Hurney Hints at Panther Draft Focus
by Jaxon on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 AM EST
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PrintPanthers GM Marty Hurney is a master at not saying anything in post season interviews. He may give you a long winded answer but in the end its like one of those fluffy french pastries. It looks great on the surface but once you dig into it you realize there really isn't anything worthwhile in there. His post-season interview with Joe Person that was posted yesterday is exactly that...for the most part. Yet there was one area that I thought he came back too and hit on again that I think might actually have some truth to it.
In response to a question as to the defense being the biggest priority, Hurney first addresses the need for a strong front 7 on the defense and then he says this:
Hurney: On offense, I think you try to keep your strength strong. And when you have a quarterback like Cam and a running game like we do and the offensive line, I think you have to always look to make sure you keep that area strong because this is a league where you have to score points to win.
So which part of the offense do you think Hurney felt like didn't remain strong all season? Certainly wasn't Cam and Double Trouble. All three played 16 games. Now check this next question and Hurney's answer:
Q. With Jeff Otah coming back, could you see Byron Bell moving to guard if Otah’s healthy?
Hurney: Those are all things that play out as you go in training camp. But the one thing you always want to do is make sure you have very good depth on the offensive line. Because that’s one spot if you get hit by injuries or whatever the case, if your offensive line’s not good then you’re going to struggle. I think our guys played extremely well this year up front. We’ve got some very good players up front and you’ve got to continuously try to add to that group and make it strong.
This in my view says " Lord we hated to play a UDFA at RT all season", at least in Hurney-speak it does for me. Certainly his offseason plan wasn't for a UDFA to get so many starts. I'm not taking anything away from Byron Bell, the kid has been fantastic given his rise from the post draft ashes. But he is limited as we saw when fellow rookie Cameron Jordan seemed to be harassing Cam all day this past Sunday, a rookie who just got his first sack of the season.
My first choice is for Jeff Otah to return and man that RT spot for 16 games next season. Rivera reports his rehab is essentially complete and he is merely awaiting the start of OTAs. Yet given his injury history I don't think Hurney wants to get caught with his pants down again, so to speak. So don't be surprised if the Panthers us one of their two first picks on an offensive linemen as there should be some good ones available in both the 1st and 2nd round.
Its not like the Panthers have much of choice if that is an area they want to improve. the word is the Panthers will be tight on salary cap space without cutting a couple significant players. I doubt we can expect the Panthers to make a big FA slash, at least in the area of the offensive line. That's why I really like the CB/OL or reverse OL/CB combo for their first two picks this draft. I think Hurney has given as solid a hint as you will get that he covets added talent to the o-line.
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I like what I'm hearing...
Reiff! Reiff! Reiff! Reiff! :-)
I read a recent review of Matt Kalil's season and his run blocking was not given a high grade
Reiff was labeled the most balanced T of the top 3 between him, Kalil and Jonathan Martin. Hmmmm
The consensus is that he is an outstanding pass protector.
But his run blocking isn’t quite as good. He’s not a road-grader by any means. He’s barely 300 lbs
by jojoisthemann on Jan 4, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Keep in mind the Little Schwartz possibly in the 4th or later as depth.
Maybe even Mike Adams in the 2nd.
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Not surprising.
We should always be looking to add depth on both of the lines. I’m a big proponent of adding DeCastro as it gives us a long-term starter at guard and lets us use Schwartz as a right-side swingman.
Gross/Wharton/Kalil/DeCastro/Otah with Schwartz/Hangartner/and one other lineman, whether it be Bell, one of the guys on IR, or another draft pick would be a fantastic OL corps.
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Garry Williams was resigned
They should be able to resign Schwartz for a decent price. I would be suprised if Hangartner comes back without a pay cut, isn’t he making like 2 or tree fiddy? I like Decastro as well but I think the tackle position is probably the biggest concern (Gross isn’t getting any younger and can’t rely on Otah even though I do think he will be healthy and a 16 game starter next season)
"One step at a time"
by mcdonaldwr on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We signed Hangartner for an "undisclosed amount"
But considering his ability to play both guard spots and center, you’d have to think we’d be very interested in bringing him back.
I do agree with you on needing to find a tackle, but personally I don’t like any OL prospect (other than Kalil) as much as I like DeCastro. There’s a reason he’s seen as the best OG prospect in potentially the last 20 years. If you see a 10+ year starter and a multiple time Pro Bowler, then you gotta take him.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Cool, didn't know about Hangartner
I really like him on our team I just didn’t think he was worth quite what we were paying him. I like DeCastro and would be stoked if he were the pick.
"One step at a time"
The "other 4" defenders could use a pick also, IMO
In response to a question as to the defense being the biggest priority, Hurney first addresses the need for a strong front 7 on the defense
The better QBs in our division will burn blitzes if the coverage is crap.
If he means to go with a DL in the 1st, I hope we get a DB in the 2nd.
I hope we pick the BPA
(almost) regardless of position. Just keep adding talent.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
They definitely could, but I think Hogan is legit.
That gives you two very good CBs. I like what I’ve seen from Butler too.
Sure if we could add another top flight CB that’d be swell, but I don’t think it’s as big an issue as improving the Front 7.
