The Dreaded Phrase: "Character Issues"
One term I believe gets thrown around way too much is the label of having "character issues". Some guys deserve the label, but many guys get labeled undeservedly so. What determines if someone's character is flawed, and how do these flaws determine their future effectiveness as a professional football player? The biggest question involves if the player shows a trend to do things in the future that will affect his playing time. In light of the character issues that have been cited against several guys in this year's draft and against some of our current players, I wish to add my two cents and gauge the opinions of the CSR community by giving some overviews and comparisons of players.
Cam Newton
This dead horse has been somewhat beaten, but I want to say that even coming in I felt him being labeled as a character risk was incorrect. It was also disappointing to see various analysts use the issues surrounding him to question his work ethic. Several of them admitted that they had nothing definitive to base the negative opinions of his work ethic on (other than stereotypes), and ignored the fact that he had to show a strong work ethic to win two national championships at two different schools while going unbeaten in the SEC. You don't go undefeated in college football by showing up unprepared, running around, and just winging it. In fact because of the sheer time commitment alone, being a collegiate football player in itself should be synonymous with having at least a decent work ethic. Most of these guys are working out and/or studying film in the morning, going to class during the day, practicing/studying film in the afternoon and evening, and then doing classwork at night. For the record, this is how I look at his prior issues:
1) Allegations of cheating: A lot of people cheat in college, whether its someone giving you some test questions, or a lady friend wanting to write a paper for you. I did both and I turned out fine.
2) Stolen Laptop allegations: I look at this as the one dumb mistake you make when you are young, and even Cam is quoted as saying it was a "senseless mistake". Dumb stuff happens in the dorms, and he exhibted no further behavior consistent with being a random thief.
3) Money request issue from dad: It happens, we all know it happens, lets stop pretending that it doesn't happen. If you've ever lived in a major college town and seen the cars some of the players drive, you know that it has to be happening. Obviously if his dad felt "it's not going to be free this time", then he believed that there were players at the University of Florida getting paid.
That was it on Cam. No drug arrests, no bar fight allegations, no DUIs, no beating his girlfriend. Though I was previoulsy concerned about his physical transition to the pro game, I did not feel a reason to doubt the guys integrity before the draft.
Now he was a guy I was a little more on the fence with. For a refresher...
Jr. year- Cited for public urination: He should have been a little smarter than that, but its not a reason to throw him under the bus. Many do it, few get caught.
Sr. year- A DUI in which he was caught driving the wrong way on a one-way street: DUI is unfortunately much more common than it should be. What I look for is if someone is reckless enough to commit a second one. He did not, but:
Prior to the draft: He got into an car accident and was caught driving with a suspended license due to his DUI. The accident occurred on a Tuesday afternoon when he was on his way to rehab his knee (note: not on the way to a club). Bad decision maybe, but not really something to crucify him over.
So really the biggest issue against Hogan was the DUI. Rivera spoke with Hogan on the phone before the draft, and felt comfortable with selecting the guy. It appears that taking a chance on him may work out well for the Panthers in the future. He has not had any incidents thus far, so the other teams skipping over him could be our blessing.
Now for the new guys...
Dre Kirpatrick
We all have seen the story. He was riding around with a former teammate in Florida and got caught with a small amount of marijuana. Its one of those things that is kind of a big deal, but not really that big of a deal at the same time. Its not so much about smoking weed, (since so many do it), but that HE (a potential multi-million dollar draft prospect) got caught doing it. He must understand that there are different levels of responsibility for different people, and him getting caught doing this is different from the average college guy smoking weed. Any pre-draft tweak has the ability to cost his pockets dearly. The question is was this a moment of stupidity, or does he have some true character flaws? This seems to be a first offense, so I believe he likely will be fine as long as he interviews well.
Janoris Jenkins
Mr. Jenkins appears to be in a slightly different situation because of his history. He was caught in a club possessing a small amount of marijuana, and then got caught again with marijuana in his car 3 months later. Two years earlier, he was arrested following a fight. After being kicked off the UF team for his second drug incident in 3 months, he was quoted as saying, "No doubt, if Coach Meyer were still coaching, I'd still be playing for the Gators. Coach Meyer knows what it takes to win." However, he did try and take responsibility by saying, "It wasn't Coach Muschamp's fault; it was my fault". I believe that some deep interviews are needed to show that he is truly remorseful and understands the potential consequences of any future incidents. Hopefully the fighting and drugs in the club are behind him. He is only one mistake away as a professional from immediately being labeled as Pacman Jones 2.0 (a guy who was a top ten pick the year he was drafted).
