Mocking In The Free World: James Hurney Is At It Again (who put this guy in charge?)
If you missed the update yesterday, let me fill you in.
- The National Football Post is holding their twitter mock draft, and I am representing the Panthers.
- I pulled off two pretty crazy trades yesterday which netted us WR Alshon Jeffrey, CB Kyle Wilson (from the Jets) and picks for me to use today. If you want to read my thinking and logic you can find the first post here.
The day kicked off with me being in the driver's seat as the draft was suspended at 5PM yesterday with me on the clock. I listened to some trade offers for the first of my two second round picks, but ultimately nothing really tickled my fancy. Shortly after the draft began for the day I made my pick.
8(40) - Carolina (6-10) - Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
As it stands right now we will enter the 2012 season with Ron Edwards, Sione Fua, Frank Kearse, and Jason Shirley vying for time at the NT spot, and I'm okay giving those guys another year to see how they shake out. What I'm not okay with, however, is entering the season with Terrell McClain, Andre Neblett and Ron Fields as our under tackles.
Brandon Thompson immediately becomes the best DT the Panthers have and a player who will make those around him better. I'll speak more about him and my other picks...
After the jump
There was long time where Thompson was seen as the most talented DT in this draft class, however he lacks a signature move that will prevent him from becoming an elite pass rusher. That being said, he does a lot of things really well that are hard to teach. He's not so much a threat in himself, but rather he's gifted at moving the pile and shrinking the QB's pocket. Thompson wont always get a hand on the QB, but more often than not he makes that quarterback adjust to having his guard pushed back in his face.
Here's what mocking the draft said about him:
Thompson has the necessary size and bulk to play the defensive tackle position in the NFL. He combines that size with a good first step that allows him to explode into the offensive line. His ability to create a good initial jolt helps him get inside hand position and drive the offensive lineman into the backfield. Thompson does a great job of disrupting the offense by getting a great push off the line. He possesses a good motor which always makes him a threat to make a play.
It's that threat in the final sentence that makes all the difference in the world for Carolina. If Thompson gets to the NFL and requires a double team or at least being chipped by a second blocker then the Panthers will win on the pass rush. This will allow Charles Johnson to get open more often and before you know it we have a reliable pass rush.
Ultimately I was thrilled with his pick and Thompson really matched BPA with need where I took him.
I barely had time to catch my breath before it was my time to pick again; this time with the 2nd round pick I acquired from the Jets in yesterday's trade. While there were a lot of players I was watching, ultimately I decided to continue to bolster the much lacking Panthers' pass rush.
15(47) - Carolina from New York Jets (8-8) - Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia
We have Cam Newton... we have Charles Johnson... so what about Cam Johnson?
Name aside, Johnson is a fantastic pass rusher who out of the gate will start across from Big Money. I've been thinking today of who he reminds me of as a player, and the answer is Mike Rucker.
Like Rucker, Cam Johnson doesn't have that all world speed or athleticism people swoon over. However, he is an insanely smart football player who has a natural instinct for when to pick his time to rush the QB and when to stay back in run support. Sealing the edge is something Greg Hardy really struggled with against the run in 2011, and now he can take more of a specialist role where Sean McDermott can use him on obvious passing downs to throw off an offense and use his ability as a pass rusher to cause havoc.
I feel with Thompson and Johnson joining the defensive line the run game will be stopped...finally.
While I was waiting for my third round pick (also acquired in the trade yesterday) there were several times where I almost pulled the trigger and moved up for the player I wanted out of fear, especially when New Orleans took Harrison Smith at the top of the 3rd round. Nevertheless, I waited and got the player I was hoping for.
14(78) - Carolina from New York Jets (8-8) - George Iloka, S, Boise State
What happens when you take a 6'4", 222lb player who has a wealth of experience rushing the passer from the safety position and pair it with a player who has the ability to sub as a CB when needed? You get George Iloka.
Immediately he would come to Carolina and play his natural FS position and challenge Sherrod Martin for the starting spot. He's rangy, athletic and reliable, honestly I'm astonished he was still available, as was one GM in the draft who messaged me shortly following the pick informing me he'd been trying for an hour to move up and take him.
