Senior Bowl Weigh-In Panther Prospect Notes
by Jaxon on Jan 24, 2012 8:30 AM EST
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PrintMan I love this modern age we live in! We've got notes from the Sr. Bowl weigh in ... Why do I find these things interesting? maybe I'm a draft junkie?
The guy in this game most likely to be first off the board in April and solid Panther 1st round prospect:
North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples is likely to be the first player participating this week to be selected come April’s draft. Coples had a disappointing senior season, but he is said to have all the physical tools and they were obvious to see on Monday. Coples was measured to be just under 6-6 and he weighed in at 281 pounds. Because the South team doesn’t have any standout tackle prospects, Coples will be expected to dominate in practice. Anything less will be an extreme disappointment for a potential top-10 pick.
The fact most of us are not very high on Coples will probably mean Hurney and Rivera will openly love him after the combine (smokescreen of course). Moving on to a couple LB prospects that might be involved in a trade back scenario:
Zach Brown weighed in at 6-1, 236, and looked the part of the athletic linebacker he’s purported to be. The question on Brown, supposedly, is his tackling ability, and he’ll be tested in practice. Another linebacker who impressed before practice began was Sean Spence of Miami (FL.).Spence, 5-11, 228, was overheard to be described as "rock hard" and is a stout tackler. He likely projects as a WILL linebacker.
Spence is a 2-3 round prospect that I wouldn't rule out just because of his size. I've seen both these guys play multiple times and they are players, they hit and they cover the field. I'd love to have either one, Brown in the 2nd or Spence in the 4th.
Are you hoping for a Panther trade back? There's another potential catalyst that might entice a team to trade up, a QB of course that I will discuss ...after the jump...
Arizona QB Nick Foles is the #4 QB on the CBS Sports Board who could rise up in a hurry with a big game this weekend:
The quarterback picture will be very intriguing this week. Nick Foles of Arizona is one of three quarterbacks in the mix to be the third quarterback selected come April behind Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Texas A&M’s Ryan Tannehill pulled out of the Senior Bowl with an injury and Arizona State’s Brock Orsweiler is a early entrant as a junior with a big arm, but the focus will be on Foles this week. Foles measured in at exactly 6-5, 244, and also had the biggest hands of the six quarterbacks in Mobile (10 3/4 "). Foles played behind a suspect offensive line in college so he’ll have an opportunity to showcase his arm strength and accuracy in practice this week
Since its a given RG3 will be gone before 8-9 Foles might instead be the QB sitting there a team decided to go after. Both the Chiefs and the Seahawks shoudl want a QB like Foles. Whoever loses that coint toss for the #11 spot may give the Panthers a 2nd rounder to move up over the other.
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I'll be extremely surprised if Brown lasts past 20, and at that I fully expect him to be gone by 15...
He’s got all the tangibles to be an all-pro OLB (read somewhere yesterday he runs a 4.40! I didn’t realize he was that fast), and judging by the eye test I don’t recall him having issues tackling people.
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Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.41.
Projected Round (2012): 1.
12/26/11: Brown has made the case as to be considered the top 4-3 outside linebacker in the nation this season. He has consistently produced splash plays while also being a solid tackler. Brown had massive games against Rutgers, North Carolina State, Wake Forest and Louisville. For the year, he has 91 tackles with 11.5 tackles for a loss, 5.5 sacks, four passes broken up, two interceptions and three forced fumbles.
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If we can trade back, I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Panthers Uni...
that is, of course, if we choose not to address our gaping need at DT lol
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He stands out as an athlete, but he doesn't pass the eyeball test as a football player.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Von Moller clone.
With maybe a little more coverage and little less pass rushing. But I agree. That UNC defense lacked a certain toughness…they weren’t grimy enough. I guess our defense wasn’t either.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I hope that's not a typo cos he doesn't remind me of Von Moller at all.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Size/Speed
Playing style, no, not really.
But he does have solid pass rushing skills for an OLB.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I think Brown was the best player on that defense
He hustled his ass off, played hard, physical and he is tremendously gifted athletically. He doesn’t possess the power of Miller but he’s an extremely effective blitzer.
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I guess that's why I made the comparison.
Can see him making big plays around the LOS.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I think our line was wayyyy overrated, and our backfield was less than stellar...
I thought Brown was one of the few consistent performers all year actually
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Ain't sure if I'm supposed to post this or not but Insider Access
North Carolina DE Quinton Coples
Coples had a somewhat pedestrian 2011 season given his talent and measurables, and plenty of scouts had questions about his motor and effort coming into Senior Bowl week. He needs a strong showing to lock down a spot in the top 10, and Coples got off on the right foot on Day 1. He was clearly the best player on the field during the South team practice. He made everything look easy, getting off the ball smoothly and showing quick hands, and it’s clear the game has slowed down for him. Coples beat Florida State OT Zebrie Sanders — a late-first-round prospect - cleanly on more than one occasion, and no other offensive tackle had a chance either. Coples’ most impressive move was a quick inside swim, and he clearly won five of the size one-on-one matchups he had during practice. He lined up inside and outside, and what we saw on Day 1 was more like the dominant player we saw on his junior film from 2010. If he keeps this up, Coples will cement a top-10 grade. Kevin Weidl
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Honestly i hope we stay away from in state prospects
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 24, 2012 9:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
It does make you wonder...
Do I like this guy because he plays for my team and I am familiar with him? Does that make him better than some kid from Nebraska that I haven’t had a chance to follow? It’s tough to not be partial.
