Nation Wide Mock Draft
by JetMet on Feb 2, 2012 7:03 PM EST
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PrintHello Panthers Fans,
I had an idea for a mock draft in which your sports nation site acts as your team. Over the next few months I plan to visit each team's site and allow for each reader to help pick your team's draft pick. Please answer the poll to select your team's draft pick.
*Note - I flipped a coin and the Dolphins won the 8th overall pick over the panthers.
I would really appreciate everyones help with this. Thanks in advance! - Sam
Just to give you a little more on this idea and myself, I am a writer for bleacherbumsports.net and will continue to organize all of the draft information I receive through my site. The poll will be up for 3 days after which the player with the most votes is your teams draft pick. I will then move on to the next site and have them pick from which players are left. This will only be a first round draft and can not involve trades so please pick where your team currently is. I cannot verify in the proper amount of time if the other team would accept your trade.
Current Draft Results:
1. Colts - QB Andrew Luck
2. Rams - WR Justin Blackmon
3. Vikings - OT Matt Kalil
4. Browns - QB Robert Griffin III
5. Buccaneers - CB Morris Claiborne
6. Redskins - OT Riley Reiff
7. Jaguars - DE Quinton Coples
8. Dolphins - DE Melvin Ingram
The Poll will be open until Feb 5 at 1pm
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Good idea
I remeber someone did this for the NBA draft. I picked Brockers, his talent is too good for me to pass up.
he's so raw and unpredictable
he isnt an improvement right and probably wont start his first year. He’s definitely the biggest risk and he also has very little immediate rewards
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
The only other player I like listed is Kirkpatrick and he is a risk as well
But with Brockers he already is better than Fua and McClain In my opinion. Im one of those guys that loves raw players and to watch what happens unless there is a sure superstar to take. Look at Cam he was considered radioactive raw potential.
Good point about the raw potential.
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by boywonderncsu on Feb 2, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yes but..
Cam was a man amongst boys at Auburn. I’ve only seen the tape you guys have posted on brockers but there were stretches where he disappeared. Same obviously can’t be said about Cam. He seems slow off the line and plays too tall. Our 1st rounder needs to be an absolute lock. I’ve read several times that cover corners and running backs have the easiest transition to the NFL bc so much of the technique stays the same. My pick right now would be Dre K. We are a long ways away from having one of those D lines that dominate games. However w just one more Gamble like corner I think we see a lot more coverage sacks. I can remember a few times this season where hardy or big money was reaching out and needed another half second. Dre K could give us that.
by DoubleT-Dlo on Feb 3, 2012 1:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've said it before, but I'd rather pick Still.
Less risk involved. Maybe less upside than Brockers but we need an immediate starter.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Still can also play multiple positions (4-3 DT, 3-4 DE)
Versatility is so helpful during a game. Say for example we run Hardy, CJ, Stills, Edwards, Beason, Anderson, and (purely hypothetical) TD onto the field with whomever our DBs are…the opposing coaching staff and QB can immediately key into what the defensive alignment will be. Are we in a 3-4 with CJ or Hardy standing up? Are we in a base 4-3? Things like that make a difference in the game, especially against opponents like the Saints and Falcons that go hurry up when they think they have a match-up advantage so that we can’t sub out personnel.
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Good point. DK is a fine player, but he just seems likea Godfrey clone
(I like Godfrey) but if you can’t get an elite cover DB in the first round then why spend a high pick on someone you already have? Just my opinion and I’m sure there are numerous examples of how I’m wrong on that premise. Completely open to most of the options folks are going with…except for a WR. We don’t need a WR (unless through some fluke Blackmon is available.
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I agree
I’m sure Brockers or Kirkpatrick will probably win this vote (so much has been said about them here plus the fact that they come from two major SEC schools helps their perception) but Still is more consistant and versatile (the stigma that the Big Ten has gotten lately probably hurts Still as well). I’m no expert so I tend to default to what the experts say and most put Still higher than Brockers and the CB field is deep enough for us to wait. I mean Charles Johnson, Ray Edwards, and Devon Still. Now that is 3/4’s of a GREAT line.
