Mocking In The Free World- Call Me A Moron In 24hrs
by James Dator on Feb 14, 2012 6:46 PM EST
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PrintStarting tomorrow I get to play Marty Hurney for the week as I am representing the Panthers in The National Football Post Twitter Mock Draft. This is going to be a full 7 round mock, so I'm currently boning up and selecting some late round gems.
The length of the draft entirely depends on how well the 32 GMs have themselves together. Theoretically we should be through at least two rounds by tomorrow night, at which point I'll give you an update. I will ensure there are a few posts so there will be plenty of opportunities to make fun of me for ill advised picks.
As it stands I'm shopping the #8 pick and have some interest. I don't want to touch drafting where we are if I can get a good return on the pick. So far I've had some nibbles- presumably from teams interested in taking Ryan Tannehill or wanting OL help, so it should be a fun 1st round to watch. Even though this is only for one year I am able to trade for future picks in a theoretical sense, so my plan is to play it like Hurney would and maximize the pick value without getting taken for a ride.
So first poll out of the gate:
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Okay, so I want to get the input of our community here
I have the chance to trade the #8 pick for a 2014 1st rounder, two mid-level players at need positions and add a 3rd rounder.
The team trading are in the teens right now, and I believe they’re poised to get worse by the time 2014 rolls around
Who are the two mid-level players and why aren't you getting their first rounder in return?
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Yeah, I need details.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still.
by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
True that.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still.
by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
I would be getting their 2014 1st rounder...
The GM was insistent on needing two 1sts this year.
We’re kind of bound not to disclose names but I believe one of the mid-level players could easily develop into a starter, the other has a more outside chance but would be valuable.
As it stands if he includes their 2nd rounder it’s done… if not we’re not dealing
What position are these players?
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still.
by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
He already said he isn’t supposed to name names…
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
It’s probably going to fall through… as soon as it does I’ll divulge.
One player was a 1st round pick in 2010, the other is undrafted but has vastly outperformed this
I think I just figured it out.
I don’t really value the corner. He seems to be more of a nickel back, but that may be because of who he was playing behind.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think Wilson. But I'm not sure about the OLB.
Frankly, I don’t know if we can bet on the Jets depreciating over the next couple of years.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
And the OLB would be Mauga or McIntyre.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they seem like depth guys to me.
But then again, I don’t know much about the Jets Reserve LB’s.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
If It's CB Kyle Wilson (5-10, 194, 4.43-40 PD) He Was Their #29 Pick In The 2010 1st Round
I like Wison’s talent, but not his height. However, Wilson and Hogan wold solve the Panthers #2 CB need for 2012.
It might cost the Panthers anny chance at getting a top pass rusher in the 2012 draft, and waiting 2 years to get their 1st round pick is a long time. I would feel much better if it were for their 2013 1st round pick.
by PanthersRoar on Feb 14, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just getting tired of short CBs
we only have one 5’11+ CB.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Nothing wrong with 'short' CBs.
9 times out of 10 they’re more talented than the 6’+ guys.
The problem we have is that Cpt isn’t athletic enough to play #1 or #2 CB in the NFL so he’s tainted everyone’s view. Butler is a good CB for example. So is Hogan. They’re both under 6’.
But as the old saying goes, “You can’t cover anyone forever”. Improving the pass rush is a must this off season. Even if I think Jenkins is probably the best player we can pick up at #8.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I agree.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I still say I don't do it.
We can pick up a potential shutdown CB with our current pick, and a decent OLB can be found in the later rounds.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Moss and TO
The other gm signed them before the draft
by TXPanther on Feb 14, 2012 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
absolutley no!!! dont do it james
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Take it. I assume you're getting their first as well. Go for it.
"Love is like a booger. You keep picking at it until you get it, then wonder what to do with it." : Author Unknown
depends on who the players are but so far i dont like it
we have a top 10 pick, worth much more than a future 1st and a 3rd. put it this way. a current 2nd round pick is equal to a future first. so you would trade our top 10 1st for a 2nd and a 3rd?
