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Loyalty: What is it Good For?

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Jerry Richardson has been called a lot of things by the national media and oftentimes without cause. There have been fairly public faux pas for the Big Cat in his dealings with Peyton Manning and Drew Brees during the CBA negotiations last Summer, and this continued in to the season with reports that were blown out of proportion of him asking Cam Newton to remain tattoo free. There have been numerous occasions and numerous fans who have pondered whether the Carolina Panthers would be better off with a younger owner, or someone with a new approach. Today I can't help but think that if a new approach is Jim Irsay's brand of running a football team then I'm proud of what we have.

If you haven't already heard Jason LaCanfora of NFL Network is reporting that the Indianapolis Colts elected to part ways with Peyton Manning 'weeks ago' in the wake of a season in ruins and a #1 pick. This report, coupled with the subsequent fallout from Colts' fans made me imagine the time just two short years ago that we parted ways with our starting QB, and I'll be discussing this and more...

After the jump

Star-divide

Nobody will argue that Jake Delhomme was on the same level as Peyton Manning on the field, but off it their circumstances were very much the same. Jake was the Panthers' starting QB for seven years and like the Colts needing to head in a new, younger direction the writing was on the wall with Delhomme and there was an obvious need for change. Unlike Manning though there were no cloak and dagger coaching moves, no reports of a rift and no discord.

Jake Delhomme sat in front of the media, next to Marty Hurney with tears streaming down his face trying to convince everyone these were 'tears of joy' even though we all knew different. While we all intuited he would be released there was no leak of it early, there was no nastiness. In this instance our old-school, fuddy duddy owner did a lot in keeping the proceedings classy.

The same can't be said for maverick owner Jim Irsay who chooses Twitter as his medium of choice. Sure, Irsay is the 'new breed' but in this issue with Peyton Manning he's shown that loyalty isn't a virtue he values. Peyton Manning gave the best part of his career to an organization that was unable to surround him with adequate talent, yet he re-signed... twice. Sure he won one superbowl, but in the same time span Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger won multiple rings, and next week his younger brother has the chance to get his second. Meanwhile at the first chink in the armor Irsay and the Colts were ready to ditch their hall of fame QB.

At times the stadium rules we have in place seem antiquated and maddening, and sure there are occasions where I wish there was a little more openness between the team and bloggers, but when it's all said and done I'm proud that we have an owner and an organization who understand how to treat their players. If the price of having cash giveaways on twitter and a free wheeling 'fun' owner is treating your team legends like they're disposable then I'm proud of our 'old' owner.

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Well said.

i don’t think anyone has any respect for Jim Irsay.

by jojoisthemann on Jan 29, 2012 7:03 AM EST reply actions  

New England seemed to have managed just fine paying a QB top dollar while building a team around him…. Pittsburgh did the same.

I find it funny that Peyton Manning is the only QB charged with hindering his team when so many other players make right at, or more than Peyton does on a year to year basis.

by James Dator on Jan 29, 2012 7:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I should add, of all those 1st rounders who was actually worth a damn?

Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James and Dallas Clark… that’s it.

If a sub 50% hit rate on 1st round picks is ‘bending over backwards’ then I’d hate to see them fail

by James Dator on Jan 29, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say there were good at drafting.

Just that they tried their best to provide Manning with weapons.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jan 29, 2012 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait

Marvin Harrison wasn’t any good?

"How come when you wake up from being blacked out drunk you've never done anything productive? You're never like dude, I think I built a shed last night. I don't know if I'm ready for a shed right now. This shed is ruining my life!"

by Imisshooooooooov on Jan 30, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Brady is doing exactly what Manning has done for years:

Carried the team on his back. Previously he was just one part of a whole – sure he was very good at his job, but the team picked up his slack.

You look at their D this year and it reminds me of the Colts – a good deal of that is because they have so much money invested in Brady. Likewise it’s also that the Patriots have drafted badly on D in recent years.

When a team invests that much money in one player he can’t complain about them not surrounding him with talent. He IS the talent.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jan 29, 2012 7:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Manning has never complained though...

I personally think it’s classless to fire the entire staff without consulting your franchise QB, or giving them a basic heads up on where the team is heading.