When a player's character or work ethic is called into question, I believe the best witness will always be that player's former coaches. They have spent more than enough time with the player to be able to have a good idea of what type of work ethic they have, and what type of professional they will be. The biggest question is will they committ the troublesome act again, making the investment not worth the risk. Interviews go a long way into giving teams confidence. This was certainly the case with Cam, and to a lesser extent with Brandon Hogan. Guys have to say the right things, and come across as sincere while saying it.
If the Panthers do decide they are comfortable with Dre K , Janoris Jenkins, or any other guy with "character issues", they have two things working for them as an organization when dealing with them. To them, drafting Brandon Hogan should show that the organization has given people second chances after hazy incidents. At the same time, the Panthers have Lawrence Wilson as an example to show that the organization is very serious when they say you only get one time to betray that trust. To quote Ron Rivera to Brandon Hogan, "there's no three strikes and you're out". So what do you guys and gals think?
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Id Draft Both
Take both and we would literally be set in our secondary for the next 15+ years! Think about it, if the opportunity to draft two first round caliber CBs in two different rounds why not jump on it! I know we have other needs but really it’s kinda a can’t miss opportunity if its there!
Its CAMMY CAM TIME!!!!!
by Tedy_78 on Jan 27, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Interesting idea, especially since the front office was willing to double-dip with DTs last year
Personaly since Gamble is playing at such a high level, I think only one is necessary. But an upgrade at the corner position could help give us more wins immediately.
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Jan 27, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like that would be a great pick because Gamble is playing in his prime and to be 4 deep at corner would be very advantageous for us!
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by Tedy_78 on Jan 27, 2012 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it would be an overload
Gamble, Kirk, Jenkins, Hogan, Munnerlyn, Butler
Thats 6 CBs who are all pretty good (Butler and Munnerlyn are Nickel/Dime guys, but still pretty good)
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Does anyone else find it interesting that a lot of the guys who have to answer these types of questions are CBs?
Hogan, Kirpatrick, Jenkins, and even Pacman Jones…
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Jan 27, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions
its because as CB's most are looked down on and need to fight if they wanna win at their postition
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I would add that since WRs are the "prima-donnas" and do so much trash talking
that it gives some of the CBs a tough guy complex from going against them all the time. You can cover a guy all day long, get beat once, and all of a sudden he’s the next Jerry Rice and you are trash.
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Jan 27, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
And your creator can only give you so many good attributes.
CBs are probably the most physically gifted people on earth…meaning some of them might be dummies.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
Jason Sehorn is as dumb as a box of rocks.
Only racists will view it as racist.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
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I'm just saying
someone could easily take it that way
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
C'mon. Let's not do this.
I made absolutely no mention of race. You pulled that into it.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I'm not saying i think it's racist
i’m just saying that someone (not me, someone is is probably overly sensitive or looks for reasons to be offended) could see it that way.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Let's do me...
Umm…I’m not good looking but at least I’m an idiot.
Wait…
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
As a black guy I appreciate your racial sensitivity, but thats not really racist. Those guys are just boneheads.
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Jan 27, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
again
I dont think it is racist, but i know some people who would
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
well then those people are dumb :\
it’s not racist.
better get 'em now!
by scatterbrain on Jan 27, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Have you told those people that they are racist?
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by jdough on Jan 27, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm... they are uniquely physically gifted
Its amazing how quickly they can react to follow a WR when both of them are running at full speed or how they can close on a WR from a distance so quickly while the ball is in the air.
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Jan 27, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
And you have to be able to tackle, too--which requires a whole different set of physical skills.
Unless you are Deion or Asomugha or A. Samuel.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
Yes he is.
It’s not the he can’t tackle. Its an effort thing.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I feel like BAMF could get either of those guys straight… Kirkpatrick in the 1st and Jenkins in the 2nd that would be a crazy good draft
by rscott94 on Jan 27, 2012 3:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would probably go streaking with a Panthers hat on if that happened. Dre K can play FS and definitely be a big upgrade over Martin. Jenkins is just what we need on the opposite side of Gamble. Our secondary would give Qb’s nightmares.
Hadn’t thought of it that way. Intriguing idea, and that would make a monster secondary. I’m just not 100% sold on Jenkins being stable, maybe my opinion will change by draft day.
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Jan 27, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think (see: hope) that a full offseason under BAMF will help our safety play
I think both Martin and Godfrey possess all the skills needed to play safety, they just need to learn discipline. I’m hopeful that someone will sit both of them down this offseason and do two things:
1. Teach them how to tackle properly. This means understanding how to wrap rather than going for the killshot every time.
2. Help them understand better angles. I know some of this comes from having good awareness, but I think both have a high enough football IQ to be good safeties, given some proper teaching.
