Lessons to be learnt from the Giants' Superbowl Victory
The next move for the Carolina Panthers will be to break out of the NFC South division and secure a playoff birth, but that doesn't mean we don't need to be looking further also. When you look at the New York Giants and the Carolina Panthers in 2011 there aren't too many differences. Both had excellent quarterbacks, good running games, mediocre secondaries and stout offensive lines, but there were a few key areas that allowed the Giants to make a run from 6-6 to Superbowl champs, while the Panthers watched from home at 6-10. Today I'm looking at those key areas and we'll see what Marty Hurney and Ron Rivera need to do if the Panthers want to become NFL champions sooner, rather than later.
Phase One- Improve the pass rush
ESPN and co. have sold football fans on a cult of skill players. They're the players who get all the limelight, feature time and focus. It's gotten to the point where to many football is little more than quarterbacks and wide receivers, and with the NFL's soft dealings with offense it's easy to see why. However, next to having a good QB of your own rushing the passer is the highest priority a team can have, and it's something the Carolina Panthers did terribly in 2011.
The Panthers were ranked 25th in the NFL in team sacks with just 31 last season. This is coupled with just 19 from the team's top four defensive ends; the Giants' totaled 34 from their DEs. There are times a good pass rush transcends throwing off a QB's rhythm and can take over a game, we saw this numerous times last season. If Carolina can find a way to have Cam take over on offense, and a pass rush take over on defense then we will be deep into the playoffs.
More after the jump
Phase Two- Get receivers who demand attention
We have Steve Smith, they have Victor Cruz... but it's about the players around them that define how a passing game can be successful. Quietly the New York Giants have arguably the best receiving corps in the NFL due to all three players being legitimate threats, and all three are reliable. We saw this in the Superbowl when the Giants' passing game was varied and complex- New England elected to double team Victor Cruz, so Eli was able to get the ball to Nicks, then the Pats blanketed both Cruz and Nicks, that's when Manningham was able to get his catches.
As it stands the receiving corps of the Carolina Panthers are lacking, regardless how much faith the fan base has. Towards the end of the season we saw teams blanket Steve Smith and effectively take him out of games at times, and while Brandon LaFell had flashes, he wasn't consistent enough for the entire passing offense to be able to lean on him while Smith was hung out to dry. This was a skill we saw from Hakeem Nicks on Sunday, and I'm not sure LaFell has it. We also have David Gettis returning from injury, but he's a wildcard at this point until we really get to see him run routes again.
Whether it comes through the draft, or from within, the Panthers will need to find a way to have three reliable WRs in 2012. It's all well and good to bunch the TEs in this, but I think they need to remain a wildcard here instead of being lumped in with the WRs.
Phase three- Improve special teams
This is the hardest phase to improve because there are so many needs. Lets just go down the list, shall we?
- Punting: Baker averaged 42.7 yards per punt, Weatherford averaged 45.7. Baker had just 19 inside 20 yards, Weatherford had 25.
- Kick return coverage: New York allowed 22.9 yards per return, Carolina allowed 27.0... those yards add up.
These were the two greatest deficits, but we still trailed the Giants in punt returning and kick returning also. Thankfully some issues will be solved with more guys moving back to special teams who were injected into starting lineups, but overall the Panthers need to improve. Olindo Mare has rightfully become a whipping boy, but Jason Baker was actually worse at his position- finishing 30th in average yards and 25th in punts inside the 20. More disturbing was Baker being 37th in average net punt yards, which shows the Panthers were bad at stopping punt returns, but also that Baker's directional punting left a lot to be desired.
Final thoughts
The road to becoming a team like the Giants will be a long one, but they showed this season that the Superbowl was attainable without a stellar secondary or great linebackers. Their pass rush, receivers and special teams were enough to keep them in games, while Eli Manning was enough to close these games out- we need to get to the same spot.
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Couldn't agree more regarding the pass rush and WRs
I believe ST will be better this year by default, assuming we can get — and stay reasonably healthy. Churn on STs like we had this year is usually a recipe for futility.
