Panthers Lock Up Two FAs. Does It Mean Anything?
The Carolina Panthers have officially reached terms with LS J.J. Jansen on a new 4-year deal, and LB Jason Phillips on a 1-year deal, the team announced today.
Typically the signing of a long snapper and a backup OLB mean very little, but when we examine the moves through the lens of the off-season we start to see some interesting things take shape. Firstly we have Jansen, who at this point is entering his 4th season, this is important because it's in the 4th year of veterancy that the NFL's minimum contract balloons greatly, and typically you see long snappers at minimum salary. Around the league this spot is typically rotated and populated by rookie and backup centers to keep the cost down, however the Panthers have elected to keep the veteran, and reliable (0 bad snaps in 2011) Jansen.
This could mean that the Panthers will be looking to make a move at kicker or punter this off-season. Both Olindo Mare and Jason Baker were near the bottom of the league at their respective skill, and what better way to ease in a rookie at either position than ensuring you have a reliable long snapper to set them up for success? It's definitely something to watch.
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Then we come to Jason Philips, backup OLB and special teamer. Again, this is an easy signing to overlook or write off as insignificant, but I believe it could foreshadow a lack of attention at the OLB position in the draft. Don't get me wrong, I still think the Panthers will draft a linebacker at some point in time, but I can't help but feel like this move was made to have a safety net for Thomas Davis, and if that's the case it would lead us to believe the team has every intention of trying him again in 2012.
When healthy Davis is a dynamic, quick, hard hitting OLB and it's unlikely the Panthers could find such a player in the draft without investing a 1st round pick. This is a zero-sum risk that allows Carolina to potentially play Davis again as starting OLB, with Phillips as the backup and then address the special teams need at LB later in the draft.
Time will tell (as in all things), but when teams make moves at this time of the year it is normally when scouts are wrapping up their film evaluation of prospects. From here they move to the combine, which has little significance to team's opinions outside of the in depth physicals (as Da'Quan Bowers will tell you). I believe that these moves now could open the door for a rookie specialist, or lack of a linebacker early in the draft.
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James, I think you meant "RFA" instead of "UDFA"
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by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 8, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
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by BW Smith on Feb 8, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I literally lol'd at "DERP"
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 8, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Jason Phillips was more a MLB than OLB?
If so, could this signal them allowing Connor to walk?
"One step at a time"
Connor already said he was going to test FA
If Connor wants to leave, the Panthers will let him walk, most likely.
I think Connor can start some places, but I think Beason should be our MLB and he shouldn’t be moved to OLB like he was in 2010, which makes Connor an expensive backup.
Your Right Philipkcks, Some Team Will Pay Connor More Than The Panthers Will
Phillips was a MLB his whole career, until the Panthers moved him to WLB in desperation after injuries. I believe Phillips, Dillard, and Thomas Williams (if re-signed) will fight it out to be Beason’s 2nd or 3rd team backups.
That's not entirely accurate
He played in TCU’s insane 4-2-5 scheme where he moved from DE to ILB depending on the offensive scheme, then was an ILB at Baltimore because he’s clearly not fast enough to be a 3-4 pass rusher.
Based on what he’s been asked to do (i.e. never play in the 4-3) I don’t think we can make positional determinations of him at this time.
What about their 4-2-5 made them insane?
With the athletic TE and Slot receivers, wouldn’t that make sense?
by panthersnbraves on Feb 10, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to tell really
We used him as an OLB, but he was a backup ILB in Baltimore’s 3-4 before getting cut.
I'd rather
Pay him to shank kicks for someone else.
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We can pay him to shank kicks for someone else.
The only problem would be finding someone to kick for us at the same time.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 8, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
He isn’t performing as well as he was a couple of years ago.
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Baker was awful.
As bad as Mare was at times, Baker was worse. He was not ‘near’ the bottom of the league, he was THE bottom of the league. If I remember correctly he was 32nd in punting average, and somehow he was 37th in net average (the only 2 guys below him had something like a combined 11 punts on the season). Not to mention he takes forever to get his punts off historically, and even though they aren’t far, he still doesn’t get much hang time. Also he’s tied for the active lead in punts blocked for a career.