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Your forget we'd have two picks in 2014 in the 1st
It’s delaying our 1st round pick two years to get an additional 2nd and 3rd rounder as well as adding two players at need positions.
oh, in that case than hell no
a 2014 (2 years from now) 1st round pick has the value of a current late 2nd or early 3rd. Again, thats like giving our first away for a late 2nd and a 3rd. not worth it there. and you are being way too vague when talking abouth the players involved, if they are good than maybe, but it depends.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
How is a first in 2014 equal to a late 2nd-early 3rd? You never know what player could be in 2014. Let’s say you get Sammy Watkins and still have another first in 2014? I would say that’s worth it.
by JStewart28 on Feb 14, 2012 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats just how trade value translates
an early-mid 2nd is worth a 1 year future 1st. a 2 year future 1st is worth less than that
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
I guess it's a finance sector thing - i.e. the future is worth less than the now.
I’ve never understood that to be quite honest, but then I haven’t f’d the economy up either.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
one ting that i like about the 2 picks in 14 is i the kid from s. c. comes out his junio year. the DE from rock hill whose name eludes me right now.
if we could pick him up that year it would be back to dominance on our d line if he keeps moving in the right direction.
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 14, 2012 8:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah, jadeveon clowney.
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 14, 2012 11:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah, jadaveon clowney.
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 14, 2012 11:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I like that idea.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
In the abstract, it sounds reasonable...
but what exactly is mid-level. Are you talking potential starters or more solid depth players?
Also, the players’ contracts would be important given the revelation that we’re significantly above the cap.
I would vote no...
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php
Pick value is 1400 pts… i would say a mid-late 1st and 3rd rounder in this years draft at a minimum
by TXPanther on Feb 14, 2012 7:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That's a lot of value
I would personally go for it. Pick up Mark Barron with the late teen pick. Although its tough to wait, I think that2014 the 2014 early 1st rounder would be clutch considering we all hope the panthers will be picking in the later parts of the first round (maybe 32!) during the rivERA.
by jmob on Feb 14, 2012 7:10 PM EST via Android app reply actions
For "mid-level", I don't believe you got enough.
I realize we can’t get as much as Marty gives away, but for the #8, I’d want, besides next year’s 1, something along the lines of a 2 and a 4.
I had actually been hoping for a trade-down — either a low 1 and 2 or mid 1 and 3 (this year).
I voted yes but I was assuming oyu mean trade our first for their first and the rest of the other picks.
I would want to stay in the first round this year and would trade it for a teen pick this year, third this year and their first in 2014.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
I voted yes
I wouldnt mind giving up a first for multiples in this draft where there really are no players that are cant miss at positions we need.
IMO, we need an impact player if we hope to make the playoffs this year.
And I’m not sure that trading away our last top ten pick for the immediate future is the correct thing to do. But then again, it depends on who is in the trade, and whether or not we receive the opposite party’s first rounder this year.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still.
by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 7:30 PM EST reply actions
no!
Dammit james don’t you give our first round pick away unless we’re getting a first rounder in return this year and next year! Drive a hard bargain. Better yet draft couples!
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 7:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still.
by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
The more i think about it...
the more I wonder if we aren’t considering trading up to get Claibourne. i just like him so much more than DreK.
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Feb 14, 2012 7:39 PM EST reply actions
i would give a 3rd to move up
but that might not be enough, plus we dont have a 3rd.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
without a 1st this year i say absolutely no.
our window at getting smitty a ring is closing. if we cant add enough talent soon we lessen his chances.
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 14, 2012 7:47 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Put another way for arguments sake...
We give up the #8 pick for a 3rd, two JAG’s and an unknown 2014 1st…?
by TXPanther on Feb 14, 2012 7:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Didn't see your update before posting
I agree with the 2nd round stipulation.
by TXPanther on Feb 14, 2012 8:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
still no
Take a definite top 10 now rather than an unkown 1st later. There’s some awesome talent in the first this year. Whoever is trying to trade with you is gonna be laughing all the way to the bank. Plus seeing as this hypothetical why trade for future draft picks unless this is going to be an ongoing year in year out thing. Draft now! I don’t wanna wait a year!
