Rivera Confirms Search for a Back-up QB More Like Cam
Hat tip to James Dator for correcting calling the Panthers need for a back-up QB with a skill set more like Cams. HC Ron Rivera confirmed that in an interview at the Senior Bowl practice:
"You have to look at it in those terms and say, 'How much does the offense change if (Newton) is in or if he's not in?' " Panthers coach Ron Rivera said at a Senior Bowl practice this week. "It's one of those things that you're going to discuss and talk about as we go forward."
James made this exact point in his post and as it turns out zeroed in on a player they are evaluating this week:
"You want a skill-set that somewhat resembles your starting QB in order to switch players as needed, but not experience a major drop-off in production."
That obviously isn't Jimmy Clausen who i don't expect to last long in the Panther roster once March rolls around. So the Panthers have a 3rd QB spot to fill and could very well see a QB in the 6th or 7th round that fits the bill, like say former NC State QB Russell Wilson. Wilson didn't appear hesitant about being a back-up to Cam Newton:
"Every opportunity you get, no matter if you're the starter or the backup, you're always competing against another guy that's on your team," Wilson said. "But you're also competing against other quarterbacks across the NFL. And my goal is to be one of the great ones one day."
Outside the height issue (which is why he would be available for such a low price) Wilson looks like a good compliment to Newton. He always played well when I watched him play.
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If I we're Marty
I would let DA walk and make some sort of an effort to get Dennis Dixon.
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
*Was Marty
That was some pretty lackluster grammar.
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
I think he would be the closest thing we could find to Cam
Plus he has some experience, and has had some success. He’d be my target.
"What do you want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
No he is not the closest thing
That is Logan Thomas. Dixon is much smaller and is not the same skill of passer
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Jan 26, 2012 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*style
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Jan 26, 2012 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope he stick around for his senior year
We really need him here in Virginia right now. BUT it would be awesome to see my College team QB get drafted by my Pro team
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
Blehhh
I think Anderson is plenty fine for now, we need to use our draft picks for more immediate needs. If we’re that concerned over getting a “Cam light”, then we ought to go after Dennis Dixon
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Newton is unique.
Having to drop the option plays from the playbook isn’t a big thing if the backup can throw the ball accurately. Handing the ball off to Williams and Stewart more wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Obviously you’d like someone with Newton’s escapability too (cos the O-line isn’t that good), but again that’s difficult to find.
I don’t like Wilson as a prospect, so I can’t get on this bandwagon.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
our oline is still plenty good top five if all guys are there you dont finish so well in passing and rushing with a bad oline
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 26, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's average.
It’s also why I’m so effusive with my Newton praise – he makes everyone around him better.
His mobility and size means that he’s very difficult to sack and it also means that teams spy him in the running game. That has a massive knock on effect with regard to the passing and running game.
I obviously really like Clausen, but he’s only going to be as good as the O-line. The play last year WAS the standard of our O-line, Newton just makes them look better than they actually are.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
almost all the nfl guys think we have a top 5
and so even say top 3 oline in the nfl.
Nah, trade him for tebow... have a back up plan for RG3
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Actually, Jimmy should start. Trade Cam for Tebow. And draft a punter with the first pick.
by runningblack on Jan 26, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
isnt wilson comparable to ae coming out of college?
Jimmy gots loads of escapability…. Urgh no point in arguing this issue anymore, the artist formally known as doughboy is going to get released. I hope he gets a shot somewhere else.
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by LimeyPanther on Jan 26, 2012 8:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wilson is much better then ae
His efficiency rating last year was phenominal and he played a fbs schedule to get it. Ae only gets this much heat because he was taken essentially with a second pick if he was a fourth or fifth rounder he wouldnt be so scrutinized. If Wilson is still around come fourth round I would take him your not usually filling a real important need there.
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 26, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, AE had a very high passer efficiency rating as well.
I acknowledge your point about the level of competition, just don’t think there is much difference between Wilson or AE.
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Russell set the record for passing efficiency in a season
and set an NCAA record with 38 straight games with a passing td…I think that Russell is a bit better than AE even though AE had a remarkable collegiate career.
Escapability? For a guy that plays as scarred as he does he should be 10 times better at that
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by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 26, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
nah he's from the david carr school of escapability
Rabbit with a bad case of miximatosis watching a truck head his way….. And splat jimmeh is sacked. I forgot to use the sarcasm font on my previous post
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by LimeyPanther on Jan 26, 2012 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Wilson is going to do much in NFL
I think he is like Troy Smith as far as potential goes. On top of that, i don’t think he loves football as much as a draft pick should, he can always switch gears and play baseball.
He definitely loves football.
He was drafted by the Rockies and turned it down to enter the NFL draft.
Bearing in mind the beating an NFL player gets in comparison to a MLB player – yeah I’d say he loves football. He just doesn’t have the body to play QB.
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Its good stuff when you need something to put you to sleep
Set TV to 30 min sleep timer and you’re guaranteed to fall asleep 2 hrs early when needed.