There are two schools of thought: Either players are nothing more than commodities, or they’re treated like integral parts of the organization. If you prescribe to the former that’s fine, but I don’t like the Euro/Soccer method of players meaning next to nothing other than bargaining chips to be used up and discarded as needed.

I think it’s bad for football and a damn shame that we’ll see Peyton Manning playing in another jersey. Just as it was a shame with Montana in KC, or Rice in Oakland.

by James Dator on Jan 29, 2012 7:42 AM EST up reply actions  

So you'd be ok with paying Manning $28m (or whatever it is) without knowing if he's ever going to play again?

That’s what it boils down to. It’s a business decision.

Players mean next to nothing to me because they’ve become mercenaries.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jan 29, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I think you're missing the point

It’s not the fact the decision was made to move on, but rather how it was made.

None of us should have any clue what the Colts plans are re: Manning, but they’ve leaked their dirty laundry.

This is going to be one of those ‘agree to disagree’ things because I can not (nor will I ever) view players as ‘mercenaries’. There are people, families involved and while there is a huge business aspect to the game I will not remove all humanity from it in order to satisfy business.

by James Dator on Jan 29, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The move has been leaked, but that in all likelihood is not their choice.

I’m sure there will be an official press conference where all the ‘classy’ comments can be made.

I haven’t removed all humanity – but these people treat the game as a business. In a world where the people that are paying their wages treat it as more than just a business. They cannot complain when they’re treated as commodities considering all they do is look for the biggest pay cheque.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jan 29, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

It was totally Irsay’s choice — and everything seems to be pointing to Irsay being the one who leaked the info to Rob Lowe, at least from the rumor mill. And it says something that the folks over at Stampede Blue seem to believe that Irsay did leak it to Lowe.

Manning, as I understood it, made this most recent deal by taking a cut, since supposedly the Colts were valuing him even more than his $90M contract — mostly so that the Colts could get more players in to help the team. Granted, a lot of that failure still falls on Bill Polian and his draft strategy of trying to be wholly offensive and letting the defense flounder — and the sub-50% hit on first-round picks is indicative of that.

Now, I’m not going to say Manning took the high road in his interview at the beginning of the week, though I can understand his concerns — especially since one of the fired personnel was the one monitoring Peyton’s health. Irsay made it clear that the vaunted Horseshoe doesn’t matter — especially if it could be proven for a certainty that he was the leak to Lowe in the first place. Even so — Irsay undercut his new head coach, just to make a point of sniping at Manning for his comments.

If Irsay wants to cut Manning to make way for Andrew Luck, then so be it — I think, however, the Colts are doomed to disappointment with Luck, especially without having Peyton as a potential mentor to help get Luck acclimated to the speed of the NFL; then again, that’s my lack of being impressed with Luck’s college record when he’s actually had to deal with competition, rather than his usual steamrolling with the benefit of a weak strength of schedule to further his hype.

Moral: Thank God we have Big Cat. I’ll take him over just about any NFL owner in the league.

by NX75649 on Jan 29, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

it could and should have been handled better

Both parties have to share the blame there. This should have all happened behind closed doors. Instead you’ve got a franchise qb saying there’s a bad atmosphere and an owner calling said qb a politician. I find the whole thing unprofessional. They’ve had to do a joint statement for gods sake, how ridiculous is that. Regardless of what they are saying this incident will have damaged colts morale. Its been bad for there team and they should both pipe down now and stop embarrassing themselves and their team.

Save us Pilares

by LimeyPanther on Jan 29, 2012 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

at the end of the day he's the quarterback though?

Why should he be consulted on organisational decisions? I agree with some of the other stuff your saying. Players always mean something to a team regardless of the sport, but organisations have to be ready to move on without their stars. 28 million is a truck load of money but I don’t think any of us can say manning hasn’t earned it, he’s one of the best qbs ever. But you can’t invest that kind of money and draft your future starting qb who is pro ready now. It doesn’t seem like a sound investment.