I would say Kirpatrick can give us the most wins right now, but Brockers has the potential to get us the most wins in the future
We won’t be in the race for the Super Bowl next year so we can lean towards the future, but its just too hard for me to turn down a top 10 guy at a blatent postion of need. I went Kirpatrick.
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by carolinapillpusher on Feb 3, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I picked DK
I’ve been thinking and I (thoughI know I’ll love whomever we draft in the 1st and 2nd because I completely trust Hurney and Rivera) would love it if we could get Kirkpatrick in the 1st and either Fletcher Cox or Dontari Poe (DT’s) or Curry (DE) in the 2nd to improve the line and secondary. Hell I’d even love it if we see someone we dub with immense potential and it’s another CB that drops to us like Jayron Hosley or Stephon Gilmore. Man I just can’t wait for our new panthers. :)
Poe and Brockers are the only DTs i would take
and only in the 2nd
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
I went with Dre Kirkpatrick
He has a lot of upside and possesses what I think the defense needs: a tall, fast, aggressive CB with good football instincts that plays the run well.
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I am a firm believer in upside
And I think when April comes there won’t be many players with much more upside than Brockers. That’s who i went with. I love his potential.
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I went with Brockers for the same reason
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As did I
Devon Still is great against the run, and average against the pass. Brockers is also great against the run with tremendous upside against the pass. This is becoming a passing league, and if we have a guy that can stop the run, with potential to be a dominant pass rusher, I’m going to take him.
With a name like Lesbian I have to be awesome!
by Lesbian Montgomery on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Brockers & "Temendous Upside Against The Pass", Where Has He Been Hiding It?
Brockers only has 2 sacks in his whole college career, I guess that does leave him no where to go but up. LOL
by PanthersRoar on Feb 3, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
I just like his frame
The guy could add twenty pounds and still be a beast. He reminds me a lot of JPP a few years ago.
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"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
Panthers #1 Need Is An Improved Pass Rush
With DE’s Coples and Ingram gone, OT’s Kalil and Reiff gone, and CB Claiborne gone, the 1st round pick has to be DE Whitney Mercilus.
Hardy was also in his first year as a starter
and missed the entire off season with a motorcycle injury. His first week of practice was for the first game
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Ditto.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 2, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Jon Beason said it himself.
A good pass rush might have made the secondary look better. I wouldn’t be upset either if we picked up another potential pass rusher.
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You can never have to many DEs
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 7:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that is exactly my sentiment
my want for drafting a pass rusher has nothing to do with Johnson or Hardy….I just want to have a feared pass rush like the Giants have and they have 4 guys that are great pass rushers that can play all over the dline
whitney is TOO small
I just see him ending up as a situational pass rusher and we already have one of those. Why waste the pick when you can get a game changing talent like brockers, who will be an absolute monster. I just don’t see what the fuss is about over this guy and dre k.
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by LimeyPanther on Feb 3, 2012 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's about 265 right now, he could easily gain 10 lbs of muscle in an NFL weight training program.
About the same size as CJ.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 3, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Eerily similar to Everette Brown as well.
Makes me nervous.
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ALAC Your Way Off Base, Brown's (6-1 1/2, 256) Is In No Way "Similar" To Mercilus' (6-4, 265)
CJ and Hardy are the only Panthers DE’s bigger than Mercilus.
by PanthersRoar on Feb 3, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I'm not.
The discussion was referring to player weight. The 256lb (actually should be 260lbs) weight you reference is what Brown weighed after he put on 10+ lbs before the 2010 season. In the context of the conversation, the reference is quite valid.
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His senior playing weight was around 245lbs.
Which is about the same weight he was at his rookie season. He put on 10+lbs to get to around 260lbs for his max playing weight.
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Brown Was Listed At 6-4 & 250 Before The Start Of, But Measured 6-1 1/2 & 256 At The Combine
He thought he would be a high enough draft pick that he did play in any of the All-Star games, but I believe his expected measurements before the Combine had changed to 6-3, 260.
by PanthersRoar on Feb 5, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'm Sorry, But Your Flat Out Wrong, Please Check This Link
www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSA/2009_DE
This is nfldraftscout.com’s rankings of the 2009 drafts DE’s, showing their measurements. They don’t list fractions of an inch, so they rounded Brown’s 6-1 1/2 height as 6-2. His 6-1 1/2, 256 pounds measurement comes from my personal notes, from the Combine. You should watch it this year, and take notes, if you haven’t before.