I would go so far as to say...
Martin should be informed that he is allowed to tackle people. It seems as though he doesn’t realize that he can.
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I believe Jenkins is better than Kirkpatrick.
If not for Jenkins questionable history, it would be a toss up between he and Claiborne for first CB taken.
by Derek Leazer on Jan 27, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Both are immense talents, capable of becoming impact players in the secondary.
Attach either one to the hip of Gamble or Beason, and let their teammates help keep them out of trouble.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 27, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions
I have doubts about their maturity.
Particularly Kirkpatrick. I mean, the kids got tens of millions of dollars on the line, and he can’t keep his shit clean for four months? If it was his friends stuff and he didn’t know about it then that’s one thing, but I’m not sure that’s ever the case.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
You never know who had the Drugs in that situation. Since they were all in the vehicle, they were each charged with possession. It happened to me before and it sucks.
With the leadership on our roster it will definitely have an effect on players like Jenkins and Dre K. I also want to see what Hogan has in store, because he showed flashes of a skilled corner especially the play on Walters in the Texans game. He may be more than a nickel corner.
Our coaching staff has some tough decisions to make this off-season.
Hogan reminds me of a harder hitting Ladarius Webb.
That is a monster complement.
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They should just do the right thing and make weed legal already...
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 27, 2012 4:13 PM EST reply actions
I dont see that hapening for awhile
From a person who has never smoked a day in his life.. I have no problem with it though. I watched a documentary in class that said the marijuana industry makes anywhere from 15-100 billion dollars thats alot of fucking money that could be going to the goverment/economey
Forget the guvment.
Think of the jobs it would create for farmers and such. Then weed wouldn’t need to be brought in from outside the country.
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I don't like Jenkins as a player
But that’s not why I chose the 2nd option. I don’t like how he went off at the coaches when he got kicked out of UF. Shows a lot of immaturity and we don’t need that on the team
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if Kirkpatrick runs a 4.45 or low i'll take him at 8/9 without hesitation
if it’s less than that i still probably would. This draft is LOADED with CBs. I think we are bound to get 1. If Jenkins was in the 2nd than it’s a no brainer for me (unless we took Kirk in the 1st) but i highly doubt he will be there.
I think we have enough leadership and positive role models on the team to counteract act and problem makers. Everyone who has every met JR respects him immensely. Guys like Beason, Davis, Smith, etc would set guys straight. and of course we have the BAMF who commands respect from his players.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Myself Im a little more interested in his shuttle
as changing direction and maintaining speed is really the name of the game for corners imo.
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 27, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I love almost everything about his game
he can tackle, make plays on the ball, have good coverage and press skills. My only concern is his straight line speed. I’m not sure if he will have a hard time keeping up with NFL WRs. As long as it’s under a 4.5 I can live with it
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
If you liked him in the first... then you'll love him in the 2nd. That would rock!
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I know we have guys who would set guys straight
But some people just cannot be set straight. I understand your point, but I don’t think all character issues can be offset simply by having high integrity guys and leadership around.
not all
TO is a lost cause but i dont think these guys are too bad
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Thanks for the front page guys!
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Jan 27, 2012 4:22 PM EST reply actions
Thank you for taking advantage of a slow news day writing the quality article.
(just kidding)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
After the way Jenkins practiced at the Senior Bowl I think there is no way he drops to the second round. They said he looked really good in in the practices.
by JStewart28 on Jan 27, 2012 6:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
T.O. , Randy Moss, Albert Haynesworth, Chad Ochowhatever, Dasaun Jackson, and Vince Young
combined zero Superbowl rings
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 27, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions
that being said..
I dont really think a college kid getting caught with a little pot screams that he has character issues.
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 27, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
A kid getting caught with pot might not necessarily be a character issue
However, a kid who is four months from an event which; during the lead up to will be under intense scrutiny – and where any and every screw up could potentially cost him millions of dollars – this at least shows a lack of maturity (or intelligence). This could also be interpreted as character issues.
But if the NFL is continually suspending him for weed, it defeats the purpose of drafting him.
I don’t view these as character issues, just liability. Babysitting grown men doesn’t work. Getting caught with weed before being drafted is a huge liability. Most on here agree that Jeff Otah is an injury liability, now some of you want to drop a #1 on a drug suspension liability?
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i think ur reading into it to much
it was a 1 time event and we have no reason to believe it is a habit. Also weed isnt that big of a deal. He will be under closer watch and less likely to do it in the NFL and even if he does get caught it’s not like he will be suspended for a year or have it constantly happen.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
Please let me know where you are getting crystal ball info from! ;)
You are really putting yourself out there for this guy by vouching for him with past and future events that you would have no idea about.