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Even though we only got to see him in limited action
I think Hogan looks to be a big steal. Hopefully that knee injury doesn’t nag him.
"One step at a time"
I wasn't even aware he was on the field...
So, I don’t think you can really call him a steal. Especially after one game.
by jkp1516 on Jan 4, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The fact that you weren't even aware he was on the field is a good thing
At least by my judgment. Considering how much of a film junkie Brees is, you’d think he’d pick on the rookie who’s had hardly any playing time. If Hogan blanketed his man well enough that Brees didn’t target him much at all, we have to call that a plus.
I believe that Brees was trying to get Colston the Saints record for 1,000 yd. seasons.
Hogan wasn’t matched up with Colston very much, he was on Meachum.
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isn't that what you want from a DB though?
You only hear their names when they get burned or make an interception. Okay so he didn’t intercept one of the smartest most accurate passers in the league. He was, however, able to keep from being burned by said passer. That speaks well of him in my book.
by Floods on Jan 4, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not seeing/noticing him on the field probably doesn't support your point.
But I tend to think that aside from Gamble we have a bunch of nickel and dimers.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
But I tend to think that aside from Gamble we have a bunch of nickel and dimers.
Literally…
Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)
by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 4, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
What they're saying ERL
is that when he was on the field they didn’t notice him, which is a good thing because it means his coverage was tight enough that the receiver he was covering wasn’t being targeted.
Yeah, I was telling jkp the same thing you guys were, acutally.
But then I added that he, along with Munny, Butler, Stanford and who ever else are probably not starting material. At least not right now.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
They'll have an offseason to evaluate
if he’s ready to start right now. I’m hoping we caught lightning with him, but I don’t have super high expectations either.
Using a pick early on the O-Line is a sensible move...
If Otah goes down again next year(knocking on wood), then I think we really need to let the big guy go. Bell will offer good depth and with almost a full season starting he’ll be more experienced this upcoming season.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions
Bell did a solid job this year
and will only be better prepared next year. I do believe pass rush is our biggest weakness, but I’ll take Dre Kirk all day long…
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by Caro2daheart... on Jan 4, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Hurney is always aloof during the draft process
he was very vague about the panthers biggest priority defense and to a lesser extent offense. From a psychological standpoint all he did was use the process called vaguening, moving further and further away from stating towards implication and suggestion. If i really want to get in his head it be what he did not emphasize on, i doubt we go offensively
If BPA isn't a factor, I'd order out needs like this...
Biggest needs: DT > LB > CB > S > OT
Nice to haves: DE > WR
Between DT, LB, CB, S you probably take BPA of any of them.
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by southtunnel on Jan 4, 2012 11:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 4, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
-1
With all of the DT’s that we currently have on the roster, and the promise that many of them have shown… add that to the fact that we drafted two last year I highly doubt we get a DT with our first selection. Nor do I see it as a major need.
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by Caro2daheart... on Jan 4, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Or possibly our 2nd selection either.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 4, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
If we don't take one in the first, I don't see us taking one at all.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 4, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
With the talent of this draft, it would be foolish for us to take one in the first.
But I agree, I don’t see us taking a DT this year.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 5, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I just want a front 4 Like the Giants
We Can Surely win a Superb Owl with that. Could The be Coples and B. Thomas
by king.collard.green on Jan 4, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
After the Applewhite, Keiser, Kearse, Shirley et al pick ups I'm confident Rivera knows what he's doing on D.
Just got to hope we see more from McClain and Fua.
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It was their rookie season.
So I’m sure with a full off-season they can work on technique and how to better hit their gaps. I’d give them another or two to really see if they’re going to be depth material.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
it was also Keiser and kearse's rookie seasons
I think. I’m sure about Keiser, but not Kearse.
Kearse was a RC as well.
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I really think Edwards, McClain and Fua will be our top 3 DT's next season
For better or worse
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Dude please let’s not get the new year off on the wrong note. Neblett and Shirley are considerably better than Fua and McClain at DT. I think that they probably could be the backbone of our D-Line next season.
Seriously dude? Fua and McClain! Lol. Stop scaring the rest us with your conjecture.
by SimmerDownNow on Jan 4, 2012 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd like to know if Shirley and/or Kearse are under contract through next season.
But yeah, I don’t see any way that the coaching staff can justify playing McClain or Fua ahead of Neblett.
And I think Ron Edwards will be cut. We already have over 128M committed to the 2012 cap, which is actually over the cap. So we’ll need to do some cutting and restructuring. Smitty is on his last year so re-signing him will lower his cap number. Travelle should be restructured and so should Gross. Gamble could be re-signed as well to lower his number. So I don’t think its a problem yet but it does not bode well for a guy like Edwards.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Hurney this morning in WFNZ just mentioned the importance of having Edwards back healthy
And mentioned LB as a big priority but not DT. Not that he’s revealing all his cards, but I don’t think it’s likely to cut Edwards… We’re not going to find anyone better.
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by southtunnel on Jan 4, 2012 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We'll see. I hope we don't have to cut people but if we do he'd be near the top of the list.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well he's the type of FA Hurney said he likes
Mid level filler, Brentson Buckner type guys. I know nothing, but I just don’t see how we could cut out best DT unless we draft one in the 1st round.