Not to come late to the party.
But if he was 256 at the Combine, he would have been 265+ in his 2nd season, where it was estimated that he gained at least 10 good pounds.
Either way, I don’t think it’s a case of him being undersized from a weight perspective. His frame is just not big enough. The reason his draft stock was relatively high was because of his 16 sacks during his final season at FSU.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 6, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, I've upset you.
The fact of the matter is, the situation is the same. It was said that Brown needed to “put on 10 or so lbs” and he would be fine in the NFL. He did and he wasn’t. That is really all I have to say about that. Regardless of exactly where his weight was, it is well documented that he did put on 10 or so pounds but I still don’t believe he’s ever weighed more than 260.
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Whitney Is Listed At The Exact Same 6-4 & 265 As DE Robert Quinn & Aldon Smith Last Year
Quinn started out slow, but finished strong.
Smith played OLB in the 49ers 3-4 defense last season, and had 14 sacks.
Also an injury which might have been the cause for his announce season lingering foot problems.
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hardy also lead
The team in Qb hurries, and batted passes
by bird2jasun on Feb 3, 2012 8:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And nobody ever talks about Keiser.
Is the DE we pick going to be head and shoulders above Keiser or Kraken?
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Probably Keiser, and maybe the Kraken.
Keiser was a situational pass rusher, while the Kraken has been a liability in the run game. We could use some more blood in the system.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Feb 3, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
That screams reach
And drafting for need over BPA. Thank you, Matt Millen.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 3, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
You've Got It Backwards Jake, Drafting Brockers, A Non Pass Rushing DT Is The Major Reach
The lack of a quality pass rush (ranked tied for 25th) is the Panthers greatest need.
Drafting Brockers and his college career 2 sacks, then in the hope he suddenly develops a pass rush that he’s never shown before is just wishful thinking.
by PanthersRoar on Feb 3, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Feb 4, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Where did I say to draft Brockers?
Drafting Whitney would be a massive reach.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 4, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=nfcsouth&id=31044
by bird2jasun on Feb 3, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Saw this too.
Not sure playing a lot of snaps = being great. But it is impressive nonetheless.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I went with Dre, though, I was close to picking Alshon.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Feb 2, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions
He's got a top ten skill set, and intangibles.
I think that Alshon might roll his way up draft boards after the combine. Possibly becoming BPA when we pick.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 2, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so
I liked him at the begining of the year. I would like to see Cam get another toy to play with.
not the bpa by a long way
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 3, 2012 8:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe not today, but with a good 40 time, he could easily move back into the top 15 picks.
At 6’4 230 lbs. and a 40+ inch vertical, Jeffery could easily end up being one of the top players of the 2012 draft.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Feb 3, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really care for Alshon
But I’m curious to see how he does at the combine. If he runs faster than expected and catches everything, he could be a top 10 pick.
by usana_gaines on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
There are about 4 players on the list I definitely would not take
That means that there will be a lot of talent available when we pick. I voted for Kirkpatrick, but that might change after the combine. I actually feel like I should be picking a linemen, especially since it’s harder to get good DL in FA. If we end up picking DeCastro, Brockers, Still, Burfict or another OL, I’d be okay with it. I think Coples will still be available, but i don’t want him. I also firmly believe RG3 goes 2nd. I think the Rams could give up the 2nd pick, end up with two top 10 or 15 picks, and get Floyd and Coples, plus an additional 3rd rounder or something like that. I think the Redskins would be flat out dumb not to trade up and get RG3.
if the rams dont get kalil they should be declared criminally insane
Bradford got battered last year, if they want him to actually turn into a good qb they’ve got to protect him better. Kalil will walk into the 18:24:26 position and stay their for the next decade. He’s a massive talent, giving up this pick or drafting blackmon is gonna lead to bradford getting carted off at some point in the year.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 3, 2012 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
stupid bloody phone L T not the time
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 3, 2012 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A lot will be surprised come draft day....
The pick will probably be an OL… There is no way Marty is going to draft Dre Kirkpatrick.
