Panthers Top 5 Remaining Unresolved Issues
It's February 1st and the Super Bowl is upon us. We've had close to a month of offseason but little has been resolved regarding the Panthers offseason priorities and it won't get resolved until the new league year begins. At this point though there remain some clear 'issues' needing resolved regarding the Panthers roster. The issues might require a tough decision by management or they could simply be ignored all together. Here's the top 5 I see right now:
Issue #1: With RB Jonathan Stewart entering the final year of his deal do we offer him a new contract now or wait and see how the 2012 season goes first?
Both options warrant consideration based on the benefit to risk ratio. The risk is having so much $ invested in the RB position that other positions suffer. I can't see how his 2012 performance, whether good or bad, brings any additional leverage to the Panthers short of an injury to Stewart. They certainly wouldn't bank on that scenario. My preference is to go ahead and lock him up since I'm very happy with the double trouble tandem. I'm not positive but I think the Panthers feel the same way give his ability to rush and receive.
Issue #2: What do we offer LB Thomas Davis to return in 2012?
Davis has made it clear he wants to return to Carolina after suffering his third ACL injury in two seasons. The conventional wisdom is the Panthers will bring him back but at a lower salary, much lower I bet. Given the injury history I can't imagine many other teams making a serious run at Davis. The key will be the team medical evaluations in the next couple weeks. I've gotten conflicting reports from 'Davis' rehab is on schedule' to 'He has plateaued in his rehab'. I wouldn't count the guy out but I can't see the Panthers taking a lot of risk in the form of guaranteed salary for Davis. The risk is alienating one of the your team leaders, whether intentional or not, which we have seen how that can turn into a locker room cancer.
Issue #3: Who will be Cam Newton's back-up?
HC Ron Rivera alluded to the fact that the Panthers would prefer the back-up to QB Cam Newton be a player with a similar skill set. That would preclude both current back-ups Derek Anderson and Jimmy Clausen. I fully expect the Panthers to bring in two QBs this offseason to compete for the 3rd spot behind Anderson, if Anderson even stays. These QBs will most likely be fast and come from a read-option type of offense similar to Newton. That means the Panthers will finally have to do something with Jimmy Clausen. An outright release isn't out of the question but I bet they move him for a mid to late round pick in the 2013 draft.
Issue #4: Do they give PR Armanti Edwards one more season?
Edwards has yet to do very much in the punt return game and now is in danger of getting cut in my view. Since he is still under contract I'm sure he will stay on the roster into training camp but I would bet dollars to donuts the Panthers bring in some legitimate competition to return punts. That could be through free agency or the draft with a draft selection being the most likely route.
Issue #5: Do they have adequate insurance behind Jeff Otah?
We saw in 2011 that losing two players at a position like RT can throw the line in disarray, even more when you lose three like the Panthers did on the right side of their line. Will Otah's knee be ready? Will he stay healthy? Can he return to top form? This one again hinges on medical reports but I think all the latest news is Otah is ready to go. My bet is the Panthers add another draft pick to this group do nothing else and wait see how training camp goes.
What other significant issues do you see?
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Good Article
I would say another significant issue is safety play. Sherrod is just awful, and Godfrey seems out of position a lot of the time. If we sign anyone this offseason, I think it should be at the safety position. I believe we will shore up CB in the draft, and if we stay healthy then we are good at most of the other positions.
i disagree
the only reason i disagree is because the new DB coach says good things about these guys. i actually cannot find reason for the new DB coach to be so optimistic about these specific guys, but he is, and i’m going with it. i hope that mcdermott and meeks combined to be the problem. also, training camp will give these guys more tackling practice.
by usana_gaines on Feb 1, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
A brand new position coach is not going to give a media member an honest evaluation of a player.
I think all we need to do is remember what JR said about Martin. “He plays safety.”
Yeah…not a ringing endorsement. Let’s not forget just how awful he was last year.
We need a nose tackle.
+ Rivera himself said he felt sick after Martin's mistake against.....the Saints was it?
Where he gave up a TD on the last play of the half.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Martin killed us last year...
This is definately a priority. The new coach probably just hasn’t had time to watch film yet.
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by Panthster on Feb 2, 2012 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Finnegan may be available
maybe they can try to go after Finnegan if the Titans don’t resign him.
I would love that. Despite his reputaiton as an agitator and what not, he's actually a good football player.
And he played every single down this past season with Tennessee.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 2, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't he over 30?
I’d like him but he’s asking for a lot of money too.
CAM....CAAAAAAAAM
by CamNewtonSBMVP on Feb 2, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
He actually turns 28 today.
It’s not going to happen. If he leaves TEN he will be highly sought after, and will be looking for a 4 year, $25M+ deal, in my estimation.
Probably too rich for our blood, especially given our current cap situation (yes, I’m aware we can restructure some contracts).
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 2, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah good FA CBs are like gold dust.
They get significantly overpaid if they hit the market.
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Goldust?