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
with the 2nd i would strongly consider it
we give 8/9
we get 2014 1st, 2012 2nd, 2012 3rd, and potentially starter CB (definitely a very good Nickel)
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
how many good nickles do we need.
We don’t need a good nickel we need a good starter. Is this small cb… Which we have in abundance better than the second round cb prospects we could pick up. This is crazy I can’t believe people would consider this a good trade. Do NoT WaNt
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 10:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would insist on adding in one of their starting safeties. Or their 2nd rounder.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I insisted on the 2nd rounder...
So the deal in total would be:
Panthers send 2012 1st round pick (#8 over)
send 2014 1st round pick, 2012 2nd round pick, 2012 3rd round pick and two playersCan we throw in the Bobcats for their 5th round pick?
by TXPanther on Feb 14, 2012 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'm still iffy with that
could you add a 2nd or 3rd for 2013 as well?
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
I guess I would roll with that, but it's real close.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I like the trade, but...
It would have to be next years first rounder not 2014!
by Panthster on Feb 15, 2012 9:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dunno, I like some of the '14 players, i.e. Clowney and Watkins.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
id like to see this come back at the end of next season and compare ur picks to our actual picks. would make for some interesting stuff imo.
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 14, 2012 8:00 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Congradulations For Being Selected To Make The Pick & Let Me Put In A Plug For A Player
Houston OLB Sammy Brown (6-2, 243, 4.67-40) lead the nation in TFL’s in 2011 with 30, had 14 sacks, and 88 tackles. He’s not invited to the Combine, and only ranked as the drafts 353rd best player by nfldraftscout.com., but I feel you can’t put up those type numbers without having some talent. I think he’s worth a 7th round pick.
Pull the trigger....
unless the first round pick is Brandon Graham’s worthless ass.
I wouldn't do it considering its a mock draft
but in real life I might consider it.
Okay... here is the trade as currently proposed:
New York Jets get: #8 overall pick, 2012 4th round pick, FS Jordan Pugh
Carolina Panthers get: 2013 1st round pick, 2012 2nd round pick, 2012 3rd round pick, CB Kyle Wilson, OLB Jamaal Westerman
For those interested:
- Wilson was the 29th pick in the 2010 draft. Seen as a definite starter on most teams, just impossible behind Revis and Cromartie
- Jamaal Westerman played in limited time this year, but he totaled 32 tackles, 3.5 sacks and 2 FF
by James Dator on Feb 14, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
well... my heart is still saying i would prefer an awesome pass rusher
Why is our 2014 pick in there? I dunno james. I don’t like this. Where’s a picture of donald trump saying ’you’re fired’ when you need it :)
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
both salaries are affordable...
We would probably cut Munnerlyn if a trade like this was offered.
by TXPanther on Feb 14, 2012 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that makes it even worse
We want to get to the playoffs now, not in 2014. How are we gonna convince cam/smitty/the fan base that we’re a positive aggressive team if we give up our main outlet of team building. We are a build through the draft team, this is building through trades and acquisition. I get that there’s picks down the line but this trade makes me think the panthers will have another mediocre season.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
to clarify
For me at the 8th pick there are some projected elite players likely available. Yes there’s still talent to be had in the second but not the likes of claibourne, coples, brockers… Whoever it is that you REALLY like.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 10:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sure... but I'm trying to play this like Hurney
With one more season to wait and see you can really determine if Greg Hardy can start, you can really see if McClain/Fua can be starters and you get to see if Brandon Hogan was worth the risk. Basically you get to have your cake and eat it too: improve the team and develop your players while only delaying getting that elite player.