Here's what the NFP say on him:
Iloka is a tall kid with solid balance for his size and has some natural athleticism and pop. Has experience playing corner and being a physical press coverage man. However, he isn't a guy who can quickly re-direct and close on the football in the deep half. He needs to play with his hands on defenders, but is a more coordinated bigger safety than say Seahawks starter Kam Chancellor and he could start at the next level.
Keep in mind that Kam Chancellor finished this season with 97 tackles, 4 INT, 3 FF and a sack and you'll see why I love this pick so much.
Where do we stand?
Now I need to wait until the 5th round after losing my 4th in the trade with New York. I still have my 5th, 6th and 7th round pick and there's a player out there who I may trade up for purely because it's criminal he's still available. I'm still looking to add an MLB behind Jon Beason, and get a OLB to help bolster the units but I'm quite happy with what I've gotten so far. Here's a look as what is getting added to the Carolina Panthers:
- CB Kyle Wilson
- WR Alshon Jeffrey
- DT Brandon Thompson
- DE Cam Johnson
- FS George Iloka
As always I'd love to hear your opinion on who I should target next. You can see the full mock here.
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Good moves today James.
IIoka immediately upgrades the Secondary, Thompson adds some talent to the DT’s, and Johnson provides nice depth and a solid ceiling.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 16, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions
I'm so....so happy. +Teardrop+
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
by Revshawn on Feb 16, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can we hire James Hurney?
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by Ivan459 on Feb 16, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just don't see how he is ANY better than our picks last year at DT
We wither need to draft a stud DT or none.. We have the same talent already, and I feel we should go OL in the 2nd round
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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Feb 16, 2012 5:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
Thompson doesnt have any weaknesses, but he doesnt really have many strengths either. He seems like the kind of guy is will be a somewhat decent starter or great rotational player for most of his career.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
He's a first round talent
With an explosive burst, gap-shooting ability, and a ton of strength that can hold the point of attack.
He’d immediately start next to Ron Edwards and would give the DL some size that it was sorely lacking this year. I don’t know how anyone could NOT like Brandon Thompson for this team.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I know how...
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 16, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah....
He didn't play in the SEC.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
and played for Clemson
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 16, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Two things against him, obvious bust.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you using the sarcasm font?
That pretty much sums up how MT views prospects.
Played for USC or in the SEC = top 10 pick and hall of famer
Played anywhere else = bust who will never be good in the NFL
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Har har har.
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Yep. The University of South Carolina.
Get with the program Oldy. :-)
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You're right
Then there’s Southern California.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yup Yup.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
No, SC.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
South Carolina was founded first. It gets to be USC.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
So UNC-Chapel Hill is Carolina
Since it was founded twelve years before USC. Now that that’s cleared up….
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Nope...you have to drop the Chapel Hill part. ;-)
But if USC can be USC, then UNC can be Carolina…I guess.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 16, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh....ok.
So instead of hitting him with a lead pipe you chose a baseball bat. Good move. :-)
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 16, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Of course.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Brandon Thompson is miles and away better than the two DT's we got from small schools.
Let me put it straight for you guys. If it wasn’t for Brandon Thompson manning the middle of the line like he did, the Bucs wouldn’t have gotten an overrated DE.
You should be thanking him. Singing his praises.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
by Revshawn on Feb 16, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would be ecstatic over this kind of two day haul...
You’ve managed to plug up our most glaring holes with extremely good young talent (I have my doubts about AJ, but where you took him and what you got in addition to him makes it A-OK). I like the Boise S a lot…he’s become a bit of a new target on my radar, but I’ve been really impressed by some of the (limited) tape I’ve seen on him. Overall, very good haul!
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
That was kind of my plan
Make solid, reliable picks with the next three to mitigate some of the risk with Jeffrey. I still have a lot of faith in him… he’s still the same guy mocks were making #1 overall with the Rams taking him in November. It just seems insane to me that he’s fallen this far, especially after toasting Denard in the Capitol One Bowl.
I love GI Joe (the safety) though, amazing frame
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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Feb 16, 2012 5:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yesterday I gave you an A
Due to the trades you made and the ability to get Kyle Wilson. Wasn’t thrilled with the pick of Jefferies, as I see him as too slow to play the position in the NFL.
Today I’m going with a B.