FYI… if he gets caught once it’ll be a 4-game suspension. 2nd offense will be 1-year.
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I dont think i'm the one predicting the future
you are assuming that this is something he does regularly just because he did one time. Most athletes have smoked weed at some point. it is also likely that this incident scares him away from ever doing it again
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No pcr pay attention to what I said.
You have made a claim that you or anyone else couldn’t possibly know, and that is the future. I have made the claim that this is a drug suspension liability. I’m saying that he has a higher risk and teams may take that into account and pass him over in the draft. I am not assuming that this is something he does regularly.
Before you reply back to someone, make sure you aren’t making up imaginary comments that they have said to argue with them. Stick to facts, not fantasy.
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by jdough on Jan 29, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Before you reply back to someone, make sure you aren’t making up imaginary comments that they have said to argue with them. Stick to facts, not fantasy.
I’m still trying to figure out how i was predicting the future
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Here is a breakdown
He will be under closer watch and less likely to do it in the NFL and even if he does get caught it’s not like he will be suspended for a year or have it constantly happen.
This statement was what I originally was referring to. The first part, “He will be under closer watch” is a possibility, but not a guarantee. Then, “and less likely to do it in the NFL” is a part that you have no way of knowing. Then, “even if he does get caught it’s not like he will be suspended for a year” is not really accurate because the 1st offense is 4 game suspension, 2nd is 1 year. Finally, “or have it constantly happen” is something you have know possible way of predicting, therefore you are predicting the future and that just isn’t possible. You are declaring that he will never do it again, of which no one would know that. Also, “it is also likely that this incident scares him away from ever doing it again”, another declaration of what he will do in the future. You just don’t know what will scare him or what he will do.
It was never my attempt to debate this with you or cause you frustration. I even dropped you a winking smiley face in my 1st response. My point is that he has an increased risk by drafting him in the 1st, because of the fact that he got caught with it. That in no way means that he will certainly do it again. The way I phrased it was more of a risk assessment statement.
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For the record, I still disagree about Cam.
The fact that he had matured by the time he was drafted does not mean that those “character concerns” were not valid. Specifically, the one that worried me was the cheating. First off, let’s not say that every college student cheats. That’s an inaccurate generalization, and a lot of people who worked hard in college shouldn’t be assumed to have cheated in the process. Secondly, cheating IS a character concern. Especially when it’s a reoccurring offense, and even more especially when it comes to a quarterback. QBs need to be prepared to put in immense amounts of work – maybe more than any other position in the four major sports. Showing a tendency to take the easy route (by repeatedly cheating) is certainly a red flag when it comes to evaluating that person’s work ethic. Sure, academics and football are different, and it’s possible that one could work hard at one and not the other. Hell, I worked my ass off at my engineering classes in college (my major) but certainly didn’t apply that level of effort to my gen eds. Still, it is concern.
All that aside (sorry, I had to get that out) I’m torn on Kirkpatrick. By itself, being caught with weed isn’t really that big of a deal. Whether we like it or not, a fairly sizable portion of our country engages in that behavior regularly. And while I personally don’t partake in it, I fail to see much difference between smoking week and drinking alcohol (which I do partake in regularly). If anything, there’s probably some good reason that it is less of a hazard than drinking. However, it’s his failure to be aware of his situation that bothers me.
Let me give you an example. I majored in engineering in college. I knew that the field that I wanted to go into required background checks and security clearances – and therefore connections to drug use would be very unfavorable to me in my job search. As such, I made damn sure during my latter years in college to stay clear of it. I made sure that there was no way I would be caught with anything in my system (meaning I avoided being around friends when they chose to use marijuana) and that I wouldn’t be in a situation to get any possession charges (made sure that no one ever had any on them in my car or apartment).
If I had been caught in those situations, it certainly wouldn’t have been the end of the world. I may have needed to change fields slightly, or take a lower starting salary,or maybe just take longer to find a job. By contrast, Kirk is in a situation where every draft slot he slips could cost him millions of dollars. His failure to be aware of the consequences of this concerns me a little bit*. Maybe it isn’t a huge deal, but if I was in a situation to pick between him, and a similar talent who hasn’t shown that lack of awareness, I think I’d avoid him. That being said, it wouldn’t be something that would make me take him off my board entirely, but it would worry me. I think team interviews will be key for him. If he owns up to his mistake, seems to have learned from it, or it seems like this was a one-time-only lapse in judgement then ok. But if he continues to show a lack of awareness, then it certainly could be a deterrent.