Also reading further down, SOME players are a little ‘mercenary’, but I think these are the exception… Rather than the rule. at the same time, anyone can love their team but the offer of a massive pay increase can test that. Money talks

Save us Pilares

by LimeyPanther on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Colts problem was they didn't draft well enough to keep them in contention minus key players

That is why the Polians were dismissed. Its hard to fathom a team who is a yearly contender losing not only their star QB, but other key players as well and turn in a good season. The backup QBs werent ready to play and it showed. The Colts were a classic example of a team in disarray. The firings from the front office down to the coaching staff may have been premature…especially Jim Caldwell. In the end, everyone knew that there would not be a roster featuring Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck on it.

Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values

by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 29, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

no they wouldn't! peyton is old! NO WAY they waist a #1[by trading] when their qb is almost 40!

don’t care how healthy manning is! this year woke up that front office! they might have kept him a couple years but not likley!…..hahaha BTW i hope Luck sucks at the next level! it seems to be a forgone conclusion he is going to be great[ so was J russel/ryan leaf/etc] i love for the same people to be just a wrong about andrew luck as they were about Cam! lol

by TheWhite Mamba on Jan 29, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I guarantee that if Manning was healthy they'd trade the Luck pick.

He can play for 5 more years.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jan 29, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

If Manning were healthy, they’d draft Luck and have him start in a year or two then trade Manning.

by aceofsween on Jan 29, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

While I agree that the way this has been handled has been extremely poor

I have have a pretty big problem with all these players who expect their franchise to be “loyal to them”. All I ever hear when these players want more money or want to leave, is “well, it’s a business, I’m doing whats best for me”. Is there anything wrong with that, no, not at all. But, when they expect to have the franchise’s show loyalty back to them is when I get tired of it. It’s either a business or it isn’t. Cutting Peyton Manning is, flat out, the best business decision for the Colts. My heart tells me it’s wrong, that they owe him for all he has done, but at the end of the day, as so many players like to tell us, “It’s a business”. And if it’s a business when they leave teams in shambles (a la Lebron James), then it is a business when teams have to cut lose fan favorites and key figures.

I mean, $28 million isn’t the kind of money that you say, “well he did a lot of good for us, let’s just pay him.” That is a HUGE amount of money, more money that you or I will ever see, a lot more. You can’t simply expect the Colts to just give away $28 million. It is a shrewd business decision.

Of course Irsay could have handled this better, but the decision in and of itself, is a good one that I completely agree with.

Let me just end by saying that I do value loyalty, but are we really glad that we showed blinding loyalty to Jake Delhomme and gave him that huge extension just to see him meltdown? Sometimes you gotta know when to just let someone walk, and for the Colts and Peyton Manning, this is the right time.

"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."

by SouthernPanther on Jan 29, 2012 7:19 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Exactly it's a two way street.

Not to mention it’s not like Manning is being kicked out into the street.

There will be 10 teams falling over themselves to sign him.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jan 29, 2012 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

If Manning can still play

Then the $28million bonus is a small price to pay for Manning’s trade value. His contract has 4 more years and the Colts will have paid all the big money. Manning if healthy is worth the Plamer trade and then some. $28million is a small price to pay for 2 first rounders and if he’s not ready to play, they cut him either way.

"I kinda just sling it" -Jake

by bleed_in_blue on Jan 29, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

i dont think

anyone will pay 2 first rounders and 28 mil for payton

by hey. on Jan 29, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Well the thing is

Peyton hasn’t made “business decisions” only to turn around and expect loyalty. Peyton has been very loyal to the Colts and has had his contract restructured and pay reduced to help the team in the past. It’s a shame the Colts don’t return the favor.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 29, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Damnit

i was going to say that

by hey. on Jan 29, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol, Rec'd.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Jan 29, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, i don't even think the Colts would still be in Indy without Manning

That franchise was complete and total shit before he got there. And if in some alternate universe they had used that pick on Leaf, i see the Colts somewhere far from Indy.

