Which QB would you want on your team today? Peyton Manning or Eli Manning?
by Revshawn on Feb 6, 2012 11:00 AM EST
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PrintLet me provide you a statistic that may just blow your mind upon you hearing it. Eli Manning and the New York Giants finished 32nd in the league in rushing. That’s right. They finished dead last. And now they’re Super Bowl Champions. For all of those people out there that want to claim Eli Manning as an "Above Average" QB that lives in the shadow of his older brother and rides on the back of an elite team, your argument is pretty much done now that Eli has brought home his 2nd Lombardi Trophy. The fact they’ve both been against the hated New England Cheats is just a little bonus credit for us Panther fans.
The Giants offense has lived and died on the back of Eli Manning this year. And he has brought them results. The question is no longer "Would Eli Manning have his job if it wasn’t for his last name." But rather, "Which one do you want quarterbacking your team in the Super Bowl?"
Career statistics and more after the Jump!
It’s a hard question to ask! After all, Peyton Manning has at times been held back by his team. He was always ‘blessed’ by bad defense after bad defense every single year and the Colts front-office has taken advantage of it by not trying as hard to get pieces around on the defense to help build them up. They keep fiddling around with this ‘undersized’ defensive line scheme and then they wonder why they get pushed around in the running game. They’ve taken some risky picks in the draft because it doesn’t matter as much if they get them wrong. It’s Peyton friggen Manning! He’ll get you to the playoffs even if you had pre-schoolers playing with him.
Sure, Eli has more trophies now, but it’s not a farfetched idea to wonder how Peyton would have done if he was with the Packers, the Bears, or another elite team that could have really used him this past decade. Especially considering what we saw when Peyton Manning wasn’t part of the main lineup this year. On the other hand, this can no way discount Eli’s achievements and the fact that he has now won one more Super Bowl Trophy than his brother. At the end of the day, you’ve got to get the job done. Eli Manning has gotten the job done twice now, truly a remarkable thing to show off against his older brother!
Now for the Career Statistics!
Peyton Manning: 15 year career and a 147-69 record as starter – 11 trips to the playoffs for a 9-10 record and 1 SB Trophy – 64.9 percentage of his 7210 passes completed for 54828 yards and 399 touchdowns with 198 interceptions. Overall QB Rating? 94.5 More stats here.
Eli Manning: 8 year career and a 69-50 record as starter – 5 trips to the playoffs for a 8-3 record and two SB trophies – 58.4 percentage of his 3941 passes completed for 27579 yards and 185 touchdowns with 129 interceptions. Overall QB Rating? 82.1 More Stats here.
And now for a poll! Who would you rather have in the Super Bowl? Eli Manning or Peyton Manning?
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this past season has bolstered both camp's arguments..
being in a situation where peyton is nearing the end of his career, i’ll take eli.
in a fictitious world where we’re drafting now, and i have to choose one or the other as rookies, i choose peyton everyday and twice on sundays.
Let me guess
Ron paul will win this online poll, but lose when the actual votes are counted.
by chatoka on Feb 6, 2012 11:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
but how can we vote for him...
if all that happens when we show up is we get out feet stomped on?
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Good article Revshawn
Fun read. But how is this bumped to front page? Not one thing panther related in it besides the Cam option in the post.
"How come when you wake up from being blacked out drunk you've never done anything productive? You're never like dude, I think I built a shed last night. I don't know if I'm ready for a shed right now. This shed is ruining my life!"
by Imisshooooooooov on Feb 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions
kinda lied it being on the front page..
it’s SB related, which just happened. if we stick to just panther news this time of year, they risk having nothing but more brockers game tape everywhere.
by Lost_terrapin on Feb 6, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah the mods have done a poor job of FPing things lately..
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
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you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Feb 6, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I mean don't get me wrong it was a fun read
But the nerds got their Skankrim (or whatever the hell it’s called) post taken down cause some dude had a hissy fit that it was off topic. I want panthers news on the front page and that is all. Maybe it’s just me
"How come when you wake up from being blacked out drunk you've never done anything productive? You're never like dude, I think I built a shed last night. I don't know if I'm ready for a shed right now. This shed is ruining my life!"
by Imisshooooooooov on Feb 6, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Uhhh, there isn’t much going on at all right now. Season is over, no FA for another month, no Draft for another two. Would you rather the editors leave the same story up for 3 or more weeks? These are time wasters for a reason.
