To Keep or Not to Keep: Jeremy Shockey
by Cam2SmittyAllDay on Feb 13, 2012 11:25 AM EST
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Jeremy Shockey: 37 receptions, 455 yards, 4 touchdowns Greg Olsen: 45 receptions, 540 yards, 5 touchdowns.
Can't say I'm not impressed with either of our two starting tight ends. However, one could argue that Olsen would still be highly productive without splitting time with Shockey. Shockey's contract will probably end up being 2-3 million dollars, and while that isn't a huge amount, its 2-3 million dollars we could be using on positions of need. Tight End is one of the few positions of depth we have, with guys like Gary Barnidge, Ben Hartsock, and the ever versatile Richie Brockel.
Speaking of Gary Barnidge, he is the X-Factor in whether Shockey returns. Barnidge didn't notch a reception in 2010 or 2008 (rookie year), so he only has one year to really see what he can be.
Gary Barnidge: 12 receptions, 242 yards, 0 touchdowns.
Barnidge averaged a whopping 20.2 yards per catch, with 4 of his receptions being for over 20 yards. Even when he had Jake Delhomme and Matt Moore throwing him the ball, he managed to be a pretty good intermediate/deep threat. Unfortunately he missed all of this year with a broken ankle. Steve Smith, Brandon Lafell, Shockey, Olsen, and even Jonathan Stewart all benefited greatly from the offensive explosion that is Cam Newton. One could reason that Barnidge would also have benefited from the new offense. Barnidge is a fast tight end who just needed a little coaching. I truly believe that Cam won't miss a beat if Barnidge becomes our second tight end. Just my two cents guys, let me know what you think! -C2SAD
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makes sense
thats one of the main reasons I can see him staying
by Cam2SmittyAllDay on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I would trade my first born for Shockey to stay on the team.
by Ptrain's mom on Feb 13, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This should be glowing neon green!!!!!
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Barnidge was playing well in training camp last season.
And I am excited to see what he can do as a pass catcher v/s the half-ass blocker John Fox tried to make him. That being said, Shockey gives the team a spark that no one else (other than Steve Smith) can provide. Shockey finds ways to get open and almost always makes the tough catches. It’s worth 2-3 million to have him come back and continue to help our young guys along.
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agreed
My hope is that he can help make Barnidge into a better player. Barnidge has always shown flashes, pretty soon he will step up.
by Cam2SmittyAllDay on Feb 13, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
a lot of people also forget that Barnidge was our best special teamer for a while
part of why our special teams were terrible were because our best guys were missing. Barnidge (injury), Senn (forced into starting role), Conner (forced into starting role), Munnerlyn (forced into starting role)
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
I would like to resign Shockey and cut Hartsock
Olsen, Shockey, and Barnidge? Yes sir
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Actually, 2-3 million is worth it for...
someone who doubles as a tight end and an expert with the Heimlich.
by Cam2SmittyAllDay on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
lol
the funny thing is he didnt even use the Heimlich, he just hammer fisted Hartsock in the back to dislodge the food
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Can we please keep this PG
I mean, this is just a completely inappropriate reference for our player
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
by pcroadrage on Feb 13, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thats better, at least it doesnt referense a super villian
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Im good with that as long as we resign Brockel for blocking purposes
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's all about the price.
If we can get him on our terms, then great. But if he gets a better offer elsewhere then we shouldn’t hesitate to let him walk.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Keeo Stockley
I know some may not agree with me but sometimes business( and football is a business) should look beyound dollars and cents. The team chemistry is good with Stockley there, plus the guidance and trainng that he can give to the younger players would help them improve which in the long run helps the team improve. There are somethings money can not do teach, and inspire are but two of them.
True
However we have other guys who can/should step up as leaders. Smith, Beason, Gross, and Gamble have all stepped up, whether it be vocally or by example. Shockey has become a great leader, but at what point do you say “Ok, somebody else can step up for less money”. We won’t be able to address all of our needs this year, that extra 2-3 million might get us a difference maker. Thats just what I think.
by Cam2SmittyAllDay on Feb 13, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
well it's not as much of a saving as you think
we would still have to have a replacement for his spot, and if thats Hartsock then we’re only saving 1-2 mil for a significant drop off
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Hartsock wouldn't replace his spot.
Barnidge would, and none of us really know what he can do.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I have a feeling Hartsock is the odd man out if we keep Shockey
by Cam2SmittyAllDay on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think so.
Brockel looked like a good blocking end and would be cheaper than Hartsock.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 13, 2012 12:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Brockel was a nice surprise this year
Gotta love having a guy who can play two positions well. Great on special teams also.
by Cam2SmittyAllDay on Feb 13, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
plus he scored the annexation of puerto rico
Which brought us much happiness and cheer for several weeks.
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by LimeyPanther on Feb 13, 2012 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Due to his familiarity with the offense........
and Chudzinski, Shockey is able to provide help with the offense that none of those other guys can. Just throwing that out there.
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yeah, you are probably right
If it were a year like last year where cap weren’t so tight I would see no reason not to keep him. That being said, I won’t complain if he sticks around for another year or two
by Cam2SmittyAllDay on Feb 13, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think, if the price is right, keep him.
