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Mocking In The Free World: Russ Lande's Top 15

Yesterday we took a look at the top 15 players of the 2012 draft according to the NFL Network's Gil Brandt. This morning we're seeing what Russ Lande of the Sporting News has to say about the top prospects. In his last two mocks Rang had the Panthers selecting Devon Still and Michael Brockers respectively. I think you'll agree that Lande's top 15 is very different to what we saw from Brandt.

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford. He's as close to Peyton Manning as the Indianapolis Colts are going to get. Luck has great football intelligence, poise in the pocket and is competitive.

2. Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor. Griffin is in a virtual tie with Luck as the best player in the draft. He has excellent arm strength, accuracy and is off the charts when it comes to leadership and smarts.

3. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama. Richardson will likely not go in the top five because of specific team needs at the top of the draft, but he's has the ability to be dominant inside runner and game-changer on the edge.

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4. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU. Claiborne is a better cornerback prospect than his former teammate Patrick Peterson from a year ago.

5. Matt Kalil, OT, Southern Cal. The best offensive line prospect in the draft, Kalil is already a dominant pass protector.

6. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State. While Blackmon lacks "wow" speed, he is a powerful receiver with deceptive athleticism.

7. Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College. Kuechly made a smart decision to come out early for a draft with no other elite linebackers to challenge him. NFL scouts have told us he reminds them of Brian Urlacher.

8. Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina. Coples is 6-6 and explosive. He showed at the Senior Bowl that he can beat offensive tackles with power and speed. He reminded many of Julius Peppers.

9. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame. Floyd's two alcohol arrests could knock him down draft boards, but he's an elite prospect with great size at 6-3.

10. Devon Still, DT, Penn State. Still has the tools to be a productive starter as a defensive end in a 3-4 scheme or a tackle in a 4-3.

11. David DeCastro, G, Stanford. While guards rarely go this high, DeCastro deserves consideration because of his foot quickness, agility and balance.

12. Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina. While many rank Courtney Upshaw as the best 3-4 outside linebacker prospect, Ingram is the more explosive athlete with better pass-rush skills.

13. Michael Brockers, DT, LSU. Brockers is quick off the snap with the long arms and strength to be a disruptive interior force.

14. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama. Kirkpatrick is 6-3 and excels at lining up in press coverage and playing tight man coverage all over the field.

15. Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State. Cox is not huge at under 300 pounds, but he has good first-step explosiveness off the snap and shoots gaps and gets into the backfield to blow up plays.

What immediately jumps out at me about Lande's BPA list is that there are three defensive tackles on it. Watch out for Fletcher Cox from Mississippi State. Lately Cox is a name coming up a lot by scouts as a player to watch in Indianapolis. This season he totaled 56 tackles and 5 sacks in just 11 games, all against stout SEC opponents on a DL without another focal point. While his size is less than ideal at 6'4", 295 lbs he does have ability and is setting himself up to be in a position where he can jockey with Still and Brockers for the #1 DT in this draft.

Moreover what I find dramatic is the lack of Riley Reiff on this list. In fact, Reiff can't be found in Lande's top 50, all while other scouts have him as a top 10 prospect. Lande has refered to 'numerous sources' telling him they view Mike Adams out of Ohio State as a better OT prospect, which no doubt effected his decision.

I'm not sure sure about Michael Floyd. I know he put up big numbers at Notre Dame, but so did Golden Tate. Sure, Floyd has the size and the ability, but I can't help but feel like he lack the discipline needed for the NFL. I'd much rather Alshon Jeffrey as the #2 receiver in this class- Lande has him at 23.

While there are some aspects to the report I disagree with I have to say I'm 100% in accordance with Lande when it comes to Morris Claiborne. As most will remember from last year I got into heated discussions over Patrick Peterson because I just didn't see the next elite NFL corner, however I see that from Claiborne. While he wont give you that extreme pop in the return game I do think that the team who drafts him is getting a player similar to Champ Bailey- he has that much ability. To me, all it takes is Greg Schiano deciding Trent Richardson is too good to pass up and I see a door open for him to land in Carolina.

Just 8 days until the combine! It should be fun.

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James, don't tease us about a Claiborne fall

We’d all want that too badly.