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Well see now that's just not true and a little bit lazy
We could be running video and draft profiles on all of our possible picks. Great DeCastro article was written a few days ago. We could have brockers vs still debates all kinds of stuff
"How come when you wake up from being blacked out drunk you've never done anything productive? You're never like dude, I think I built a shed last night. I don't know if I'm ready for a shed right now. This shed is ruining my life!"
by Imisshooooooooov on Feb 6, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
You do realize we have lives right?
Also, none of us get a paycheck for being here. We do this in our free time, at no cost to you, and at no profit for us. I think the least everyone could do is stop bitching and moaning about the job we do (or don’t do) here, and appreciate what we provide. Or, if they can’t stop bitching and complaining and stop and appreciate that they have a constant source of Panthers information from a Panthers fans’ point of view, they can just GTFO.
This is why I don’t write as much as I’d like, because most of the time when something is written someone bitches and moans about it. “This shouldn’t be on the front page. That should be on the front page. Blah Blah Blah.” It’s shit like this that makes me not want to do anything but ban trolls and make sure members don’t verbally kill one another on threads, and most of the time I don’t even want to do that much, but I do it because I enjoy being here. But apparently that’s not good enough for everyone anymore.
So please, tell us how we can properly do our job that we don’t get paid for so YOU can be happy when you come to CSR.
(Note: this isn’t directed at you IMH…this is directed in general to anyone who bitches and moans either directly via comment or is too chicken shit to man up and keeps it to himself.)
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dont worry about it b-dub
Pretty much everyone appreciates what you, jaxon james etc do here. Anyone who doesn’t should either shut up or write an article themselves. Miketrain when was the last time you contributed something useful to the front page hmm? Haha
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 6, 2012 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
x
“It’s gonna take a lot of ass sucking to fix this one…”
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 6, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LMFAO
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And no, not these guys...
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Yeah, why’d they have to go and do that? Now you have to make the distinction…
Maybe that’s what they were going for? It might keep them relevant longer than is actually warranted?
Genius.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 6, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
The sad thing is I know why they call themselves LMFAO...
They originally were called “Sexy Dudes”, but the older one’s mom (they’re father and son, btw) told them that every time they called themselves sexy dudes she laughed her friggin ass off because they were so dumb. So, they changed it to LMFAO.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I wish you wouldn't berate me on my dues...
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The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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I see my comment has ruffled some feathers with the mods and the brownnosers
Let me clear it up. I said a great DeCastro article was written a few days ago. I didn’t write this article but it was a good read and certainly FP worthy. I also have seen you and James both say you like criticism as long as it helps the site. Now you are both acting like Mike and I have ruined the vibe here and the asskissers who blindly follow are eating it up. There was no “bitching for carrots” in my post just a few ideas for the people who have their names listed under the writers section at the bottom. My name isn’t down there. As far as the we don’t get paid then you guys need better agents because someone is getting paid by these ads I have to block. I see my point was not taken well so I’ll leave it alone but my post was more about stuff we could be seeing instead on the FP. My apologies for coming to a panthers blog for panthers news.
"How come when you wake up from being blacked out drunk you've never done anything productive? You're never like dude, I think I built a shed last night. I don't know if I'm ready for a shed right now. This shed is ruining my life!"
by Imisshooooooooov on Feb 6, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're going the wrong direction here.
…As far as retractions/amendments go.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 6, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I stand by my statement
Was not meant to be a retraction. I’ve said many times I appreciate what the folks at CSR do, I’m not going to repeat it over and over again in hopes to get people I’ll never meet to like me.
