Vincent Jackson: Just What The Doctor Ordered, Or 6'5" Headache?
This season taught us many things, but one overwhelming truth was that when Cam Newton drops back he becomes an alchemist; taking materials and turning them into gold. It was a season where Newton was the catalyst for Steve Smith's rejuvenation, and the reason Brandon LaFell finally started to 'get it'. However, one can never go wrong in surrounding a player like Newton with more talent, which has led some fans to envision dreams of end-zone acrobatics by Justin Blackmon leading to a team-wide embrace. Unfortunately it seems this dream may be unattainable, as it's almost certain Blackmon will be out of the Panthers clutches. While Alshon Jeffrey wouldn't be a bad option (and one that could be had), perhaps the right decision to to return to familiar ground- sign Vincent Jackson.
Much of this view depends on how highly you regard David Gettis and Brandon LaFell- that's what makes this conversation difficult. Either you believe Gettis is a future #2, and LaFell is a 10-year possession receiver, or you're afraid the former can't recapture his rookie season post injury, and question whether 2011 was an outlier for LaFell. While both sides can make compelling arguments does it really behoove the Carolina Panthers to gamble on this? A legitimate 1,000 yard receiver like Jackson could be the final piece of the offensive puzzle, and wouldn't require a draft pick.
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It's appropriate to talk about Jackson now for one key reason: The Chargers have announced they're not going to use the franchise tag on him. This is telling as a sign of his recent attitude in San Diego. While Jackson has been the consummate professional on the field, off it has been a whole different story. For much of the last three years he's whined, complained and acted petulantly at the state of his contract (or lack thereof). Like so many WRs before him he's vastly out performed his 2nd round contract, but unlike many other receivers, the Chargers haven't relented and paid him.
Now it's set for Jackson to leave, and unlike so much off-season rosterbation there are tangible links that would lead us to believe the Panthers would at least entertain an offer, so long as it wouldn't break the bank. 2011 saw both Legedu Naanee and Seyi Ajirotutu find their way to Carolina from San Diego, and should Rob Chudzinski choose to stay, one wonders if he lobby to get Jackson across from Smitty. In building the offense there's been one reality- what Chud wants, Chud gets. It was this thinking that caused the Panthers to sign Shockey, trade for Olsen, sign Naanee and add Ajirotutu... four players, all with ties to our OC; it's not outside the realm of possibility to conceive this.
Fans tend to hope for the best, and expect the best a lot of the time. Nothing would make me happier than to believe Brandon Hogan is a future #1 corner, LaFell a future #2 WR and Gettis a possibile replacement for Smitty, but when it's all said and done odds are these wont occur. If Jerry Richardson allowed the Panthers to loosen the strings, or if the market for Jackson is waning there's good chance Carolina could swoop in and lock him up. Of course everything is predicated on Rob Chudzinski staying, but it's definitely something for fans to watch as we progress into free agency.
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I'd like to have him
But can we afford him? After all his contract drama I’d imagine he’d bolt to the highest bidder and I don’t think we can do it.
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Do not see it happening
Q: The Panthers no longer pursue high-priced free agents. Do you agree with the strategy?
RICHARDSON: Of course. The times that we have gone out and been aggressive on free agents and paid substantial amounts of money I can’t really think of one player that has justified the money we spent or the cap room he took up.
Q: I’d like to throw out some names and ask your opinion. Wide receiver Brandon LaFell?
RICHARDSON: I think he’s got great potential and I think David Gettis does as well.
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"I don't see no ceiling. I don't see no breaking point." - Cam Newton
So what is JR saying? Maybe our FO is just bad at evaluating free agents? Plenty of teams pay big money for free agents and they work out fine.. Maybe we are just getting the wrong guys.. I dont agree with the line of thinking that just because our FO arent great at evaluating free agents that means we shouldnt sign them.
The bottom line is, you will never be a championship caliber team if you dont aquire free agents, and that applies to all sports.. Where teams go wrong is they aquire free agents and dont put forth the effort at keeping them motivated and just assumes they have the talent to just perform, aka the Eagles.
True a lot of free agents end up being busts but so do draft picks
by PantherTrain on Jan 5, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
The bottom line is, you will never be a championship caliber team if you dont aquire free agents, and that applies to all sports..
That’s simply not true. Championship teams are almost entirely built internally with smart trade/free agent signings supplementing home grown players. Major free agent signings are just as quick to sink your team as they are to push them over the edge because of how inefficient a market it is.
And we stay away from big name free agents because it’s such an inefficient market. “Stars” get overpaid. Solid veterans do not.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The bottom line is, you will never be a championship caliber team if you dont aquire free agents
The 2011 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers disagree with their league high percentage of homegrown talent.
by JDeLong42 on Jan 5, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I agree with your thought process
But I would also say that both Shockey & Olsen were big time free agents. I think their just being more selective and signing low-key, big time players (if that makes sense)…. I don’t think he fits the bill here but our coaches should have a very good idea of who he is and what he is capable of. If he were to come our offense would be unstoppable (only other team I can think of with that many weapons at RB/WR/TE is the Saints and they may very well lose some this season)
"One step at a time"
by mcdonaldwr on Jan 5, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Shockey at one time would have been considered a big name free agent
I don’t consider him one now. Yes, he’s helped our team a lot, and was a smart pickup, but I don’t think he could have been considered a big name free agent at the time he was picked up.
I think most people saw an aging TE past his prime with discipline issues.
I must have missed that interview.
Who was the questioner, and when did the exchange take place?
Do you have a link to it, to share with us? Thanks.
It's in the fanshots.
It was Sorenson I believe, and recently.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 6, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Really now?