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by southtunnel on Jan 4, 2012 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My point is we might not have a choice. It not that I want them to cut him.
And you’d have to think that the mini-emergence of Neblett and Shirley, in particular, would make him slightly more expendable.
I agree he fits the Marty free agent profile well, which is why he was signed.
But if we were lucky enough to land Ta’amu or Poe in the 2nd round and they show in mini-camp that they are capable, Edwards and his salary are then more expendable.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I can see that. But we'd be very young and inexperienced at DT.
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Being young and inexperienced at DT
worked out great for us this past year.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 4, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I guess my thinking is we can’t rest on our laurels at DT with (the man the myth) Ron Edwards and three of four JAGs.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
three OR four JAGs
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well until week 17.
I guess I just haven’t seen enough of Shirley or Kearse yet. Neblett, to me, looks like he could be a starter, but would probably be better in a interior pass rushing role.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I'm not comfortable with it, but to me, our hands are tied.
I think we are just going to have to see what we have, unless Hurney really falls in love with a DT. I just think it’s similar to WR, if we don’t add them in the first round, don’t do it. We don’t want to crowd a young position.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 4, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
This is true.
The only thing I’d add is that if a proven free agent shakes loose we have to go after him hard (no homo).
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hurney said we are not signing any big time FA's
Only mid-tier guys like Edwards.
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by southtunnel on Jan 4, 2012 6:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think that type of signing is what he meant by proven
Just someone who has actually played (and possibly started games)….not a world beater or anything
"One step at a time"
If we could get him for a similar price
I’d cut Edwards for Pat Sims in a heartbeat.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
After you've played a year, you're not so inexperienced.
Fua and McClain are no longer rookies, and will be judged accordingly, vs their fellow DTs. Best ones play; worst ones sit, or go.
The way it was explained on here
Those cap numbers aren’t really reliable at this point; I’m hoping they work some cap magic. Though I also wonder if Edwards will be cut. Seems like a big price tag for someone that was originally brought to ease the transition of the new guys.
"One step at a time"
by mcdonaldwr on Jan 4, 2012 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Starting 3rd and 4th round rookie DTs is a recipe for them to struggle
Plus no offseason training. I think it’s shortsighted to think our coaching staff doesn’t believe they have more potential than what we saw.
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by southtunnel on Jan 4, 2012 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They do have potential.
But to me, we need to play guys who are good, not guys who could be good.
If we evaluate it just on what we saw this season, Neblett and Shirley/Kearse were better than McClain and Fua.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think we saw some improvement from McClain.
He seemed to be coming along quite nicely in some places. Fua, as far as I can tell, sucked.
by jojoisthemann on Jan 4, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I expect Shirley, Neblett and McClain to be the main rotation next season.
I also believe that Rivera is satisfied with his current roster of DT’s, however is open to improving it if someone that he really wants is available.
The Dline that got him a top D ranking in San Diego had Garay 6th rounder, Cam Thomas 5th rounder, Vaughn Martin 4th rounder, and Jacques Cesaire UDFA. Luis Castillo was a 1st rounder and he is not an impact player. I’m saying this because I suspect that Rivera will work with what he has and only upgrade if the “right” guy is available.
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I agree
Though I think Edwards will be in that mix too and not be cut.
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by southtunnel on Jan 4, 2012 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, sucking on defense sort of makes this easier
Just grab the biggest defensive stud available. Though I think they’re content on giving our rookie DT’s more time to develop, and hoping Edwards makes it back 100%… which is probably smart since there’s so many other needs.
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Agree completely.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on Jan 4, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
If we get him
I’ll scream for happiness! Watkins and Blackmon on the outside :) with Smith still killing it in the slot :)
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 4, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I thought our biggest need was DT
However, at the end of the season, I realized that our biggest need is CB and S.
Having Beason back will certainly help our run defense and underneath passing D. However, the opposing team can throw a hail mary to Pee Wee Herman and he’ll either come down with it or draw a PI flag unless Gamble is covering him.
Our biggest need is still DT.
A couple decent weeks from some journeymen back-ups didn’t fix our need. The entire group of DTs is still mediocre at it’s very best and if you improve our DT play then the pass rush gets better which helps our secondary.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying that we're set at DT
I’m saying that, especially in the division we are in, it doesn’t matter if we had the best Dline in the game if the other team can throw up a jump ball and come down with it every down.
In my opinion, our biggest need is our secondary.
They can't throw up a jump ball
If there isn’t a pocket.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think we can get good enough DTs at our budget to make up for the deficiencies in our secondary.
Agreed.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 4, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Then the same can be said of our secondary
There’s just as many holes there.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yup.
My biggest fear is that the organization develops a false sense of security about the defense. You know: ‘Well, Beason and Davis are coming back, and Neblett, Kearse and Shirley showed that they can be starters.’ Even with Beason back, our defense is still bottom 5. Let’s just hope they don’t get complacent in free agency because we need to add several defensive starters through free agency or the draft.
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We have almost no cap space
The best we can hope for in free agency is middling players who will be upgrades.
That's all I'm asking for.
Right now we have waiver wire warriors and undrafted rookies.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in complete agreement
I also don’t think we need great players, we just need players who won’t make us want to vomit.
by Philipkcks on Jan 4, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That was Rivera's quote, wasn't it?