"How come when you wake up from being blacked out drunk you've never done anything productive? You're never like dude, I think I built a shed last night. I don't know if I'm ready for a shed right now. This shed is ruining my life!"
by Imisshooooooooov on Feb 6, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure you have enough friends as it is.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 6, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Zing
"How come when you wake up from being blacked out drunk you've never done anything productive? You're never like dude, I think I built a shed last night. I don't know if I'm ready for a shed right now. This shed is ruining my life!"
by Imisshooooooooov on Feb 6, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Good, because your effort would be a waste. I don't like anyone.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
[teary eyes]
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
We have a lot of time between now and the draft to go over draft profiles and such. That will all come in due time. We are all rather spoiled by the work James, Jaxon, BW, etc., do here on CSR, otherwise stories like this would not be complained about because they would be the standard.
I think we all need to take a breath here and back off from this. This is typically one of the slowest months of the year for the NFL, as such, news is going to be at a premium. So these kinds of stories will make the front page for us to spend out time discussing. I wouldn’t worry about draft profiles, because like I said, that will come in time.
I wouldn’t fret over stories like this popping up. Beats having a bunch of editors leaving up a story from two weeks ago when the team was still playing. I’m more than happy to discuss stories like this.
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ruffled feathers requires people to actually give a shit about what you are saying
Also whose brown-noseing? All I said was either write an article or shut up. Erl puts a picture of smithers up. Oh wait… Are the minnions back?? Gotta love those minnions.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 6, 2012 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Listen. It's the beginning of the off-season. We're entering the depressing time of year where we aren't going to have crap to write about or talk about for months.
If you want to take time out of your day to make a blog and write it exclusively about the Panthers, have at it. But the bottom line is that whether you like it or not, there is not going to be anything to talk about for months. People move on and find other things to interest them. One of the greatest challenges of operating a NFL blog is doing it when the NFL isn’t in season. You can only talk about Free Agency and the Draft so much before it becomes an idle and over-discussed topic.
As we start doing some of the player-related articles on here later you’ll get your Panthers stuff. But like BW said, we don’t get paid for this. We write for recreation and for the fact that we enjoy it. So if I’m enjoying Eli Manning beating the snot out of Tom Brady, a Quarterback all Panthers fan should hate for cheating in his Super Bowl against the Panthers and I want to open write an article about it discussing whether or not Eli is better than his brother on the morning after his Super Bowl victory, I should be able to do it.
We’re also a football blog here. We had an open thread with the Super Bowl and the Panthers weren’t playing in it. Should we shut down all open threads where the Panthers aren’t playing to please you? And occasionally we write informative threads on football and why certain rules may or may not hurt the game. The tuck rule, rules ‘protecting NFL wideouts.’ That has nothing to do about the Panthers either though other people may enjoy reading about it. Should we stop that too?
I wrote a fun article that I thought would provoke discussion on whether or not Eli Manning is now better than his brother on the morning after the Super Bowl. You could argue that instead of criticizing what’s on the blog. It’s a long off-season. You’re going to have to put up with the occasional deviation from the norm when we run out of things to talk about. It’s going to happen sooner or later anyway. It is inevitable. Deal with it.
For everyone else, I hope you enjoy the post! I’ll have more Panther-related stuff out later. I’m coming out of my hermit status and shall be writing more often.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
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by Revshawn on Feb 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
This should be green'd
And personally, I just like new articles and the discussion, the actual content of the article really doesn’t matter. I enjoy all of it.
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
I still stand by my thoughts as well.
If you don’t like the content of the front page, then get on your computer and write something you feel is worth of being on the front page.
Either that, or shut up about it and move on.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Especially now that its the offseason
Most of the stuff will be turning a mole hill into a mountain. A random quip from anyone panther related will be a full length article.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
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I mean if you guys want I'll turn this bitch into TMZ South.
I’ll start taking Cam’s comments so far out of context that everyone will be collecting money for his plane ticket out of town, if that’s what everyone wants.
Or, we can stay the course, wait a week or two, and let the draft speculation heat up on its own and allow us time to gather our thoughts on the 2011 season and our in-depth player analyses we’re all working on, and our speculations on who the Panthers will draft, and our mock-drafts for everyone to discuss.
It really doesn’t matter to me either way.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Let's go TMZS out this bitch.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 6, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
btw, I hope that didn't come off wrong
I was just meaning to allude that in the offseason there is not a lot of real solid Panther news, so I think a little off topic discussion is just fine.