On a side note, who ever called JR racist?

by hey. on Jan 29, 2012 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Colts have no class

I look at the way they let players go over the past, and it was never classy. Reggie Wayne summed it up best when he talked to the crew after the Colts last game. He talked about the way they let Marvin Harrison and Edge James go. Nothing classy. No press conference or anything. He expects the same treatment. Through all this, there hasn’t even been a story about Wayne getting a new deal. So Luck can come to Indy with no real RB, and without Peyton and without Wayne…and no real defense. Heard they were gonna let Robert Mathis go as well. I don’t understand how a team that calls itself rebuilding lets go of quality players. As we were “rebuilding”, we re-signed our top guys. Look how that turned out…Superbowl bound in 2012. The Colts are gonna get worse before they get better. It’s their own fault for not having a real coach or offensive coordinator since Dungy left. If Luck is at least as good as Matt Ryan, they’ll still be losing for years because they lack the talent on that squad.

by usana_gaines on Jan 29, 2012 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

If they let Mathis go

then they are completely screwed. i see him as one of the best players at his position in the NFL despite having less than spectacular numbers. I almost wouldnt be suprised if Luck took the Elway or Eli Manning approach and basically refuse to play there

by hey. on Jan 29, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

As close as the Lucks and the Mannings are...

That may well be a possibility. Not entirely certain that it would happen, but Luck’s already acknowledged that part of his decision not to declare last year was because of talking with Peyton. If Luck’s paying attention and seeing how Irsay is acting right now in regards to Peyton, it ought to make him think twice about being willing to play for the Colts.

by NX75649 on Jan 29, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It would be almost impossible for me to have a larger smile if Luck did this.

The only way it would be possible is if all of this was happening to the Patriots instead of the Colts.

A man can dream, right?

by Aleins4u on Jan 29, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if they do draft luck

I still think they’re years away from being a playoff contender. They have absolutely no offense, no defense and a new coach. I dont care how good Luck is, It’s going to take a lot of time for him to turn that franchise around

by hey. on Jan 29, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if they do draft Luck

I still think they’re years away from being a playoff contender. They have absolutely no offense, no defense and a new coach. I dont care how good Luck is, It’s going to take a lot of time for him to turn that franchise around

by hey. on Jan 29, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Our offense has way more weapons than the Colts

We have two pretty good tight ends, a great reciever, and two very good running backs with a solid O line. If the colts lose Wayne and Saturday ( which it looks like they will) then they will have none of these except one pretty good tight end

by hey. on Jan 29, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

You can't just talk about Newton being that difference

Chud, Shula, Olsen, Shockey, Nanee, and Hangartner were not there in 2010

by Atlantapanther on Jan 29, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Way to put things in perspective James.

Our organization gets alot of unfair bad raps from the media and public opinion sometimes without real just cause. The Panthers have are blessed to have the Big Cat as our owner and founder. He is the reason we have a team in the Carolinas period. He also does treat his players with class in front of the public eye. I also think Hurney gets bashed to much for every thing he does. If you look at track records who would you rather have had up till now Polian who got lucky with one draft pick in Manning or Hurney who has been great with the first rounders he has drafted so far. I’ll take Hurney. Plus I am not sold on Luck either. There is something I can’t put my finger on with him that screams average QB in the NFL. I want to say he has been in such a controlled environment up to this point how will he deal with any adversity. I think his father is arogant and has and will control his son so much he cracks just like Todd Marinovich. I have that feeling about Luck.

by Smokewagon on Jan 29, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

I for one am happy we have JR. This is a guy who traveled to the funeral of a fan who saw every game since the teams inception, not as a media stunt, not as a way of garnering more support from fans, but simply because the man wanted to give his respects and thanks to a man who spent every Sunday watching his team play.

JR may be old fashioned, but one can seriously argue that old fashioned virtues and ideals are far better than the detached and social media driven values we deal with today. I find it refreshing to have an owner not willing to partake in all this drama and garbage people like irsay are doing. I like that our team is somewhat under the radar.

JR built this team from the ground up, and he will always have my respect for trying to keep this as a respectable organization, an organization that isn’t synonymous with breaking the law (like the bengals) or cheating (like the patriots), or even now, a media drama circus (like the colts). I firmly believe we will win a Super Bowl without being any of those things, and I believe that Cam and Rivera will win a Super Bowl for the Big Cat in the future.

Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme

by Ivan459 on Jan 29, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

And another thing.