When Martin allowed the go-ahead TD, with seconds left in the half, didn’t he say, “I wanted to throw up”?
(he wasn’t alone)
I bet Martin’s “exit interview” was not filled with smiles and compliments, and “See ya’ next year”.
The best DT that Rivera has had to work with is Tommie Harris.
The rest are “the other guys”, and he has brought out the best of them.
I would also argue that the best DE’s Rivera has coached is CJ and Hardy. The only downside of Hardy is that he faded the last 4 games this year, according to profootballfocus statistics.
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I'd say
Johnson and Ogunleye, but that’s just me.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Rivera has a very good idea of what these players can and can't do. More than any of us ever could attempt to comprehend.
I mean this is a guy who had a #1 ranked defense with no-name players and no guys who made it to the Pro Bowl.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
I personally think he is ecstatic at the current talent level on D compared to what he's had in the past.
Plus he has yet another draft to improve! Pretty scary thought.
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Our DT's are improved by getting Edwards back healthy, and the rookies through a full offseason program
These are guys brought in on Rivera’s watch, and I think he’ll stick with them for at least another year
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Sherrod Martin needs replaced immediately.
He cannot tackle for shit.
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Damn right.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 4, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
He was damn horrible this year.
Just plain horrible.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Richardson's recent interview is telling.
Q: Who, or what kind of player, do you expect to select in the draft?
RICHARDSON: What I hope we can do is get a football player that can be a starter and a tough football player. I think toughness is important and compatible with Ron’s (head coach Ron Rivera) coaching style. I don’t think we’ll be drafting a finesse player.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/01/04/2899436/richardson-happy-with-direction.html#storylink=cpy
Couple that with his scathing comment about Martin (“I think he plays Safety”), and I infer there’ve been some discussions about upgrading the toughness of our DBs. They’ve got to find some guys who like to hit, and can take the right angles, and anticipate the play – no more matadors back there.
Hmm. I interpreted the “I don’t think we’ll be drafting a finesse player” as ‘we will be drafting a lineman.’
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Well, I took it mainly as meaning we wouldn't be looking at a WR...
…but for SOME player on Defense that would be tougher than a few of the ‘wave ’em on through’ types we put out there last year. Personally, I don’t consider any of our front 7 to be lacking in toughness.
I took it as:
“We won’t be drafting players like Mike Goodson and Sherrod Martin. We’ll be drafting guys that like contact. Play tough football.”
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
That's how I took it too.
What JR said:
“I don’t think we’ll be drafting a finesse player.”
What JR meant:
“I don’t want no p*ssies on my football team.”
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Rank these OL
I also noticed Rivera and Hurney both emphasizing the need for more OLB’s. From both direct talk and from changing verbage from defensive line to front 7. Personally I don’t see much there to suit our team. If we move back in the first, there is maybe Z. Brown or Courtney Upshaw. All I see in the second would be Ronnell Lewis. So looking at OL how would you guys rank the following (in order as I like them)…
FIRST – Jonathan Martin, Riley Reiff, David DeCastro
SECOND – Cordy Glenn, Mike Adams, Kelechi Osemele, Kevin Zeitler
And looking at BPA solely in the first, would you rather Dre Kirkpatrick or Alshon Jeffery over the names above?
Other Than Kalil All The Draft's Other OT's Have Questions About Their Ability To Play LT
I say save the draft pick, and ues it for defense, by signing CFL free agent Jovan Olafioye. Olafioya (6-6, 325-350) has played both LT and RT for the Gray Cup Champions (the BC Lions), without allowing a sack, and he went to college at NC Central.
by PanthersRoar on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
If it wouldn't be too expensive, I'd be all for it.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 4, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
If Rivera can get a compendable performance outta Byron Bell...
I think he can coach up those other OT’s that have questions about their ability to play LT.
Do you have a link of Jovan Olafioye? I really want to see this guy.
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I'll bite.
FIRST – Reiff
SECOND – Lavonte David, OLB, NEB
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
As I said in the other thread
I’m definitely a big fan of David. Would love to see him in Carolina.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Davis wasn't much, if any, bigger as a prospect
Get him in a NFL weight program and he’ll bulk up. His size is really the only knock on him.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Frankly folks with Rivera hinting at more 3-4 in the future I wouldn't be surprised
if we picked Coples as a multi-positional D-lineman (3-4 DE, pass rush DT or 4-3 DE)if he were to fall to us somehow in the draft. Think of the last game and how anemic our pass rush without CJ in the game. One can never have too many pass rushers.
Yes I am a Tarheel homer, but I’d like to think I bring this up as a legitimate possibility and am leaving my college football bias out of the discussion. If there were another multi-positional pass-rusher available I’m open to that too.
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I can totally see that, and I think he'll be avaliable
I bet teams will reach for offense instead of him.
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Has he said anything else about the 3-4 lately?
Last I heard he said it was only a sub-package. Even if he were planning on slowly shifting to a 3-4 I don’t think Coples would be a big upgrade as McClain & Hardy seem better suited to 3-4 DE’s. What we really lack on the line is a true NT.
