Could Jeremy Shockey Be Lured Back to New York?
by Jaxon on Feb 11, 2012 5:36 PM EST
in Panther News & Notes
Email
PrintHat tip to jcbouche for being the first to post this on CSR via fanshot....
So do you think that rather than returning to Carolina, as he has said he would do, do you think Jeremy Shockey mighty instead end up playing for the Giants? There is at least one Giants fan that likes the thought:
I have been thinking about this for about the last two-to-three hours and I’m torn. Shockey was my favorite Giant when he played with
the team. I know him and Eli had their problems. But times have changed. Shockey has grown up and significantly matured and well we know Eli is now a top five if not a top three QB in the league. If Eli, Shockey, and Coughlin can sit down and have a productive meeting and the price is right (a one year deal for deal for the 2-3 million range) I say bring him back.
I have to admit if I were Shockey I would consider any offer from the Giants. They certainly need a pass catching TE and will be a good team again next season. Of course I like to think the same of the Panthers and I hope his good vibe with the team is strong enough to keep him here for a decent price.
50 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I don't know why Shockey would want to go back to the Giants.
Honestly, I doubt the team wants him back either. If he wants to be a “mercenary” and go help a team win another Championship, he’d be better off somewhere else. The chances of NY doing it again, back to back years, are pretty slim. I don’t think money would be his motivation though. But if it was, there have to be teams that need him and would pay more than the Giants. He might not win a Championship here next season but Carolina gives him the best opportunity to contribute every game and remain healthy. Of course, I have no idea whether or not we plan on trying to resign him but I believe it is in our best interest to do so. If we don’t, I will just go back to being a Barnidge cheerleader. If able to remain healthy, I don’t see why Barnidge couldn’t match Shockey’s production on the field. It’s the leadership and the attitude/spark that Shockey brings which will be missed.
"Keep Pounding" -Sam Mills
Follow me on Twitter
As a Giants fan...
… and as someone who loved how Shockey blew up tacklers early in his career, I personally think too many bridges are burnt between him and the front office to bring him back. I don’t think it was a coincidence that the Giants seemed to get better after he was hurt. that Superbowl year; and the last thing the Giants need in their clubhouse is player discord.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
I agree with you 100%.
I really don’t think either side is interested in getting back together.
"Keep Pounding" -Sam Mills
Follow me on Twitter
I don't think Shockey will ever go back to the Giants.
He was cut the year he was coming off a broken leg. There were other problems too, but to me, a team that cuts you for 1 injury doesn’t get another shot when your services are in demand elsewhere.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
There's also the fact that everything you said is 100% wrong
And not even remotely close to the truth.
Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Maybe you don't follow your own team. Here are some copy pastes, and links to show you that I am remotely close to the truth.
On December 16, 2007, in week 15 of the season, while playing the Washington Redskins, Shockey broke his left fibula and suffered damage to his ankle.
That was while playing for the NY Giants. In 2008 he was playing for the Saints. Link to wikipedia for verification here.
Here are a couple of words from his team mates at the time of the broken leg.
"He’s one of our leaders, one of the guys that comes to practice every day,‘’ quarterback Eli Manning said. "It’s going to be tough to overcome that, and we need someone to step up and hopefully one of these rookie tight ends can do that.‘’
"We’ve got a tough challenge ahead of us playing without him,‘’ Manning said.
"It’s part of the business, part of the risk you take when you go out there, that you can get injured,‘’ defensive end Michael Strahan said. "Losing Shockey is definitely going to hurt because he’s not only an emotional leader and all those things, but he also makes plays for you. He’s one of our guys that other teams make sure they account for, and that helps other guys out. I know as much of a competitor he is, it’s really going to kill him to watch.‘’
And from the coach,
Added coach Tom Coughlin: "To lose him at any time of the season is a huge loss. I feel badly for him.’’. Link to player and coach quotes.
So explain to me what I said that was not remotely close to the truth please.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
The part about him being cut after breaking his leg
Shockey was pissed off that the Giants won the SB without him and demanded that he be traded. He was also pissed off that the Giants offered him a suite at the SB instead of letting him stand on the sidelines with a broken leg. Something that they did for their other players who essentially had the same/similar injuries (D. Ward and M. Kiwanuka). All this cause Shockey to demand a trade in the offseason. The saints offered a 2 and 5 to which the Giants refused hoping they could somehow bend over backwards to please him. Nothing was good enough for him, so he disrupted practices, called the coaches and GM derogatory names publicly, and blasted the organization in the newspapers. This forced the GM to go back to the Saints for the 2 and the 5 which was a worse trade now that draft was over and the saints would almost definitely have a better record. And after all that, the Giants and their employees remained classy in the papers to Shockey after his departure. (see your above block quotes) So when I said 100% wrong, I guess I exaggerated. I should have said like 75-80% wrong. Since the only thing you got right is he broke his leg. Do you still think I don’t follow my team or was that checkmate?
Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Plus
here are some block quotes, because I’m jealous you had so many
Shockey, 27, has had issues with the Giants for years. He’s often complained about his role in the offense, which requires him to block much more than he’d like. Then, after missing the Super Bowl run last season because of a broken leg and injured ankle, he became angered at the perception that the Giants were better off without him. He also was angry that the Giants didn’t let him stand on the sidelines during the Super Bowl. Because he was still on crutches, they forced him to sit in a luxury suite instead.
Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG
Let's Go Giants!!!!
What is that block quote from?
I don’t like taking quotes as evidence when they might be taken from someone that doesn’t know and is assuming. Like this part,
He’s often complained about his role in the offense, which requires him to block much more than he’d like.And this part,
,
he became angered at the perception that the Giants were better off without him.
Was it written by another Giants employee or staff, or was it an interview with Shockey? Or was that just the writers opinion? Notice the block quotes I posted were from the team and coach not some writer that really doesn’t know but has an opinion. Not saying your block quote was from such a writer, but I don’t know because there was no link.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
I don't see it
I think he likes it here, and if he can come back I think he would take it over most other teams. Unless he was lying he has already said it’s not about the money now. Unless he is totally full of @#$& then I think he sees something for the future of this team and wants to be part of it.
Plus he doesn’t have to deal with the daily badgering of the big market media and NY fans.
Rocking the boat and righting the ship! Making the moves needed...Go Panthers!!!
Shockey isn't one to forget past slights... I think he'd rather go to hell than back to the Giants or Saints.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
If they would agree to kick Jimmy Graham out of the NFC South......
I’d happily send Shockey back to the Saints, whether he liked it or not. Graham is going to be a pain in our ass for awhile.
"Keep Pounding" -Sam Mills
Follow me on Twitter
I don't see it happening.
If the Panthers want to bring Shockey back, there isn’t a doubt in my mind he’ll be back. The pieces just don’t fit for the Giants. Tom Coughlin always prefers to use his tight ends as mainly blockers. Jeremy Shockey isn’t that kind of tight end. He likes to go out there and catch touchdowns.
I can understand the connection the media is seeing. Two New York TE’s starting the 2012 season on the PUP list. But to me this is like a classic case of slamming a round peg into a square hole. It’ll fit, but it won’t look good.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
I feel the same way
Shockey wants to catch the ball, not be a full time blocker. I think the Giants might throw him an offer but Carolina might sweeten a deal for him to stay another season. Gotta live those performance incentives.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 11, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
Wont happen. Eli’s rise to the elite has been directly related to the loss of the ego’s from the locker room. I agree that Shockey has matured since his days as a Giant but I still d
ont think he is the type of guy they would want to bring back. Also doubt very much he wants to go back. I really hope we can find it in the budget to keep him around though, he is much more valuable here in Carolina than he will be on most teams
i'm actually writing a FanPost on Shockey...
it tells a lot about a player’s quality if old teams (or fans) want him back.
better get 'em now!
Well quit screwing around here and get that shit posted!
Joking of course. :)
"Keep Pounding" -Sam Mills
Follow me on Twitter
.
…………………./´¯/)
………………..,/¯../
………………./…./
…………./´¯/‘…’/´¯¯`·¸
………./‘/…/…./……./¨¯\
……..(’(…´…´…. ¯~/‘…’)
………[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8230;…………..‘…../
……….’’…[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8230;……. _.·´
…………[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8230;………..(
…………..[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8230;……….[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8230;
better get 'em now!
by scatterbrain on Feb 11, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
i have to work on journals for school :(
better get 'em now!
by scatterbrain on Feb 11, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
School certainly should take precedence. Good luck. I’ll just have to wait.
"Keep Pounding" -Sam Mills
Follow me on Twitter
I doubt it
Admittingly I don’t know their cap figure but I think they will have to give Cruz and OC a raise I doubt they will offer him any more then we can plus he wont be as high on the throwing option list there.
"If I have to find Jesus does that mean he is hiding ?" THE SOESBEAST " death solves all problems, no man no problem" Joseph Dzhugashvili
by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 11, 2012 9:05 PM EST reply actions
And let the collective snickering begin again...