Shockey may well be in his decline, as it were, but the veteran experience he provides for the TE position alone (let alone in general) makes it an easy sell for me.
In a perfect world we get Shockey to stay on the cheap...
He said he wants to be a part of what we are doing so if thats a factor a reasonable contract isn’t out of the realm of posibility…that being said if money is the driving force and someone offers more let him go…i’ve been a huge proponent of Gary on the blog for 2 years now…if he hadn’t broken his ankle I think he could have had a solid year as well in a rotation with Shokey and Olsen, Gary is also one of our special teams aces. I definitely think he is capable of producing at a level at least similar to what Shockey put up. But all 3 would be a thing of beauty!
I don't really understand the phenomena that has led to Shockey being a fan favorite here
I get all the leadership stuff attributed to him and everything, but he’s only been here for one year and his production wasn’t anything exemplary. I’m not opposed to resigning him, but not for $3 million when we’re really not getting much value out of that contract.
I agree that $3M is a little steep.
If he were willing to sign a deal for $2M for a year, or $4M for two, we should probably do it. Anything more than that is too much given our cap situation.
Now if we restructure a bunch of guys and free up $20M, then he gives a $3M ‘take it or leave it’ offer…maybe.
We need a nose tackle.
he is a man at te olsen is kind of wus
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 13, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
He's not entirely wrong.
I’d like to see Olsen make more “tough” catches than he does. I’m sure he’s not a “wus”, but he doesn’t play like Shockey either.
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agreed
Olsen is a finesse TE and Shock is a beast. I remember a playoff game against the 49ners where he could have ran into the endzone untouched but instead initiated contact and ran through a guy to get there. hes just tough and id like to see some of that from Olsen who would get tackled by a guy who is falling… with one hand… w a cast on the hand
one thing that works to our advantage
Is that shockey does seem really happy here. He’s frequently commented on the passion the team has and how much he likes his team mates. I honestly think shocks should be our priority in free agency. There’s some good TE’s in the draft but we have much bigger needs. His gone from been an out spoken and critical player to being driven and a leader. Rivera spoke in his initial interview about how when he looked at our roster he saw so many young and inexperienced players that it wasn’t surprising we had done so badly in 2010 and that we needed experienced leaders. Shockey is one of those players.
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by LimeyPanther on Feb 13, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Honestly, I took the resigning of Barnidge as a foreshadowing.
I really like what Shockey brings to the table, especially during clutch situations.
I also love that he was always the first guy to congratulate everyone on a great play.
I don’t like the cap space he’ll probably eat up and I’d be willing to be Hurney doesn’t, either.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions
He has stated though we would take the minimum to stay… I hope he sticks to that.
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If he's willing to take minimum to stay there is absolutely no reason not to keep him.
I’d just cut Hartsock to make room. It’s not like he was playing much anyway, even on running downs.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 13, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Keep for sure
Probably knows the offense better than anyone, good leadership, and one of Cam’s go to guys.
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
His productivity can be replaced but his veteran leadership can't
If the price is right than keep him. We still have to remember that we’re still a rebuilding team even if we outdid our expectations last year.
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i say keep shockey you don't undermine leadership
there was a time at training camp last year when they were doing 7on7 drills in shorts and pickles was the qb and he missed the throw to shockey, and shockey screamed out an f-bomb. aftter that i promise you that no qb missed shockey after that. that is the kind of fire he brings to this team. but i will say that i think gary barnidge is a legit tight end, i remember when he was drafted mel kiper said he could be the next jay novachek. that is saying something, that and he is 6 foot 6’
A year ago, we were having a similar discussion about who to keep among Rosario, King, and Barnidge.
Barnidge was re-signed; the other 2 weren’t.
As for my prediction that last year was to be Gary’s break-out year (short-circuited by injury), I’ll just repeat it this year.
Every time I recall this 55-yd reception vs the Vikings (wk 15, 2009), and how many guys he carried with him, I drool over his future: (the play appears at about the 5:25 mark of the 4th quarter)
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009122012/2009/REG15/vikings@panthers#menu=highlights|contentId:09000d5d81523c4a&tab=analyze
I think we should resign him, but I'm not so sure we will resign him due to the cap situation.
Minus the Veteran Leadership, I think that Applewhite is a more valuable player to the Panthers than Shockey.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 13, 2012 4:49 PM EST reply actions
I agree
We have so much depth at TEnd. I feel we need a DE with OLB capabilities like Applewhite. Keep him cut Shockey.
by SomePanther1 on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to keep Applewhite too.
There’s no cutting Shockey. He’s a free agent. We either re-sign him or he goes somewhere else. He was only on a one year deal.
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I think we should keep him
He’s just one of those players that seems to infuse success. Everywhere he goes, a superbowl seems to follow and even if he has a tendency to run his mouth after a few years with a team, he has been nothing but a positive here. He is getting a little long on the tooth but he is also still playing at a high level. I just remember being extremely happy when they signed him and I still see him as a great assett to this team.
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I agree!
Plus since he has been here Gary was playing with a chip on his shoulder before he got hurt. Attitude is contagious when it comes to sports!
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I think we can get him for cheap since he has injury concerns. Seems like the same situation that Shockey was in except no potential locker room problems
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by CamNewtonSBMVP on Feb 16, 2012 7:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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