He doesn’t fit the BPA rule at # 8 or # 9.
Jonathan Martin or OT Riley Reiff will get the pick if they are available.
I do like Jonathan Martin. I watched a lot of Stanford game because of Andrew luck. Jonathan is a talent….and good fit for Pass or Run plays…..
by ProScout on Feb 2, 2012 11:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think there's a very good chance Dre is the BPA at 8/9
Not to mention a huge need.
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"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
Do you really want another player...
in our secondary with poor tackling skills that doesn’t know how to wrap up?
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 10:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is the 2nd time I've seen you say DK's tackling is poor.
Now, others can chime in here, but, isn’t that supposed to be one of the best parts of his game?
We need a nose tackle.
From CBS:
Tackling: Flashes pure strength to stop receivers and running backs in their tracks on the outside, should get stronger over time. Likes to throw his shoulder into receivers to force them out of bounds. Resorts to duck-and-swipe when unnecessary, which may work against college ballcarriers but will cause problems at the next level. Used on corner blitzes due to size/speed combination, forces a lot of quick throws. Willing to go for the strip, especially if ballcarrier already engaged. Negates special teams gunners on punts, stays with them with effort, physicality and speed.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 3, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
So we're concerned that he ducks and swipes?
From what I’ve seen of him he doesn’t ‘miss’ tackles.
We need a nose tackle.
To be fair, I am limited to film on youtube....
I don’t read or care for the talking heads (remember they hated the soon to be best NFL rookie qb last year at this time and said Clausen was an awesome qb), but base my opinion (which could be wrong) on what I watch and the stats. I will post the film where I have seen the tackling problem when I get back to my CPU. Also, I watched Dre in the bowl game. Even if he has some great tackles with good technique that have escaped me… he still has the stupid off field incident that got Thomas canned instantly last season. I am not a fan, sorry.
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
These "experts" are experts for a reason.
But it’s still an inexact science. Regardless, they’re a hell of a lot better of it than any of us are even if they wiff on some guys. The whole “THEY DIDN’T LIKE CAM!!!” thing is overblown and I think it’s more than slightly vindictive from our fans.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 3, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
but but but
THEY DIDNT LIKE CAM!!!!!
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 3, 2012 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I hear you. And I’m no different, outside of the games I recorded on my DVR (and stored on my external hard-drive).
As far as DBs go nowadays, not too many of them are better at tackling than DK, imo. All of them are shaky. Hell, even LBs are getting worse and worse at tackling.
And I think most of it is because they fear being fined, on the college level, maybe they fear hurting their team with 15 yard roughing penalties. Either way, I don’t like it. It’s hurting the game. It will never be safe to play football. If you wanna play, wanna earn your living doing it, then you’ll have to deal with the consequences. Can’t have your cake and eat it too. (Not to sound insensitive, just not a big fan of watching glorified Arena football.)
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah…you have football games stored on your hard drive. Sure.
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I haven't watched a single one of them yet.
And may never……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….but I got ’em.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
fail.
My “but” got cut off in my:
“But I got ’em.”
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Your butt got cut off?!?!
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by KaiserBromley on Feb 4, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Everything I've read and seen about DK
makes me want him in the Panthers secondary.
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by boywonderncsu on Feb 3, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Reiff is already off the board in this mock
I don’t know enough about Martin to have an opinion there
I went with Martin
I had considered Decastro, but I felt another solid tackle would help the line. If I were addressing defense, I would have chosen Kirkpatrick (though I really think he will be the Panthers actual pick.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 3, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
I went with Martin as well
And also considered Decastro. I’m coming around to draft oline in the first round because it is my hope that we aren’t this low in the draft for a long time in order to draft a replacement for Jordan Gross…plus I think we can find some good defensive talent in the 2nd round
I like Decastro as well
so I would support this pick if Martin isn’t selected
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by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 3, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I picked DeCastro
First off I wanted Melvin Ingram. With that said, I just dont see them streching for a DB after Claiborne is gone. Plus we still don’t know what Hogan is going to bring to the table. Decastro is #1 at his position and we need a starter. I Whorton is starting ot get up there in age. Both Marty and BAMF said they want to keep the strengths of the team strong. A Lot of people are going to say Jonathan Martin and I can understand that, but DeCastro was better than Martin in BOTH pass and run blocking.
by bobbydrake24 on Feb 3, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I can't believe
Rams fans want Blackmon over Kalil. Crazy. i’d rather wait until the combine to get really involved with something like this.
