BCS Final Panthers 2012 Draft Prospect Scouting Recap
There were a number of players that could be potential Panthers come the April draft, and I do mean a high number. There are no less than 12 legit NFL draft prospects in this game between the two teams. Here's how each is rated, any statistics from the game and with some editorial comments based on what I saw watching the game:
Alabama
CB Dre Kirkpatrick - A top 10 pick in my view and my top choice for the Panthers at #8-9 at this point. He played well in this game though he doesn't show up in the stat book much. The Tigers shied away from Dre early and instead tested Menzie (see below)
RB Trent Richardson - A 1st round prospect projected to go anywhere between 5 and 20; He ran strong in this game and though he was bottled up in the first half he finished with 96 yards on 20 carries and a back breaking TD
OLB Courtney Upshaw - One of the top if not the top 3-4 OLB in the draft, should the Panthers switch to a 3-4. Some call him a tweener which may interest Rivera; Recorded a nice sack that showed his speed
SS Mark Barron - A 1-2 round prospect known for hard hitting; landed a hard hit early and was quick to keep Jefferson in check on the ground; he played well in this game though the Tigers did get some pressure on McCarron, I think most of it came up the middle or from the right side
T Barrett Jones - If he declares as expected, the Outland Trophy winner is a late 1st, early 2nd round pick in a draft that is pretty deep at OL
ILB Donta Hightower - If he declares could be a late 1st rounder; Looked fast on a key sack and FF in the 4th quarter; looks like a proto-typical 3-4 ILB
CB DeQuan Menzie - A mid-round prospect who played tough at the line of scrimmage; covered the smoke play well. At 6'0" 195 he gives the Tide two big corners. Gave up a couple passes but kept everything in front of him
C Will Vlachos - A mid round pick who shows some power up the middle; Starting late in the 3rd quarter the Tide o-line started opening up holes and Vlachos gets serious credit
N/DT Josh Chapman - A true 3-4 NT at 310 pounds; he's what BW calls 'a big fatty' in the middle; considering Bama dominated the Tigers rushing game, 1.4 ypc overall I would say Chapman held the point well.
WR Marquis Maze - Listed as a mid to late round pick but looked real good on a 49 yard punt return, right up until he pulled his hammy. We will have monitor his recovery but the kid looked like he had some skills
LSU
CB Morris Claiborne - A consensus top 5 pick that should be gone before the Panthers pick but if he's there the Panthers won't hesitate; Played well in this game for the most part as the Tide picked on the honey badger #7 Matthieu I believe
WR Rueben Randle - Listed as a 2nd to 3rd round prospect who looks like a less skilled LaFell...more like a late round pick to me
TE Michael Williams - A late round prospect as a blocking TE; no interest
G Will Blackwell - A late round prospect; LSU's o-line did not impress with the run or pass protecgtion
FS Brandon Taylor - A mid round pick with nice size 6'0" 191lbs; didn't see much of him
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Of course.
Alabama is #1, they are Champions. Really, why is this a debate? There ain’t no reward for 2nd place!
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
if you ain't first, you're last
Go UNC football!!! Won as many national championships this year as LSU.
by usana_gaines on Jan 10, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
About the poll question
Alabama would have played OK State in the 1st rd of the plus 1, with Stanford playing LSU. The winners would then play so LSU wouldn’t have played OK State in the final
Straight Cash Homey
by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Jan 10, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Upshaw is really peaking my interest
Von Miller was able to make the transition from 3-4 to 4-3 OLB, and while Upshaw is a little larger and a touch slower he has that innate ability to rush a passer that transitions well.
If Rivera are company are looking to go defense in the 1st and are able to trade back I think he could be a very real target.
Other than that, I liked what I saw from Dre K, didn’t get a good sense of Claiborne… but I know his ability from the rest of the season.
Upshaw looks good
"Shh! Be quiet everyone. That includes me. Shh! Who’s making that noise? Oh, it’s me again…"
by Panthster on Jan 10, 2012 9:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not so sure Upshaw really translates well to Miller.
Miller weighed in at about 246 lbs. while Upshaw is at 265. And Upshaw is predicted to have run a 4.76, while Miller ran a 4.42.