Even if the Jets’ 1st ends up being a #20 next year we could package both 1sts to move up into the top 10 and get an elite talent, plus you’ve added a lot more talent with the 2nd and 3rd round picks.
by James Dator on Feb 14, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
if we traded up we would be basically losing a 1st round pick
If we bring another potentially (he’s still unproven as a starter) talented cb we could stunt hogan’s development. For me, we already know hardy isn’t an every down DE. Let me put it this way, if you drafted coples and gilmore/minnifield now our defence would be massively improved, you still give mcclain and fua time to develop. You cut edwards…. Hogan proves his worth in the nickle and takes PR duties (could emerge as gamble’s future heir) we go to the play offs next year and everybody lives happily ever after. Doesn’t that make any sense to anybody?
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 11:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't like the idea of not picking until 40 or 41 this year.
The rest of it is very enticing. Rather obvious, unhelpful statement, I guess, but that’s why I’d lean towards ‘no.’
We need a nose tackle.
Its a crab shoot
All the good defensive players could be gone by then or we get everybody we wanted/needed and a free first rounder to boot. Who knows…
by Panthster on Feb 15, 2012 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah it's definitely a "crab" shoot
by keebler elf on Feb 15, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
CHOOT 'EM LIZZABET! CHOOT 'EM!
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love swamp people! but those are some crazy ass cajuns!
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by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 15, 2012 10:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah...
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But I do love watching that show.
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I seriously want to go do it
I’d love that stuff.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 15, 2012 12:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Have fun. Send me a post card.
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
cant you wait until we see who is avaiable at the time before making a final decision?
This seems rash to me without knowing whose available. Keep the pick james. The jets would absolutely love this trade
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I say no
top 10 picks are hard to come by. if this deal were for a mid round pick, i’d go with it. Also, we still only get 2 first rounders in the next 2 years with this trade. Hurney(you) does well in the first round, so I’d prefer to keep him there for 3 picks. Which isnt unreasonable. #8 for their 2012 1st, and 2013 1st. Possibly more, but I’d work from there. If he insists on keeping the 2012 1st then say that you prefer on keeping your #8 but thats how a trade works.
Meh, do it.
Just address the D-line with one of those 2nd round picks!
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
By the way, use those two 2nd's on whoever is left between Poe, Ta'amu, Brockers, Still, and Chapman
Use the 3rd rounders on Criner and Joe Adams
I like Adams and Criner.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i'd do that
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Feb 15, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
If you take the trade, I'd be happy with
2a: Jared Crick (DE)
2b: Ta’amu/Poe (DT)
3: Robert Lester/Markelle Martin (S)
4: Danny Trevathan (OLB)
5: Mitchell Schwartz (OT)
And then Kyle Wilson could be our 2nd CB and Hogan would be nickel unless/until he proved to be our 2nd CB. The only reason I would keep the first is to pick up either Brockers or Coples (too much depth in the CB this year to waste a 1st rounder on it), neither of which we the fans know enough about to say if they are worth the pick. Now if you had the inside track like Hurney does, you might know one of those players was worth not trading, but as none of us do, I’d be willing to lose them to pick up what you’re getting as both of those might have bust written all over them, and Crick & Ta’amu/Poe both could be better than their respective first round talent. That said, I’m not sure we’d be able to pick up both Crick and Ta’amu/Poe.
I like this draft!
I don’t think we have to have a first round this year as most of my favorites are slated in the second round anyway. Good year to trade back.
I would add Mercilus to that list in the second with Crick or Still.
by Panthster on Feb 15, 2012 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In this trade we give up our 4th rounder.
And Schwartz has moved up into the late 2nd round. But otherwise, I agree with you.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't realize Schwartz had moved up so far
Accursed Senior Bowl!
Yeah, lol.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
We need another second... Can we get like 3 ot 4 second round picks?
We could trade them Sherrod Martin for one, Pickles and Thats Amare for another… What else can we trade? A signed Cam Newton rookie card? Future 2020 picks (after Cam retires)?