Please dear god draft a new punter. Seriously, how many times this year did we see a 10-20 yard discrepancy from just one punt exchange? And that stuff makes a big ass difference.
We should have cut Baker last year and signed a stud Punter instead of letting Kasay walk and picking up Mare. Punters can kick off too
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I could see the FO resigning most, if not all of our 'patch up' LB Corps, instead of using an early pick on an OLB.
As for Baker, I like the guy, but he’s probably gone before next year. However, people tend to forget that we had a horrific ST unit last year, not helping out Baker’s stats. And, it’s unlikely that a rookie Punter will be able to outproduce Baker’s numbers.
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The coverage units don't effect the number of yards he actually punted the ball.
He was 26th in the NFL with 2,819 yards, and nobody below him on the list had more than 58 punts, he had 66. He was 30th in yards per attempt.
No matter how you want to cut it, he was really bad this year. If nothing else we can replicate those stats for a million or so less.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 8, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Guess I should have waited on my TD comment...
But that was before this was posted so i will just add to what I said earlier. They should not sign TD. He is the same situation that Morgan was in years ago (albeit Morgan’s situation was worse). There is no way we will get a full season from him, and I would bet that even 4 games would be incredible feat. Time to move on no matter how much we like him.
by TXPanther on Feb 8, 2012 7:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
While that's a valid opinion
Unless we are doctors I don’t think any of us are qualified to make that determination. If anyone has the will and desire TD has I think you have to give him a shot to make it back. All be it with a reduced salary and heavily incentive laden contract and certainly having a plan B and C. The injury last year wasn’t like the back pedal injury from the year before, he was leg whipped right on the front of the knee. A healthy person could just as easily suffered that injury in a similar situation. Add to that the fact that they didn’t repair the ACL but instead replaced it with a cadaver ligament this time and at the very least he should get a shot to see where he is. When healthy the combination of Beason, Davis and Anderson is one of the if not the best 4-3 LB core in football. If nothing else at a reduced rate a healthy Davis has tremendous value in passing situations both as a pass rusher and in coverage against the Jimmy Grahms of the world.
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I did not know about the cadaver ligament,
so hopefully it can help. The contract will definitely be in the teams favor and not bringing him back could hurt moral. I will pull for him whatever the situation is and I hope I am wrong about his legs not having another full season in them.
by TXPanther on Feb 8, 2012 9:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I had the ...
cadaver ligament ACL reconstruction on 11/18/10 and I was jogging by mid January and running full speed by early march of 2011. I spoke with several others during physical therapy that had different types of ACL procedures. I had alot less pain and a much faster recovery time then any of them did. IMO this is due to the cadaver ligament replacement instead of one of the other types. According to my doctor it doesn’t matter how well the surgery and recovery goes, the ligament itself will only ever be about 75% to 85% as strong as the original. The smartest way for Davis to keep his knee healthy is to wear a brace whenever he steps onto a football field.
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I agree.
I’ve had mine longer than you but I have had both the reconstruction (right knee) and the replacement (left knee) and the replacement was far easier to recover from. No I’m not a klutz, one is from an ice hockey injury the other was a motorcycle accident. It’s true that you will never be 100% but there are things you can do to protect yourself such as wear a brace as well as strengthening the surrounding muscles to reduce the load as much as possible. I would think that the Dr. that did the surgery would have told him if it was unlikely he would be able to make a successful comeback. The fact remains though he will forever be one bad hit away from another injury. I suppose the same thing can be said for every player though.
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It's crazy that so many of us have had torn ACLs...
I tore one in each knee playing basketball- one in 2004 and one in 2006. The second time around a cadaver tendon was used and the recovery was waaaay better. Davis really has no choice because his platellar tendon had already been used before. Like you said though, the problem is that there is no full proof way of even the cadaver tendon not tearing again, plus the constant surgeries may have weakened his legs overall. I hope the best for him, but I am not optimistic.
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by carolinapillpusher on Feb 9, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
How many other people do this...
When we lose a player (whether good or not), you follow him to a different team and see how he does… such as King, Rosario, Diggs, and obviously, Mr. Kasay… I’ve done this, and actually start to learn more about the other teams. It’s a good way to build up broader knowledge of the league :P
better get 'em now!