Eli is now a top five if not a top three QB in the league
Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, Brees, Stafford, even Romo and Ryan. I’d rate all of them higher than or equal to Eli.
As far as the Giants bringing Shockey back… I find it doubtful. I don’t even know if we’ll bring him back.
Personally..........
I’d put Eli above Stafford, Romo, and Ryan. Maybe not by much, but above none the less. I’d probably put him even with Rivers. It’s all opinion though. Everybody’s going to view them a little different.
"Keep Pounding" -Sam Mills
Follow me on Twitter
Gotta disagree with that list
Eli is easily better than Romo and Ryan. And is pretty much even (IMO) with Rivers.
You're insane...
Rivers has been one of the perennial top 5 QBs in the league for the last 5+ years.
Top 5 QBs by Passer Rating:
2011: Rodgers (122.5), Brees (110.6), Brady (105.6), Romo (102.5), Stafford (97.2)
Eli: 92.9, 7th overall.
2010: Brady (111.0), Rivers (101.8), Rodgers (101.2), Vick (100.2), Roethlisberger (97.0)
Eli: 85.3, 17th overall
2009: Brees (109.6), Favre (107.2), Rivers (104.4), Rodgers (103.2), Roethlisberger (100.5)
Eli: 93.1, 11th overall
2008: Rivers (105.5), Pennington (97.4), Warner (96.9), Brees (96.2), P. Manning (95.0)
Eli: 86.4, 14th overall
Oh… and “easily better than Romo and Ryan” you say? Romo was 4th in 2011, 8th in 2009, and 8th in 2008 (injured in 2010). Ryan was 8th in 2011, 11th in 2010, 20th in 2009, and 11th in 2008. Romo has never placed lower than Eli in terms of QBR, while Ryan has been higher in 2 of the 4 years sampled.
So, yeah… Eli is about the same as Matt Ryan (the difference between them this year was .2 QBR pts). But to say “easily better” than Romo or “pretty much even” with Rivers is ludicrous.
I would have to disagree with that as well...
Especially since in that group, only Brady has more rings.
And yes, Rivers has somewhat better in-season ratings, but is 3-4 in the postseason. Eli is currently 8-3, and his postseason ratings are easily several full points above his in-season ones.
Stafford and Ryan have yet to prove themselves – Stafford just finished his first full season, and Ryan (and Romo, for that matter) has yet to win in the postseason. This season, Eli carried the Giants, as they had in essence NO run game (finished 32nd), and most of the comebacks they had were because of him, not in spite of.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
And if Eli plays the rest of his career like he did this year...
I’d argue he would be.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
So you're going to ignore his mediocre stats based on one year?
It’s far more likely that this was a high rather than a new norm for him.
He's played at a fairly high level for the past four years.
He had a three-year adjustment period to the league, but he’s been markedly better since 2008 and had a year very similar to this one in 2009.
Follow me on Twitter at @JakeHumphrey91
by Jake Humphrey on Feb 12, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
That's fine...
But having a good year doesn’t spring board you into the upper echelon of QBs across the league. The numbers simply aren’t there to support that argument.
Confused
I read the article and was dumbfounded by one statement. When exactly did Eli become an elite QB? Against the lowely Patriots Defense he played well, but top 3 is still a stretch. Eli is not an elite every down QB threat of the likes of Rodgers, Brees and a healthy Peyton. Eli is more comparable to Big Ben rather than the three previously mentioned. In the Superbowl, the Giants Defense or the Manningham catch seem to be more elite than some of Eli’s play.
Shockey will stay where he feels welcome: Carolina.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." -- Frank Sinatra
by SuperCam KoolAid on Feb 11, 2012 9:30 PM EST reply actions
But wait... Everyone knows Big Ben is an elite quarterback!
Oh… wait… No, that’s just the Steelers fans who think that.
Its just amazing how winning the superbowl all of a sudden screams you are good
Marino was elite even though he never got a ring.
"If I have to find Jesus does that mean he is hiding ?" THE SOESBEAST " death solves all problems, no man no problem" Joseph Dzhugashvili
by allthatremainsstillowns on Feb 12, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about top 3, but Eli isn't as far off as people think
Here are the last three seasons of the QBs you mentioned:
- Rodgers: 12,999 yards, 66.2% completion, 103 TD, 24 INT- Rodgers has to be #1, his last three years have been insane
- Brees: 14,384 yards, 70% completion, 113 TD, 47 INT- Lots of yards, huge completion percentage, good QB system
- Peyton Manning: 13,202, 67.3% completion, 93 TD, 45 TD- Extremely solid all around, but doesn’t stand out as much as Brees or Rodgers in the last 3 years.