I say go for it. Since we are playing hypotheticals and I’m board. Let’s say that the jets get manning (which I don’t believe will happen) would that change the trade in any way?
by taichong on Feb 15, 2012 8:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If everything stays where its at and a trade can’t be done what would be your move then?
by taichong on Feb 15, 2012 8:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Thats prolly cause everytime I vote, I change my mind
j/k
by Panthster on Feb 15, 2012 9:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
i cant vote on my phone but im a defo no
In case you hadn’t noticed
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by LimeyPanther on Feb 15, 2012 10:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The only problem I see with the trade is this...
If this was an ongoing annual event, then yes I would make the trade, but it’s not. It would be a hypothetical trade in which we would give up our first rounder this year for future year picks, which we will never see. It’s a one draft event and we will simply be giving away our #8 pick for a 2nd and 3rd round pick. It doesn’t add up, James.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Feb 15, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions
He took the trade...
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/forums/showthread.php?18467-2012-Twitter-Mock-1.0
The Jets took OL Johnathan Martin… now James can trade our ’13 1st rounder for a third 2nd rounder this year. Lol
by TXPanther on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Figured they would have gone Richardson there
But I guess DeBrickashaw won’t be on that left side forever
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by Imisshooooooooov on Feb 15, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Is there a way to follow this? I used your link and have been refreshing it and no picks have been made over the last 30 minutes or so.
by JStewart28 on Feb 15, 2012 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow... they traded up to get Martin?
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Nice trade by the Vikings and I give James an A-
TRADES:
#SEATTLE trades its 12th and 43rd picks and a 2013 1st round pick to the #VIKINGS for the 3rd pick #NFPMOCK1
#BUCS trade 5th overall to #JAGUARS for the 7th, 38th, 71st, and 135th picks AND a 2013 2nd rd pick #NFPMOCK1
#PANTHERS send 9th, 105th, and FS Jordan Pugh for #JETS 2013 1st, 2012 47th, 78th picks and CB Kyle Wilson #NFPMOCK1
by TXPanther on Feb 15, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Whoever the Jaguars GM is an idiot. 4 picks to move up 2 spots, I don’t see how that happens unless RGIII is available.
Yeah the only way I make that move is if I'm getting someone like Matt Kalil or RGIII
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Just checked and they did it for Blackmon?
If you want an potential elite receiver I would go after Bowe or VJax instead of giving up all of that.
LMAO!
They traded that much for Blackmon?! Is PT the fantasy GM of the Jags?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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by BW Smith on Feb 15, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
LOL!
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 15, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
they should have vetoed it
It is just silly
by TXPanther on Feb 15, 2012 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
F----- for the Jags
And the Jags gave the Bucs a Walker/Williams deal. Geez
by TXPanther on Feb 15, 2012 10:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't have made that trade
I think we could have made a little better trade, maybe the Jets suck and we would get a top 10 next year.
by Smith is alegend on Feb 15, 2012 10:36 AM EST reply actions
I can see why the trade makes sense though...
We got Kyle Wilson, who is a 1st round CB (a position of need who’s behind Revis and Cromartie on the depth chart, so the reason he’s not playing isn’t because he isn’t any good), and an OLB whose name I forgot…but we can always use depth at LB and we need ST help too. Plus, we get two second rounders that we can use to get good value on DT’s and/or WR’s who fall out of the first round, and we get a 3rd rounder.
The deal isn’t that bad when you look at it that way.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Its a good trade
I just think we could have gotten more. I dont know though. I wasn’t in the war room. Kyle Wilson is a good player, so I am happy with that.
by Smith is alegend on Feb 15, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
its a bad trade
8 is an elite prospect type not a good player. When you look at the other trades its poor value. Still I’m sure james was doing what he thought was best for the panthers. I just disagree
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by LimeyPanther on Feb 15, 2012 11:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wilson had a good year and is an upgrade.