Ken Lucas was a very good starting CB for us for a number of years. Might not have been the best at the end of his career but still…
I blame Ken Lucas for losing us the giants game in 2008
He had PI in the endzone that allowed the giants to tie and force OT.
We could’ve gotten #1 seed :(
by Atlantapanther on Jan 7, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think it would have mattered.
Turned out we were pretenders that year.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
The only way I'd want him
is if he’s very affordable. He seems like a diva off the field, and I would rather us not overpay for his up and down production.
Yes do it! This is how I describe our offense currently; say you go out to a restaurant, ok.. You order a big juicy burger and fries. After eating your burger and fries you are fulfilled, you are no longer hungry but there is just one thing missing to fully complete your meal and fill in the cracks.. A dessert! You order your moulton chocolote mouse cake, you eat it and it hits the spot and you are 100% content now.
Thats our offense. Our offense right now is the juicy burger and fries, it tastes great, it even fills you up and you really NEED dessert but you want it anyway to fill in the cracks. Thats how I view our number 2 WR situation and our offense, as good as our offense is now, i still have this craving for dessert, in this case i still have that craving for that legit number 2 WR.. Ive said all along it makes perfect sense to get Vjax, he would fit in this offense right away and a WR like him at number 2 would get our offense on the level of the Pats, Aints and Packers, just unstoppable. i say yes, sign Vjax!
and you really NEED dessert but you want it anyway to fill in the cracks.
and you DON’T really NEED dessert but you want it anyway to fill in the cracks.
Come on – he left out one word in his hurry to get out his thought.
by panthersnbraves on Jan 6, 2012 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
Best response I've seen to PTrain yet.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
That even sounded like Bush metaphor
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 6, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I think you should have used ice cream flavors for your example.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
NO! That's my analogy.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
by BW Smith on Jan 6, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in my best bill clinton voice..... hmm hmmm excuse me george but can u explain to me what an anal ology even is?
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by braves&panthers4ever on Jan 6, 2012 5:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ehh....hmmm
Yes?!
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"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
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by Tater596 on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Okay, maybe this one is the best.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
See, this is what happens when horses drink and gallop. Sad.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Either this is a genius analogy that I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around...
OR…it is a really lame and ill-fitting analogy that has very little bearing on the actual situation.
Let's take a vote...
I choose option B.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
This is all I've got...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I was thinking something like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XREnvJRkif0
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 6, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Which leads me to this...possibly the best YouTube video ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGOzfjScxY4&feature=fvst
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Dude is certifiably nuts.
But it scares me how smart he is.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 6, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I'm picking up what you are putting down PT
Maybe not the best analogy, but I thought your point came through.
Yes our offense is good right now and we don’t necessarily need to add anything to it, but Vjax (or a similar receiver) would be the piece that puts us over the top. From good to great. Tha cherry on top of the sundae.
I don’t disagree that Vjax would be a great addition, but I sincerely doubt we have the cap space for him.
If he could be had for $6.5-7 million
a year, then sure no problem. Nobody can’t really blame AJ Smith for not signing him to a longer deal, 1 more incident could lead to.a year long suspension. Wouldn’t be surprise if he demands close to Larry F type money, which he isn’t worth it. Injury prone, seen him give up on routes etc.
by adam carter on Jan 5, 2012 11:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would rather they use that money and look for defense help.
We could get away with the entire offense we had this year and win a lot more games if we had a decent defense.
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This^^^^^^
+ 50,000,000
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by Caro2daheart... on Jan 6, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
no thank you
He’s not that fast. He’s 6’5". LaFell is 6’2" and Gettis is 6’3", and I think both are faster than him. They are obviously younger and don’t demand #1 receiver money. I don’t think he will be much better than either of them over the long run. When you throw in work ethic and price, he doesn’t compare to LaFell and Gettis.
Your Crazy
To say that he doesnt have work ethic is crazy, other then his “after work” antics how can you say he doesnt? He is an utmost profesional and is a physical specimen, he has the ability to catch that “throw it up” ball as good as anyone in the nfl, and the height to reel in cams high deep pass. I think he would be a great reciever to put in our #1, put gettis in #2 and throw smith in the slot and let him age gracefully….
The only problem is WE NEED TO SPEND OUR MONEY ON D! I belive that gettis can be our 2 and that lafell could be a 2, only time will tell if either can take smiths role, but I would love to sign him for 4 years and get him some slot time like he wants….
I agree with this.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 6, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
i don't see it
If we sign him then I think most character and ethic concerns will have been totally cleared up. Chud would know as well as anyone.
That said, I don’t see it happening. Too much money. Too many other needs.
Vincent Jackson is a bad ass though. Him across from Smitty would be amazing, with a maturing Gettis and Lafell filling in …………. we would have a offense that would be right there with Saints as far as how many ways we can we score on you.
We need more options at receiver ……… not a knock on anyone not named Steve Smith but I think it is naive to imagine that Gettis and LaFell are both better than V Jax.
Hopefully he doesn’t wind up on the Bucs.
JR’s quote made me chuckle though, I can’t think of the last time I went to a Panthers game that justified the money I spent on it. I know how he feels about free agents because I always pick doozies.
I view Gettis as a future #1
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
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you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i agree
Gettis is bigger and faster than LaFell, and if I’m wrong, he’d be a great #3 with LaFell at #2. Smitty has a couple years left, so I really see us having the new greatest show on turf next year.
by usana_gaines on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Smith
needs to become the greatest 2/3 ever to play the game, He wants to move down the depth chart and deservedly so. He doesnt want to burn himself out before he is ready to quit playing, We need a #1 so that smith can move to 2 or 3 depending how many are on the field (not that he would ever really be a 2 lol)
You
are obviously talking about the other Steve Smith (Eagles), or you are referring to the Steve Smith that played QB for the Wolverines. Right?