Agreed
At the end of the season the Rams #3 QB was hobbling off the field if I’m not mistaken. You’d think they’ed be all over some Kahlil action.
by DoubleT-Dlo on Feb 3, 2012 1:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yea forreal
there are plenty of great receivers in free agency so they should and will go Kalil in the first if they don’t trade down
very surprised about Rams choosing Blackmon over Kalil
further surprise at Coples to Jags… I’ve heard some of them absolutely hate that pick and you’d think the Jags would learn not to take a chance on those super-risky DEs
These are the results of how much of the % of the vote each pick received, there seems to be some discussion so just for anyone interested.
Luck – 76% – colts
Blackmon – 52% – rams
Kalil – 85% – vikings
Griffin III – 51% – browns
Claiborne – 70% – bucs
Reiff – 22% – redskins
Coples – 32% – jaguars
Ingram – 30% – Dolphins
by JetMet on Feb 3, 2012 2:47 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Also thanks for all the support so far
And for not suggesting trades….
Speaking of trades
Have members from the Brows or Rams expressed a desire to trade their pick? It seems with a lot of mocks, these teams are trading down.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 3, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
I think the Rams should keep their pick
They really need to get Bradford some elite help on offense (Kalil or Blackmon). I could see the Brown trading their pick though, depending if they like RG3 enough to take him that early. They need a lot of help in multiple areas and could use the extra draft picks. Especially, since they are going to miss out of Luck, Kalil, and Blackmon.
Yes, teams have wanted to trade there pick. its just to hard to accept trades in this type of mock draft
for example, say you wanted to trade down to the jets at 16. I can’t just switch the picks because its gives to much power to the one team proposing the trade. Then it would also be a process of what is the consensus of the site on what to offer and take in that trade. After which, a consensus of the Jets site would see if they wanted to accept that trade, say they make a counter offer. I would then have to come back here and have your site vote again. The process would just become to drawn out.
I have found so far that most teams have had people that have wanted to trade there pick, but in this scenario the redskins were the ones that expressed wanting to trade the most. As for the Browns, many of them seemed content that RG3 fell to them.
I completely understand your reasoning for not doing trades
I was just curious because most fan bases have an idea on what their team will do on draft day and try applying it to mock drafts. So its interesting to see who they would want without the luxury of trading down. You will have to let us know how the rest of your mock pans out.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 3, 2012 11:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I will for sure... I'll probably come back with like a fan shot or something when its all done to let you all know
Also thanks for understanding the trade thing. You would be surprised how many people were getting upset that they couldn’t trade their pick / still choosing to trade their pick (even though thats not an option)
I saw that
Stuff like that frustrates me to no end. Also, people need to realize that most teams want to trade back, but not every team can trade back.
I think this a great idea. Keep up the good work bud.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 3, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta go with Kirkpatrick
They need a shutdown corner on the other side of Gamble. I love Captain’s heart, but unfortunately, he’s too small to be a star corner in this league of tall receivers nowadays.
I still have faith in the two rookie DT’s. They were serviceable and I believe with a full season under their belt they will perform well next year.
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It's nothing to do with Captain's height.
It’s everything to do with his lack of athleticism. He has stiff hips, he isn’t explosive coming out of cuts and he has no hops.
If he was allowed to press the WR he’d be a potential starting CB in the league. As that’s been outlawed he’s a nickle and nothing more.
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Captain is great athlete
I still think he is our best punt returner. He is explosive out of his cuts and has great hops (37.5 inch vertical). But you are right in the fact that he has stiff hips….and he has trouble turning and locating the ball
I agree with you on Captain.
I’m hoping that we are going to ditch the zone principles we’ve been running under Meeks and go with more press, man coverage moving forward. That would play to Captain’s strengths, as well as Kendric Burney’s. I’m also hoping that Hogan makes a big leap this year.
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I'm not sure, but I thought he was cut.