I assume the 2nd player was taken out when their 1st was bumped up to next years. The only thing I would have fought for would have been to keep the 4th rounder. Of course, now the Jets get Manning and cruise to the SB.
by TXPanther on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well you can look at it this was
we were expected to take Kirkpatrick. so we basically traded Kikrpatrick and a 4th for Wilson, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 2013 1st. pretty decent deal
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
kirkpatrick still available
And james is trying to trade back into the first. Gotta love twitter on rainy days
by TXPanther on Feb 15, 2012 11:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
cowboy gm made a good trade
Picked up an additional 3rd rd pick and still got kirkpatrick at 18
by TXPanther on Feb 15, 2012 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For me it really depends on I feel the Jets may end up next year.
If they sign Peyton then I wouldn’t do it but otherwise I would wait until my turn to pick to make sure an elite talent didn’t drop like Kalil and if not then it’s not a bad move.
I could see them picking just about anywhere next year
With Sanchez and an aging Defense i feel kinda safe. I expect them to be picking 10-15 next year if i had to guess
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
But how do you rate the pick now?
Do you wait and see who comes next year at that pick you got in 2013? Do you see how the players you got in the trade work out for the team when they probably won’t be traded to the team in reality? You have no first round pick to evaluate where ever he goes now.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
My thinking is, I thought a mock draft is what you think the team will do in reality.
Would they take that trade? Maybe. But what are the odds that trade offer actually happens? I don’t see it actually happening.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
If you think the reality is they would take that trade offer
Then you would be doing your best to mimic what they would do in reality. I’m sure the Jets GM knows more about what the Jets real GM would do then we do, so we have to go off what he is offering as he is the “expert” on the Jets real GM here. Is it likely, probably not. But James has to behave within the reality in which the other GMs are presenting him.
Like I said, I don't see that situation happening.
I thought a mock draft is like I said, to predict the actual future. I do not believe this guy playing Jets gm knows the plans for any of their players any more than we know the future of ours. If I were to do a mock draft, I would have to eliminate any trades just because how often do people predict a trade and it work out like they predicted? Even if your pick ends up traded, it is even more unlikely the exact trade happens. And, when you get that first pick next year, no1 else is going to be talking about that draft because most of the picks won’t happen as predicted this year.
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How often do people pick the correct draft picks anyhow
It is a near crap shoot rather you are picking a player or trading. Jets GM presented us a trade and James jumped on it. James clearly thought if Hurney was presented that trade he woudl jump on it too. I mean James would be going against predicting the future if he purposefully did something he didn’t think Hurney would do just because it was unlikely.
that goes against what I said the purpose is to me.
From my first thought about it,
My thinking is, I thought a mock draft is what you think the team will do in reality.
If thats what you are trying to do, predict what will happen, then taking an offer that most likely won’t happen is well, fraudulent mocking. Think about it like this.
The guy picking for the Jets just got himself 2 first round picks and doesn’t really have to give away anything in the future. Unless this is an ongoing draft thing, with the same people every year, which I was believing it is not. In 2013, do you think the Bucs are going to give the Panthers their first round pick? Or whoever is picking in the mock draft for the Bucs?
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
Let me be clear here, I was asking how you grade a mock draft like this 1.
This is as James said, what he would do if he were Hurney, not what he thinks will actually happen. And my question was, how do you grade it when you have so many factors with trades?
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Detroit
Just got Melvin Ingram at 22. Big value pick for them. Alshon Jeffrey and Brockers still on the board.
by JStewart28 on Feb 15, 2012 1:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Talking to 3 different GMs at once... lol
Trying to move back in now.
Nobody fell in the top 10,which is why I pulled the trigger. Couldn’t justify with most of the people gone I liked. I have Wilson rated around the same as Hosley or Minnifield, so I think we get better right away
by James Dator on Feb 15, 2012 1:42 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Grab Brockers
if he is still there whenever you draft next. I can understand people’s hesitation on grabbing him in the top 10, but if you can grab him in the second round I think it is a must.
Well dang
Ta’amu, Brockers and Poe taken in succession. Barron or AJ would still be great picks if they fall to us though.