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by BW Smith on Feb 2, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
here's the only one I would add to a pretty comprehensive list
No 6: the kracken enigma. – greg hardy has proven himself a very situational pass rushing defensive end- but lacks constancy and decent run stopping ability. Is the combination of him keiser and applewhite enough for this team at this time or is another every down type DE an area the panthers should improve?
That’s just my question though, excellent article. I think the ae question could also be expanded to include other key special team players… Namely orlindo mare and jason baker. I don’t see the team ready to cut the nightmare just yet but I think our punter is looking for a new job
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 1, 2012 7:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would add to the list:
Keep Applewhite. IMO, he is a very good player for this defense
by PantherPlane on Feb 1, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Keep Applewhite and Senn imo. and one of the Guards everybody else can go
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Senn's still under contract
But YES!!! to Applewhite and I think we’ll try to keep Schwartz because of his youth and how well he’s played before his injury last year (remember he was going into the season as our starting RG and we were fine with that). Based on the reports of some of the people we met and interviewed during Senior Bowl and the East-West game, I’m thinking we could try to pair Geoff with his brother Mitchell using a late round pick (I’m thinking he’ll probably still be there come the 5th or 6th). This would present strong ties for the 2 with the team and give us another needed backup OT/G.
Our O-Line post training camp could look like: LT-JG, LG-TW, C-RK, RG-GS, RT-JO with backup’s – GW, BB, MS, and ZW. This gives us 9 solid guys for the 53 next year (assuming we go D early on in the draft and that MS is the only O-line guy we take). And for anyone who doesn’t remember who ZW is it’s Zach Williams, the 6th round guy we took last year who plays both C and G. I think he has more potential than Ziemba or any other scrub we had on our practice squad at the end of the year.
I wish we could keep Applewhite, but another team (the Niners) is probably going to outbid us.
He’s probably going to ask for a multimillion dollar contract, which is too much for our cap to handle.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 2, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I know my opinion on this isn't very popular but...
if Coples somehow falls to us in the draft he is a multi-positional pass rusher (can never have too many of those guys) and plays the run well (also at multiple positions), if not maybe Ingram or Stills. I know we have a lot of concerns on our back 7 but we’ve seen before that it is possible to help a secondary with a great pass rush. Down the line we continue to build our secondary and improve. I just believe great defenses are founded on D-line play and pass rushing. With the offenses we face in this division we’ll never have enough corners on the field to stop the Saints for example…we gotta hit the QB and disrupt the backfield.
I’m not against some of the fine secondary players in this draft, I just think stocking up on pass rushers is the best option if you can’t land an elite DB this high up the draft.
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by Vagus on Feb 1, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The problem I have with Coples is the "I don't think I'll try hard today" problem.
We don’t need that on our team. We had that with Peppers for 9 years, and Coples has a similar mindset (based on my observation), yet he has half the talent that Peppers had.
If we’re going to get a pass rusher, I’d rather us get Ingram or Mercilus than get Coples.
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Great Point BW, I Love Mercilus & Ingram
The only problem I see with Ingram has nothing to do with his talent, it’s just his height.
With Charles Johnson (6-2) at DE, Sione Fua (6-1 1/8) at NT, Terrell McClain (6-1 5/8), and Ingram (6-1 7/8) at the other DE, would probably give the Panthers the shortest D-Line in the NFL. However, Mercilus and Hardy are only 6-4, so it’s only a 2 inch difference.
As much as I like Ingram I'd prefer Stills or someone with more versatility
(meaning the ability to play multiple positions on the line) I completely understand the effort and how it can be off-putting. I don’t he’ll drop as far as us anyways, but I’m just saying don’t be surprised if by some miracle he does fall to us that the Panthers pick him.
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Watch the film on Mercilus...
And I think you will become a fan. He looked great last year, seems smart, and interviews very well.
I would also take Jared Crick or Still (if he is still there) in the second round. I think these picks would really upgrade our whole defensive and allow us to pressure qbs.
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by Panthster on Feb 2, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
IMO, he's looks like a one year wonder. I'm not convinced he worthy of being picked in the top ten.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 2, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
What makes you think one year wonder? His technique looks solid to me. He is smart and explosive. He wasn’t cleaning up tackles other people made. What did you see that I missed? I will watch his film again.
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfjnVVcbZkI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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by Panthster on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're going with a 54 second video of a few highlights?
Not the strongest evidence my friend.
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I hope to god we aren't in position to draft Clowney.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 2, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a cool name for a wannabe hip alternative band: Crying Emoticon.
I don’t know why that came to mind, but I’m going with it anyway.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
LOL
It totally is. In fact…it’s probably the name of someone’s garage/basement ‘band.’
We need a nose tackle.
Well, I know if one forms after 12:29 PM today and becomes famous, I'm suing for stealing the name.
I figure it’s as good of a “get rich quick” scheme as any.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Better than most, in fact.
And you don’t even have to have a home computer or tell anyone your banking information! I say go with it.