I think Upshaw will be a good rush 3-4 OLB, but I don’t think that a transition to the 4-3 would bode well for his career.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 10, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
had it been close, i woulda said split the championship
but this was a beat down by Bama, they should be the unanimous champs
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Jan 9, 2012 11:54 PM EST reply actions
I agree with james.
I liked hightower, Kirkpatrick and upshaw. Jordan Jefferson looked HORRENDOUS. Kinda scary lol
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I feel much better about Dre K
After his performance tonight. He played with a lot of confidence and ability and consistently made plays/helped inside the box. I also wouldn’t be opposed to either Safeties in this game if one fell or Chapman
"One step at a time"
by mcdonaldwr on Jan 10, 2012 12:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Chapman in later rounds that is
LSU’s O-Line aren’t exactly world beaters
"One step at a time"
by mcdonaldwr on Jan 10, 2012 12:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dre reminds me of younger Chris Gamble
by panthertillidrop on Jan 10, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's a pretty good comparison.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 10, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
We won't
But if he’s available at our pick, the trade back scenarios become very interesting.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 10, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
there's no way we draft him
we just signed d will for 5 years
I’m curious if he falls as much as Ingram did last year. There are a lot of running backs in the NFL.
by Atlantapanther on Jan 10, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
just stop
John Fox has left the building we are not drafting Trent Richardson.
No, it should be 'Don't do it'
Why did I just flash back to the ’80s?
lol
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Barron in round 2 perhaps?
We would have to consder it if he was there, right?
Dre K looks good, great instincts and ability but damn he looks wiry and thin ……….. will he hold up in the NFL? I know he has laid some licks this season. If this guy develops he could be amazing.
I don't think he lasts til our second pick
But if he’s there then I’d take him in a heartbeat.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 10, 2012 12:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
We could reallllly use Baron and his 70 tackles
"Shh! Be quiet everyone. That includes me. Shh! Who’s making that noise? Oh, it’s me again…"
by Panthster on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dre K has some good ability to make tackles for loss
I think I saw a couple this game. I just remember one of them it looked like he wasn’t even trying and still almost got his man to fall down.
Thats my priblem with him
“almost tackled” He is fast and is in good position, but he just holds the man until Barron or somebody else makes the tackle. We don’t need anymore bad tacklers, imo.
"Shh! Be quiet everyone. That includes me. Shh! Who’s making that noise? Oh, it’s me again…"
by Panthster on Jan 10, 2012 9:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea all in all i still like Dre K. I will say though that if Dre K and Claiborne are gone, we should go for a playmaker at WR.. At this point, any defensive player other than Claiborne or Dre K would be a reach at number 8. I would venture to guess that there will still be a wealth of very solid defensive options come the 2nd round
You're really starting to come around
You are absolutely right. But I wouldn’t rule out offensive line at #8/9 either.
Reuben Randle will be a mid round steal
He did not do much last night but in the right offense I think he can thrive
Straight Cash Homey
by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Jan 10, 2012 8:24 AM EST reply actions
Agreed, as a mid-round pick I think he has a lot of talent. Similar to Devier Posey.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 10, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
One thing is certain
Whoever drafts Barkevious Mingo in two years will automatically win the 2014 NFL draft
by James Dator on Jan 10, 2012 8:32 AM EST via Android app reply actions
He doesn't even have to pan out....just drafting a guy named Barkevious Mingo is an auto-win.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Precisely
I can see it now: Big Money and Bark Mingo as our DEs
by James Dator on Jan 10, 2012 8:46 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I like it.
No….wait. I love it.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Two trade down scenarios to watch pertaining last night's game
Cincinnati could move up for Trent Richardson and have two 1st rounders to offer, theirs and Oaklands.
Also the Bills are rumored to be desperate for a WR and they’re at 11 if we move back just 2-3 spots we’d probably be in fair range for Upshaw.
by James Dator on Jan 10, 2012 9:20 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Yup, that's what I'm thinking
Not sure what the compensation would be to move back two spots… But I’m thinking the 8/9 and our 4th for the 11th, their 2nd and 5th would be fair
by James Dator on Jan 10, 2012 9:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I like it.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
My rosterbatory mind needs to share...
If we moved back to 11 and got the picks outlined above we could potentially leave the 1st and 2nd round with Jonathan Martin, Brandon Thompson and Jayron Hosley… I would be a-okay with that.