And over there in the tree, is a chipmunk nest. And that right there, is our corn, best in the city, it's delcious. And that is a crazy lady. So now you pretty much know what I do. Pretty dang exciting, huh?
Stephen A. Smith?
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Gettis
Is not a future #1. He has great North speed, but IMO he lacks the eye of the tiger and the killer instinct of terrorizing across the middle. I hope you are correct, but I just don’t see it.
And over there in the tree, is a chipmunk nest. And that right there, is our corn, best in the city, it's delcious. And that is a crazy lady. So now you pretty much know what I do. Pretty dang exciting, huh?
I was thinking about this earlier
And there’s just no way it would happen. For one, we don’t have the cap space to pay him the big contract he obviously wants. And just because the chargers said they won’t franchise him, doesn’t mean they won’t resign him. I’d honestly be pretty excited if we did manage to sign him, but I just can’t see it happening
by hey. on Jan 6, 2012 12:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Although I didn't like, nor did I understand PantherTrain's analogy, I agree with him...
I would love him here. He’s big, would complement Smitty well, give Cam a great downfield target, and would perfectly fit our system. Furthermore, acquiring him would make our draft day decisions easier, and add immediate experienced talent ready to contribute. If he’s had a sour attitude regarding not getting paid by the Chargers, I could care less.
However, I really don’t think it will happen. He will cost too much. We will simply wallow with our low key signing Naanee.
of all the people desired
Chudzinski pretty much tops the list for me. I don’t think we’ll sign him due to his massive character issues but if he’s the necessary spark we need then let it be so. Frankly, I’d rather test out Gettis and LaFell and perhaps a WR via draft
I swear if we didn't even look in the general direction of a WR in free agency or the draft, I'd be ecstatic.
We have Wide Receivers coming out of our ears! Add to that our potent tight end corps, and Double Trouble being more than viable check down options, and I’d have to say that this is one of our least urgent positions to address this offseason.
Cam will make our current receivers better. Our #2 receiver is already on the roster, and Smith has 2-3 good years left in the tank. I don’t even have a problem with Jackson; I just don’t think we need him.
The whole fascination with “landing a huge free agent” has always bugged me. These guys became huge because another team drafted well, and developed that player into a star. As long as we draft well and take care of our own (see: Johnson, Charles; Williams, DeAngelo), the free agency period will become icing on the cake, not a desperate attempt to fill gaping holes at skill positions.
Newton for '11 ROY! (Update: Etch it in stone)
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!
by Newsinz on Jan 6, 2012 2:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. The "piece of cake(?)" I would add is a Sproles type RB. Jeff Demps anyone?
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Havent seen demps myself but everyone raves about him
"One step at a time"
by mcdonaldwr on Jan 6, 2012 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
two things lines of thinking here.... does he want money or does he want to win
Either choice would lead him away from Carolina
1. Money wise Vikings Rams Jags Bucs Cleveland desperately need a reciever
2. winning wise Pats Ravens
3 Teams in that have a quarterback or drafting a quarterback could try to get a veteran reciever to enhance their signal caller….. Panthers Colts (whoever drafts RG3 and Tannehill in the early rounds)
My bet is he ends up in Cleveland or Miami
Every Reciever in the NFL
Saw what cam did in his rookie season and what he did for smiths career. You think that has no bearing whatsoever? Cam is still looking for the reciever who he will build his legacy with cause smith is on the way out (2-3 in my opinion) He is gonna make us more desirable on the offensive free agent front…..
The WR he'll make his career with
Tore his ACL in camp this year.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 7, 2012 12:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
An issue? Yes
But an ACL injury is nowhere near as serious as it used to be.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 7, 2012 2:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ACL tears are never good
players loose speed, agility, and confidence. and it usually takes 2 years before they are completely back to 100% (if they ever get there) I’m not saying he’s done or anything but you cant assume a player with that kind of injury is going to be the same afterwards, especially a skill player
There is the factor of players wanting to come and play with Newton.
We have Wide Receivers coming out of our ears! Add to that our potent tight end corps, and Double Trouble being more than viable check down options, and I’d have to say that this is one of our least urgent positions to address this offseason.
all fans think that the 3rd and 4th recievers on their roster can be great number 1 recievers. You have to be careful that you step back and look at it without your fan hat on.
Personelly i don’t think he is going to be within price range because of the need for reciever and Luck and Griffin and Tanneyhill will warrent help… plus teams like Cleveland and Vikings Rams and Jags are desperate…
There is always a chance he could want to come play with Newton. This dynamic happen last year with Vick. But i see a player like Reggie Wayne doing that since he is a Vet that likely just wants a good quarterback if he doesn’t get resigned. (likely he follows Manning tho)
all fans think that the 3rd and 4th recievers on their roster can be great number 1 recievers.
I agree, some people are a little too enamored with Gettis and Lafell.
The Panthers should definitely be thinking about the long term strength of our WR corps.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 6, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I think they have the world of potential, however realistically, I don’t think they’ll develop into that.
I think most of us think
that we have time to evaluate them more. This is their first season with a really decent qb. Gettis was in the running for the #2 spot before his injury. Lafell has improved tremendously from last year. We did ok on offense this year with the offense we had. We need to spend any extra money on defense while we evaluate our receivers 1 more year.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
No doubt we need to spend our dough on defense, but the WR position is far from secure.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 7, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say far from secure.