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I know what you meant.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Anyone disagrees with you is either a mod or a "brownnoser"
Got it. Thanks for the update. Let us know if there are any other undesirables we should look out for.
Um. Then write that stuff.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently that's too difficult.
It’s much easier to be spoon fed, and then bitch when you get carrots instead of applesauce.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
However that is understandable, because applesauce is awesome.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I’m fantasizing about cinnamon applesauce as we speak.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 6, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
It pissed me off so much when Red Lobster took applesauce off their menu.
As a child, I would always relish going to Red Lobster because of one reason. I hated salad. And when I was a kid I would always describe my dislike for salad in vivid detail so that I would get a nice little splat of apple sauce and be happy. It became an annual joke. And looking around the restaurant, a lot of other people did something along the same lines. Apple Sauce provided a nice deviation from common norms.
One day that all changed. I went to Red Lobster and I did my usual routine. “Salad sucks! If I wanted to eat green stuff I would mow the lawn, put it in a bowl, and throw dressing on it and eat it. Do you have apple sauce?”
“We’re sorry, but Red Lobster corporate management decided to cut apple sauce from our menu.”
If I had the combined group of angry people that was there that day, I could have organized a riot and took over the town. Lots of angry letters were written that day.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
LOL
Yeah dude. F@ck salad.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
and we wonder why the western world is getting fat :)
Btw what is pulled pork?? It looks amazing, wish we bbq’d like you guys… :(. Before some smartmouth pops up I get that its pork.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 6, 2012 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's simply a technique
Depending on what school of BBQ you are from, you have either slow smoked or rotiseree’d your pork shoulder for a long period of time, leaving the meat nice and tender. From there, you simply pull it off the bone and put it on plates or sandwiches. If it requires a knife, you’re doing it wrong.
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And we all know the correct way is to smoke the pig first.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
that sounds ace... we dont slow cook things enough over here
If I ever get to america, first thing im gonna do is get me a pulled pork sandwich and a boberry biscuit.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 6, 2012 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can't do that Limey.
You have to eat a boberry with fried chicken.
Tell you what, if you ever make it to America, let us know here on CSR and we’ll get a group together and show you the true southern experience.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
rookie mistake
That sir is a plan!!
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
too true, especially if its an in ground pit. the best.....
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by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 6, 2012 5:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
whoa whoa... slow your roll...
We must remember apple salad! And what about Taco Salads? Let’s not tar all salads with the same rabbit food brush!
I can dig Taco Salad.
I only feel half like a cow if I eat that.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
It's February 6th
We have 78 days until the NFL draft, which gives us ample time to run draft profiles. This part of the year we tend to continue post-mortem on the season that was, and from the time of the draft combine onwards we focus on the upcoming draft.
Last year I think everyone was completely burnt out on the draft on this site because we started talking about it 4 months in advance, by the time we hit April 1st everyone was just talking in circles and throwing random jabs at each other because the topic had been talked to death.
The DeCastro article you allude to was very good, no doubt and it lead to great conversation. However, it still sits on the sidebar without a single rec. I don’t know how many times we have to say “If you like something, rec it” because it helps the editors identify articles that could have been lost in the shuffle. I can only speak for myself, but I was only on CSR for about 30 minutes a day over the last three weeks while I was overseas, I can assure you if I saw a featured fanpost that wasn’t on the front page with numerous recs it would be there by now.
We have posted Still video, and we’ve had Brockers video. A head to head debate pointless until the combine shakes out and we see if these guys are even close in the measurables, that starts in 16 days. At that time we will have all the draft stuff you can swallow.
Then why don't you take over, since you apparently know better than we do?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Which posts should have been added in your opinion?
I’m all for critiques that help us improve CSR but in order for us to make said improvements we need more to go on than “The mods have done a poor job”
I can't speak for him
But I would imagine it was that poorly spelled mock draft/rosterbation article that made it up a few days ago.
"How come when you wake up from being blacked out drunk you've never done anything productive? You're never like dude, I think I built a shed last night. I don't know if I'm ready for a shed right now. This shed is ruining my life!"
by Imisshooooooooov on Feb 6, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps an article on your trip to Australia and an in-depth discussion on airplane etiquette would suffice for everyone!