And by a-okay I mean over the moon
by James Dator on Jan 10, 2012 9:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Did you see the Clemson game?
Umm, Brandon Thompson is not good. I would not be happy with that guy
You can quote that!!!!
I make a point never to scout bowl games
If you only watched Cam in the national Championship last year you’d think he was mediocre.
These kids party in the week leading up to the game, they’re full of nervous energy and they become undisciplined. There is no player in a bowl game who looks the same as they did during the rest of the season.
I’ve watched enough of Brandon Thompson this season to know what he’s capable of, independent of his bowl performance
by James Dator on Jan 10, 2012 10:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I do scout bowl games some (bc many times a players weakness is exposed)
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Jan 10, 2012 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And disagree
The entire south Carolina team looked the same as they did all season, RGIII looked amazing, Trent R too, luck looked good, Blackmon etc etc
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Jan 10, 2012 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If that's the case, than you can't hold into account any of the other prospect's bowl games.
i.e. Quinton Coples, Zach Brown, Dre Kirkpatrick, Courtney Upshaw, and Jayron Hosley.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 10, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
agreed 100%
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Agree that Brandon Thompson is Weak Sauce??
You can quote that!!!!
No. Agreed that getting Martin, Thompson, and Hosley would be a great first two rounds.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I like it too...especially if we can get back in the 3rd round.
There’s going to be some great value picks in the 3rd round, and having a 3rd round pick back AND Greg Olsen would be great.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
What do you guys think about Jared Crick?
I know he is considered to be a late round pick by the same talking heads who considered Cam to be a bad pick at number one, but he is my favorite for our first pick.
"Shh! Be quiet everyone. That includes me. Shh! Who’s making that noise? Oh, it’s me again…"
by Panthster on Jan 10, 2012 9:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He'll be there in the 2nd round because of his injury.
It’s a waste to pick him 8th…he’s going to fall in the draft.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I read...
That he had a torn pectoral muscle which to me doesn’t seem to be enough to drop his draft value. He was able to play two games with the injury before he had surgery. His surgery was needed to get him healthy in time for the combine, according to CBS sports.
"Shh! Be quiet everyone. That includes me. Shh! Who’s making that noise? Oh, it’s me again…"
by Panthster on Jan 10, 2012 9:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's enough to drop him to the 2nd round
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Don't try and compare scenarios haha.. If we pick crick top ten hurney should be fired
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Jan 10, 2012 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not if the "experts" move him up the draft
But I would LOVE to have him in the second round. I just don’t think he will make it there with his stats.
"Shh! Be quiet everyone. That includes me. Shh! Who’s making that noise? Oh, it’s me again…"
by Panthster on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LSU's #1--the safety...
He’s a beast, too. But another true sophomore.
Honestly, the two players I’d target in the 2nd round (just from this game) are Bama’s Chapman (#99) and Hightower (#30).
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
The entire LSU secondary got picked on.. Claiborne was exposed imo
And I saw multiple games of clemson and thompson never stood out. Highly underwhelming, i like our two rookies better.
Zero point in drafting another DT unless he is truly a top ten talent and much better than our rooks (who now have a year experience).
Dre K looked amazing and is my want for the pick (over claiborne for sure). I love the two monster LB’s of Bama too but not sure how they would be in a 4-3. Hightower looked solid in pass coverage too.
The main guy who was exposed was the Honey Badger… Good lord he cannot play CB, his coverage skills are lacking bad.
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Jan 10, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Honey Badger is not really an outside CB, though.
He’s a very good NB and could be a great safety because his tackling is unmatched by anyone his size.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
He even missed a few tackles last night
But I would not play him at CB. Cap’n is the smaller but has much better coverage skills. Mathieu looked like a safety yet will mainly be a contributor in the run game.
He was a 2013 first rd pick til now imo
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
After hearing Musberger say Honey Badger over 9000 times I think it's time to retire the nickname.
By the 2nd quarter I was screaming “Honey Badger does give a shit….stop saying Honey Badger”
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
The one guy I really like
Even though he really doesn’t fit our system, is Hightower. Guy is a beast.
"What do want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
He could play SLB for us. And even though his base spot is the Mike, we saw him put a hand in the dirt and rush from and end position. Honestly, I think he could play any position on the front 7 of a 4-3 defense, with either DT spot being the exceptions.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

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