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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

if you say so

Give me a dominant pass rusher any day. There’s plenty of cb depth in this draft, address that in the second round

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by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 9:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

coples, ingram, upshaw

Though only coples interests me. I hear what everyone is saying… He’s lazy, he takes plays off… He reminds everyone of Julius peppers…. Wait I’m sorry… What? He reminds people of julius peppers? You mean the guy who was an all decade player for us? Suits me, I’m sold, let’s draft him if he is available

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by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I really do hope Coples is the pick because if he is

then I trust that Hurney knows what he was doing and that Coples will be that dominant pass rusher for us.

by mlrupert on Feb 14, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

ive come round to that school of thought too

The flags concerned me at first, but his college production warrants us picking him alone. Even more so if the giants superbowl victory can teach us anything. A dominant pass rush is the real difference maker. Take the jets… They have arguable the best cb combo in the league, the dolphins too have good cb’s… How did they do this year? Let’s get a mean, nasty in your face d-line. If we give the likes of brees and ryan and to a lesser extent freeman time in the pocket we will NEVER win the nfc south, let alone the nfc

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by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 9:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I totally agree

I just posted something similar below. I want that kind of pass rush…its almost impossible to gameplan against three great passrushers. The thing I cant stand to see on defense is seeing the opposing team’s qb have all day in the pocket (as well as poor tackling) and that happened way too much last year.

by mlrupert on Feb 14, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Yay! I'm happy...I don't feel so alone now, lol

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take two please...

First and second round. I like a lot the DEs and DTs in this draft and am becoming less picky about which we pick. Although, I favor production with potential verses just a player with potential. Non-stop motor with low mileage a must! Must see to believe.

by Panthster on Feb 14, 2012 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that's funny!

being that im a duke fan i have a hard time picking coples. not being bias an all.lol

by gdogg3269 on Feb 14, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Count me in.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

We are the copleites and we are at least 4 in number!!

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by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hoorah. Soon we shall conquer more of CSR!

I don't want to draft Michael Brockers or Devon Still.

by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jets don't have a QB.

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by OldhamA on Feb 14, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Then what about the Eagles?...oh yeah...

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Coples was learning a new position last season on the line, that’s why he said his production was off. New position usually means slow reaction time. If this really is the case, then Coples 2nd half production should be heavily weighed into the equation.

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by jdough on Feb 14, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

IF only we could get Claiborne….fingers crossed

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by MMA_PITBULL on Feb 14, 2012 1:00 AM EST reply actions  

me and a friend

were just talking about this last night. Id take him over any player in the draft for us. well besides Kalil, but obviously theres no chance there. whats frustrating for me is I consider myself to be a level headed fan fully aware of our needs and cap situation, but i even I wanna draft a different person each week.

by DoubleT-Dlo on Feb 14, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Feb 14, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still calling a trade down for Poe.

If ya’ll can’t stop the run then you won’t have any use for DB’s will ya? :P

by SoCalTexan on Feb 14, 2012 1:07 AM EST reply actions  

We can't do anything on defense.

I’d say there’s only five players on defense guaranteed a starting job next year. We can’t stop anything, so the best player is the way to go.

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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 14, 2012 1:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Our secondary was even worse than yours two years ago

Then we revamped the front 7 with JJ Watt, got Barwin back, and drafted Brooks Reed, and the pass rush was unbelievable. JoJo not withstanding, even Kareem Jackson looked adequate with the front 7 playing as well as they did. It all builds from the trenches, so you might as well start there.

by SoCalTexan on Feb 14, 2012 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Not if the BPA isn't a DT/DE

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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 14, 2012 8:20 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

JJ Watt is a beast

Congrats on the turn around this past year.

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by boywonderncsu on Feb 14, 2012 9:00 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Okay, take this one on for size

I sure would love for us to get Mario Williams. Okay, it’s a pipe dream that we can’t afford, but I can always hope.

by usana_gaines on Feb 14, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll bet you a dollar on that.

Not going to happen.

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by ALAC on Feb 14, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

cox

i loved that skillz comp with igram and coples. i was really imprressed. he’s viable much later. wonder what the guys who know what’s up think? hope i don’t know ’til latler, haha

by bylinebrown on Feb 14, 2012 1:27 AM EST reply actions  

Problem with Michael Floyd

is that he has had those DUIs. Looks like trouble. I think based on skilsl he is the best WR prospect in the draft. But I can’t see him being worth at top ten pick with those character issues.

I also don’t see Blackmon has top ten pick. Not sure he is even an upgrade on LaFell or Gettis. I’d be surprised if we pick him.

by pieterzen on Feb 14, 2012 2:18 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting guy for sure

Someone built like that could be a huge red zone threat. Not convinced he is a top ten pick either though.

by pieterzen on Feb 14, 2012 4:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like AJ as a top 15 pick

because I think he will struggle to get separation from most NFL DBs.