We need a nose tackle.
I’ll sure as hell make more money than I did posing in my whitey-tighteys with a ski mask on, I can telly you that much.
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by BW Smith on Feb 2, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you better register the web-site
more income potential…
I agree with you, Rec'd.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 2, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
as awesome as that would be…cost of cutting Mare will be steep. IF it somehow happened i think we replace him with the rookie we brought back later in the year or a kicker we bring in training camp.
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I agree
…cutting Mare and bringing the young buck back would be a good idea. He certainly couldn’t do any worse. Unfortunately, Mare is damaged goods now IMO. I think you’d have a hard time convincing any team that he is reliable. I don’t hate the guy but he certainly didn’t earn that 4 million he’s getting.
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we owe him too much money to cut him
by TheWhite Mamba on Feb 1, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we owed Jake
big money as well. Just saying..lol
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that was a different era of the panthers organization, though
they were dumping all the veterans and all the dead money
by Atlantapanther on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Jake had to go
b/c fox wouldn’t bench him! that was a upper management decision
by TheWhite Mamba on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
What is..
Mare guaranteed amount ?
"if you see my face again, it means I scored again" Steve Smith..
Mare's Guaranteed $3 Million, It Only Saves $200,000 To Cut Him, & Around $380,000 Is The Minimum Replacement Cost
Mare had an off year, but still connected on 78.6% of his FG’s. Only 11 kickers were over 85% (only 1 or 2 less missed FG’s), and 4 over 90%. Here are some of the kickers with worse FG percentages than Mare:
Ryan Longwell – 78.6% (same as Mare)
Matt Prater – 76.0%
Nick Folk – 76.0%
Billy Cundiff – 75.7%
Graham Gano – 75.6%
Zack Brown – 75.0%
Shaun Suishan – 74.2%
The posters wishing to cut Mare also conviently overlook all the touchbacks that Mare had.
by PanthersRoar on Feb 2, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd have had an 80% touchback ratio with the new rules.
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we played against each other like puppets, swearin you got pull
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is broken dreams flying away on the wings of the obscene
Thoughts that people put in the air
Places where you could get murdered over a glare
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I hate to keep bringing this up, but Travelle Wharton has reached the final two years of a backloaded contract...
Do we sign the 32-year old very good LG to an extension? Yes, we have to. But, do we tailor the extension to be trade-friendly, with a good, not great, signing bonus. Definitely… wonder what the market would be for an extremely durable and consistent Left Guard? I wouldn’t let him go for less than a high 4th rounder, maybe sweetening the deal by throwing in Sherrod or Goodson to move to mid/upper 3rd round.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
If You Extend Wharton's Contract, You'll Be Paying For A 34 Year Old By Adding Extra Years
Wharton will count $8.1 Million against the cap this year, and his base guaranteed 2011 salary is $5.7 million. I think the Panthers will force Wharton to accept a pay cut down to around $2.5-3 million, or he’ll be cut.
by PanthersRoar on Feb 2, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We would be freaking morons to outright cut TW this year. He is one of the most underated guys on this team. We wouldn't be able to get his production from anyone else on the roster unless we spend a 1st or 2nd on a new G.
I say that and I still don’t think a 2nd round guy would be as productive and solid for us.
David, Hangartner Is A Year Younger & Only Made $2.8 Million in 2011, Re-Sign Him For LG, Schwartz Is Returning To RG
Take who ever will work for less money in 2011, Hangartner or Wharton.
As much as I love Travelle
I think this would be prudent.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 2, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Here here.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 2, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
The only positive I have with Hangartner is his ability to rotate in as a backup C. The memories I see are him trying to arm block defenders and getting continually beat. He and Byron Bell just didn't mesh and let in a lot of pressure from that side.
Yes a lot of that blame is on Bell too, but I think Schwartz is a better G than Hangartner (we do have to assume there is a reason the Bills let him go after signing him away from us previously) and unless Hangartner is ultimately the cheaper re-sign of the 2 I think he will be the one to go.
great as he has been
How much money would we save by cutting him? Our cap situation is in a poor state, I would rule out any big moves like this
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Feb 2, 2012 5:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Accept a pay cut.....or go on the free agent market WITH the guaranteed money we hand you and sign another contract elsewhere".
Oh yeah, that’s a touch bargaining position we’ve got there(!)
If he wants to stay here for the duration of his career we’ll probably work something out. There’s no forcing about it.
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Wharton seems like the kind of guy who will stay in Charlotte. He has ties to the Carolinas, being a USC grad, and only playing professionally for the Panthers. To me, he seems like one of those guys who will voluntarily re-work his deal to help add some cap space and ensure that he can finish his career where it started.
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# 6. What to do with the starting receiver opposite Steve Smith
I doubt we sign a big name in free agency but do we pick someone up in the draft? Or look for lafell or gettis to fill the position?
by hey. on Feb 1, 2012 8:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Did you see how well LaFell played this year?