We have 1 of the best with Smith. And, using the guys on our team right now, Newton passed for over 4,000 yards in his rookie year. We only saw Gettis play with Clausen as qb last year and he was going to be the #2 guy up until his injury. With the year he has had to recover I am sure he was learning the play book more so he could come back better than before. I am not saying he will definitely, I am saying we just don’t know yet. It would be a shame for us to spend or use a draft pick on a position that we already have covered instead of our defense that we know for a fact needs help.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
V-Jax is perfect for this team
He has (somewhat) consistent high production. He is from an offense similar to ours, our coaching staff knows him, he would be a viable big target for jump balls, he would be a redzone playmaker, and his good blocking will help us break the big runs…..But it wont happen.
1- We dont have cap space to spend on someone who is going to demand money (whether it is deserved or not)
2- Hurney basically straight up said “No big name FA’s”
I would love to see it happen, but I think it’s unrealistic.
Paper Lions rarely have teeth...
once the season starts- they seem to fall apart- see redskins for past umpteen years, eagles this year, etc., etc., New Orleans has an awesome line-up of receivers and te’s, and correct me if i’m wrong- but they are all draft pick/homegrown talent. The big piece they added was Sproles this year- which was an upgrade from Bush whom they drafted. I feel like we have pieces in place with receiver’s to fuel us for quite some time. If you look at Brees and Manning and Brady, they make good receiver’s better- because they are accurate and smart. Hard working receiver’s can thrive with a great QB. As Cam gets more experience, and his accuracy and decision making improve- we’ll also see a huge step up from our receiver corps. Leave high-priced potential headaches for other teams to deal with- Carolina looks fine to me in the receiving dept.
by toonman on Jan 6, 2012 8:44 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Very well said!
Rec’d, I couldn’t agree more. Many teams have the talent and are lacking the QB to make their receivers better. Obviously with Cam’s work ethic and wherewithal to get better will make all the people around him rise to the occasion and become better. We also have coaches that are actually “coaching”.
I am perfectly content with taking the guys that we have and making them exactly what we need to fit the system and the personnel to make the team win the Superb Owl!
Only thing I disagree with
Bush and Sproles are probably a sidegrade, Bush had a good season this year in Miami as the featured back, finally showed he could be more than just a change of pace guy.
Of course, Sproles is cheaper, and has added just another weapon for them.
God I hate the Saints.
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Re Sproles, and his pursuit last game, of the Total Yds record:
Anybody else think it was a little cheesy, the way he kept running kicks back, from 8 yds deep in the EZ, realizing he probably wouldn’t get back to the 20, but adding 25-26 yds to this total?
I didn’t look it up to see how many yds he exceeded the previous record by, but if it was less than 54, he got it that way. Wonder how many others he piled up that way, recently.
At the time I was irked by it
Also,Jimmy Graham is on my bad side after trying to pull that rediculous flop in the first matchup. So when he ran over us the 2nd time, I was secretley wishing someone would give him a good reason to fall to the ground (nothing too serious of course, just a scare to bench him and rest him for the playoffs).
But later on, I thought that if our team had a chance to have a few players break some records, I would be ecstatic if it were to pan out.
Also, the Patriots are stealers of thunder. Cam threw for over 400 yards his first two games and then friggin Brady had to do it a few hours later. Same thing with Graham and Gronkowski. I’d rather see a Saint with a record than any Patriot any day of the century.
by IsaidgoodDAY! on Jan 6, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Jackson
Lot of off field baggage. Too expensive. No cap space. When you say you want him, also put players who would have to be cut or not resigned. He will probably be at least 8-10 million a year. We build through the draft. Just look at our team. The FA’S that we sign are basically cheaper and fill a immediate need. Albeit a short tem fix. I say no way in hell we sign him even if he had no off field issues. Also, he seems to be hurt a lot. I’am content with what we have going into next year. If we sign any FA’s, they will be on def. and not very expensive.
You wouldnt have to put many
I dont know why everyone thinks were in such a huge hole in regards to cap space? low first year salary coupled with high bonus = low cap hit, Plus we will lose the TD contract as well, we need to give otah a contract like that, somehow i think he would be hurt “less” then
Otah is already playing for right at 1M
That’s not exactly a high dollar contract he’s on right now.
And I think they'll let it play out.
If he plays in 12+ games they may re-sign him. If not, then it probably bye bye time.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I say keep Gettis & LaFell
They really don’t need anyone else right now at WR. There are bigger areas of concern on this team. I really hate Gettis went down. He was making Clausen look like a real NFL QB. I truly believe they would have went 9-7 or 10-6 with him this year.
"You ain't supposed to be smiling and giggling after we lose. I've never had the mentality of losing in my whole life and for a person to tell me you can't win them all, that's a loser's mentality." - Cam Newton
I'm with you on that. I like LaFell and adding another WR would only push him aside.
The kid has potential. Nothing against Jackson but it would be a waste of money since WRs on our team were a huge bright spot this year. They could use that money to fix other positions. I would actually be very suprised to see Hurney pull off a huge deal in FA this year. I expect he’ll keep it mostly quiet.
by IsaidgoodDAY! on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Lafell struggles getting separation, and Gettis is coming off of a major knee injury.
Both players have question marks, and as such, the WR position should be examined very seriously for any potential upgrades.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 6, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
We don't have the cap room nor do we have enough footballs.
Nor do we need the headache he’ll bring.
He held out when they franchised him. $11M for one season and you hold out on your teammates? No thanks. Do not want.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I'd prefer to see us draft Jeffery than sign a likely overpriced FA WR.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions
Hop aboard...the Alshon Jeffery bandwagon starts here.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know...
I think we're good at offensive tackle.
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Working Hard
At getting this derailer welded to the tracks before april….
Come to think of it...we have Greg Olsen
They are pretty much the same guy.
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Jackson has cried on thing the past few years.

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I would rather see Cats...