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by boywonderncsu on Feb 14, 2012 9:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know why people can't get this simple fact.

When you’re 6’4", you don’t have to have breakaway speed to get open. You’re already open. All the QB has to do is throw it up and let your height advantage take over.

It’s nearly impossible to cover 6’4" 230 lbs in the red zone with one DB. Add in the fact that Steve Smith is lined up on the other side, and Jeremy Shockey or Greg Olsen is lined up at TE, and D-Will or J-Stew is lined up at RB, and Cam Newton is the QB, what in the world are you going to do to stop it?

Shankdiddy has said it several times, and I agree: Alshon Jeffery creates a mismatch in the defense that you can’t account for without bracketing him, and you can’t leave Smitty single covered unless you want him to score the TD. You can’t leave the TE open, and you can’t abandon the run, and you have to spy the QB. So, honestly, Alshon Jeffery is a great option for us if he is indeed the BPA when it’s our turn to pick.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

They said the same thing about Dwayne Jarret, Mike Williams, Reggie Williams, David Terrell,

Rashaun Woods, Charles Rogers, Sylvester Morris, Ashley Lelie, Braylon Edwards, JJ Stokes, etc, etc.

You should read the scouting report on Reggie Williams and Dwayne Jarrett. They sounds almost identical to Alshon.

Plus..we don’t need a WR! lol

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Of the 43 first rounds picks at WR since 2001 only 20 percent have

ever recorded a 1,000 yard season. WR is the biggest bust pick in the NFL draft. For every Calvin Johnson there are 4 Reggie Williams.

Even throwing out the rookie seasons only 25% have ever recorded a 1,000 yard season.

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

There are plenty of busts on the defensive line too, FWIW.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

That's fair. Derick Harvey immediately comes to mind

shudder

But the percentages of bust at DL are significantly less.

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a reason for that, IMO.

WR’s who fail usually aren’t willing to put the work in to learn their offense, their routes, etc., while defensive linemen are judged by “can he get to the QB or not”. It’s a lot tougher to make it in the NFL as a WR than it is as a defensive lineman…the jump from college to the NFL is more extreme.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I say that a lot about DBs too. one of the things that drives me *insane*

when I listen to the asshats on the Drive talk about how the SEC corners are better than the ones the Panthers have. Are they insane??? They may be more gifted, but if they lined up today they’d get their asses handed to them by an NFL WR.

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Dwayne Jarrett

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Ryne Robinson

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Charly Martin?

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Taye Biddle

This is fun.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Devin Thomas?

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Armanti Edwards

BOOM! Dynamite gone.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Daaaaang

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

And no offense to Armanti, App State, or Tater. I just wanted to win this not-so-serious pissing contest.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Ouch that hurts...he's a friend...

Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

And also, please notice the following line from my original comment:
So, honestly, Alshon Jeffery is a great option for us if he is indeed the BPA when it’s our turn to pick.

I’m not saying we have to draft a WR, or that we have to draft Alshon. I’m saying that if he is the best person on the board, then he would be a solid pick for us.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

So, the second round then?

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by OldhamA on Feb 14, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The most.

We need a nose tackle.

by ERL on Feb 14, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

See if this sounds familiar

Player X 6’4" 225lbs 4.48
Player X has good speed for his size, great natural ability, and excellent hands. He is very physical, has good strength, and rarely loses out on a jump ball. In terms of player toughness, he is arguably as good as any other receiver in college football.

He has great strength and often manhandles corners that try to jam him at the line of scrimmage. He has a great work ethic and has a history of coming through in big games. Has almost supernatural ball skills and phenomenal hands.
Player X also takes pride in being a great blocker, something that is not real common in the college ranks. He is confident almost to a fault.
Negatives:
There’s nothing wrong with Player X physical skills. He has adequate speed, but is not what you would call a real burner. But there are questions about his work ethic.
Player X should be a top-15 pick in the NFL Draft.

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

But there are questions about his work ethic.

That’s the difference between people who succeed in the NFL and people who don’t. Work ethic. Unless you’re supernaturally gifted like Peppers was, you have to work your ass off to make it in the NFL. Most of the WR’s you mentioned above didn’t do that, and they failed because of it.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. (the receiver in question was Regie Williams btw)

Aren’t there questions about Alshon’s work ethic though? To be fair they said the same thing about Cam and other guys who turned out to be alright, lol.