- Eli Manning: 12,956 yards, 62.5% completion, 87 TDs, 55 INTs
While I agree he’s not top 3, I definitely think he’s top 5.
by James Dator on Feb 12, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Few more points of interest for you James...
- Rivers: 13588 yards, 64.7% completion, 85 TDs, 42 INTs, almost half of his INTs came from this season and his completion rating took a big hit (3 straight years of over 65% completions). Definite an off season for him.
- Ryan: 10798 yards, 60.7% completion, 79 TDs, 35 INTs, doesn’t put up big passing numbers, but has an exceptional TD:INT ratio (not as good as Rodgers though, obviously)
- Romo: 12115 yards, 63.6% completion, 83 TDs, 33 INTs, excluding 2010 where he missed most of the season, Romo has delivered almost as many yards and TDs with just over half the INTs of Eli
- Schaub: 14662 yards, 64.65% completion, 83 TDs, 43 INTs, stats from the last 4 years, because he was injured in both 2011 and 2008, but was on pace for close to 4000 yards with another 24 TDs and ~9 INTs.
I could really just keep on going, but neither of the last 3 I listed are considered an automatic “top 5” but their numbers are all very competitive with Eli’s over the last 3 years (harder to gauge with Schaub). The biggest thing though is that Eli has thrown 55 INTs. The next highest to that over the last 3 years was Rivers, and only because he had a 20-pick year.
Eli is above average and deserves to be in the talk for top 10. But he is not in the top 5.
Of course, context is key...
This year, Rivers had a much better run game and defense (statistically – SD was 16th rushing, 13th pass defense and 20th run defense – vs NYG 32nd rushing, 29th pass defense and 19th run defense), and yet this year Eli lowered his INT numbers even though he was called upon to pass more (5th in passing, just shy of 5k yards) than he historically has.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
What does that have to do with anything?
Are you seriously arguing that Eli is a better QB than Rivers? Eli has never finished with a QBR of over 100. Rivers has done it what? 3 or 4 times (in a row, no less)? The best year of Eli’s career and it still isn’t better than what Rivers has done on multiple occasions.
Eli is an above average QB, like I said. He is solid. I’m not disputing that. But all this talk about him being a top 5 is ludicrous. He wasn’t even top 5 this year! He’s certainly not top 5 across the breadth of everyone’s careers.
Numbers, numbers, numbers
The only ones that count are 8 – 3 in playoff games, and 2 out of 2 in the Super Bowl. He comes up big when it counts for the team, not just when it pads his statistics. When you can say that about Rivers or Romo, I’ll accept your arguments.
This Will Very Probably Be Shockey's Last Contract, So If Another Team Offers Him A 3 Year Deal, At $3-4 Million A Year He Would Likely Take It
I feel the Panthers and Shockey want to workout a deal, but I don’t think the Panthers will offer more than a 2 year deal, and with a tight salary cap may not want to go beyond a max of $3 Million a year.
I think the Panthers can put together a deal that would make him want to stay.
But if he isn’t interested in meeting the team half way, I’m fine with him moving on. To me, we are paying him for his “fire” and leadership more than his production on the field.
"Keep Pounding" -Sam Mills
Follow me on Twitter
Unless he was being dishonest ...
he said it wasn’t about the money anymore. IMO, he seemed to be having a lot of fun this season. I never heard the media say anything negative about his attitude or his leadership. I saw a veteran who embraced his teaching role and seemed to instantly bond with Olsen and the offense. SS89 even said he loved having him on the team. Who knows, maybe he wants to enjoy his last few seasons and share his experience instead of having to deal with a lot of BS in a big market??
"if you see my face again, it means I scored again" Steve Smith..
He threatened the GM
He wouldn’t listen to his coaches
He ignored the QB
He may come back to NY, but only to take in a show on BWAY
Eli is our King!
He really threatened Reese? lol.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Feb 12, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
And he got traded to the Saints in about 7 days (might have been less)
Honestly I don’t think he’d consider coming to the Giants.
Eli is our King!
I dont want him ANYWHERE near my Team, My QB, my Receivers, my Coach, my TEEAAMMMMM!!
Shockey, Tiki, and for awhile, Strahan were the biggest reason The Giants couldnt get out of their own way. Let him stay in Carolina, i dont want him anywhere near the Giants. Let him, his over-inflated oppinion of his game, his injury proneness,and attitude stay away.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Cat Scratch Reader
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