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by Smitty89 on Feb 1, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
to play devil’s advocate we have been burned in the past on future perceptions on people. I love Lafell and Gettis both but they still have a ways to go before they are proven #2 WR’s.
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I actually think Brandon's play, especially his play in the second half when Legz was a bit hobbled, showed he should be ready to take on the #2 next season...
He’s done nothing but improve since day one, and made a huge leap from last year to this year in terms of catching the ball (it was like he had some good ol’ Biletnikoff Sitck-um at times this season); he’s a great blocker, and seems to be getting better at getting open than he used to be…this is very different from our past youth projects at #2, seeing as Keary showed everything he had his rookie year (unfortunately), and DUI…well, we don’t need to reopen old wounds lol
I’m not sure how Gettis fits back into the offense, although I’m optimistic, but at the very least I think we can be much more confident in Brandon continuing to improve and solidify his spot on the team this season than could be said about our previous failures to replace Moose….
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i wasn’t just saying at the WR position. Im talking in general we have gone with a guy in hopes and in good faith he becomes that guy we need him to be. Lafell has come along way and i want nothing more then for him and Gettis who i think will thrive in this air it out offense if his speed returns. But both men came into camp out of shape both men got into the dog house rather quickly and it took Lafell until the end of the year to fight out of it. Both guys have the “Potential” to be #2 WR’s. but you never know how things will play out is what i am saying. Both men will get there shot this year i believe as long as they take it serious and come into camp in shape ready to go and have no set backs.
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Gettis was not in the dog house!
he was number 2 till the injury!
by TheWhite Mamba on Feb 1, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Gettis and Laffell both were not impressing Rivera…hence why we brought in Nannae. that move was made before Gettis went down
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I disagree
I think Rivera brought Nannee in because he was so much more familiar with the offense and I think LaFell and Gettis simply didn’t catch on very quickly due to the short off season. Keep in mind that they both barely had an off season and it was only there second year. And also add the fact that they weren’t taught very much under Foxy.
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by cnterfld21 on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, i agree there but .........
gettis was still number 2 at that point….im pretty sure. any way like i said below we need a number 1….not just a number 2…Steve wont last forever!
by TheWhite Mamba on Feb 1, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well
I won’t argue with you there. We certainly need a SS89 replacement, but I can’t see using an early pick on a WR unless Blackmon falls to us.
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oh yeah by no means am i saying......
use a high draft pick on a WR this draft! FA or a late round GEM….they are everywhere….hopefully Ron can find them better than Foxxy
by TheWhite Mamba on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love the Biletnikoff Stick-um, lol.
But i’m not convinced on Lafell. He seemed to disappear at times, probably because he struggled to get separation. Many games he only recorded 2-3 rec.’s, not really #2 WR numbers.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 1, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
I don’t know if it’s his lack of quickness to get separation or imperfect route running but coverage seems to always be pretty tight on him minus blown coverages. I still love the idea of him being our number three receiver though
by hey. on Feb 1, 2012 10:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's never going to get great separation.
With someone like LaFell it’s all about him earning the trust of Newton. If Cam is confident that if he fires the ball into LaFell, Brandon is going to come up with it (mainly by using his body to shield the DB like Moose used to do) then he won’t need to have two or three steps on the CB.
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Bingo
And I think he has proven that he has the hands to fit well in that role, and can make the clutch catch.
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He was the #3 WR for most of the year.
In an offence where Smith is generally the first read, then it’s the two TEs, then the #2 WR then probably the RB.
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Looking at the last 5 games of the year, Lafell 2 passes, 3 passes, 0 passes, 2 passes, and 3 passes.
I agree, though, he probably didn’t a ton of looks, because of Smitty, the TE’s, and the RB’s, not to mention the lack of reads Cam would make each play. But, Lafell didn’t/doesn’t inspire any fear in opposing defenses, fear that would take the pressure off of Smitty, and the TE’s.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 2, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that lafell shows a ton of promise
But committing to him as a number two receiver from the start of training camp is a pretty huge risk. I love the idea of him being a number three receiver for the long term due to his sure hands and great blocking but I’m not sold on him as being our long term number two. Not yet at least. I’m not saying we take a guy in the first round but I don’t think we should go forward with Gettis and Lafell as the only two receivers competing for the slot opposite Steve Smith
by hey. on Feb 1, 2012 10:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree that LaFell could be a great long term 3
But I dont mind LaFell and Gettis being our number 2 and 3 as long as Gettis and LaFell continue to improve.
All this talk about need a number 2..................
We need a number 1 so Steve smith can play number 2!
by TheWhite Mamba on Feb 1, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't Pilares supposed to be a receiver?
And Edwards? So far neither of them have had a chance. This off season they will have Smith, Lafell, Gettis, Pilares, Edwards. I think Edwards could be 1 of those multiple position players still. Maybe he isn’t the answer at punt returns but he can be a back up if needed for it. He can also be a back up receiver if needed for it (with a little more practice this off season). And last but not leaset, he can be a back up QB that is somewhat similar to Newton minus the size.