;)
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+1
I would actually enjoy reading that!
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
NEIN
This is a Panthers site, not a travel & leisure site.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Oh right! I forgot!
Better write more Panther articles for our esteemed great leader
Jerry Richardson!
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
I think you meant nyet… thought this was Russia.
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lol
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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LOL @ ron paul… watching his old ass throw a football. Be worse than watching tebow.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 6, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Aye! But can he throw a football 50 yards down field and hit Smitty in double coverage?
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Maybe 50 years ago. Dude used to be a hell of an athlete.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 6, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
He still is...
I would not be surprised if Ron and Paul Ryan are the two most athletic people in Congress right now (Ryan was a trainer beforehand). RP is pretty damn athletic still, especially crazy given his age…
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
Indeed
Dr. Paul is still in fantastic shape. I can’t remember his exact regimen, but it’s intense. Gary Johnson is the only man running for president that could take him up on his offer to bike race any candidate to prove his health, but that’s only because Governor Johnson was an Ironman athlete.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 7, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
The whole nerve issue aside...
Peyton is head and shoulders above Eli as a quarterback. Peyton is arguably a top-five all time QB. If I were picking between the two of them, I’d pick Peyton.
But I voted for Ron Paul.
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i put peyton as g.o.a.t. imo.
the pats made the playoffs w/o brady, indy had the worst recrd in the league w/o peyton. put peyton on any team with some talent on the defensive side and i see him winning 4+ sb’s easily.
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 6, 2012 5:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
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The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
by BW Smith on Feb 6, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
perfect b-dub!
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 6, 2012 5:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Slightly OT and this is directed at BW
Not trying to beat a dead horse into the ground BW but to further our conversation about the 12 men penalty.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7545771/the-patriots-giants-super-bowl-rematch-disappoint
If you feel like reading it, near the bottom of the article Bill Barnwell does a better job explaining how having the 12 men actually helped the Giants. He has an example of how an D has used a penalty to their advantage and if even says there is a loophole with the rule that a team could exploit
Dude, no offense, but I really don't care.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And the reason I don't care is because that play didn't decide the game.
I don’t care about the rule. I don’t care about the loophole. I don’t care if they change the rule. I just don’t care.
If New England could play defense, or if Wes Welker could catch a pass that hit him in the hands, the 8 seconds that ran off the clock wouldn’t have mattered.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
The only reason Im bringing it back up.
Is that you said and I quote “The Giants gained no advantage from have 12 men on the field” and “That there is no reason to change the rule”
Im trying to make a case why the rule needs to be changed. Im not trying to say the Patriots would have won if there wasnt 12 men cause I don’t think they would have. But Im trying to provide the point that in the future a team could easily use this loophole.
I’m not on a war path on the Patriots were screwed, but in the Super Bowl thread you disagreed with me and I was trying to have civil conversation about it.
by Curtis Perkins on Feb 6, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Fine. You're right and I'm wrong. Are you happy now?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
If you honestly don't agree with me about it then don't.
In the Super Bowl thread, I disagreed with the rule, you agreed with it. I thought we were both having a normal debate about it, both giving our own points on why or why it doesn’t need to change. I read the above article and decided to share and get your thoughts. If you honestly agree with me that’s cool and if you don’t that’s fine too.
It was never about trying to win but providing ones opinion about that certain play.
by Curtis Perkins on Feb 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I see no reason to change a rule based on what might happen. The Giants had an advantage in that the Patriots lost 8 seconds that they could have used to get closer on the last hail mary pass of the game, but those 8 seconds are not what lost the game for New England. Since that play didn’t directly influence the outcome of the game, there’s no reason to change the rule. If in the future a team uses the loophole to win the Super Bowl, then sure, change it…but as it stands now there’s no need to tinker with the rule book on a “what might have happened.”
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
longtime lurker and terrible contributor to online social networks reporting in.
Felt compelled to jump in on this discussion. This place is awesome, the mods are phenomenal, the users are (for the most part) great. Without thinking I find myself typing in catscratchreader into my search bar out of habit because the site is the best source of panthers talk.