Sure up the secondary and defensive tackle spots. Jackson will want Fitzgerald $$$ ( around 10 mil a yr)
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by MOSScomeBACK2vikes on Jan 6, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions
Like it or not, Carolina is fine at WR
There are too many holes that need to be addressed first. There will be time to bring in another receiving threat in the next couple of years.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 6, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions
Sign Vjax?

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I'd like to see us put money towards the defense
We need some serious depth on defense, and I wouldn’t mind us going into free agency to address it.
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 6, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions
There are plenty of compelling reasons why we wouldn't make this move
However, we need to do away with this “we don’t have cap room” myth.
We are currently $3 million under the cap, cutting and renegotiation Thomas Davis will save approximately $8 million, Dan Connor will leave and there are a host of 1-year deals that probably won’t be renewed.
Finally, none of us have any clue how front loaded the 2011 extensions were, nor do we know of the salary cap will rise in 2012.
There’s alot of latitude here and we’ll have at least upwards of $10 million in space.
by James Dator on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Lets hope we have that much cap.
Hurney and the others seem like they know what they are doing. I still have hope Davis comes back healthy. Davis, Beason, and Anderson at LB. What a crew!!!!
by Smith is alegend on Jan 6, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
The cap figure I've seen talked about
is money already counting toward the 2012 cap.That isn’t including resigning 1 year deals.
I agree that we will save money with Thomas Davis, but the last figures I saw had us $3 million over the cap, not under it.
I also think we’ll free up some cap space by throwing some extensions to some of our veterans, and releasing some players, but after signing our rookies, I think we’ll still be fairly tight.
Everyone is using the same figures but I don't think theyre accurate
It won’t surprise me a bit when those cap numbers change (from front loaded contracts and someone mentionedcontracts that don’t count in the new cba) and everyone pretends like that was what they were saying all along (referring to talking heads)
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by mcdonaldwr on Jan 6, 2012 11:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We don't have the caproom=we don't have the cap room for this player.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Still have to sign draft picks with that money
Including at least one 1st round pick.
I really hope the contracts we gave out were heavily front-loaded, giving us a lot of room to bring in more people this year.
Hurney did say on WFNZ that there isn't much cap room.
Due to all the re-signings last year. But you’re right in saying we have no idea of knowing how little ‘not much’ really is.
by jojoisthemann on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
And we don't want to get into "salary cap prison." I trust Hurney to manage the cap, but I don't think an aging WR is in the cards.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I would like to see us bring in another WR
but V Jax will cost too much and we don’t need all of our cap space (what little we have) to go to him. WR we are fine at, although I wouldn’t mind drafting Blackmon (even though he wont fall to us) or Alshon Jeffery. It is an offensive league and we need to keep our strengths going. I do agree we need a DT, CB, and OT. Maybe even an LB to add depth. If we get one of those needs fulfilled in FA it will probably be DT. I’m hoping we draft Jeffery or Kirkpatrick myself. That could change after the combine though.
by Smith is alegend on Jan 6, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions
I will say that everytime brings up a big name free agent on here and how we should sign him I see a lot of users here always say something negative. With VJax i hear people on here say “no he is a holdout and loves money too much” or " no his production isnt consistent." Then when Desean Jackson is brought up I hear similar arguments “diva” “immature” “do not want”. Then Dwayne Bowe is brought up “gives up on routes” “do not want”.
It almost sounds like that most on here that criticize the big name FAs are doing so because they know we most likely wont sign them so lets just bash them. Its kind of like the kid in high school who cant get the hot girl so he just starts bashing her “her hair is ugly anyway” “i dont like her teeth” but truth be told, if she threw herself at you, you would jump in a hot second.
Same holds true for Djax and Vjax, most of you know good and well that if we signed one of them you would be ecstatic like the kid on high school who got the hot girl. I love Gettis and Lafell also but lets get real here, they are nowhere near the level of a Djax, Vjax or Bowe and frankly, to think so is just being in denial.
I have one simple question for those that say we dont need another star WR.. If for example next year we go 5-0 and Smitty suffers an injury, who would you feel more comfortable with to lead us into the playoffs if Smitty went down.. David Gettis or Vincent Jackson. If you are 100% confident in Lafell amd Gettis beimg the guys that can make a huge impact if Smitty went down then i suppose we dont need another big time WR.
This is our problem. We have only one great player at each position and big question marks behind them. We have the great Chris Gamble but behind him we have huge question marks, we have superstar Steve Smith and while Gettis and Lafell are solid they are no Steve Smith. List goes on and on..
With teams like Saints and Packers they have stars all over the roster both as starters and back ups.
If you apply this logic,
who would you feel more comfortable with to lead us into the playoffs if Smitty went down.. David Gettis or Vincent Jackson.
Then we better sign Peyton Manning if he is released, because who would you rather have if Newton goes down, Clausen or Manning?
I am not against picking up a receiver, I just think we have more important needs right now, not what if’s.
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If Peyton Manning comes cheap, I think we should pull the trigger.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 6, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, Mr. B. Many times young talent is only "discovered" when they're called upon to step up due to injury, etc.
I give you Victor Cruz as but one example.
I haven’t seen Gettis on the field with Cam yet. I haven’t seen them incorporate Pilares yet. (or Edwards).
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
V-Jax and D-Jax can throw themselves at me all they want....and I still will turn the other way.
To continue your “hot girl” analogy…they’re the hot girls who’ve f*cked every other guy in the school and probably have herpes (or something worse). If they threw themselves at me, I’d run the other way to stave off infection. I’d rather look, but not touch. Same logic applies with these two “stud” receivers you talk about…I’d rather watch them destroy another team than my own.
We posted a top 5 offense with a rookie QB, JAGs at WR (minus Smitty), Double Trouble, and a new coaching staff who didn’t have an offseason to prepare the team. I think we’re ok on offense.