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Hey, Good Point, LaFell Is A Good #3 WR, But The Panthers Need Better Speed In A #2 WR On The Other Side From Smith
Maybe that’s Gettis.
Drafting a WR in any round of the draft is something of a crap shoot.
Edwards and Pilares both have yet to catch their 1st regular season pass. Naanee is a Free Agent, and that leaves only Smith, LaFell, and Ajirotutu as WR’s with catches in 2011.
With the Panthers cap space so tight, the Panthers might have to go bottom fishing in the free agent market for a WR, and here are 3:
Eddie Royal (5-10, 185, 4.39-40, 26 years old), how much has he slowed down?
2008 – 91 catches – 10.8 YPC – 5 TD’s – 14 punt returns – 10.0 average – L36 yds
2009 – 37 catches – 9.3 YPC – 0 TD’s – 30 punt returns – 11.2 average – 71 yd TD
2010 – 59 catches – 10.6 YPC – 3 TD’s – 25 punt returns – 11.9 average – L33 yds
2011 – 19 catches – 8.2 YPC – 1 TD – 12 punt returns – 16.2 average – 85 yd TD
He also has kick return for a TD.
Chaz Schilens (6-4, 225, 4.38-40 age 26) Have injuries taken any of his speed?
2008 – injured
2009 – 8 games – 29 catches – 12.6 YPC – 2 TD’s
2010 – injured for all but 5 games
2011 – 15 games – 23 catches – 11.8 YPC – 2 TD’s
Steve Smith (5-11, 195, 4.44-40), Is he fully recoverd from his mid 2010 injury?
2009 – 107 catches – 11.4 YPC – 7 TD’s
2010 – 48 catches – 11.0 YPC – 3 TD’s
2011 – 11 catches – 11.3 YPC – 1 TD
I'd be interested in bringing those guys in for camp.
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by Son of a Newton on Feb 2, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Going to call BS on that premise....
Greg Jennings, Lance Moore, Hakeem Nicks. All of those are #2 WRs and who of them has “elite speed”?
WRs don’t need to have elite speed to beat you.
Depends what you define as elite speed. You aren't catching Jennings, Moore or Nicks if they get behind you.
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But neither of them are considered to have elite speed
And no one caught up to LaFell on that 91 yard TD pass
I LMAO at you saying greg jennings and hakeem nicks are #2 wr's. You're going to point out that Victor Cruz was Eli's go-to wr on that team this year and it's true, but for he is their #1 and we all know that.
Yeah Victor Cruz...
and Jordy Nelson would like a word with you.
Nelson saw 96 targets to Jennings’s 101, and had over 300 more yards.
Cruz saw 131 targets to Nicks’s 133, and he had over 400 more yards than Nicks.
Jennings and Nicks may have started out the season as #1 WRs, but based on production… They aren’t keeping that spot.
Gotta agree with david
Cruz wouldn’t catch nearly as many passes if the defense wasn’t honed in on Nicks. When they doubled Cruz instead Nicks had monster games. He’s the true number one there
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by Imisshooooooooov on Feb 3, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair...
That really only applies to Gettis in this case.
I know who you’re thinking of: Jarret, Kolbert, Carter, and to some extent Hackett. None of them really showed us anything during the games that on any sort of consistent basis. LaFell on the other hand has. He was clutch all season long when we needed a big play.
i was talking ALL positions. Not just WR’s. We have had guys pegged as starters only to realize early on in the next season the guy just wasn’t on that level.
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Just because he's clutch
Doesn’t make him a number two receiver. Im not trying to take away the plays he made this year because he did make a lot of impressive catches but if you watch the tape, he doesn’t get separation on a consistent basis. Like someone said a few comments up, there are a lot of times when he disappears in the game due to the simple face that he struggles getting open a lot of the time. Lafell is a great third reviewer and he can come up with big plays in the clutch but to start next year with him as our starter? That’s a pretty big risk
by hey. on Feb 1, 2012 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My bad for the punctuation and grammar issues
Damn phone
by hey. on Feb 1, 2012 10:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, but I think in this case we can make an exception.
First of all, our TEs take a lot of receptions from our WRs. Let’s not try to forget that one important detail. There are only so many balls going around and even if we remain as pass-heavy as we were this past year, this is just an undeniable hard cap.
Secondly, for the entire year, LaFell played well. When given the chance, he proved reliable. I’m willing to bet that if he had the familiarity with Chudz’s system, we might not have even signed Legedu.
And finally, when he stepped into the #2 role, he did shine. Here’s a bit of info on his starts after Dec. 4th:
Week 13: 3 out of 12 completions (25%) for 64 yards out of 204 total passing yards (32%)
Week 14: 2 out of 19 completions (10.5%) for 28 yards out of 276 yards (10.1%)
Week 15: 0 out of 13 completions (0.0%) for 0 yards out of 149 yards (0.0%)
Week 16: 3 out of 12 completions (25%) for 103 yards out of 171 yards (60.2%)
Week 17: 2 out of 15 completions (13.3%) for 27 yards out of 158 yards (17.1%)
So, with the exception of Week 15 (Texans), he had at least 2 receptions every game, making up at least 10% of our total passing offense. In two different weeks, (13 and 16) he lead the team in receiving yards.