But BW I think you might be a little moody today, man. Curtis is just trying to have a debate about a rule, something that you both seemed to have varying views on. He provided an interesting read where someone else provides a viewpoint on the ruling. From a game design perspective Curtis is right on the money, this is an incredibly exploitable tactic seeing as it does nothing but reward the defense in a scenario like we saw yesterday.
So to remove the context of whether or not the super bowl was won or not because of the decision. From a purely game balance discussion, its an interesting debate and it’s kinda lame you resorted to “Fine. You’re right and I’m wrong. Are you happy now?”
You're certainly entitled to your opinion re: my lameness.
I’m just really tired of talking about 8 seconds that had no bearing on the outcome of a Super Bowl that didn’t involve the Panthers. The horse has been beaten to death and is now a rotting corpse. I think it’s just time to move on to other things.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
C'mon, there are plenty of great uses for a dead horse
Like um…. Well… give me a moment.
Oh, it makes a great door stop for a hermit… Keeps away unwanted visitors and all that!
come on mang! glue is a perfectly wonderful use for a dead horse!
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 6, 2012 8:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
PS - Welcome to CSR.
I’m glad that me being a moody lame ass was the impetus to your posting here.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
LOL
That's why I started posting, too.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Glad I'm not alone.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Feb 6, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not surprised in the least by the names behind these posts. :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
that is offensive and hurtful... I'm calling a lawyer
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
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The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Haha your moody lameassness is greatly appreciated along with all the other great content you provide and I apologize for taking part in the beating of the dead horse. Just a topic that I felt was interesting if we stripped the whole super bowl angle from it.
If you want my honest opinion...
I don’t know why it’s not judged as a free play like offsides, where the offense has the option to take the play or the 5 yards and the time put back on the clock. They should be the same because in essence they are the same thing.
However, I don’t see the point in changing a rule just for changing it. But that’s just me.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Agree to disagree then.
I doubt either one of us could change the others mind on this subject.
My only thought is that even if the rule hasn’t been exploited yet, its still possible, and in that since its best to proactive instead of reactive to the rule. But thats just me.
by Curtis Perkins on Feb 6, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
SO you realize that the rule is wrong,
but you want to wait until it completely screws some team over, and not just partially screws them over. Makes sense. No sarcasm here.
It's never been an issue before, and it will probably never be an issue again.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
So you just hope that no coach ever bends the rules again. You also hope that they easily forget Superb owls and that this exploit never crosses any ones mind.
You act like they have something better to do than fix a clear mistake. They were past over for the world peace talks so I think they have some time. You think that the rule
should be different. This isn’t homework. You will not be tested. You wont have to work at all.
Really I don’t understand how you think the rule should be different but don’t want it changed.
I don't care if they change it or not. I really don't.
If they decide that there’s reason to change it, let them fucking change it. If they don’t, then they don’t. My life doesn’t change one bit.
I guess I can sum up how I really feel about it in six words: I just don’t give a fuck.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
by Revshawn on Feb 6, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thats an amazing raptor, id even go so far as to say he is a superb owl.
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 7, 2012 6:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I thought James Dator made it perfectly clear that we aren't to use the word "moody"
“Mercurial” is clearly the preferred word when describing that type of behavior! :-)
Peyton>Eli
But how could anyone pass on Cam ;)
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
If I had to pick between the two Mannings
I’d take Peyton (health issues aside). I think people are getting a little too caught up in the Eil hype after the game. Yes he’s an elite QB and likely Hall of Fame bound. But I think people are living in the moment a bit too much if they think this automatically makes him better than Brady and Peyton who are arguably two of the GOATs.
screw them both
Peyton’s old and injured. Eli is full of his own self importance. Cammmmmmmm
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 6, 2012 1:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That was a joke right?
Not a huge Eli fan or anything but to say he’s full of himself is just wrong. Unless you joking in which case sorry
by DoubleT-Dlo on Feb 6, 2012 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Peyton hands down
and its not even close, Eli isn’t even the second best QB in his draft class, how is he gonna measure up against his top 5 of all time brother?
I'm willing to say he's the best from his class.