Don't forget to actually draft well, missing on
2nd rounders has to stop. Mario M will be a free agent after this year, maybe a nice pick up? Even though he can frustrate the heck out if everyone with the easily drops. The giants secondary is mediocre is due to Terrell T being lost in the preseason. Prince A missing time along adjusting to the speed of the game. A nice rotation at both the dend and Dt would be very nice.
by adam carter on Feb 6, 2012 7:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Mario W. is also a free agent, as is Cliff Avril. If we don't address the pass rush in the draft, there are other options...
then again, maybe we couldn’t generate pressure because we had a MASH LB Corps and two rookies at DT. Just getting our guys back coupled with experience on the line could be all that’s needed to bring Jim Johnson-style pressure.
The story of Cruz is a common one. Relegated to the practice squad, he showed his stuff when he got the chance. Do we have such a talent waiting in the wings — Kealoha Pilares just may be. Optimistically, Gettis comes back healthy and hungry and suddenly we’ve got a WR Corps to be feared. Add a little Rainey to the mix = unstoppable force.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Avril
I dont know about him I think he is this years version of Ray Edwards looked good because of the company he keeps on the d line.
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 6, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not to be a party pooper, but where the heck are we going to find the cap space
to sign someone like M. Williams or Cliff Avril?
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Agree
I bet Williams is gonna get Peppers money a team in a 4-3 scheme will bring the checkbook for sure look for an average salary of around 17 million a year for this guy.
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 6, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Texas
would be foolish to let him walk. I don’t care if he doesn’t fit the system.
He is one of the best defensive players in the league.
by Clausenstwin on Feb 6, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
They just had a top ranked defense this year without him for most of it
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 7, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
For sure
A second rounder should be an immediate starter somewhere not a sorry undersized de, a big slow weak wideout, traded so we can take a guy we hope to turn into a wr someday, or even though this didnt seem like a terrible idea at the time to me but turned out bad a Clausen.
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 6, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
We have a great rotation of DE's..
Cj, hardy, Keiser, applewhite all throughly impressed me. But not having the cloggers in the middle hurts, as did our injuries at LB. With a more aggressive scheme, I see no reason to go early on a DE, unless it’s Ingram who can play 3 positions
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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Feb 6, 2012 7:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Other Than CJ & Maybe Hardy, Kieser Is A Good Situational Pass Rushing Backup, But Applewhite Is A Free Agent
The chief problem is no pass rush from the inside, and the only 2 DT’s with a good pass rush are combo DT/DE’s Coples and Crick, who may not have the good speed to be elite outside pass rushers at DE.
by PanthersRoar on Feb 6, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I'm howling for Michael Brockers.
I’d also be delighted to see third and short with Brockers and Kearse in the middle of the D-Line. “B-K Grill” !!
David Gettis is our WR answer, unless we go for Alshon. Zero reason to get a non #1 potential WR in the draft
We have Gettis, lafell, pilares, etc etc all good secondary receiver options (Gettis has #1 potential but we need to see how he recovers)
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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Feb 6, 2012 8:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gettis
Is still very much a wildcard. Who knows if he will even be able to keep healthy? I’d love to think the answer was already on the team but how many times are we going to just stick w what we have and hope for the best? Colbert looked great as a rookie too. I’m down for bringing in a game changing wr. If Gettis flourishes awesome we’ll have three.
by DoubleT-Dlo on Feb 6, 2012 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Acl tears were a common thing last year early doesnt mean he is injury prone
lets not make him Thomas Davis just yet.
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 6, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't saying that.
Just saying let’s not put all our eggs in one basket
by DoubleT-Dlo on Feb 7, 2012 7:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do not understand why everyone thinks Ashlon Jefferies is any good
He is Dwayne Jarrett 1.1, his stand out year was his sophomore, where he played against primarily the weakest defenses that conference had seen in a while. This year, under a slightly harder schedule, he was little to be found outside of those tight matchups against ECU, Citadel, or heaven forbid whatever other D1-AA team they played.