Honestly, I’ll take it. For being the “#3” WR, he was 2nd on the team in yards, ahead of Greg Olsen, who was the #2 throughout most of the year, and Legedu Naanee our #2 WR (who finished 4th in yards). Not only did he pull this off, but he was 6th in total team receptions behind Jeremy Shockey. (Fun fact: Jonathan Stewart had the 2nd most receptions).
To me, LaFell is more than capable of stepping up into the #2 role. Hell, he already is the #2 stats wise, and he did that starting behind Naanee for most of the year.
David Tyree was clutch.
Where is he now? I like LaFell but he hasn’t consistently been able to get open and make plays regularly.
Say all you want about the TEs being #2 but when teams doubled up Smitty, Cam still had nowhere else to go and tried to force it to him anyways leading to INTs
CAM....CAAAAAAAAM
by CamNewtonSBMVP on Feb 2, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not to be rude, but you are talking straight out of your ass.
LaFell caught 65% of the passes thrown his way. Compare that to Smith (61%), Olsen (50%), Naanee (58%), and Shockey (59%). The only person with a better catch rate was Stewart (77%).
Compare that to the rest of the league:
Calvin Johnson: 61%
Victor Cruz: 62%
Larry Fitzgerald: 52%
LaFell was 6th on the team in targets, but 2nd in total yards and 1st on the team in catch-rate.
LaFell has produced at a reasonable level for two years.
Based on the track record of WRs it’s not a huge leap of logic to expect him to continue that improvement into his third year – historically the year most WRs break out.
I would have argued a similar case for Gettis, except he sat out the entire year and we have no idea what the injury has done to his athleticism. Ideally he enters the season as a wild card for us at WR – if he produces, fantastic, if he doesn’t then we have Plan B.
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Gettis and LaFell ...
can get the job done, period. I think it would be much smarter to focus our efforts on the part of our team that is broke….the Defense.
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by cnterfld21 on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just because our offense had one good year
Doesnt mean we should be content and stop adding pieces. Obviously our defense has the biggest holes that need to be filled but that doesn’t require us to neglect positions on the other side of the ball
by hey. on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not what I meant
I didn’t mean ignore the offense, I have be extremely impressed with LaFell and Gettis and our new coaching staff. I just meant we should focus on fixing the defense first, because it is the most urgent need right now. Beason and T.D. returning healthy doesn’t automatically guarantee that the D will return to its old form. We have major concerns at CB and DT that IMO should be the top priority in the draft. However with that being said, if a guy like Blackmon was to fall to us I think we’d be crazy to pass on him.
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If the tag is right...
they seem really, reallllly high on Barnidge though, and my guess is that it would be cheap to keep Brockel or Hartsock in the need for a blocking TE (or someone who can line up as one at least) in case Shocks is too expensive, but Barnidge isn’t too good at blocking. I’d love to see him stick around one more year though, even if only for the attitude and fire he brings to the team…it had been too long since we had that
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Release Hartsock
Keep Brockel. I think Brockel is more versatile and adds to the offense. He is a TE and FB, even though the latter isn’t really employed in Chud’s offense.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 1, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think Brockel added more to this team last year then Hartstock will in his career. Brockel also has the ability to add a solid third TE to the mix of the offense if we resign Shockey.
dont forget Barnidge. The team was really upset when he went down. He was doing great in the pre season before he went down. Id be shocked if he is not back
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Oh yeah forgot about Gary
But we definatly need to get rid of Hartstock and just make Richie the FB amd 4th string TE
I thought they signed Barnidge.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 2, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Probably because he's been here three years and his catches are in the single figures.
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I don't see the point of Hartsock.
If you’ve got him for his blocking abilities you might as well just field an extra OT in those jumbo packages.
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lol @ Shockster.
‘cept he put one in the ____ and three in the ____. That’s just how he rolls.
We need a nose tackle.
Issue #5: Otah
No, I don’t believe we have an adequate backup in either Garry Williams or Byron Bell. Williams is okay as a backup for a few games, but Otah has a propensity to recover slowly when injured. We should draft an OT that has the ability to start at RT, and eventually be the replacement for Gross at LT. If Reiff is on the board, I think we should grab him.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Gary Williams played excellent when he was forced into starting last year.
Byron Bell is still learning, but we definitely are solid with GW (1 of the big reasons I believe this is because the panthers signed him to a 2 year extension prior to the end of the season). The staff knows better than your or I what they have with their players and I trust their decisions.
Devil's advocate.
What if say we draft Reiff and Otah comes back healthy and BLOWS people away in camp/pre-season?
Do you bench the rookie? Do you move Otah inside?