Hurney and the Big Cat showed us as a fan base that they are 100% commited to this organization and the team when they took a chance on a kid that many people doubted could play in this league. Hurney put in the work and the time and went with Cam when every other dumb ass anaylist said it was a bad move. That shows me they do not care what twitter or facebook or the media thinks. They kept that close to the vest and met with players from the team and wanted to do what was best for the team. That should show us the class and loyalty that Hurney and the Big Cat has for their players. Panthers and their fan base first enough said.

by Smokewagon on Jan 29, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed. Hurney basically put his job on the line with that pick

When he could’ve taken the safe route and taken Peterson or Dareus

CAM....CAAAAAAAAM

by CamNewtonSBMVP on Jan 29, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I was pretty sure they would go with Dareus.

But thats why I’m a network engineer and not a GM ;)

~A bullet may have your name on it...but grenades are addressed 'to whom it may be concerned...'

by boywonderncsu on Jan 29, 2012 2:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I was thinking Peterson

They seemed to like him a lot and he was “the surest thing since Charles Woodson”

CAM....CAAAAAAAAM

by CamNewtonSBMVP on Jan 29, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

There is that...

But other than some nice punt returns, has he been the CB that he was projected to be?

~A bullet may have your name on it...but grenades are addressed 'to whom it may be concerned...'

by boywonderncsu on Jan 29, 2012 3:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Interesting

how you at first complain of how the media bad raps Jerry Richardson based on street rumors and shallow stories and then you go ahead and do the same on Jim Irsay

by ArmandoT11 on Jan 29, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

What Irsay is doing isn't a "street rumor" or "shallow stories"

He has made his ignorance known all over twitter.

"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton

by Smitty89 on Jan 29, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme

by Ivan459 on Jan 29, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy

Did Jerry Richardson refused to give Peppers a big contract because he is cheap? Not quite, but that was the story the media had.
Has Jim Irsay traded or released Manning, because of salary issues? No, but every columnist is running with that story.

The media is what I was talking about, maybe I wasnt clear enough.

by ArmandoT11 on Jan 30, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference...

Carolina did offer a bigger contract to Peppers — in fact, I think they did their best to match, if not outdo the Bears offer. Peppers walked.

Peppers is a hell of a DE when he wants to be — and that last part, honestly, is why I’m glad he’s no longer a Panther.

by NX75649 on Jan 30, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

THE COLTS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CHOICE

Payton Manning’s contract will be guaranteed for a mind numbing and salary cap busting $28 million if he is not released by mid March… At that time, in all likelihood, he will be unable to pass his physical.. In fact, it is doubtful that he will ever be healthy enough to play again, much less play at his usual star level..

That said, there will still be an opportunity for the Colts to bring the guy back at a realistic salary, if Payton wishes to remain in Indy… That is where this thing is headed, unless Payton’s ego drives him out of town in search of the highest guaranteed dollars..

by tarock on Jan 29, 2012 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Jim Irsay's father, Bob, infamously packed up the franchise and moved it...
In January 1984 an intoxicated Irsay appeared before the Baltimore media and exclaimed, “This is my goddamn team!” He reiterated that, despite problems, the rumors that he was moving the team were untrue. With negotiations over improvements to Memorial Stadium at an impasse, one of the chambers of the Maryland state legislature passed a law on March 27, 1984, allowing the city of Baltimore to seize the Baltimore Colts under eminent domain, which city and county officials had threatened to do. Irsay later claimed the city promised him a new football stadium, something they later denied, citing the team’s poor attendance. The next day, Irsay, fearing a dawn raid on the team’s Owings Mills headquarters, accepted a deal offered by the city of Indianapolis, Indiana. Indianapolis Mayor, William Hudnut, contacted his friend John B. Smith, at that time the CEO of the Mayflower Transit Company, who arranged for fifteen trucks to pack the team’s property hurriedly and transport it to Indianapolis in the early hours of the morning of March 29.- wikipedia

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Jan 30, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah that's one of the biggest dick moves of all time.

I can understand moving the team to a new city, but moving them in the middle of the night? That’s dick move on a whole new level.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.

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by BW Smith on Jan 30, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Also a dick move

Threatening to seize the team under the bullshit that is “eminent domain”.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 30, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.

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by BW Smith on Jan 30, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

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