I do to an extent
I am addicted to football though so I tend to keep up with most of the league anyway. Do you play fantasy? That tends to have the same effect.
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Fantasy football is evil.
Under no other circumstance will a grown man weep in sorrow because the 2nd string RB on his least favorite team only rushed for 1 touchdown instead of 2.
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by BW Smith on Feb 8, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Under no circumstances
Will or Should a grown man weep in sorrow? I think they will but doubt they should.
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fantasy football is to me is what boy doggy on girl doggy is to an infant. doesn’t compute.
i’ll play CSR FF next year again, though. pretty sure i started 0-6 this last season
better get 'em now!
by scatterbrain on Feb 8, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
that analogy is...umm...is weird, yet effective
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hh, yes. they make terrific pair. they went together like lamb and tuna fish.
lamb and tuna fish?
maybe you like spaghetti and meatball? you more comfortable with that analogy?
better get 'em now!
by scatterbrain on Feb 9, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, considering we're in America. I mean, if you don't like spaghetti and meatballs, why don't you get the hell out?
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 9, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
About time
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 9, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 10, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
y u no like spaghetti and meatballs

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What is the deal with this potato head guy?
I’ve seen it on several things but I just don’t get it. Is it like those damn “I CAN HAZ CHEEZBURGER” cats or something?
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Yeah, pretty much.
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I consider myself pretty well plugged in to pop culture.........
But I keep missing shit. Guess I need to lay off the Mary Jane.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 10, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Humble opinion
Drop baker- cost is not worth the proformamce.
Drop Connor- while he is a dependable backup he’s not gonna start here
Keep Mare- he sucks, I hate him, but might as well keep him then owe him money. I say just go for it on 4th and 35+ lol. Joking….sorta.
Keep T.D- I think someone above said we aren’t doctors to judge whether he can play or not. While that statement might be true we can’t be fools either and I do not believe Davis will finish next season. With that said I still believe we should keep him and re-structure his contract and save some money. If a miracle happens and he fully recovers to the Davis of old we are paying peanuts for him if not we are paying peanuts for him.
by DoubleT-Stewart on Feb 8, 2012 10:57 PM EST reply actions
i hope you're right about punter/kicker and wrong bout lb
that’s all. i hope we get a talent infusion at linebacker, not that thomas davis isn’t one of my favorite people living today. if burfict is there at second pick (i’d consider him in first) it’s a lock. also, my boy ronnell lewis. he seems like td to me.
I'm a day late to this party.
But I have to chime in on this statement about long snappers…
and typically you see long snappers at minimum salary. Around the league this spot is typically rotated and populated by rookie and backup centers to keep the cost down
I don’t know about all 32 teams, but most of the decent ones have long snappers with at least 4-5 seasons under their belt. Many have been in the league for 7-8 years. These guys usually make at least twice the league minimum. Tight end is a popular conversion position for long snappers and they tend to have quite long careers in the NFL. In my opinion, it is one of the least appreciated positions on the roster.
I like the resigning of Jansen a lot. I’m indifferent about Phillips. I hate Mare.
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I would like to see them resign Senn
Maybe they are working on a more complex contract for him, maybe he hasn’t accepted the offer, or maybe they are targeting a LB with their first two picks. If they sign Phillips short term and we hear nothing about Senn or Conner, I think we will pick a LB like Kuch or Birfect in the draft.
by Panthster on Feb 9, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
ikr
i mean, jordan senn started for us. it wasn’t tough to contribute, considering the d-line oleyed running backs until neblett and shirley emerged.
Where these fa's Shockey and Senn
no? I like the long snapper singing but not phillips as of yet
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 9, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions
Jansen's Contract Detailes, From Pat Yasinskas
Here are the details of J. J. Jansen’s new contract (from Pat Yasinskas), it’s for 4 years, and averages $901,250 per year, which includes a $500,000 signing bonus. Here is how the contract breaks down:
Year – Base Salary – Cap Number
2012 – $615,000 – $865,000
2013 – $715,000 – $865,000
2014 – $830,000 – $980,000
2015 – $845,000 – $995,000
Each year also contains a $25,000 off season workout bonus.
www.espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/31205/j-j-jansens-contract-details
I'd call that a fair contract for a very reliable LS.
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