Barron wouldn't be a bad pick
There are alot of people still out there that I like :)
by Smith is alegend on Feb 15, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of lineman taken so far. Brockers and AJ still there as well as Barron.
by JStewart28 on Feb 15, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
D Lineman just made a run. Ingram, Ta’amu, Brockers, and Poe just all went in a row.
by JStewart28 on Feb 15, 2012 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So how did you rank the CBs in this draft?
Just curious since you took Wilson instead of drafting Jenkins or Kirkpatrick
by Smith is alegend on Feb 15, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson was a 2010 first round pick
I got him from the Jets
by James Dator on Feb 15, 2012 2:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I know he was
You said you had Wilson rated around the same as Hosley or Minnifield. So, I was just wondering what your CB ranking were.
by Smith is alegend on Feb 15, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
coples was avaliable
You have to take the premium pass rusher in the draft at 8. If he wasn’t available I would have got behind this deal.
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by LimeyPanther on Feb 15, 2012 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Big assumption
That he’s a premium pass rusher and not mediocre.
People didn’t start swooning until the senior bowl. Red Flag to me
by James Dator on Feb 15, 2012 3:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
But he dominated James Madison AND Duke...
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
listen you two...
Don’t you get all ‘team editors’ on me :). Coples is regarded pretty across the board as the best defensive end in the draft. James you’ve said yourself that hardy might not be more than a situational pass rusher. Coples spent half the year adapting his game to a new position I expect big things from him. Also I hear that cam newton being a success was a big assumption and that worked out well for us. I like this gamble attitude the coaching staff displayed on newton and hogan and I think it could pay dividends for us in the future. Take a chance that you’re gonna get a dominant pass rusher. It’ll make the world of difference if it pays off
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by LimeyPanther on Feb 15, 2012 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
When I was in 6th grade, I was the best kid on my little league baseball team. We went 2-16, and the two wins were via forfeit. Being the best DE in a draft full of mediocre DE’s doesn’t mean all that much, unfortunately.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
The difference between Cam and Coples is that the former showed dominance at his college position… the latter didn’t.
7.5 sacks is great, until you realize four of them came against the aforementioned James Madison and Duke. We saw a similar pattern to this a few years ago where a player with a questionable motor and dominant games against bad competition became a top 10 pick- Vernon Gholston never made it.
He scares me waaaay too much to invest a top 10 pick.
He's like a less talented Peppers in my opinion
same motor issues without as much tremendous upside
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
This is exactly what he is.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Gholston is the poster child for "don't let the Combine results dictate your draft board".
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well....
I’d rather look at a poster of this:
Than a poster of this:
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
we havent even had the combine yet
How can you compare gholston to coples already. That’s doing him a bit of an injustice in my opinion. Surely its guilty until proven innocent?? Who would you rather we draft? DreK? The stoned cb who’ll probably end up a safety?
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by LimeyPanther on Feb 15, 2012 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we havent even had the combine yet
How can you compare gholston to coples already. That’s doing him a bit of an injustice in my opinion. Surely its guilty until proven innocent?? Though I agree if the scouts don’t like what they see we should leave well alone. Who would you rather we draft? DreK? The stoned cb who’ll probably end up a safety?
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by LimeyPanther on Feb 15, 2012 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wtf happened there?
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 15, 2012 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bruce Irvin is still there
He could be a nice pick up with the 78th pick
by Smith is alegend on Feb 15, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions
Note to Hurney:
If you’re thinking about getting a first or second round DT talent, don’t trade past 20. You go from all the choice in the world to none <_<
You aren't kidding
Im surprised Vinny Curry went that high. I figured he would be a early to mid 2nd rounder.
by Smith is alegend on Feb 15, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm okay with it honestly
There are still players I like later. This is a deep DL draft, but not alot of elite guys
by James Dator on Feb 15, 2012 2:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think this is a deep draft without a lot of elite players
in most positions honestly. I agree though, there are some good players left in a number of need positions for us.
James, are you gonna make a poll to check interest when it gets close to your pick, or are you just gonna go for it?
Okay, so I made another trade
I moved the Jets first from 2013 and got the #33 I used to take Alshon Jeffrey.