As for Jarvis, I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole, but that’s just me. His red flags are huge right now, and I personally wouldn’t trust him to have matured as much as is needed this quickly. I know he is an elite talent, but personally I think there is too much baggage with him. Some people will disagree and look for value in a second, third (or maybe even fourth?) round pick. But personally, if it were me drafting, I would want nothing to do with it.
So, to summarize: I do care a lot (maybe more than the average fan) about character concerns. But with that being said, I would be ok with Dre, but not so much with Jarvis Jenkins. Sorry for the lengthy post, but hopefully it stimulates some discussion. I welcome anyone’s opinions on my post, as I’m sure there will be many who disagree.
*Someone mentioned that everyone in his car was charged with possession, and that it isn’t clear that he was the one in possession. If it turns out that he was not carrying and was unaware that others were then I withdrawal my concerns about Dre.
Nice writeup. I share your logic about self-awareness when a huge opportunity exists.
It’s Janoris Jenkins.
If Hogan dropped to the 4th, I would expect a similar drop for Jenkins.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, Jenkins was...
clean while at North Alabama, right? If so, maybe he’s matured. I know this: the kid will be viewed as good as Claiborne, or better, when the combine concludes February. Just wait and see.
by Derek Leazer on Jan 27, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see any black marks against him at N. AL
But, to me at least, one year is too short to remove my concerns. It is certainly possible that he grew up. I just don’t think I can disregard the number of issues he had based on one half one year with a clean slate.
I probably wouldn't pick either Jenkins or Kirkpatrick in the 1st.
But, if they both somehow fell to our spot in the 2nd(which they won’t), I’m taking Jenkins, based purely on skill level at that point.
by Derek Leazer on Jan 28, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
For the record
I would be ok with taking Dre in the first. I probably wouldn’t be ok with taking Jenkins anywhere.
Clarification, and an admission of an error
Sorry, I referred to ‘Janoris Jenkins’ as ‘Jarvis’ in this post. Sorry for the error. I’ll blame it on a few drinks, but it’s no excuse. This is one of those times where I really wish I could edit my posts (and wish that I had proofread better).
Appreciate your input ppfcpp
Really the opinions I wrote above about Dre K are similar to what you have. The weed in itself is not a big deal, but he is in a different category of responsibility from the average guy. Similar to what you stated for yourself, knowing that it would make it difficult for you in your profession. I myself was a pharmacy major, and catching a drug charge as a pharmacist can have severe ramifications on you even being able to be licensed to practice the profession. So though many of my associates smoked heavily, it was something I made a conscious effort to abstain from. Those guys have went on to become successful in their respective professions (ie-architecture, computer programming, and even other pharmacists). So obviously it has little effect on the person, just the consequences can mean different things for different people. You have to hope one would be circumspect enough to understand that. The interviews will be crucial for Kirpatrick, and as of now, I don’t want Jenkins at all (though I would be willing to change this).
As far as cheating is concerned, I did not say everybody cheated. I think too big of a generalization is being made to say that if you cut corners in class, you will cut corners on the football field. Maybe he cut corners in class because of the effort needed on the football side of things. There are different levels of cheating. It if was a regular constant thing on every test and assignment, then I would be very concerned. If its just a homework assignments or a test question or two in advance, its not that big of a deal to me when you consider the overall amount of time a major college QB must put into the football.
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Jan 28, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Character issues don't concern me
Smitty punched a teammate and no one thought twice about it. Looking back, problems with drugs and alcohol seem to be the major contributors to being bounced off the team. However, it seems the staff is willing to give these guys a chance regardless of their mustakes prior to the draft. I think what counts is what happens the moment they put on that Panther uniform.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 28, 2012 12:39 AM EST reply actions
Interesting comparison of 2 different kinds of "character concerns."
Were I a GM/HC, I’d rather have to deal with anger management issues in my players, than with the need to mellow out, while ignoring a defined banned substance.
In a way, both show a lack of self-control, but I’m just choosing my poison.
Strong competitive personalities are almost necessary to be successful as a pro-football player. Sometimes that spills over. I agree, I think it is much easier to plan and deal with that in advance for certain high-spirited guys.
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Jan 28, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I buy it. I think...
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 28, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Nice link...you should at least FanShot this for everybody else...
It sounds like he has figured out that changes must be made, and totally staying away when others are smoking weed is a big step. I am starting to be more open to taking him (seeing some more of his play has helped too).
"You know the new iPhone? It’s faster, more powerful and smarter. It’s revolutionary. Why can’t the quarterback be like that? Why can’t you be a big, tall, fast, quick, strong, smart, mobile quarterback who’s unstoppable?"
-Cam Newton
by carolinapillpusher on Jan 30, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions

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