Scared?
The guy took a ton of licks last year and kept on getting up to face the music.
He doesn’t hold onto the ball when options aren’t there (or he’s missed his reads), but that’s a positive not a negative. He knows he’s a sitting duck back there – he can’t take off like Newton can and extend the play. That’s just playing within your limits.
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Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!
Escape-ability? Jimmy Clausen? Now THAT is a good one.
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Darren Thomas in the late rounds or Dennis DIxon
I think we need a QB who can run the offemse if Cam goes down so we dont have to change the entire offense for DA
2 Great Picks TSB, & You Can Add ECU's Dominique Davis As Well, Wilson Is Cam's "Mini Me"
Here are Cam’s measurements, along with the 4 QB’s mentioned.
Name – Height – Weight – 40 Speed
Cam Newton – 6-5 – 248 – 4.59-40
Dennis Dixon – 6-3 1/4 – 195 (now 209) – 4.58 Pro Day 40 & 4.53 “unoffical” Combine 40
Darron Thomas – 6-3 – 215 – 4.58-40 projection
Dominique Davis – 6-3 – 212 – 4.65-40 projection
Russell Wilson – 5-10 5/8 – 203 – 4.59 projection
Russell Wilson is Cam Newton’s very “Mini Me”, over 4 inches shorter than any of the other QB’s, over 4 inches shorter than any of the other QB’s mentioned.
Dixon has 4 years of backup QB experience in the NFL, and is probably Anderson’s equal in ability, but he want’s to be a starter. He might even be cheaper than re-signing Anderson.
Thomas has a strong arm, runs fast, and has lead his team to the BCS Championship Game (lost to Cam), but has some question about his accuracy.
Davis transfered from BCS Boston College to East Carolina, throws and runs well, but is a little up and down.
Wilson is shorter than any NFL QB since Doug Flutie, and his 70%+ completion percentage at Wisconsin is a result of their offensive system (their last starting QB, maybe the last 2, were also over 70% completions).
www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
www.walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012.php
also my personal Combine notes
by PanthersRoar on Jan 26, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I never thought about Davis
I think we could pick him up as an undrafted FA. Maybe stash him on the PS for a year. I have always been a big fan of Thomas so he is my pick but any of the four would be good.
For Anyone Interested In How Armanti Edwards Mesurements Compare To Russell Wilson's
Armanti Edwards – 5-10 7/8 – 187 – 32 1/4 inch arms – 9 1/2 inch hands – 4.41 to 4.44 Pro Day 40 time
Russell Wilson – 5-10 5/8 – 203 – 31 3/4 inch arms – 10 inch hand – 4.59 projected 40 time
www.walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012.php
www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Also my personal 2010 Combine personal notes
by PanthersRoar on Jan 26, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
This is my point exactly.
Why draft this guy when there is already someone equal or better on the roster?
The only problem is that AE has been training to do everything but QB for the last 2 years, so making him a primary backup means dropping all that.
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I love Dom Davis
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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Jan 26, 2012 11:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wilson is a product of
that beast O line that Wisconsin had.
then what was he a product of last year playing for nc state? anytime u have aqb with something like 300+ passes w/o an int its something the qb is doing well. not that he is perfect but..... i dont see many problems other than height.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Jan 27, 2012 12:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
no, he was playing incredible with no oline in front of him at NC State
and no running game. He carried state for 3 years…its just that when some actual talent was put around him he really shined in the national spotlight
I Checked A Little Deeper & Found 4 More Possible Backup QB Options
Free Agents:
Vince Young (6-5, 229, 4.48-40), he probably want’s too much money, but he may not get it.
Josh Johnson (6-3, 213, 4.53-40), but rumor is he want’s to go to the 49ers.
Adam Froman (6-4, 220, 4.54-40 Pro Day) cut by the Falcons as an undrafted rookie, he doesn’t run as much as you would think with his speed. In 2010 he completed 60.5%, with 11 TD’s, and 4 ints.
Jarrett Brown (6-3, 224, 4.50-40) he hasn’t make it in the NFL in 2 years, a strong arm, but not much accuracy.
by PanthersRoar on Jan 27, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
What ever happened to Pat White?
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CAM....CAAAAAAAAM
by CamNewtonSBMVP on Feb 1, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Johnson
Should be cheap enough and I like his size and skills for a back up.
David Garrard is also available but probably would cost too much and want to start.
He's most likely going to go to the 49ers
Jim Harbaugh was his coach in college where he was pretty productive
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by CamNewtonSBMVP on Feb 1, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt Wilson falls to us
But it would be awesome to obtain a QB similar to Cam.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 26, 2012 8:25 PM EST reply actions
Is it just me??
But I think the off-season[team a a whole/of-course] has been much more interesting since RR walked in! I have a strange feeling we might get some quality players. but who knows….cam was the best from last year! id say the thomas williams was a good find also
haha
look at the pics of Cam at the pro bowl practice……lol……he has his shorts up to his chest lmao!!