The pick of Thompson and IIoka are great grabs, and would be tremendous help immediately for the team. However, I do not feel that the DE position is one that needs to be addressed for this team, and if it was, Cam Johnson is not worth the 2nd round grade. The boy can play yes, but he never truly excelled, even against a weaker college schedule.
Good picks, looking forward to what you do in the later rounds.
Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano
I gave the exact same grades.
But for different reasons.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 16, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Probably Brockers...
If all the picks had gone the exact same over the last two days I probably would have taken Brockers in the 1st round and Alfonzo Denard in the second.
One of the best Panther drafts I've seen
by rscott94 on Feb 16, 2012 5:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I warmed up to the Jeffrey pick...
because I really don’t think WR is that high of a need for us although he would be BPA at this point.
But I hate that you skipped over 70 TACKLE/14 TFL/10 SACK player (Crick) for a 40 TACKLE/8 TFL/3 SACK player (Thompson). That’s a 43% loss in tackles, 43% loss in TFL and 70% loss in SACKS.
I like Minnifield better than Thompson to. He is my favorite cb in the draft and good on ST as well. Unless you think Wilson is really that good.
I think after watching all the Defensive lineman go higher than expected, I prefer us to keep our top 10 pick and use it on the defensive line. We HAVE to increase our pocket pressure!
Minnifield was gone, taken 3rd in the second round.
As for Crick, sure… he has those stats, but he’s also 285 lbs and is as big as he’s going to get. I don’t know how that can really do anything as a 4-3 DT at the next level. I think he’s destined to be a 3-4 defensive end, not to mention the fact Crick was playing like crap before the injury… now post injury what player are you getting?
I'd choose Fleener over Jeffery
Bigger stonger great end zone in the Gronk mold
With the amount of guys we sign off of waivers, we might eventually find our own Linsanity.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 16, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not. It hasn't been a week yet and I'm already tired of Lin puns.
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No kidding.
Things have been absolutely linsane with all the puns.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you did there. Very linteresting lindeed.
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
oh the linsanity. it makes me wanna cry!
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by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 16, 2012 10:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm getting lintimidated by all of these puns
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by usana_gaines on Feb 17, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
good draft
I don’t really care for the Alshon Jeffrey pick at all. I’d rather have thebest OL available at that pick than Jeffrey. However, I think adding Thompson and Kyle Wilson instantly upgrade our defense. I don’t know much about the other guys you picked, but I like adding Thompson to the mix. Here’s the deal. If McClain develops into the DT we thought he’d be, we could still use another DT to rotate in and play. Last year our DTs were out of shape and too unfamiliar with the system…and we had a lot of rookies. I predict that ALL DL on our roster will play better next year. However, that is not an excuse to pass over another talented one when you have the opportunity. Look at what Brees and Ryan did to us alst year from the pocket. Attacking the pocket and providing better coverage in the secondary will make us much better, even if Jeffrey proves to be no better than Gettis, LaFell or Nanee. Jeffrey could be the next Robert Meachem. Reshaun Woods or Chad Jackson. Of course, how he performs at the ombine next week could change all that, and also dispel rumors about him gaining weight and being slow. Is there gonna be a post-combine mock draft?
No OL would've been worth trading up for there
I personally think Alshon was a great value pick there.
i disagree
However, if we’re going BPA, and he’s rated higher at that time than any available OL, then he should definitely be the pick instead of reaching for an OL that might not be as good at his position as Jeffrey. I’m just waiting to see what people say about him at the combine. I mean, I’m not hard up against the guy, and if he looks good, I’ll have no problem acknowledging that.
by usana_gaines on Feb 17, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
im still not sold on the first two players
But if we could get the other three at some point in the draft I’d be over the moon. Really solid choices.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 16, 2012 5:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Love this
You got us possibly four starters and a good depth player at DE. Good stuff.
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
Here are the NFP rankings on the guys selected:
- Jeffrey: 11th best WR (they strongly dislike him)
- Thompson: 4th best DT (Behind Brockers, Still and Ta’amu)
- Johnson: 4th best DE (Behind Coples, Cox and Crick)
- Iloka: 2nd best SS (Behind Barron)
11th best?
I can see him maybe outside of the top five. But eleventh? Harsh
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
If I was Jeffery
That would be motivating me… The kid has talent he just needs the drive and I believe this team can give it to him
by rscott94 on Feb 16, 2012 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that means they see him as like a 3-4 round pick.