The boy has great hands, I’ll give him that. But he has no explosiveness, does not block down field at all, and only performed well when one on one with no safety help. If we draft him, all the team is doing is setting itself up for another Jarrett type receiver.
Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano
They only played one D1-AA team. Their other OOC games were East Carolina, Clemson, and Navy.
Also, take a look at USC’s quarterback situation from last year. Garcia couldn’t stop drinking long enough to play the position, and Connor Shaw is a run-first spread option QB.
When you’re 6’4" with great hands and decent speed, you will succeed in the NFL.
Oh, and Alshon does block downfield. Marcus Lattimore (one of the three best RB’s in the nation, if not the best) would attest to that.
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My issue is that the only teams he burned this year was ECU & Clemson (from my knowledge)
And besides the Alabama game last year, he and Quinton Couples have had exactly the same career. Does really good against teams of weaker or lesser competition, but only has one break out game over a career, which then everyone claims to be the reason why you should select him. He was almost non-existent against Navy, three years straight of average play against one of the worst defenses in the country vs Arkansas, etc etc. As for the QB play, that does affect how well a receiver is, but it still appeared as he was hot dogging it.
I’m just not enamored by Ashlon. I don’t see a play maker who does his best to open up the field, or tries on every play. Wide Reciever is the hardest position to predict for the NFL, as college talent does not translate over from their as easily. Too often these kids get paid, do one thing right, and then never attempt more than that. Players like Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Deon Branch, Jerry Rice, etc. have to mined from the draft, have to be found and are special one of time players. Grabbing a WR every other year in the top of the draft just makes you the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Oakland Raiders. You could be a good team, but you completely ignore your most glaring weakness due to how James says above:
ESPN and co. have sold football fans on a cult of skill players. They’re the players who get all the limelight, feature time and focus. It’s gotten to the point where to many football is little more than quarterbacks and wide receivers, and with the NFL’s soft dealings with offense it’s easy to see why. The Panthers have huge holes on their D Line, and will have some coming soon on the O line as Gross is only getting older, and Otah has not gotten better. Waste a pick now on a (in my opinion) sub-par WR, and we’ll be just back here next year in the same place, with many clamoring for the next great Savior at the skill positions and me beating the same dead horse of the need for lineman to protect those prima-dona’s.
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Before I rebut, please note that I'm against drafting Alshon.
I don’t want to draft him because I don’t think we need a WR.
Now, to your response:
The reason Alshon didn’t burn Navy is because they run the triple option, and the game plan was ball control to keep their offense off the field because Carolina couldn’t stop the triple option (most teams can’t because so few run it anymore). Alshon also had a good game against Nebraska before he was ejected (which was a BS move by the official), and he had a few decent games despite the horrid QB situation.
The team that drafts Alshon will get a big receiver with dynamic hands and average to slightly above average speed. He’s the perfect target for the end zone corner fade, and he would be a QB’s best friend on goal-to-go situations. If we needed a WR more than a CB/DT, then I’d be all for drafting him. But as it stands we have much bigger fish to fry than getting another WR in the 1st round.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I agree James
pass rush should be the number one priority. I hated seeing other teams qbs have all day to throw on us. I wish we had the cap room to bring my man Mario Williams back home…. :/
Like grammar, right James?
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Yes the giants have a great group of des and we fall short of that
but there are areas we are very strong also that they arent like te and runningback no team has it all but gets enough from all if you evaluate the Pats from top to bottom they dont appear to be a super bowl team imo.
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 6, 2012 9:08 PM EST reply actions
Mathis is also a free agent
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 6, 2012 9:08 PM EST reply actions
Too old... too small
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One can never have too many pass rushers, unless one of the elite players somehow falls
to us in the draft I will shocked if we don’t draft d-line talent.