"One step at a time"
Pass rush in the Jim Johnson scheme comes from more than D-Line. Many times, linemen drop back, while LBs, CBs,
and Safeties rush. With our Mash Unit LB corps this season, we couldn’t execute the scheme. Hopefully, next year will be different.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I'm not a Tarheel homer, and I believe that Coples could be a great DE in the NFL.
His strength and balance seem superb when watching game film on him. He plays reminds me of Pierre-Paul and Dunlap.
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DE/OLB Whitney Mercilus With 16 Sacks, 22.5 TFL's, & 9 Forced Fumbles, Not Coples, With only 7.5 Sacks
Even DT/DE Jared Crick (6-4, 285, 4.82-40) in the 2nd round is better than Coples.
Statistically
I know it sounds crazy, but sacks are overrated.
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They are
But that’s just a damn ridiculous stat line. Drool-worthy.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
It's a serious black mark on Coples that he did this, but word out of Chpel Hill is he was
“playing not to get hurt” after Bruce Carter and Quan Sturdivant both took draft hits when they had season ending injuries last year.
You can watch him play and he is eerily reminiscent of Peppers…just freakishly throwing people aside and running down backs…then just kind of hanging out and putting his hands on the O-lineman in front of him.
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Eerily reminiscient of Peppers?
Please! Coples doesn’t have half of the athleticism that Peppers has. Like Jadeveon Clowney, Peppers is just a freak of nature. Coples is merely big and strong.
Why are folks being so literal?
Why do we have to qualify every gorram statement around here? Jesus Christ.
reminiscent |ˌreməˈnisənt|
adjective
tending to remind one of something : the sights were reminiscent of my childhood.
• suggesting something by resemblance
He is 6’6" 290lbs, plays d-line for the Tarheels, wears #90 is fast, big and strong. How the %^&* is that NOT reminiscent?
Coples is incredibly athletic. Peppers is a once in a generation type athlete. I’m not saying is is Jesus Mary and Julius freakin Pepper Christ reborn. I’m saying he is eerily reminiscent of Peppers.
Why is that so hard to understand?
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Because he's not really that similar to Peppers...
Except for the part where he pads his stats against shitty opponents and looks lazier than my worthless uncle in law who is 45 and still lives at home.
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Whatever. Fuck it. I'm taking a break from this place for a good long while
He’s a good goddamn player. If you can’t see that, I sure as shit can’t convince and don’t feel like trying.
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
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Wow.
Is he your kid or something man?
Take a chill pill…no need to get all worked up about it.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Yeah, chill out dude!
We’re merely exchanging opinions here. No need to freak dude..
And I never proclaimed that I don’t think Coples is a good player. But he’s clearly no Julius Peppers. I just graduated from UNC, and I can say that I’ve seen almost every snap of Coples. He’s a good player. But no Peppers. Widely different skill sets…
Honestly, it really bugs me when every UNC DE is compared to Peppers. He was a once in a generation prospect that UNC may never see again. Coples is no Peppers, and shouldn’t be compared to him IMO.
I'm with you Vaugs
Both played DE for UNC and wore #90, are tremendous physical specimens, but both have question marks surrounding their work ethic and drive. He reminds me of Peppers too. He’s not as good as Peppers (like you seem to agree), but there are a lot of similarities between the two and he his a good DE.
I thought Peppers wore a different number at UNC?
I thought he didn’t get #90 until he came to the NFL.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Easy bro, I'm a Coples fan too, and these are just opinions.
Believe it or not, there are still some people that don't think
that Cam Newton is a good NFL QB.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 4, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Vagus, better to compare Coples to Pierre-Paul and Carlos Dunlap...
that way the locals here to go crazy. Your reminiscent is just fine, however you are dealing with some very anti UNC people here, or so it would seem. I’ve watched many of them here get pretty amped up about not wanting UNC players.
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Dunlap perhaps...
But JPP, heck no. JPP was almost on the level of freaky athleticism as JP. Heck, he was drafted almost purely on athleticism and potential. Case in point was the twenty-odd something backflips he could do in a row…
Again, I'm a recent UNC graduate...
I’m not anti-UNC or anti-Coples. I just don’t believe in thinking that every prospect that comes out of UNC is gold.
when clowney comes out i would love to put that kid in a panthers uni. he is gonna be a beast if he keeps developing.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Jan 4, 2012 4:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If the "playing not to get hurt" is true...
I don’t condone that, but I understand the reason. Not every NCAA football player can get a $300,000 loan like Andrew Luck and insure themselves. I know that that was alwhite for Luck to do. ;)
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Like I said. I'm not married to the idea of taking Coples if he's available
But to dismiss him as not an elite talent is preposterous and laughable.
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It's very laughable indeed.
I don’t understand the constant desire to degrade players abilities when they haven’t stepped onto a NFL field yet. I especially enjoy those with first hand accounts of a players ability as though they are absolutely certain of a players future success or failure. Absolutely laughable.
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TWSS
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by BW Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
- of Times F@cked and Left? I dunno…
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Should be #, not 1.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I like that. Or something about titty-f@#$ing, perhaps?
Doesn’t have the same ring to it as DSL’s
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
lol
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Yeah, I'm aware of that.
I was commenting on what that would stand for in the context of: TWSS…
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure in some circles it could still be Tackles For Loss...
You’d probably have to pay extra for it though.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I think we got a w(e)inner
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 4, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Nice!