The value was too good and I still have two 2nds and a third to use today
by James Dator on Feb 15, 2012 3:43 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Who are you considering?
Unless you don’t want to say for fear of other GMs prying eyes!
Right now...
My targets are Zach Brown, Mark Barron and Chase Minnifield… pure BPA
by James Dator on Feb 15, 2012 3:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Now that we have Wilson, I'd probably go with Brown.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
or Barron...we do need help at safety
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
having picked up wilson already,
i would definitely go either barron or brown. if u get brown or someone else but not barron i would definitely look for iiloka in later rounds.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Feb 15, 2012 4:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Markelle Martin ot George Iloka in the 3rd
so far we have a CB and a WR. the DTs have dried up a bit. Definitely would take Brown if available with the 1st 2nd.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
You have done well, grasshopper.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Good moves man.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
i dont like that trade
he had goos vlaue at the spot but noth worth it IMO
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
And i would rather have Brown there
Jefferey could very well have slid and Jones would probably be available later
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Damn, there goes Barron
Philly got him. How many DBs does one team need, geez!
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by Tarheel Soldier on Feb 15, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions
He's hurt and bad in coverage anyway
i’d rather get Markelle Martin or George Iloka later 2nd-early 3rd.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Don't forget about Lavonte David (OLB), Ronnel Lewis (OLB), Harrison Smith (SS) he's the guy TONS of people are very high on and was listed as the #2 safety behind barron prior to his injury update,
Then there’s Brandon Thompson (DT), Stephon Gilmore (CB) a tall one for once, Jayron Hosely (CB)
I know we got another CB in Kyle Wilson, but we could still stand to use another
That would give us:
Gamble
Wilson
Hogan
Munny
Butler
????
Another good one would possibly round out this group for many years and once Munny or Butler’s contracts are up if we don’t resign one of them we’d still be set.
5 deep isnt enough?
this seems pretty solid to me, but i wouldnt mind picking up Harris in the 3rd/4th
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Yeah 5 is deep enough, but you've seen what our DB coordinator has said about how deep this draft is regarding quality corners
And if James IS sticking with the Panther’s “strategy” of BPA then it’s very likely another CB will be the BPA, and like I said, another CB would get the chance to compete for a spot (winning one if he really is that good and getting a year to sit and learn while Munny and Butler play out the final years of their contracts).
Just say no to Gilmore.
He couldn’t locate the ball in the air if it were screaming his name and waving a flag on it’s way to the receiver.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
by BW Smith on Feb 15, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Judie?
Coryell Judie was solid for A&M this season and you could probably wait till fouth or fith round to get him.
Longoria is the next Brooks Robinson
How about LaMichael James in the 3rd?
He could be straight up scary in our offense.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions
Nicely done. This cliche' accomplishes two goals...
It tells that we have more pressing needs, and it also pokes fun at L. James’ small size.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Agreed.
I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Bucs took Brown
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I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Fun fact:
I kind of hid my real target because I’m led to believe the other GMs are reading people’s blogs etc
Oh darn...
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Hey guys, let's just give James' pick away. It's not like he's trying to hide it and all.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
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I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still. Member of the Copleites
by Son of a Newton on Feb 15, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, It was his turn to pick right when it turned 5 and he hadn't said whether he was going to wait until 8 tomorrow or draft in a minute so I figured he was going to make his pick.
Yeah MAYBE others are looking here but what the hell does it matter. James went on and posted a whole damn article about his moves and mentioned the positions he’s interested in. It’s pretty damn easy to look at a list and see the top players remaining. C’mon man!!
Lavonte David or Brandon Thompson with 40th pick.
by JStewart28 on Feb 15, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like how you got back into the first and now have the extra second, and a third, good job.
I still don’t see hwo people are supposed to evaluate a mock draft when some picks are future picks. Now all your picks can be evaluated this year (whether on the Panthers or another team) amd we can see if they may have helped the team. All the people trading for future picks will have nothing for that pick to show.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
I guess you're supposed to use your imagination with the future picks.
If you will.
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