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He may have two rings
But I still think Eli is a little bitch. At least we have a QB who has no problem with the team that drafted him.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 6, 2012 9:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
well it certainly paid off for him
rivers probably could’ve won a superbowl with the giants in 07
by Atlantapanther on Feb 6, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
honestly
The biggest losers in that whole deal have been the chargers, I mean Eli and Brees have both won SBs with about the same talent around them as Rivers and he plays in a division that he has almost won by default.
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by bleed_in_blue on Feb 6, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
That deal turned the Chargers from bottom feeders to perennial contenders. People forget that the Chargers had a huge problem with the rift between GM and HC back when Marty Schottenheimer was the head coach. Norv Turner inherited one of the best teams in the league and hasn’t taken it anywhere.
Between 2004 and 2009, they won their division 5 times. If it weren’t for a complete an total special teams collapse last year, they would have won the division then too. They were in the top 10 in both defense and offense, but their special teams couldn’t help but to turn the ball over. And this year, they still finished tied for first place in their division. Oh… and since 2004, they haven’t had a losing record, one of only 3 teams in the league to pull that off.
Before 2004, the Chargers made the playoffs just 3 times in the 20 years between 1983 and 2003 (92, 94, 95).
The Chargers are still somewhat overated, and their window is starting to close...
Though they won four straight division titles, they have been favorites to make the Super Bowl several times in the last few seasons and have failed to live up to the expectations. The other teams in their division have been pitiful the last few years, and they have rarely even had .500 records. I think they may have missed their chance. Gates is aging, Tomlison and Sproles are gone, and it always seems uncertain if thier WRs will stay. Plus the other teams in their divison are starting to improve and have won the division the last two years.
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by carolinapillpusher on Feb 7, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Right...
We are now 8 years removed from the 2004 draft trade. My argument was that the trade catapulted the Chargers into a power house and that Norv Turner has not been able to deliver in recent season.
The trade put the Chargers in a position to succeed. That doesn’t mean they took command of that position. (Also those 3 other teams that have not had a losing season since 2004… Those are the only other two teams that have been to the Super Bowl besides the Colts: New England and Pittsburgh.)
I think the Chargers are doing just fine. They had injuries this year across their entire offense and Rivers’s play suffered.
Its not about whether Rivers would have won a SB or not
I’m a firm believer that if you are talented enough to play any professional sport, you need to play for the team that pucks you. Rookies shouldn’t be able to dictate where they want to play.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 7, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
James....is ......Right on the Money.....
100% Accurate…. and I agree on everything James itemized….
Exactly…..The right pill the Doctor ordered for the Panthers….
I call this THE THREE PHASES TO SUCCESS…..plain and simple
The fact is the Giants have proven that this FORMULA works TWICE….
I hope the panther decision makers can read this article and do the recommendations listed…..
Good write up James…..
Good article...
I would also include the phase of turnover reduction into this. It goes without saying but if you reduce the amount of turnovers it would increase the scoring opportunities. We know that the offense can move the ball, without turnovers they would be practically unstoppable. At the same time it would greatly assist our subpar defense.
The most important thing was left out...
The Pats lost because they did not get Chad Ochocinco the ball!!!
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-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Feb 7, 2012 8:48 AM EST reply actions
defence kills
I was happy to see a team with such a strong defence win the super bowl. The packers, saints and patriots have turned this league into a passing, unimaginative series of shootouts. The giants victory is a morale victory for how football is meant to be played. Its a team game and the giants have been excellent on offence, defence and special teams. That punt was a thing of beauty.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 7, 2012 9:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Playoff... birth...?
I assume the writer meant ‘berth’.
Here’s my take on the Panthers next season.
Step 1: Get back the players they lost to injury. Jeff Otah instantly makes the line good to great again (and it wasn’t too shabby anyhow). Question is if he can ever stay healthy a full season. Getting Ron Edwards and Jon Beason back should instantly make the defense better.