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IMO, a TFL is equivalent to a sack, and should be counted as such.
It’s negative yards, and loss of a down, so what’s the difference, except that it’s a RB you stuffed, rather than a QB.
If CJ had equal credit for his TFLs, he’d be among the league leaders.
I guess the categorization is so we know how a player fares against the run, and as a pass rusher.
But I agree with your premise.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I've seen Mercilus mocked in the high second round several places.
I’d love to get him as a second-round pick.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I have been saying this for months but....Couples isn't a 4-3 end
He isn’t going to give you the Edge pass rushing needed to justify a top 15 pick. His utility is really as a 3-4 end or a guy who comes inside to DT on known passing situations.
Couples is a fine athlete however to play end in a 4-3 you need a guy who can get his shoulder pads low and turn the corner for >> sacks / sack strips / pressure / forcing the quarterback to step up. Couples isn’t that type of player.
He is closer to a Camron Jordan than a Julius Peppers…..He gives you NOTHING as a edge rusher. And i can’t see how anyone could even consider take a end that has not displayed any edge rushing ability…. and certainly can’t play right defensive end.. which ends any real consideration for him to be picked that high. RE are Gold… LE are dime a dozen… and honestly don’t even see him as a even a LE in a 4-3.
This isn’t his fault this is the fault of the media projecting a stereotype of North carolina players. Just not the reality of what he is as a player.
by Shankdiddy on Jan 4, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair...Coples went to UNC, so he probably can't either. :-)
I kid, I kid.
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I went to USC, so I really don't have any room to talk, lol.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
My sister went to USC...
So I watch them religiously as well. How ’bout that Jadeveon?
You want to talk about the next Julius Peppers, I think Jadeveon may be the closest thing…
I agree...
I’ve said a few times on here that he’s a Jevon Kearse/Julius Peppers hybrid.
The kid’s got top 3 pick written all over him.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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You can’t even spell his name right!
HEY YOU!!! i am happy when i can spell my name right.
i have tooo much useless info so things like spelling and tying shoes gets brain dumped (thats my excuse)
It's just hard to listen to somebody...
Who is trying to express expertise or knowledge about something, and they can’t even get something so simply as their name correctly spelled.
Nice invalid comparison.
Coples is more of a Pierre-Paul and Carlos Dunlap. I will keep repeating as long as people keep referencing the false idea of what prototypical edge rusher is. Pierre-Paul and Dunlap are not edge rushers with speed, neither is Coples, yet they are insanely effective. This does not in anyway guarantee success for Coples. On a side note… he is not even close to the same as Cam Jordan.
Do the following DE’s have elite edge rushing capabilities?
Justin Tuck
Charles Johnson
Chris Long
Adrian Clayborn
None of these players are edge rushers, yet they are effective with getting after the QB and sealing off the edge on run plays, with the exception of Long, he’s not very good against the run.
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Actually JPP is an edge rusher with speed.
He actually is a good comparison to Julius Peppers. Just freakishly athletic.
I know ive said this before.. But Green Bay and New England have proven you don’t need a good D Aslong as your offense is strong enough. Green Bay and New England have the 2 worst Ds in the league and yet their combined record is 27-4. And I feel we have that elite top 5 offense to carry us to greatness despite a poor D. If NE and Green Bay can do it, so can we.
by PantherTrain on Jan 4, 2012 12:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
When they lose in the playoffs, you'll see why defense is important.
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+1
And I believe, that soon, defenses will come back in vogue. Teams are going crazy getting offenses right now, but soon all offenses will be good. And the measure to beat the other team will be defenses. Might as well build a steady and sturdy D to go along with the dynamite offense we are building.
They have playmakers on defense though.
Yes, they’re the bottom two teams in yards allowed per game, but they rank first and second in interceptions. They create turnovers which puts the ball back in the hands of their offense. We don’t.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Other teams are passing to try and keep up in the track meet?
by panthersnbraves on Jan 4, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
They had to do that against us too.
We simply don’t have the opportunistic players that Green Bay and New England has, especially in the secondary.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
The Packers and Steelers were dominant, defensively, in the playoffs last year.
Its a yin and a yang, not just a yang, PT.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
They've proven that only under the slim chance that you build a top 3 offense
I’d rather beef up our defense, than to take my chances on that.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
The two worst D's in yards allowed, yes, but
When you look at other, more important, statistics about their defense. They are actually in the middle of the pack (15th and 16th) in POINTS ALLOWED per game and like Humphrey said they are ranked first and second in interceptions.
by Martin LatinFire Gonzalez on Jan 4, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Since 2002 the
Superbowl Champion’s average def rank is 8.8 and only 2 have won it with a defense ranking below 10. That tells the story PT
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by Kris Mynatt on Jan 4, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Teams with no defense can win super bowls
but teams with no offense can win them as well. (hello, Baltimore and Tampa Bay).
More often, you have teams with both a good offense and a good defense winning the Super Bowl.
a good offence helps your defence in this era of football under these rules
I know ive said this before.. But Green Bay and New England have proven you don’t need a good D Aslong as your offense is strong enough. Green Bay and New England have the 2 worst Ds in the league and yet their combined record is 27-4. And I feel we have that elite top 5 offense to carry us to greatness despite a poor D. If NE and Green Bay can do it, so can we.