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by BW Smith on Jan 6, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i would not say the Panthers don't need a reciever
but that could come from within like Gettis return to health.. Brandon stepping up.
My only concern is the lack of Jump ball and physical presence at reciever that causes that match up issue that all of the very best passing offences have….not a emerency.. but ideal imho.
Later round gem maybe?
both are big in the 6'5" range and both are fast ...and both have alot of upside
Quick maybe more of a athlete… Streeter appears to have slightly better hands (eye balling test)
Quick would be awesome
But his stock keeps going up, I dont think we can afford to risk a 2nd rounder for him.
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by jojoisthemann on Jan 6, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, pretty much. :-)
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Well, yeah, I mean I wouldn't hit it (unless I was drunk), although the much younger me would be like "hell yeah"
Anyways, you should still check out the b@@bs, just to see if they’re real or not.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
A receiver that came on strong at the end of the season, who wouldn’t cost VJax kinda $$, and may be looking for a new team…
is Laurent Robinson. He would be a very good 2 or 3 WR here in Carolina. He could be a number one on several teams. Of course, though, I’d take Blackmon if he fell to us.
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by CubsPanthersTarHeels on Jan 6, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Not sold on him.
Did absolutely nothing in St. Louis.
by jojoisthemann on Jan 6, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
How about a cheaper option via the draft.
He’s a possible V-Jax/ Megatron clone and he announced yesterday that he’s foregoing his Senior season to enter the NFL draft. If you don’t know who he is, just ask Jaxon. He is/was a 6’ 5", 206 lb wide receiver from Georgia Tech. He averaged 29 yards per catch in a run heavy offense, and he doesn’t even turn 21 until the end of April. This dude is oozing with potential and we should think about using our 2nd round pick on him( or 4th, but I’m not sure he would fall that far).
I like him but there are questions.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
His lack of speed concerns me.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 6, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Your lack of speed is disturbing...

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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just out of shape.

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by Son of a Newton on Jan 6, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe just a little, yes.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Round is a shape...
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looks like hes got a lot of shape. i would call that a trapezoid maybe. a fat one but one nonetheless.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Jan 6, 2012 6:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He's still working on it
At this pace he should be done just in time to meet his new years resolution (compete in and finish a race)
Instead of speanding the money for Jackson. I rather go for Asante Samuels should he be let go by the Eagles( which is looking more likely after this year).
He seems pretty overhyped. Plus, if he was any good anymore, Philly would resign him.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 6, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
not me
We are in much better position to draft a CB, plus I’m not an Asante fan. He wants to much money and he is a terrible tackler who isnt very good in man coverage
Next year will be the year we know if we need to draft another WR
We have 2 young talented WRs in Gettis and LaFell. I would say sign Jackson if Smith weren’t coming back, but he is. Let’s visit this topic next year. If Smith retires and there’s still a question mark regarding whether LaFell and Gettis can be #1 WRs, then bring in a veteran free agent to replace Smith. If it’s the same scenario but Smith stays, draft a WR.
Best case scenario would obviously be Smith sticking around for another year and LaFell and Gettis both stepping into the roles we need.
by aceofsween on Jan 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Anybody see signs that Smitty's lost anything this year? Last year he says he was hurting; I think it was his QB tendon.
I see Smitty as still highly productive for at least 2 more years, and a great #2 for another two years.. Hurney should get to work on that contract.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I'm sorry guys
I totally agree that defense should be the priority. However, to say that we don’t need another receiver is one just plain low football I.Q. or two blatant homerism. I will say its the latter since MOST of you guys are very smart. 89 was left in single coverage once against the Saints. Result? Touchdown. Teams are still using the strategy that the Seahawks used against us in the playoffs. Take away 89. Dare others to get open. They still are not getting open on a consistent enough basis for defenses to feel threatened enough to single 89 on 3rd down or in the red zone. A legit compliment to Smith would put us in Saints and Packers territory on offense. I say get a known entity at WR. VJAX, Bowe, Wayne, and if you don’t care about character S.Holmes. I like Gettis but he has only shown flashes . All this being said we simply must improve too many areas on defense to justify splurging on offense.
Few people would say its not a need at all.
But most people would say that its not our most glaring need.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, don
Just look at this year for example. Brandon Lafell came on strong in the last third of the season. Our number 2 WR was Naanee for most of the season. To put this in perspective, our #2 was San Diego’s #3 or 4. I think it’s not entirely out of the realm of possibilities that we sign a young FA or rookie WR to at least compete for the #2 WR spot. We simply can’t afford to put our eggs in the Gettis basket and hope they don’t fall out the bottom. If we have the pieces in place, we will be in the hunt next season, and we’ll be a force to be reckoned with.
Having said all that, I think we would be better served to work on our secondary in the draft. I don’t think we’ve seen enough out of Hogan to simply think we’re ok there. I also think Sherrod Martin made a serious step backward, and I’ll be surprised if he makes the team next season. Therefore, I think DB and FS/SS are two of our biggest needs.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
think about this for a second
Nanee was our #2 for most of the season because of his familiarity with the offense and his ability to break a play down in the huddle if need be. that was said on many occasion, when it was obvious Lafell was stepping up in a bigger way, and was becoming the more consistent option. Lack of training camp and ota’s and learning the playbook time kept Nanee where he was more so than his ability to be a strong #2. I could easily have seen Lafell make a greater contribution and have better numbers had the circumstances been different.
To add to that,
Gettis was leading into the season as the #2 even with Naanee here. Now Gettis will have the year of play book study. If he comes back healthy he may pass Lafell in the ranks.