The guy just loves what he does… and I love that he loves that.
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he loves what he does
and you love that he loves what he does, and he loves that you love what he does, and you love that he loves that you love what he does. (Kind of a rip off form a song in that movie Chicago)
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We should totally sign Jamarcus Russell.
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by LimeyPanther on Jan 26, 2012 11:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's mobile, right? I mean he's black, he must be.
by runningblack on Jan 26, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't understand all the Dennis Dixon love.
If Dixon could be trusted on the field, he would have gotten starts over the 56 year old, Charlie Batch. To me, Joe Webb or Josh Johnson are better fits than Dixon if we’re talking current NFL players. Actually, I like Webb alot.
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Wilson Period
Anybody who meets Russell Wilson will come away being impressed. There is no doubt he blows them away in the interview setting. On the field he is Cam Newton with a slightly less powerful arm and less height. Other than taht, they share the same skill set. I think Russell may throw underneath better than Cam and his ability to grasp an offense is now legendary. He’s mature, a pro and all-around good citizen. In short, he’s son-in-law material. (except he just married)
This is my guy. His numbers jump off the page at you. NCAA records of 379 consecutive passes w/out and int, 38 consecutive games with a TD, 73% completions this year and the #1 all-time passer rating of 191.78.(Andrew Luck was @ 169.68)
Russell May be off the board before we think, so I’d grab him in a heart beat. There are others I like as well, like Tanneyhill and Geno Smith, but again, Wilson is my guy.
I hear ya man
I mean think about the fact that he has never been able to participate in spring practice because he was always busy carrying State’s baseball team or with the Rockies minor league team. And despite this he still have all time great production…
If it aint broke dont fix it
We should solidy the O/D Lines IOT first. Get a QB comparable to CAM later when the situation presents itself dont force it. Darron Thomas(not a standard player) will be available later, needs alot of grooming. He will be an excellent 2 or 3 QB.
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by Carolina_Blue_Sky on Jan 27, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be surprised if he's still around in the 6th or 7th round, honestly.
I get the feeling a lot of teams are purposefully undervaluing him in hopes he sticks around, but I think he goes quicker than people thing. Size might be an issue, but as far as football intelligence he’s as good as any QB in the draft, except for Luck, maybe.
I prefer Serious Business as a backup in this point of Cam's career
Picking up a rookie in Cam’s 2nd year when he could still use some guidance from another QB is a mistake, in my opinion. Re-visit it in 3 years when Cam is the hardened veteran. I hope this is a smokescreen.
I think Anderson sticks around
No reason not to. But at the same time that doesn’t me we don’t bring in a different 3rd stringer and give Clausen a chance to find a home somewhere else.
I wouldn't e opposed to Armanti being the back up QB.
Screw the failed attempt to change him into something else. He would probably be a lot more mobile now than he was with all his running practice the past 2 years. If you can throw a ball, I don’t think you lose the ability in 2 years, he would probably just need a couple months practice to knock the dust off. His height is the only concern, but he managed with his height in college. That would save a draft pick for an immediate need.
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+1!
Russell Wilson is a great QB but his skillset, height and build are really no different than AE. They certainly are more similiar than different. Why draft what you already have?
Admittedly, I am an ASU alum and luv me some AE. Because of this, I watched him play a lot in college. He was phenomenal, electric and a leader. You don’t win the MVP of anything unless your special. He did it twice. 2 National Championships. He’s got a great arm and rarely did his passes get knocked down at the LOS. I’ve believed from the moment he was drafted that he should be given a chance at QB.
The conversion project to KR/WR is progressing and AE could become a solid player at that position. However, his highest and best use is at the QB position. He’s very familiar with the spread and moreover very familiar with Chud’s offense. If Russell Wilson is being considered for this job, logically so should AE.
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I say keep DA and AE
Bolstering the line and filling in needs on defense are more important than getting another backup QB. I think keeping DA has a benefit with him knowing the system well and being able to continue assisting Cam next year. I think we could cut our losses and get whatever we can for Clausen and then have AE be the 3rd string/Emergency QB until a situation presents itself with injuries (knock on wood) in which we need to go after someone else.
Side note: I would take Joe Webb over all of the other guys mentioned hands down.
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If possible snatch Darron Thomas and use him as a back up to CAM. He is an agile 6’3; mobile QB. If Carolina is winning, I say throw Thomas in to get his feet wet. Trade Nanee, Armanti Edwards and Clausen. Keep Derek Anderson as a mentor. The locker room will keep Thomas from getting into any off the field issues. Plus up the offensive and defensive lines. WR is not a major concern
I'm not sure if Naanee is under contract for 2012.
If he is, and we could trade him, I’m not sure he has much value…I mean, he was still available a week or to into camp last year.
Not sure AE or Clausen have much trade value either.
I do like Thomas.
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