No way in hell.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
IMO, Jeffery is the #2 WR in this draft.
That’s crazy, rating him at #11. When it’s all settled, I think Alshon might be one of the best players to come out of this draft.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 16, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not really a fan of AJ, but 11?
Based on tangible measurements he’s gotta at least be top 5 WR prospect in the draft lol
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
I can understand people not wanting us to draft him...
But saying there are 10 WR’s in this draft better than him is absolute horse shit.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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by BW Smith on Feb 16, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No disrespect James....unlike all the rest who believe you can't do any wrong..........
The Cam Johnson pick should have been an O-line starter……but other than that I think you did well given the scenario. Johnson would have fell due to his sickle cell trait and inconsistency…..As I posted earlier, George I. was definitely a player that we needed to grab at the right time….But, I still question giving up next years first, which was a bonus, for what we got in return.
I somewhat agree
Mitchell Schwartz would have been a nice pick there.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
None taken
Mitchell Schwartz was a borderline 4th round pick until he participated in the senior bowl. Now all of a sudden with a few good workouts everyone is swooning, and I make it a point not to take those guys.
I had a rating of ‘High second round’ on Mike Adams, who I would have happily taken where I took Brandon Thompson, but it wasn’t to be. I had a ‘high third round’ rating on Mitchell Schwartz, but I wasn’t going to reach for him.
As for Cam Johnson, I have read a VAST amount of information about him and scouts are positing that the reason for his perceived ‘inconsistency’ was a lack of management of his sickle cell anemia. Everyone who has coached, dealt with, or worked with him have discussed a non-stop work ethic and heart for the game. Put him in the NFL with a training staff equipped to deal with it and it becomes a non issue like Ryan Grant’s that only becomes a problem in Denver.
I love the Cam Johnson pick
He’s actually very athletic, he has great speed(4.73) and he has an explosive first step for a guy his size(6’4 270)
Panther Pride 'till I die.
Yes, it's true but we have other needs....
especially at that spot.
by brettdigitty79 on Feb 16, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
None as glaring as on defense.
Although Lavonte David was still available at that pick, as was Ronnell Lewis.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
no, pretty sure he was released like 2-3 weeks after we piced him up.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 16, 2012 10:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
*picked
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by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 16, 2012 10:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
We still have Selvie...
And according to the official NFL depth chart he’s #3 behind Johnson with Norwood as the 4th
http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/depthchart?team=CAR
by James Dator on Feb 16, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
That roster is wrong.
It doesn’t even have Applewhite or Keiser on it. I just checked Panthers.com and Selvie isn’t on the roster.
Yeah... brain fart there
But the revolving door at DE kind of proves my point.
I like Keiser, but as our 3rd DE?
Keiser is a good 4th DE
But he is no 3rd DE. We have no 3rd DE, unless (as some people do), you consider Hardy a 3rd DE which means we have no 2nd DE.
you dont spend a 2nd round pick on a 3rd/4th DE
either take someone late or sign a cheap FA
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Good thing I expect him to start then
by James Dator on Feb 17, 2012 1:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Your virilant outrage about a prospect like this…. sorry, it just makes me lol
by James Dator on Feb 17, 2012 1:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
who said anything about an outrage
I dont dislike the player, i just dont think we need him. I also think he is a reach in the 2nd. IMO he is a 3rd rounder. Johnson and Hardy are fine as starters and Keiser makes a great rotational guy, if we need another we can use a late pick or sign a cheap FA.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
*Norwood.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Kreider is the future.
by Son of a Newton on Feb 16, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Great day today, Jamurney. Thompson is low-risk -- he'll definitely help the defensive front.
I hope Iloka is the Tight End stopper we need from the Safety slot. Godfrey did okay last year, but was just over-matched due to size. Iloka is tall and athletic enough to go man-to-man with Gonzo, Winslow, even Graham. Cam Johnson gives us much needed depth at DE (bigger and better than Norwood). I would be thrilled at this point.
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Cam Johnson pick equals garbage...............................
What is more important? A desperation pick or protecting your greatest investment?
It would have been a better choice to draft OL here.
Did this point really require three separate posts?
We get it, you don’t like the Cam Johnson pick.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
You're right, it is now.
Do you feel like you’ve gotten your point across yet?