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He's with the Rams roster last I heard
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You're right.
We cut him, re-signed him to the practice squad, then cut him again. I never heard about the second cut so I thought he was still on our practice squad. My bad.
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Sure go with the sure thing...
This may be the smartest pick and the best BPA, but it is hard not to let need influence the pick.
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
J. Jenkins! Right?
No?
Ok then roll the dice and go with Brockers.
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Gotta go with my hometown boy ...
Kirkpatrick
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Mercilus - Show no mercy!
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 7:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Hell no
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
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you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Feb 3, 2012 10:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Watch this short Mercilus film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfjnVVcbZkI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
And tell me what you see.
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
His awards
2011 Ted Hendricks Award Winner
2011 Bill Willis Lineman Award Winner
2011 CFPA Defensive Performer of the Year
2011 consensus All-American
2011 First Team All-Big Ten
2011 Consensus All-American
The reason, IMO, he had a break out year last year, was because this was the first year he played as a starter.
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
His one year of production worries a lot of people (myself included).
Can he produce similar stats in the NFL? Was he a one-hit wonder? Those are serious questions, and I don’t know if we have the ability to draft someone 8/9 overall when there are questions about the player.
It’s the same thing with Brockers and Coples. There are just too many questions there to take the risk, IMO.
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Good point, but
That’s what the said about Cam last year…
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So it worked out for us once.
That doesn’t mean you keep going back to it. If you’re playing roulette and bet all your money on 26 black and win, are you going to do it again?
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 3, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
lol
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Feb 3, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
And it's also been said about hundreds of players who didn't amount to anything.
You can’ use “well it worked with Cam so it will work with Mercilus (or insert player here)”. It just doesn’t work that way.
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I agree that...
“It worked with Cam” is not a valid reason for drafting. I am just saying that so much talent is coming out early so its not a good reason to rule out a player either.
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It is a legitimate reason to be skeptical
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 4, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Also, college awards do not lead to NFL success.
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Watched some more snaps...
He was told to rush the passer on every play, it seems, cause they got gashed numerous times in the running game when he lost contain.
We need a nose tackle.
He does look to be more of a pass rusher
I wish he had this production as a DT. I like how he drives and sheds his blockers to make his sacks or tfl.
He had 22.5 tackles for a loss, second in the nation and a school record. So he’s not bad against the run either.
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think a sack is considered a TFL--so he had 6 tackles for loss in the running game.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure about that.
For the NFL at least, I think it’s counted separately.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 3, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
In the NFL it is, yes.
Not sure about college.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I thought...
Sack= qb
TFL= rb
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 5:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not his fault.
The coaching staff probably told him to just rush every down. They’ll deal with the occasional big run.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
DeCastro or Brockers
Wouldn’t upset me at all. Dre k… no thanks, I think there’s real cb talent to grab in the second… Gilmore, jenkins or minnifield… One of them shoudl be available at our second pick (I hope).
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by LimeyPanther on Feb 3, 2012 8:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
OT - If you live in or around the Charlotte area
Cam Newton will have a live interview this afternoon on 610 AM WFNZ The Fan during their segment called “The Drive”.
He hasn’t done too many local interviews so it might be interesting. Of course they will probably have some of their more riveting lines of questioning such as “what is your favorite brunch locale in the Queen City”? Then again it might have a couple gems.
Thought I would share.
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by Swamp Panther on Feb 3, 2012 8:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
As much as I want Alshon...
We won’t need him I don’t think, I honestly believe Gettis will come back on all cylinders, worry about wide receiver later in the draft for some insurance though (cough cough Joe Adams cough)
DreK won’t happen honestly, Captain got burned a few times, but he also made some good plays, plus they supposedly like Hogan alot which would allow Cap to slide back to Nickel again. Meanwhile while Cap got beat a few times, the D-Line got burnt EVERY play. Go with Devon Still, safest pick imo.
I don't want to start a war here,
but how is everyone convinced that Gettis is the answer? Personally I thought he was very stiff, and the majority of his big plays were broken plays or Pickles throwing laser passes (that is sarcastic).
I am just not sold on Gettis. I hope I am wrong. I would love to use this pick on a DT or CB worth a dang, but I don’t see it, so that’s why I went with Jeffery.