It really comes down too having HOF quarterbacks. So if you have HOF quarterbacks with weapons you maybe able to get by with it.
But don’t think about ranking systems just yet. Because alot of it the teams they have faced that can more the ball. That pads the stats in the NFL ranking. Where as the Bengals for example have played against >>> Colt McCoyx2 …. Hasselbeck….. Blaine gabbert…. alex smith…. Ryan Fitzigotmypaycheckpatrick…. (whoever indy started that week)…..Tavarus Jackson…. oooohhh Yates!!!!…. AJ Feely…. John Skelton… Kyle Orten (before he was waived) ….and Big Ben and Flacco is the highlight of your schedule!!!! (All 4 games vs them = L’s). …. HOW can anyone take their defensive rank seriously?(or their team?)
Point is don’t be totally fooled by defensive ranks (even though i do think they are bad)
The best defense against the Saints if you want to win the Division is to score. You can have the top 10 picks in this coming draft and draft all defence and guess what>? Saints are still going to score. But if the Panthers respond to scores it helps the defense. If the Panthers came out at half and scored to make it 24 to 24 and get just one 3and out and score again then the entire game changes… but when your offence doesn’t respond it just steam rolls vs the Aaron Rodgers and Brees type quarterbacks.
Re: Bengals
HOW can anyone take their defensive rank seriously?(or their team?)
I’m pretty sure we could all skip that game this weekend. Don’t see Cincinnati vs Houston being a quality football game. But the way Houston has been playing lately, I could see Cincinnati getting into the divisional round and then being thoroughly beaten down by the Pats or Ravens.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Re:re skipping the CIN/HOU game.
UNLESS Jake Delhomme starts for HOU.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
That would make for an exciting game...
The Red Ryder BB Gun vs. the Cajun Cannon in an all out showdown to find out who gets demolished by the Pats/Ravens.
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by BW Smith on Jan 4, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would totally be cheering for Delhomme
he imploded and we had to move on, but he’s still a classy guy, and I would love for the Texans to win the Super Bowl so he gets the ring he almost had with us.
by Philipkcks on Jan 4, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll go ahead and call Dre Kirkpatrick or Quinton Coples will be our pick
Considering our needs, I don’t see how you pass on either… Assuming Blackmon and Claiborne don’t slip, which I don’t think they will.
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The only other player I think we would take would be either Rieff or Martin.
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No DeCastro?
I know, it’d be harder to justify being that he is an interior lineman, but if anyone in this draft looks like a lock (outside of Stinky Bush Neck), its DeCastro.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe...but I'd have a hard time imagining them picking a guard.
(Love the use of Stinky Bush Neck, btw.)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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Guard isn't even being close to being a need.
RT is the only position that currently is a need on the line. Otah can’t stay healthy. But we forget that Schwartz is a pretty good guard and he hopefully will be healthy. And Garry Williams will be back and Gross said he was projected to start at RG before he broke his leg in the pre-season. Plus I think Hangartner did a more than adequate job. It’s not like Turnstile is anywhere near starting.
by jojoisthemann on Jan 4, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Hurney sounded like OT was a possibility, but I think it's a reach
Wait until the later rounds, and use the surer picks on D… IMO
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Some DL will inevitably sneak up the board as we get closer to draft day.
Such an imperative position now. I’m hoping we don’t reach on a DT or DE. There are some guys drafted around our pick last year who didn’t do jack. Come to think of it, I’m gonna list the 5 picks before and after (assuming we lose coin toss) our pick to see how successful their rookie seasons were (just for shits and giggles)…
4 Cincinnati Bengals A.J. Green WR Georgia
5 Arizona Cardinals Patrick Peterson DB LSU
6 Atlanta Falcons Julio Jones WR Alabama
7 San Francisco 49ers Aldon Smith LB Missouri
8 Tennessee Titans Jake Locker QB Washington
9 Dallas Cowboys Tyron Smith T USC
10 Jacksonville Jaguars Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri
11 Houston Texans J.J. Watt DE Wisconsin
12 Minnesota Vikings Christian Ponder QB Florida State
13 Detroit Lions Nick Fairley DT Auburn
14 St. Louis Rams Robert Quinn DE North Carolina
Well, the good news is I don’t think you can say anyone flat out missed. Gabbert is the closest thing to that, but I’m pretty sure he gets another year. Yes, this is a different draft with different players and different team needs, but this is an indication that we should be able to safely find a “difference maker” as Marty put it, and maybe even an elite player if we’re lucky.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the “didn’t do jack” comment was about Quinn and Fairley, but they were later picks. And Fairley was hurt much of the year so he gets a pass.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Even Quinn wasn't that bad.
Not a stunning year, but a solid 3rd DE that should get the starting job next year.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think the other pass rushers are indicative of what a "hit" can be at those pick spots though
Watt and Smith have been phenomenal
You are right about that.
And the OLB/pass rusher in Washington was pretty good, too. Kerrigan. He went a pick or two after Quinn, IIRC.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Quinn had 5 sacks this year. That's pretty good for a rookie.
Given not up to Smith’s standards. Then again, Smith was playing on the Niners #1 ranked defense, and Quinn was on the 2 win Rams.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 4, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Aldon Smith had Justin Smith eating up blockers in front of him.
by jojoisthemann on Jan 4, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
True.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Uhm ok...