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Comparing VJax to LaFell:
LaFell in ’09, his first season, went 38 for 468, a 12.3 YPC, with 1 TD
Jackson in ’06, his first (full) season, was 27 for 453, a 16.8 YPC, with 6 TDs
But in their second years, it went like this:
LaFell, 36 for 613, 17.0, 3 TDs.
Jackson, 41 for 623, 15.2, 3 TDs.
It was only in Jackson’s 3rd full year, ’08, that he burst on the scene, going 59 for 1098, 18.6.
At this early juncture, LaFell still has that well documented 3rd year WR potential to be something special.
He comes up big at key times, seemingly always picking up the long 3rd down conversion, catches extremely well in crowds, runs the sideline patterns well, and blocks downfield too well to NOT be on the field more. If he improves his breaks a little, to gain easier separation, he can still be a dangerous #2 WR, maybe even a #1. His numbers are good, just not the TD production, so far.
by bigdavis on Jan 6, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd bigdaddy. That comment belongs in the Louvre.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Agreed.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
It wouldn't take too much to get some solid upgrades for the defence.
They’d be worlds better with a safety upgrade and an upgrade at corner. Wouldn’t have to be world beaters, just someone above average.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Gregory from SD might be an option at S.
He said he will explore free agency. They just paid Weddle a ton so I doubt they will sign him long-term.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
An example of one of the solid players I was talking about.
Plus he played for the Chargers. I think we automatically get those guys when they become available.
Weddle is, of course, the one I’d really want, but Gregory will do.
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We picked Jarrett instead of Weddle.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I feel ya. (No homo.)
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to pick up Gregory and slide Godfrey over to FS.
And I don’t really give a damn what we do with Martin after that.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Martin is a corner. A sub-package corner.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
A poor one at that.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Why is everyone so hard on martin?
He had one year with no offseason to learn a new defense with new coverage assignments and packages. Give the guy a flier please for me??? lol
The problem I have (and I'll speak for some of the other folks here)...
Is he makes the same mistakes routinely, and his tackling has been awful this season. His poor angles have also lead to big plays, and the TD he allowed right before half-time was pretty much the icing on the cake.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
he has had some tackling issues and similiar “fundamental” problems but with your head spinning from week to week and no time to practice the fundamentals you dont think he will recover towards his coverage prowess?
You shouldn't have to practice the fundamentals...
If you’re in the NFL, you should already know how to tackle. Case closed.
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Depends what college you went to.
Some of these kids are still super raw.
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Head on a swivel is not so bad - spinning aimlessly, bad.
Not just us fans, I fear he’s shown the coaches on too many occasions that he is a weak link in the chain back there.
Right. I think when you make the HC want to vomit, you just might be in trouble.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I'm ok with giving a guy some time to learn a new scheme.
I won’t crucify Martin just because of his coverage skill in a new offense, however, he doesn’t tackle. Routinely, he would have a guy dead to rights on a dump off pass or a run, and the guy would run right through his arm tackle.
There isn’t an excuse for tackling as poor as his was this season.
I'm okay with giving him time to learn the system...
But that has nothing to do with the fact that he plays soft and can’t tackle. He takes terrible angles. That’s his fault. It’s not a matter of knowing the scheme or not.
As far as missed assignments, okay, I’ll be patient with that. But his inability to take the right angle and his incompetence as a tackler are why I would shed no tears should he be cut.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Playing soft is a big no-no for a safety.
How many times do we see him playing BEHIND his assigned man, 4 yds deep in the EZ? Making the tackle, after the ref’s arms are raised, is NOT tough defense.
And JR wants tough.
The key for a Safety is "instincts." I didn't see that this year. Could he turn it aroung next year?
Do instincts grow on trees?
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Yep, and the sub-package is “Oh f*ck, we don’t have anyone else to play corner. Martin, get in there!”
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I think you accidentally put an 'at' symbol before and after your comment
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
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From what I've heard
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 8, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
A few solid guys that play within the scheme would make a world of difference.
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Uhhh, I think you mean defense not defence? Duh
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Is the defence the fence that is beside Gate D?
Or do you mean defense?
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Hey, watch it, pal...that's just his favourite way to spell it.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
True.
I guess he’s just a horse of a different colour.
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touche
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing to laugh about...
The organisation of his letters is just a little different.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 6, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
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I don't need to learn English,
I’m never gonna go to England.
Before anyone replies, that was a quote from Homer Simpson.
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Very very tempting
As is Djax, but I would pass if it was up to me. As others have stated, I’d rather use that money on D.
We have too many WR’s that we need to get on the field. We need to see what Pilares and Edwards can do. Gettis, LaFell, Olsen, Shockey DblT, and Smith need to be on the field at all times. And then we have Naanee and Aji(whatever) on the roster.
If we really feel that we want that big WR, then I would like to get him in the Draft. It’s a role in a system that we need. VJ fits the role, but it’s the name that is attractive. We can draft a WR to play that role.
We might already have him though. Gettis is tall, very fast, and very athletic. If he can learn to play that role, we definitely have a future #1. Having the speed to beat a guy deep + the size to win jump balls = a force at WR. Maybe he can do it, maybe he can’t. We need to find out though.
I can’t say I would be pissed if we drafted AJ (or any WR that could fit this role) or signed VJ. It will only make us better. I would just rather see us draft DreK, Mercilus (somehow, someway), a real NT, OL and LB depth, and a S.
I would put my faith in Davis, Otah, our WR corp, and roll the dice. See what happens. That will leave us with only 3 to 4 positions to address in ’13 if all stated above fails.
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by Thee Steve Johnson on Jan 6, 2012 3:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We don’t neccesairly need to sign huge name talent, I just hope we atleast sign quality mid price free agents like a Pat Simms or Paul Soliai. Look at the Bucs, they also finished last year strong and decided not to sign any free agents to get more help and look how the season turned out for them this season.