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I think it's our offense, at least that is my opinion
Our offense was 5th in the NFL and the scheme is predicated around going to the #1 WR, then to the TE’s, RBs and then the #2 WR is almost an after thought. Our defense has a lot of needs. Don’t get me wrong is by some fluke Blackmon is available…hell yeah pick him twice.
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Ha
I would crap my pants if Blackmon is there. Literally.
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Not that too many people care
But that was the first time that I have looked at what could potentially be available to us. And I nearly threw up in my mouth. That is hideous. So based off those losers left on the board, I went with Ashlon Jeffery.
Here is hoping to a trade back and loading up on a butt-load of crap, vs. drafting crap with the 9th pick.
And over there in the tree, is a chipmunk nest. And that right there, is our corn, best in the city, it's delcious. And that is a crazy lady. So now you pretty much know what I do. Pretty dang exciting, huh?
I'm of the belief that we need to re-fortify our offensive line.
Like yesterday. I love a healthy Jeff Otah, but I don’t trust his ability to stay healthy at playing weight. Bell played very well, but we need more depth. Not to mention the fact that Gross isn’t going to be around forever. We can ill afford to continue to wait.
I’m going with Jonathan Martin here, but I fully understand why many are picking Kirkpatrick. I just believe that we’ve got some capable talent at CB that just needs a change of scheme and a little more pass rush in front of them. I believe that both of these things are going to happen this season.
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I agree man
I’m hoping we will be drafting so late in the first round in the next few years that we cant get another top tier tackle in the draft and those guys hardly ever hit free agency. I am even warming up to Decastro because I think that Cam can handle pressure from the outside but pressure up the middle is the hardest to handle. And I believe that Decastro could greatly prevent the pressure up the middle.
I feel what your saying, but I'm not sure if we'll get an improved pass rush next year.
That’s why I’m looking for either an elite pass rusher i.e. Coples, Upshaw, Mercilus, or a shutdown corner, in Kirkpatrick.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 3, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone else think it's stupid that the Rams would pass on Kalil?
I for one, think Kalil is a much better pick for the Rams at #2 than Blackmon. Bradford doesn’t have time to throw the ball and is in jeopardy of getting David Carr syndrome. I think taking Kalil is a perfect choice for the Rams.
I understand them wanting Blackmon, as they need at least one legitimate receiving threat.
But I agree, you can’t pass on Kalil. I’d much rather protect the QB and get an average receiver or two through later rounds and free agency.
Yeah, I totally agree
They have so much money invested in Bradford that it would be crazy not to have an elite offensive lineman to keep him on his feet. Plus, you can’t throw the ball to an elite receiver if you are always getting sacked.
They did pick up Brandon Lloyd this season
He’s a pretty good WR, though Blackmon is probably going to be much better.
True.
Although, I believe it was only a one year deal and he is set to be a free agent in 2012. I could be mistaken though.
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Yep, Lloyd is an FA this year.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 3, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.......
Folks may be looking at Jeff Fishers track record and predicting the WR pick. Although, I believe his record would lead you to believe that they would go with defense. For full disclosure, I really don’t know that much about the Rams roster. I just know they went backwards badly last season. Seemed like it was injury related though. I think Fisher will turn them around quickly without churning much of the roster.
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The Rams are stupid if they don't take Kalil.
Bradford can’t complete passes to Blackmon if he doesn’t have an OL to protect him, so picking Blackmon is pointless.
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I agree.
I’m just saying…….Fisher has never drafted many O-linemen, other than tackles.
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The only two times he's been in the top 5 he's taken a QB...
He doesn’t need one of those (or he can’t take one because he’s hamstrung by the contract of the one he’s got — however you want to look at it), and surely he’s smart enough to realize that when you have a once-in-a-generation talent at LT you take him, especially when there are WR’s who will be available in the 2nd round.
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But then again, looking at his draft history...he may not be smart enough to realize it.
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Lol.
You’ll get no arguments from me. They should take Kalil, without a doubt. I’m just not sure that’s Fisher’s M.O.
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Unless they can pick up an OT in free agency, then yes, it's stupid for them to pass on Kalil.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I like Kirkpatrick or Brockers at 8 or 9… (minus Coples).