You have no idea where Blackmon or Claiborne will fall, either could come out and have a disastrous combine, 4.65 40 or less neither go in the first 15 all that takes is to pull up short… but then again im also just talking out my a$$
At this point we all are
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by southtunnel on Jan 4, 2012 10:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Me likey these guys.........
Morris Claiborne
Riley Reiff
Dre Kirkpatrick
Jonathan Martin
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A lot of people are clamoring for DeCastro
If we take a guard top 10 I will be super pissed off. The only OL position worth taking that high is a person who can eventually move to LT. IMO we go CB/DL unless Blackmon slips
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
I'll admit that a lot of weird shit would have to take place for us to even consider a G.
Or we’d have to trade down several spots, which I don’t think will happen.
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by ERL on Jan 4, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I Agreed.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 4, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
*Agree
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 4, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone
Clamoring for Decastro at 8 or 9 is either stark crazy or an idiot, not only would it be a waste of a pick but you would be overpaying for the G at that position even with the Rookie wage scale
both pick 8 (Jake Locker) and 9 (Tyron Smith) Got 12.5M over 4 years fully guarenteed. and so will every pick 8 and 9 for the rest of the cba so I can fully gurantee that the capologist inside hurney wont make that move…
This^^^
"It is now official... Cam Newton is now the face of our franchise.
by Caro2daheart... on Jan 4, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
This times a million
"What do want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
Anybody that's a projected 10+ year starter/multiple time Pro Bowler
Is worth a top-10 pick. If Hurney thinks DeCastro is that guy, then we should pick him.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
This discusion is so crazy...
No combine numbers, pro days or nothing, have of who were talking about will be in a different round then we project them a month from now.
What the hell else will we talk about?
You think we’d like to discuss how well the Saints will do in the post-season?
by jojoisthemann on Jan 4, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
This.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 4, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
GMs that base their analysis off Combine and Pro Day numbers end up unemployed.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
You cant go wrong addressing the front line on either side of the ball. I just hope whoever we do pick is a 10+ player who will contribute to this team for a long long time at a high level.
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"I don't see no ceiling. I don't see no breaking point." - Cam Newton
Hurney's Remarks.
I think it some what a hint in who Hurney likes for our first pick. Just a day ago Jonathan Martin declares for the draft and a day later Hurney talks about OL depth and strengh. Just seems to me someone from our scouting dept has been really watching this guy. HINT!! HINT!!. Here is my prediction on how our first part of the draft will go.
1st rd. Jonathan Martin (protected best QB in the country’s blind side.)
2nd rd. Jerell Worthy (just needs the right coach to light fire under him, tons of potential)
3rd rd. Yes 3rd round rd every draft it seems like Hurney makes a move to get into the action of the 3rd rd. Get player of need. Markelle Martin (is my guess to upgrade the saftey position if he is still available.)
the panthers has no 3 rd pick, traded it to get
Greg olsen.
by adam carter on Jan 4, 2012 6:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They will.
Hurney will make a move to get back into the 3rd to have a pick. He seems to always like getting a player out of the 3rd rd.
Ughh god I hope not!
I think our past has proved that the interest that you pay in trading future picks isn’t worth the cost. Keep our picks! No more trading future picks!
unless they can get a young solid proven
playmaker thru draft or another teams player such as for example a Greg olsen then I wouldn’t mind trading a future draft pick. No more Everett brown, AE, etc.
by adam carter on Jan 4, 2012 8:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I really don't think Hurney is going to strap himself to one prospect 3 months before the draft...
And before the combine, and all post-bowl games. I think he’ll keep an open mind. He’s not Al Davis!
Not so fast.
Last year almost immediately Hurney and Richardson came out and said they had to address the QB position and they did. So wouldn’t it make sense to invest early in a player to protect that investment. Look at Sam Bradford this season he got beat up all season and was hurt. We have our franchise QB we need to protect his blind side so he can make throws down the field for the next 10 years. Luck is good but he would not be half as good if he did not have Martin in college protecting him to throw the ball.
Last year they also
thought Luck was going to be that Quarterback and QB was the only position of need that really stuck out. I don’t see a position of need that sticks out this year as much as QB did last year.
We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time. ~ Vince Lombardi
OMG!
Well they must have settled on Cam months before the draft then! That is a bit odd however, considering that they waited till the last week for JR to vet Cam…
Perhaps Hurney and Ronnie should just quit scouting now…
Additionally...
Of course it’s reasonable and wise that Hurney and Rivera would want to protect their newfound asset in Cam. However, just because they said they wanted to doesn’t restrict them to taking an OT in the first round. Heck, taking a OT in the 4th round could qualify that statement. Just because they said that they want to keep their strengths strong and add on offense doesn’t mean that they are locking onto one player/position and done with scouting. Especially when you pick 8 or 9, and so many things could transpire…
I'm not loving it, but not hating it either.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 5, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Has to be defense
I really don’t see how the Panthers would use the first couple of picks on anything but CB and DT, unless they intend to pursue them in free agency, and the philosophy on that front now is to go after “second tier” players, according to one writer. The defense MUST be upgraded.
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