If all you do is build through the draft then it will take years to be a elite team.
by PantherTrain on Jan 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If you don't think we need to sign huge name talent...then why do you keep clamoring for us to sign huge name talent?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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I don't think it was the lack of free agents that doomed the Bucs this season
Likewise, I could point to the Packers who didn’t do much in FA this season.
That is correct. They got their IR players back. Hmmm.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I think the Bucs' problem was that all the player quit on Raheem once they lost a few in a row.
That, and their schedule was tougher. But I agree that we should look at mid-level types. And I think that’s all we’re gonna get…in fact, after hearing what Hurney and JR have said, it sounds like we’ll be lucky to sign a few mid-level free agents. I hope that I’m misreading the situation, because we are four or five starters away on defense, and I don’t expect to get more than one in the draft.
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by ERL on Jan 6, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Can this be a coincidence?
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/06/32-teams-32-observations-10/
NFC SOUTH
Carolina Panthers: Running back Jonathan Stewart had 20 players miss tackles on him on his catches alone, which was more than any other back on receptions.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Cornerback Ronde Barber had 22 missed tackles, which is the most by any cornerback in the past four years. This is his second time leading the league in that time.
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Personally, I'd rather have Alshon Jeffery than V-Jax.
But I do think that the WR position should be addressed soon, one way or another. Smitty is 32, Lafell struggles to get separation, and Gettis is coming off of a major knee injury. Something’s got to give. Not to mention, beyond those three guys, we literally have nothing else at WR.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
You summed up how I feel about it.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I say Next Year. In 2012, I'm hoping for 8-8; better than that puts us in the playoff hunt.
Like it or not, we’re still two years away from the Superb Owl, barring a miracle.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Agreed.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 7, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Two quick ways to solve the Panthers receiving problems.
1. Trade for Jacoby Ford.
2. Draft Sammy Watkins.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
Another two actually.
The NFL will be crying the blues for him to declare as a junior and I think he will. Hell, I won’t be surprised if he declares as a sophy. But to expect him to make it to his senior year is a long shot. This kid is just too good!
(Not that I want for him to declare!)
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
Well technically he could if he redshirted. However, I forgot that he started as a true freshman so he wouldn't be able to.
NCAA Rules require you to be 3 years out of high school in order to declare though, so technically he wouldn’t be able to. Technically. But 90% of other players that get red-shirted their freshman year are eligible to declare as a Sophy if they so desire.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
What do yall think about ....
Marques Colston? He is a UFA this year isn’t he? i read somewhere Saints are not getting a hometown discount.
I wouldn’t mind him, I also wouldn’t mind Stevie Johnson
by PantherTrain on Jan 6, 2012 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
At least he has nice celebrations.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 7, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
You wouldn't mind
Any WR that’s had any kind of success in the NFL, baggage included.
"What do want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
Maurkice Pouncey made the all-pro team at centre.
Ryan Kalil is just plain better than him.. Nick Mangold is too.
Both Ryan Kalil and Nick M made 2nd team all pro
. Seems like Maurkice P will make the pro bowl , all pro for the rest of his career with the way he’s going.
by adam carter on Jan 6, 2012 11:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Smh.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 7, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Once offensive linemen get their foot in the door
It’s really hard to displace them. Offensive Lineman tend to be hard to compare.
The guy is always injured as well.
Missed the Superbowl and now he’s missing this week too.
by jojoisthemann on Jan 7, 2012 6:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but like I said, he's already got it locked up
Once you when an honor as an OLineman, it’s yours to lose every year after that.
You're right of course.
It just sickens me.
by jojoisthemann on Jan 7, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
How about instead of what Chud wants and gets we have what rivera wants he gets
I hope he wants to lure some SD defenders to us. Idk maybe a DT, a CB, a LB and let’s just throw a S in there for good measure. Or can we just trade our entire 2012 draft for all of SD’s defense? I think SD can rely on rivers this year to not throw any picks or fumble the ball away in the waning moments of the 4th quarter.
On a serious note, I really don’t want V-Jax simply because of our cap situation. We overpaid a couple of players in the last year already which gives us almost no room. I want to see some cuts happen soon so we can have a better idea of what our cap will be like. It also doesn’t help that we signed a lot of extra players because of the 18 that went to IR. If we’re going to splash in FA, it should be on defense. V-Jax is already kinda old and we have young receivers. I say we go Blackmon or Jeffrey or no WR at all.
Will there be a time before free agency, or during it, that we have an idea of how much cap space we have?
Or is that always going to be a team known only thing?
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
I read all the above!
We DO NOT need this guy! we either go with what we got or fish the UDFA list for gold…but we DO need to save some money for JSTEW next year! so we don’t need to throw alot of money at a Hold out specialist…..money hungry WR……. JR = DO NOT WANT… would be my best guess after watching this guy for the last 17 years….give or take. but i say Jstew is a keeper! and we need all the draft help we can get on D. I watched the games this year! sometimes if we would of had some sort of something that looked like an NFL D out on the field we would have finished at least…..11-5 no doubt in my mind! the homer in me thinks we would have been 14-2….but that’s just me! we need to draft a CB/LB/DE in the first! But i do believe in BPA or trade back bait… but we need all the help we can get on the D side of the ball…. any one with out blinders on could see that! I know w e have lots of love for Greg Hardy….. but they need more help… we also need to resign Applewhite… he is very versitile…. witch leads me to another point… that wee need more “Ron Guys” around here but i love every guy ron has brought in and if this trend keeps up we will be some BAMF ers on the field in the near future…lol Good things are ahead….In BAMF I TRUST!

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