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by Imisshooooooooov on Feb 3, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly surprised there aren't more votes for Martin.
I’d pick DeCastro, but I think we’d go with Kirkpatrick.
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Two things:
I’m not sure Martin is better than Adams.
Is the third (or fourth) best OT the BPA at #9? I doubt it.
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Most places I've seen
Still have Reiff and Martin in a virtual tie.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 3, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
If we did this again on April 1st, I have a feeling Dantari Poe would be an option.
We need a nose tackle.
BPA
Just stay BPA, we have gotten burned to many times.
My friend pointed this out today: (Players under our pick were players available) I am not saying there were unknowns surrounding these guys, but jesus look at 2005. Ouchers.
1st round: Thomas Davis
Aaron Rodgers, Roddy White, Nick Collins, & Logan Mankins
2nd round: Eric Shelton (Yuck)
Vincent Jackson, Frank Gore, Justin Tuck
3rd round: Evan Mathis
Ellis Hobbs, Marion Barber, Brandon Jacobs,
4th round: Stefan Lefors
Kerry Rhodes, Darren Sproles, Cris Canty, Ron Fields, Trent Cole
And over there in the tree, is a chipmunk nest. And that right there, is our corn, best in the city, it's delcious. And that is a crazy lady. So now you pretty much know what I do. Pretty dang exciting, huh?
Evan Mathis is the best player of the four 3rd round guys you list here.
Too bad we cut him. He had an all-pro type year with the Eagles in 2011.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Prior to the draft, our picks may have been seen as the BPA.
That’s why all of this is an inexact science.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 3, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
The one that really gets me is the Eric Shelton pick.
We could have had V-Jax, Gore, or Tuck instead of Shelton. Damn.
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But he's the next Stephen Davis!!!
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 3, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Totally makes it worth it.
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Mark Barron - S, Alabama
Two-time All-American, consistent winner and leader.
In the top ten? No way mano.
He’s solid, but if you’re going to pick a Safety in the top ten, he’s gotta be out of this world, a la Eric Berry.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 3, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
i would take him if he slid to us in the 2nd (unlikely but very possible)
but not in the first. I really like Markelle Martin who is considered by most to go late 2nd to early 3rd.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Agreed. Another Safety I like is Harrison Smith from Notre Dame.
Good coverage skills, and nice range, coupled with solid tackling abilities.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 4, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Safeties are big difference-makers
I like the idea of drafting leaders of winning teams. We could use another leader on the defense. I like that Barron was the leader of the best defense, was consistently a strong performer, and can tackle and intercept the ball.
We have our Ray Lewis in Beason. Why don’t we try to find our Ed Reed? I’m not saying Barron is the only way to do that, but I’d like to see him get a little more consideration.
I don’t think the 8th-9th pick is worth spending on a CB. Look at the Cardinals and PP from last year. While PP went to the pro bowl, he didn’t make a big difference on the outcome of the season.
For me, it's not about who is 'worth' this pick or that pick.
It’s about where that player would be drafted if you took yourself out of the equation. If the odds say Barron would still be there at 20, then picking him at 8 or 9 is irresponsible. If he’s the top player on your board at 8, fine…but you still don’t pick him. Even if all you can get is a 3rd or 4th rounder, you trade back (even if it’s a less than ideal trade) just to get something extra.
If no one bites, and he’s the top player on your board, then you consider picking him, but you’ve got to try like hell to maximize the value of the 8th or 9th pick.
We need a nose tackle.
If we can trade back to 16 or 17
Then I’m more than ok with taking Barron there, even if it is just a little bit of a reach at that point. But at 8/9? That’s ridiculous.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, ideally we trade back, and Barron could make a great impact. But, it is an interesting aspect of the draft...
… What do you do when the player you really want doesn’t correlate with the “consensus value” of the player? Barron looks to be a low-risk, high-ceiling player at what may be the most critical missing piece of our defense.
But that is debatable. Is Safety a bigger need than DE, or OL? Then, you have to think about the talent level of the next best player at each position. At this point I am at a loss to figure out which way we should go. I’m hoping that free agency and the combine will clear my head a bit.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
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