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Your post is garbage.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
what if there were no OL rated as higher prospects than Cam Johnson?
I don’t know much about the guy, but what OL were still available that were definitely better than him? People talk about him upgrading the pass rush and adding depth, as well as good size and athleticism, so what is it about him that makes you think he’s garbage?
by usana_gaines on Feb 17, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
B
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Kreider is the future.
by Son of a Newton on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Admittedly, I was a little concerned after yesterday.
There’s already so much youth in our WR position that I don’t feel comfortable going for another one. And CB… dear God, we’re almost stacked there. I understand the reasoning for needing a bona fide #2 CB, but I want to see more of what Hogan may have, especially now with a regular offseason and OTAs and the like to really get into shape — his injury last year really inhibited us from seeing as much out of him as we’d like.
Today, however, I honestly think you made up for it. I don’t know anything about Cam Johnson, so I can’t say much there, but you’ve immediately upgraded the DL front with Thompson, from what little I’ve seen of his tape. And Iloka… I want to read up (and see) more on him, but having someone coming in to immediately challenge Sherrod Martin for FS, especially given the very little (but glowing) recommendations that have come over the last day or so, is pure win, IMO. Safety is where I really think we need the biggest upgrades, and if Iloka is as good as advertised, then I’m thrilled with that pick.
One question, though, James: is Mitchell Schwartz still on the board? If so, he should get a look for the offensive line — I’ve read some pretty good things about him, but he’s another one I want to educate myself on.
Schwartz isn't on the board.
You can see the whole mock here: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/forums/showthread.php?18467-2012-Twitter-Mock-1.0
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 16, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Damn.
Pardon my French. I was hoping he might be a potential pick for the 4th round, if he was still there. Sadly, I have no idea where his stock is right now.
He's trending as a high-mid 3rd round pick
I was working a trade to get another pick at the top of the 3rd to take him that involved trading Otah for a future 2nd and a 3rd this year, but I called it off when Schwartz was taken.
In short: The Falcons reached for him like crazy when they could have gotten a better CB to mitigate Brent Grimes’ eventual departure, but they didn’t.
Dare I ask how much more of their future did Atlanta mortgage to make that pick?
Especially given how the Julio Jones trade really seems to have bit them, at least thus far. I suppose if the Falcons want to reach (even in a mock draft), they certainly have their precedent set for it.
Like the George Iloka pick.
Iloka has the size to really be that kind of hybrid safety to match up with these basketball type of tight ends that are taking over the league.
I love that pick
great player and great value. I cant believe he fell that far.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
If anything remotely happens like this
I will kiss you James
This would be an excellent draft
In just 3 rounds we got a potential starter at corner, a red zone TD monster, some much needed competition at free safety, a pass rusher to rotate in, and some competition at DT? Wow. Way to flip those picks to get more. Find some help at OLB next and we are set. Yes, in a perfect world we would have went O-line instead of Thompson, but I understand how the board went there.
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Feb 16, 2012 8:58 PM EST reply actions
After review though, Lavonte David would have been a much needed pick though in the 2nd
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Feb 16, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
We already have Lavonte David though...
His name is Jordan Senn
by James Dator on Feb 16, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
no
I’m sorry but that assesment is waaaaay off. David is a legit cover linebacker.
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by Flowing Willow on Feb 16, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe in a Tampa two...
Which we’re not playing.
Not to mention the fact that teams are asking if he’s willing to play SS at the next level.
by James Dator on Feb 16, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I feel I should expand on this...
To me, David would have been a wasted pick. Jordan Senn is a proven commodity and he’s a very similar player, except while David is more explosive, Senn is a more reliable tackler.
Then we have Thomas Davis, who could be healthy. To me, if you plan to move forward at OLB at all with Davis then it’s a wasted pick to spend a 2nd rounder on a guy to back him up.
by James Dator on Feb 16, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Senn Is A Good Special Teamer, But He Can't Defend The Pass At All
Seen got burnt for 100 yards receiving by himself in a game or 2.
by PanthersRoar on Feb 16, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Any scheme.
He’s very similar to TD, put him in an NFL strength program and he can develop into a similar player. Not to mention our linebacker depth is shaky now, since we’re losing Connor and have a plethora of players coming back from injury. David’s upside is also much higher than Senn’s, tackling notwithstanding. Senn will never be better than what he is now, a solid downhill player, but lost in space. David has the skillset to be a rangy, all over the field type guy.