He’s surpassed Big Ben in stats and matched him in SB’s. And Rivers hasn’t even sniffed a Super Bowl.
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
Not really
QB wins are like Pitcher wins in baseball, completely useless to judge an individual because its a team effort. Rivers stats are better than Eli’s in all of the advanced stats, and Rivers trails Eli by less than a years worth in the counting stats despite Eli having over 25 more games than Rivers under his belt.
I don't base everything off of stats
Eli has shown an uncanny ability to play lights out in the playoffs. That’s huge in how good of a QB you are.
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
So
by that logic, that means he’s better than his brother, Brees, Rodgers, and Elway because he has two rings and he’s far better than Dan Marino ever was. There are a ton of other factors that go into how a team wins it all . All his other games do count, and his winning does not erase his inconsistent play over the years (69-50 vs Rivers 63-33). He does deserve a good amount of credit this year, he played well and deserved the win, but
I wouldn't say that he's better than a lot of these other players statistically over a 16 game season.
But you’ve got to win in the playoffs. And in this sense, Eli Manning beats the crud out of his brother by far if he manages to get in there. You can no longer deny it. How many times have we seen Peyton Manning knocked out of the playoffs in the first round over the years and we’ve seen him walking off the field with his helmet off and he’s shaking his head?
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
We've seen this year
how bad the Colts truly are without Peyton, although people were whispering for years that the team was one Peyton Manning away from sucking no one believed it until we saw it first hand. Eli has a complete team to work with, his defense has always been good (Hell it was the defense that basically won the 07 title, they recorded multiple turnovers every post-season game that year)
I blame two people for how quickly the team has gone down the tubes. The head coach and the owner respectively. The owner more than the head coach.
The first person I blame is Jim Caldwell. It was quite a head-scratcher to me when the Colts named him as the successor to Tony Dungy. I always looked at him as a brilliant head coach, so it made me nervous when he elected to have his close friend become head coach instead of searching for someone established in the league. Without Peyton Manning to carry games, he couldn’t get the job done. He was an unproven coach and it turned out he had no clue to build a football team, especially a defense. The team went downhill the moment he took over the helm.
Jim Irsay has just as much to do with it if not more. He’s got a serious arrogance complex. He started by trying to force Peyton Manning to retire. You could see it happening with all these news outlets suddenly reporting that Peyton Manning decided to retire out of nowhere. That points to either two things. Either some reporter out there decided to leak a totally false story to drum up readership or the Owner or someone from Colts management tried to force the issue by ‘leaking’ information they didn’t know was true or not. Judging by how Irsay has been acting, I’m willing to bet on the former.
When that didn’t work he started this propaganda war with Peyton Manning where he’s trying to pretend that he’s not ‘medically cleared to play’ or whatever. Peyton Manning has done nothing but bring the Colts 15 years of wonderful football and this is how Irsay repays him. All of the coach hirings have been steered towards defense and seem to all push Peyton out the door. I have no respect for the man. And after Andrew Luck shunned the Panthers, I’ll be more than happy to watch him planted to the turf game after game by an inept Colts offensive line.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
I never stated he was better than any of those QB's
I stated he was the best from his class, his combination of well above average stats, ability to get his team into the playoffs and then raise his game to another level is what makes him best.
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
I voted for Cam, but I would go with Eli, dude has a nice combo of luck and skill.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
Eli.
Only because Peyton is 35 and coming off serious neck surgery.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Wow
Get sick and sleep all day and miss a complete decent into anarchy. LOL. Anyway as far as the question at hand… I think you have to go Eli right now. He’s younger, healthier and obviously luckier. If the discussion was Eli or Peyton in a magical world where they were both young wide eyed rookies this is a no brainer. It’s Peyton all day. Yes Eli has really come into his own and become an elite player in his own right but Peyton was winning 10 games a year by his self. Look at what happened without him. Now lastly I’ll put my .02 in on the other discussion. I liked this article, and enjoy the debates that articles like this bring. I think it’s ok from time to time to go a little off topic when done so in a constructive manner in order to create a dialogue.
"Beer, both the cause of and solution to all of life's little problems." - Homer Simpson
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