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I've seen pretty much every snap he's played. His work ethic is fine.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Hit post too soon...

He “looks” lazy because it was effortless for him to get open in college because of his size and strength.

Honestly, the same argument could be made for Peppers. Perhaps he’s not lazy, but it’s just so easy for him that it looks like he’s not trying hard enough.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I just did a search for Alshon Jefferey and questions about his work ethic

and got over 27k hits. There are plenty of questions about his work ethic.

From what I understand work ethic implies offseason conditioning. How hard he practices. Does he study film consistently. Work ethic does not equate to game day performance(for some reason).

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean I've seen pictures of the dude where he looked like a

couch potato. Doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that he’s out running and staying in shape ya know?

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Of those 27K how many do you think are legit though?

I get it…a lot of people are scared off because he looks heavy. I understand that, and I honestly don’t know why he looks pudgy.

All I know is when I watch him on a football field, he’s the best player on that field. Will that translate to the NFL? I don’t know. But, he does have two things you can’t teach: a large target and sticky hands.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey if he shows up in shape and can run a sub 4.6

sign me up. He looks great on game day, totally agree there. I just don’t think we need a WR.

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

got me there!

stew was one of the draft pick ups we ever had that was not needed

by gdogg3269 on Feb 14, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

It's no secret, I'd much rather the Panthers

pick an OL or DL. I just feel like you can find a WR in the first three rounds and hopefully this will be the last time we pick in the top 10 for a long time.

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

a great qb doesn’t need great recievers just good ones ask peyton manning

by gdogg3269 on Feb 14, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

debatable

J.Stew was insurance against DeAngelo Williams.

And John Fox loves his bruising RBs (which Stew fits the mold of much more).

by aceofsween on Feb 14, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we need a WR either...

But if it’s the best WR on the board (and a bona fide red zone target that’s nearly impossible to cover with one DB) vs. the 2nd best CB or OL/DL, I’d rather take the WR because it improves the team more.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Alshon's got the same problem Coples has.

They are so big, they make it look effortless. It’s tough to watch a player that is more fluid than quick and realize that they are superior to those around them that look quicker.

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by jdough on Feb 14, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair...

How many results do you get if you search Cam Newton and ‘cheat’, ‘thief’ or ‘bad leader’?

by James Dator on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

None. That's why Cam stole the laptop: to delete those terms from the search engines.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

ha!

No one can say he doesn’t think on his feet

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by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Dwayne Jarrett made Mark Sanchez look good...

Problem is both pretty much suck at the next level.

I suspect this could be the same.

by James Dator on Feb 14, 2012 1:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

So Floyd's gonna suck and the blame's gonna get put on everyone but Floyd?

Awesome.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Lol

I don’t think he’s going to suck, but I think he won’t be elite.

Reminds me a lot of Dez Bryant.

by James Dator on Feb 14, 2012 3:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I've been thinking a lot about Tampa taking Richardson myself.

If I were a new head coach, I don’t know if I want to bank my running game 100% on LeGarrette Blount. Three is way to high for Richardson, but if you think he’s your guy then you take him and don’t look back. With their needs, I’m sure Tampa fans would love to trade down but I don’t think it’s going to happen.

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by ALAC on Feb 14, 2012 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

Yea Ive been thinking about Tampa going offense in the draft

Whether that be an OT, Trent Richardson, or Justin Blackmon or another receiver. I think they are going to want to help out Josh Freeman as much as they can because if they can’t get their franchise qb back on track then they are in a lot of trouble. I think they can go defense in free agency since they have no veteran leadership past Ronde who might be retiring or leaving.

by mlrupert on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the Buc's take Blackmon

FA signing Mario Williams? They’ve got the cap room to make it happen.

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by jdough on Feb 14, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

kalil only number five?

Seriously lande? Put the crack pipe down for a second. He’s a shoe in to start LT at almost every team in the league

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by LimeyPanther on Feb 14, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

i don't think we take a pass rusher in the 1rst

rivera really likes hardy and he had never really healed from the bike wreck last year so i think he deserves another chance. and just like charles johnson it takes players about the 3rd season to really shine.

by gdogg3269 on Feb 14, 2012 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

I understand your point with Hardy

but I just want to have a nasty pass rush. The Giants had Osi and Tuck but they still drafted JPP and look how that has turned out for them now. Tuck has destroyed they Patriots by lining up inside and theoretically if we draft Coples and he is worth the pick, then we would have 3 good pass rushers who could all move inside and rush.

by mlrupert on Feb 14, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That only works well against teams that don't run, like the Pats

NO, ATL, and TB to a degree all have very good running games.