Step 2: Get another big offensive weapon in free agency. Yes. The defense was the worse unit. But y’know… defense doesn’t get you to the playoffs anymore. New England went all the way to the SB with the worst defense. Green Bay and New Orleans had horrible defenses, and the Giants were in the lower third of the league. Get the best non-diva receiver available as a free agent. I would actually go for Robert Meacham if he’s not resigned by New Orleans, but Mario Manningham or Wes Welker would be good too.
Step 3: Add defensive help in the draft. And if there’s a guy you want, jump up to get him. If you think Morris Claiborne will be a great pro, then go get him. But make sure he will be. Don’t pull another Armanti Edwards move… Alternatively, go get Justin Blackmon if you have the firepower to do so in the draft room (I don’t think they do). Adding Blackmon would make the offense truly scary, and as I mentioned.. the defense probably gets better just by getting injured players back, and offense is what gets you to the playoffs now.
I know that people will argue that “defense wins championships” and while the Giants defense was better than the Patriots’ defense, it still wasn’t a great (or even good) defense most of the season. They may also point out that many of Carolina’s games were lost after Carolina had a lead, and therefore it was the defense’s fault. I have a different view. Early in the season, the coaching staff and Cam Newton didn’t know how to “go for the jugular”. They would come out strong, open up a lead, go into halftime and then suddenly they looked conservative as if playing not to lose. Either they didn’t trust Newton early in the year, or something else, because it would happen like clockwork. Innovative, daring offense in the first half. Get the lead. Then go conservative. In today’s NFL you have to keep piling on the points unless you have a truly dominant defense. By the end of the season it looked like they’d figured that out. So my preference is for them to make SURE the offense is as good as you can make it for Cam Newton, and then spruce up the defense.
My thoughts...
Pass rush: Agreed, and wholeheartedly so. I still feel that it isn’t entirely the fault of the DEs, though — we never enjoyed any real success when it came to pressure up the middle, so it’s little wonder Johnson, Hardy and the rest had so much trouble trying to get pressure on the QB. I still don’t feel comfortable with our defensive tackle situation, but I’m at a loss for what to do there. I’d say look at free agency, but I don’t know if anyone worthy is available, let alone have an idea of what we’re looking at in terms of cap space for once free agency begins.
Get receivers who demand attention: I’m torn here. The fan-boy in me wants to see the talent we have show something that will make them truly a complimentary WR #2 to Smitty (if not find a potential replacement in-house for when Smitty does retire). The practical side, however, admits that we don’t have that luxury nearly as much as we’d like. Even having the Shockey/Olsen TE tandem didn’t really help Smitty much, nor did J-Stew’s receiving, so I can agree that we need a WR to be that true #2 (or better yet, a #2 who can graduate to #1 when Smitty hangs up his cleats). As with DT, though, I don’t know that we can do much of anything here in free agency.
Improve special teams: This, I’ve been preaching for the last few weeks. If there’s any real criticism I have of Rivera’s first year as HC, it was how much we lost from our special teams in preseason cuts. That, plus our abysmal injury luck, really killed us this season, and it was only towards the end of the season that the second- and third-string guys who suddenly found themselves on the field (when they weren’t pulling double-duty on defense) finally seemed to gel together. If all else fails, we need to find some special teams specialists (either through the later rounds of the draft or some inexpensive acquisitions via free agency) to bolster things, and at least give AE one last chance on punt returns to either really wow us, or finally put an end to the AE experiment (even though I do want to see him compete for #3 QB, but that’s me wanting to see the pick be worth at least a little something before we seriously consider parting ways with him).
Final thoughts: Just at a glance, we need help at a number of positions. Defensive tackle, offensive line (on the Otah side, because I don’t have faith that Otah can actually make it all the way through a season without injuring himself yet again, and I definitely lack faith in Bell right now), secondary (mostly safety, if only to give Godfrey and Martin some competition for their jobs, because I actually think CB is pretty well-covered), a little LB help (especially if we lose Connor, and some effort should go into trying to keep Senn on the roster), and a #2 WR. I don’t feel like we can meet all those needs this draft and free agency, much as I wish we could, but every little bit will help.

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