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Yeah. Otah to G. Or Reiff to LT and Gross to G.
Making Gross a G at some point would extend his career by two or three years. He might not be the best run-blocker, but he could play the position.
We need a nose tackle.
Very good article
#1: I think we need to sign Stewart but I understand your point that if we do that then it would hinder us at other positions, but when you have a top 5 offense you need to try and retain it if you can.
#2: We need to reconstructure Davis to a new deal and make him a back up to either a draft pick or FA.
#3: I am still all for Thomas, Wilson, or Dixon, it would be great to get a 7th round pick for Clausen I think with as good as this team is drafting any 7th round pick will contribute more than Clausen.
#4: My view on AE as a WR is still hopeful because changing positions in the NFL is one of the hardest things an athlete will ever do. I dont think the Panthers should draft another reciever unless it is in the 1st or 2nd round where they have a high talent level and still have the best potential to be number 1 recievers. Edwards did improve this year from last with almost no offseason or atleast he showed some improvement in the pre season, so I would like to see if he can continue to improve every year especially sense we used such a high pick on him. Its only been two years even though it seems longer.
#5: I think Otah has a lot of talent and I want to give him one more year to see if he can stay healthy but I would like to see us pick Mithcell Schwartz or Mike Adams as a little insurance.
i don’t think you can say limit WR to the first two rounds…Gettis was a 6th round pick. Colston a FA for the Saints was the last pick in the draft. Im not saying it is common but you can find damn good talent deep in drafts. Hell i trust Hurney more in rounds 6th and 7th then i do in the 2nd
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my mistake i knew it was late as hell. I thought i recalled somebody calling him Mr Irrelevant way back when. 2006 is awhile ago so 3 spots off isnt too bad lol
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I know, im not saying you cant find number 1 recievers in later rounds
Im just saying it is less likely that they will ever surpass LaFell and Gettis on the depth chart and I dont really want to just draft a guy to replace AE on the roster. But will I be upset if we draft one? No of course not but I would rather keep AE than bring in a guy that would probably be a benchwarmer for his career amd even though AE could probably be that we gave up a 2nd round pick for him ( or was it a 3rd?) and I want to see him get atleast one more year.
I would hate to be in the FO this offseason
We need to keep Stewie. To hell with trades and what not…Hurney should only deal The Beef if the price is right. I am torn about TD. Maybe the best thing to do is let him go and give someone else a chance. Having a player who is constantly injured is bad for business.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Feb 1, 2012 9:44 PM EST reply actions
I don't see Jimmy going to the NFC West.
But I also really don’t see teams that are desperate enough to trade for him to be their QBOTF rather than just grab a mediocre vet from free agency for the short term and hope to address their QB problem in the future.
I mean…it’s Jimmy. He’s not exactly…worth anything at this point.
by runningblack on Feb 1, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
No he is not worth much
But maybe package him with another player or Jimmy and a 7th for a 6th or 5th just to get rid of him.
Maybe The Jets?
They seem to want a backup QB who’s no threat to take the starting job away from the Schanchise.
That would be the most epic QB battle ever.
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Oops, sorry:
That would be the most epic QB battle ever.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
It would be the QB equivalent of this...

We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 2, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Imma rec that.
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Clausen is dead weight ..
He will never succeed in Chud’s offense so why keep him? Not hating on Jimmy, but he just isn’t starter material. I say draft a guy that has a decent arm with similar Cam speed and agility (Wilson maybe?) then let Shula teach him the rest. That way you end up with a bargain Cam wanna be…lol
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Derek Anderson was dead weight also
He was a Ravens cast off before he played for Chud one season in Cleveland. I think Derek Anderson and Jimmy Clausen have a lot more in common skill set wise with each other than either do with Cam. I agree Clausen won’t be a Panther for much longer and have no problem with it but i dont think the square peg round hole argument is accurate.
No he isn't.
He actually going to be quite good, IMO.
No, I am not a NC State or Wisconsin fan.
We need a nose tackle.
yea man, 5'9 QB is going to be very good
he won’t be able to see over the line
He's had a lot of success so far.
He’s 5’ 11", not 5’ 9".
Don’t patronize me, bro. No need for snark. Just say he won’t see over the line.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 2, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Even I think QBs have to be 6'+ and I'm the bandwagon driver of getting more under 6' guys in the league.
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TD ?!?!
we have to keep Davis. Guys that are devoted to there teams like he is, are becoming extremely hard to find these days. Most players are money hungry punks who never live up to expectations anyway. It’s refreshing to see someone who has some loyalty for a change.
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he will be back!
he already said he will take pay cut to stay!
by TheWhite Mamba on Feb 1, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Just wondering...
But is your period key missing from your keyboard, or are you just always excited? You seem to use the exclamation point a lot.
Not trying to be a grammar nazi asshole…I’m genuinely curious.
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How much is Stewarts contract going to be for?