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by Flowing Willow on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not a fan of Fua at all
He gets no push. The only reason he ever attracts a second blocker is when we dont send extra guys in so the offensive guy just moves to the nearest wide body so he doesnt look bad in the film room.
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 16, 2012 9:51 PM EST reply actions
He was a rookie, coming into the season with an abbreviated offseason.
IMO, He still has at least two years before qualifying as a mistake.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Kreider is the future.
by Son of a Newton on Feb 16, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
He had 7 games in a row without a tackle
a starter not having a single tackle for 7 consecutive games
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I like these picks
I would have done it a bit differently but this would be a solid draft. The draft as a whole though seems a bit crazy with lots of trades…. I also don’t see Cinci, the Jets or even the Browns passin richardson up
"One step at a time"
by mcdonaldwr on Feb 16, 2012 10:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like these picks
I would have done it a bit differently but this would be a solid draft. The draft as a whole though seems a bit crazy with lots of trades…. I also don’t see Cinci, the Jets or even the Browns passin richardson up
"One step at a time"
by mcdonaldwr on Feb 16, 2012 10:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
OLB vs. Cam Johnson
Would have given you an A had we picked up an OLB instead of Cam Johnson. Nice job, however!
I actually really hate the alshon jeffery trade
I agree that he is being undervalued, but I still wouldnt take him with a 1st round pick, which basically happened. outside of that trade/pick, AMAZING draft.
Actually, I took Jeffrey, Williams, Cam Johnson and Iloka with our #1 pick… if we’re being accurate.
by James Dator on Feb 16, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I still have not gotten in to Draft mode but I wonder if we can fax this stuff to
1 Panther Plaza and see if the Big Cat bites.
Truthful interesting picks and more important that all anwser a need while I belive going for BPA as well. A 6-4 saftey sound like a beast, but it would be his wingspan and reach that would benifit him more than speed so he has to have asound head not to get himself in trouble. This gets me my football fix for the mourning.
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I meant specifically the 2nd trade
The one where you traded the 2013 1st round pick from the jets to the rams to get Alshon Jeffrey. Its just my opinion that he’s not worth a 1st rounder. If you had done all that getting basically 3 starters and a very valuable DE added to our defense, AND picked up an extra 1st rounder for the next year, it would’ve been epic. But i don’t always agree with Hurney.
God Job James!!!
I like some picks, I absolutely hate some of them. But overall it’s something I can live with if the Panthers go this way.
CB Kyle Wilson – Don’t know how good he will be. But it does provide good competition for Hogan, Butler and Captain. So I like it.
WR Alshon Jeffrey – I don’t like this at all. Probably would have liked to keep that 1st round pick for next year, when we would be looking to add couple of elite pieces for the SB push.
DT Brandon Thompson – I am not too keen on getting a DT. However, he should allow us to release Ron Edwards and save some cap space. Another year of young DT’s growing together, with a full offseason behind them.
DE Cam Johnson – Don’t know much about him, though I do agree we need help in this position a lot. It is a pure need based pick for me. So I am good with this.
FS George Iloka – Your bext pick in this draft. Absulte need for us and an excellent player to boot.
I hope you are looking at getting us a Punter in the last few rounds. Rest, you can pick anyone you think who could be a project.
Is Jonathan Martin that good a OT?
Jets gave up a lot to us to get this guy. Is he really that good?
Are we missing a gem by not going for him?
Am I seeing this right that LaMichael James and Chris Polk are still on the board?
That shocks me, watching UW as much as I do Polk is so solid. He runs hard and gets yards. This late I would be tempted to take him even though he isnt a huge need. I would also consider trading up for James.
B - I think I would have taken Crick at 40
What happened after that I’m not sure but love the IIoka pick in the third.
CAN'T WAIT!
The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far is as needed? - El Duche
All my picks are done...
Full writeup tonight. But here’s the dirty breakdown.
Traded the 6th, 7th and a 6th in 2013 to get a high 5th rounder.
Took OLB Terrell Manning with our 5th.
Traded the 5th I got in the trade along with a 2013 5th, 7th and Jimmy Clausen for OT Joseph Barksdale.
2012 draft done
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