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by BEVE on Feb 14, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

What?

……so rushing the passer does work against NO, ATL, and TB?

by mlrupert on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Just saying

You can’t sell out against the pass all the time with all pass rushers against teams that can run the ball well. Great pass rush is awesome and I want us to have one too, but when Turner is running for 200yds in a game sometime your gonna need that run stoppin DT in there.

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by BEVE on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said have 3 pass rushers in there all the time

I meant that for obvious passing downs. I probably should have specified more to avoid confusion but I meant to use them in the same manner that the Giants do. I didn’t mean that would should get rid of our defensive tackles for a defensive end. The giants have what they call their Nascar package which means on obvious passing downs (ie 3rd and long) they bring in 4 pass rushers (JPP, Osi, Tuck, and Kiwi usually) and have them all rush the passer. Tuck is the guy that normally moves inside and works against the center and/or guards to rush the qb and this is where he has his greatest success. This sort of package is the most successful if you have guys that can rush the passer well from the inside and I believe that we have a couple of guys who could do that well, especially if we draft Coples. Sorry for the confusion but I hope this clarifies what I was saying and hope I didn’t come across as snarky.

by mlrupert on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, CJ, Hardy and Applewhite all rushed from a DT spot last season at times.

Stuff like that is usually reserved for 3rd and 10+, as you say.

We need a nose tackle.

by ERL on Feb 14, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny you mentioned Turner form Atlanta.

Turner managed only 41 yards against that Giants front that slide Tuck or Pierre-Paul inside. The Giants have been doing that all season long, especially with Pierre-Paul.

It’s not just the point of having another pass rusher. It’s about having a pass rusher that is so talented that he can smash a RB just like a DT can. Pierre-Paul and Tuck both have that ability.

CJ can handle the run very well, so now we just need another guy. Maybe Coples is that guy.

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by jdough on Feb 14, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I really do think that Claiborne will fall to us

A lot of teams before us need OT so I think there is a chance that Kalil, Martin, and Rieff could go before us. We know that RG3 and Luck will go before us. Richardson and Blackmon could also go before us as well as Coples and Tannehill. Someone could also go for Alshon or Floyd early as well. I think there are a lot of possibilities in which Claiborne would fall to us.

by mlrupert on Feb 14, 2012 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

i would love that if it happens

but i think if we don’t get claiborne then we need to get devon still, he can get a steady pass rush from the de in the 3-4 defense and at dt in a 4-3. like i said before he reminds of kris jenkins with the offside penalties.

by gdogg3269 on Feb 14, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I think Devon Still will be gone before our second pick

Im thinking of Jared Crick in the Second round possibly. He was considered the top dt before he went out for the season. The guy reminds me of not quite as athletic JJ Watt a bit…..his motor just never stops. Having 9.5 sacks two years in a row from the DT spot is pretty impressive.

by mlrupert on Feb 14, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Its possible and it would be awesome

I really hope Tannehill has a great combine so that he gets put up there with the other 2 so that there are teams reaching to get them and someone like Claiborne can fall to us.

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by BEVE on Feb 14, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea Im hoping for the same thing

I have a feeling if the Redskins cant get RG3 then they might pull the trigger on Tannehill. Mike S. likes his qbs to be athletic for his bootleg passing attack and prizes the strong arm to throw from hash to hash. He probably has enough pride to think that he can mold the inexperienced Tannehill into a franchise qb.

by mlrupert on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

don't forget that jared crick could land at us in the 2nd

then we could have our cake and eat it too, because he was the most dominant pass rusher in college this before he got hurt.

by gdogg3269 on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

Very good point

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by Vagus on Feb 14, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be freaking sweet.

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by BW Smith on Feb 14, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

and even if we did take still in the 1rst

i would like to think that we would still take crick in the 2nd. because they make take another corner in the 4th. or may give hogan a shot this year. never know with the new db’s coach coming in.

by gdogg3269 on Feb 14, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

if we trade back in the 1st

Then we would take still and pickup an extra 2nd or a 3rd. I think its going to happen, I think someone like the jets aregoing to want to get Trent Richardson real bad and make a move for him

by gdogg3269 on Feb 14, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

The Jets NEED Richardson BAD

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by BEVE on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

L2Reply

There’s a little blue reply link below every post with a plus symbol in a box. Looks just like this:
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Please use it.

by aceofsween on Feb 14, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

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