I like both players, but I think it is over investing at the running back position. When you have Cam Newton at QB who can scramble for more yards than your RB’s potentially you need 2 big contract RB’s even less in my opinion.
So a question for the advocates of keeping both DWill and JStew ……how much do we pay Stew? Exact same as DWill? Less? More?
If you could spend 50 million on any one players contract this season, free agent or otherwise, any position, you would really want it to be Jonathan Stewart?
stewie will stay....
I bet Dwill restructures his contract to help stewie stay! they are best of friends
by TheWhite Mamba on Feb 1, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I wouldn't count on that
but i’d like to hear your scenario for it happening, salary figures, years etc.
I was getting ready to reply the same thing.
That is if Stewey is still comfortable being a backup and not ready to become some other teams #1 (similar to Michael Turner).
I hated Shockey ...
when he was in the big easy. But he quickly became one of my more favorite players as the season progressed. It’s is amazing how a change in uniform will do that to ya :)
I sincerely hope we can sign him for at least another year or so.
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Nah...I'm pretty sure he'll take a low minimum like 2 mill for 2 years or something crazy like that to stay with the team.
He's already got his Ring and I think he'd just enjoy riding out the end of his career helping Cam start his
Plus he gets to be a complement to Greg and that way he’s less likely to collect injuries.
I said it before......
I Got Faith in BAMF
by TheWhite Mamba on Feb 1, 2012 11:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
good read, much appreciated.
i think there are many, many more unresolved issues that loom huge this offseason though, such as the salary cap and draft. the secondary, middle of the d-line and linebacker depth all seem like question marks as well, but the biggest unresolved issue would have to be how to get another top shelf target on the outside for cam to blossom. anyways, it’ll be fun to see how it all plays out.
It wouldn't surprise me if Green Bay come calling for J. Clausen
Matt Flynn is about to be an UFA, and we know it would be a risk for them to franchise and trade him. Also in the Comp. Pick for 2013 they would only probably receive a 7th pick for him since he wasn’t a major contributor to the team in 2011. Clausen has alot of upside, and the best place for him would be Green Bay. He can wait and learn from one of the best. Probably a 4th round pick in 2013. What do you guys think?
by panthertillidrop on Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions
You can't franchise a player to trade him anymore.
They changed that rule under the new CBA. The Packers either have to a) franchise him and keep him, or b) let him walk as a free agent.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
He could agree to sign and trade with them, but that would be stupid 'cause he would just be hurting his new team.
We need a nose tackle.
There is a solution though...
Trade Aaron Rodgers and sign Flynn to a multi-year deal.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Panthers defensives woes....
Is there anyone out there that think that the Panthers would be better if they switched to a 3-4 defense….they have the coaches for it,all they need is a massive nose tackle…
No.
We don’t have a NT. Fua is tiny, and gets destroyed if he is double teamed. I’ve watched some early season games over again, watching the DT play, and he literally gets pushed five yards off the ball at times. If Ron Edwards comes back, he could play the position, but he would be better suited as a NT in a 4-3.
We don’t have two 3-4 DEs…CJ and Hardy would be undersized, and it would lesser their roles as pass rushers. Neblett and McClain aren’t tall enough, but are the closest things we have to 5 techniques. You need these guys to be 6 foot 4 and 300+. We just don’t have the horses.
We don’t have two OLBs who are big enough. Anderson, Gaither, Davis, T. Williams, and Senn are all 4-3 guys. CJ and Hardy are not accustom to dropping into coverage, and probably would be liabilities if they did, so they wouldn’t work either. Applewhite, Norwood and Keiser would be okay, but are they good enough at this stage to be your primary pass rushers?
We don’t have two 3-4 MLBs, either. Beason is at his best when he can run from sideline to sideline—which he could do if we found him some serviceable DTs. He is not going to excel when he has to smash into guards all day long. One of the 3-4 MLBs is the Mike, the other is usually the Jack. The Mike needs to be at least 250lbs. He will take on interior offensive lineman on most snaps, so it’s imperative that he has good size. In some schemes, he is essentially a third DT. The Jack is more often in coverage, so maybe Beason could do that, but he would still have to take on lineman now and again. If we draft Burfict, or someone like that, then maybe it’s a sign that Rivera wants more formation flexibility.
But as I see it, we will continue to run a base 4-3, because 75%+ of our personnel are exclusively 4-3 guys. Occasionally we would lineup in a 3-4 last season, but it was used as a gimmick. When we were having trouble getting pressure, we would go to it once or twice in a effort to get a free rusher by confusing the OL. It never really worked, though.
We need a nose tackle.
by ERL on Feb 5, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Cam's Backup
Armanti Edwards shoud be Cam’s backup. He is the only QB on the team with similar skills to Cam’s. I’m not saying he is as good as Cam, just that he has the speed and the arm with better accuracy than Cam that would enable him to run this type offense. Yes he is under-sized, but he has good vision and was used to running a fast pace, quick strike offense in college. He would certainly be a better choice as back up than Clausen or Anderson.

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