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by Panthster on Jan 24, 2012 9:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
id prefer kids from schools with champions and championship contenders in championship conferences. Not saying there isn’t a gem in the ACC or even the Southern Conference but SEC has produced the last what 8 champions for a reason. Not to mention the difference in talent faced makes it hard to evaluate if a guy is that good or who he played was that bad. Just the crap shoot that is the NFL draft
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Makes sense
I don’t think the SEC put out that many good defensive linemen though. lately they all come from nebraska and the big10 or whatever it is called now. Seems like it anyways.
some schools have history. Like Penn State at LB. Im not saying ALL the talent is in the SEC. Im just saying id like us to look at guys from big time college football schools. UNC produces some great talent over the years but they also produce some duds. Id love to get a Dlineman or a CB to help boost the D but if we go safe and take a quality T or G i wont complain. I just want a blue chip player to add to the roster. Bust is not a option.
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
North Carolina is NOT SEC!
The Tar Heels play in the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Trust me, the SEC doesn't want to claim UNC either. :-)
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by Tomthehomer on Jan 24, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. :-)
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Sorry not so good at this
when he said he SEC produced champions that’s what I was talking about and meant when I said the SEC didn’t put out that many really good defensive linemen.
Jaxon, you may be a draft junkie, but you are our draft junkie!
I was wondering….do you think Hurney and BAMF would prefer Coples over DT such as Brockers or Still? I have this weird feeling if we go DE out the gate, that could signal a change in defensive scheme. Thoughts?
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 24, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions
That certainly falls in line with my thoughts
Regardless of who our first pick is, I am fairly sure I will like it.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 24, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ah Yes The South Carolina Fan
Not Carolina that’s in Chapel Hill
Not USC that’s in California.
A fan who lives vicariously through the accomplishments of his conference and not his schools.
Let’s observe him in his natural habitat a sports message board and watch him bask in the beating he gave ClemPson a feat that my Hokies could not accomplish twice. But still the little brother syndrome is there. Shall we poke the bear? Or in this case the Cock.
Jefferys is way overrated and a waste of a pick.
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by KissMyConverse on Jan 24, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions
My smartassness was foiled by my smart phone...
By not replying under reply. Curse you droid for making me less of a smart ass and more of a dick….
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by KissMyConverse on Jan 24, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'd prefer you poke your own Cock and leave mine alone kind sir.
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by BW Smith on Jan 24, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There should be no preference over players from championship teams
I mean this goes both ways, but championship teams are filled with talent. It’s easier if you have other players on the team taking the pressure off of you. Personally, I think if you’re still producing on a poor/average team when you have the extra attention of the opposition it says something about your skill and your motor.
by dsteele711 on Jan 24, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
joeperson
Munnerlyn said he’s sick of the talk Panthers need another CB, and doesn’t plan to give up his spot if Panthers draft one.
………come on Cap…….lets be real…….
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I'm fine with that attitude,
anyone still young who says they need to a replacement at their spot clearly isn’t striving to be the best he can be. I still think we need another CB and a CB who can take Captain’s spot, but I’m glad he doesn’t view it that way.
i understand his POV but he got beat on the regular. Teams ignored Gamble and thew directly over Cap. He is a Nickel in the NFL that is his ceiling at best. I understand him wanting to be a starter and having that mindset but after the year he had i dont see how the Panthers couldn’t bring in a CB to compete for the spot
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 24, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
That's the attitude I like to see
Hopefully this will give him extra motivation to improve this offseason. An improved Munnerlyn would be icing on the cake if we do take another CB. And if we don’t, maybe Cap’n will take his game to another level anyway and we’ll be fine.
Lol
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sean Spence...
What are everyone’s thoughts on Spence? I’m pretty intrigued about the guy, and the Panthers have had pretty good luck with linebackers from the U.
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I'd LOVE for us to draft spence
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 24, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
He is one of several guys I'm hoping for in the 2nd.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I think every team's fans want their team to draft Spence.
It is just who decides to take the chance first.
We've had pretty good luck because the U is a football factory.
As for Spence. Love him, but only as a WLB. We won’t draft him though.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Some draft gurus thought the last linebacker we drafted from the U was too short to play in the NFL as well,
but he worked out pretty well for. Spence is only an inch shorter than Beason. I would be cool with taking him in the second if the Panthers have him as their highest rated WLB prospect at that point. Personally I feel we need to go WLB in the second, unless somebody unexpected slipped to us there.
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by carolinapillpusher on Jan 24, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
We do have a good track record on U linebackers lol
God…how good could we have been with Morgan AND Beason (assuming Beast stayed at the will and continued honing his craft there) on the field? Such a shame Dan had the concussion issue; that super bowl performance was one of the gutsiest, balls-to-the-wall defensive performances I’ve seen in the post season!
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Yeah that would have been something special,
but I’m glad it still worked out pretty well for us. How fortunate it was that we got Beason at the right time to be able to slip him into Morgan’s spot. Ah, another warrior gone too soon. Beast gave Morgan a lot of credit as far as his development was concerned.
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by carolinapillpusher on Jan 24, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Ingram > Coples
I’d rather have the guy that is going to work hard and consistently performed against top competition. He can line up at OLB in a 3-4, DE in a 4-3, or DT on 3rd down. If we’re staying in a 3-4, we need more DE’s (see the Giants). Ingram just seemed to be in the backfield every play this year.
Also, Safety needs to be addressed in the 2nd round. Sherrod Martin has to go…
To counter, Coples can also play 3-4 DE, 4-3 DE, 3-4 OLB, or 4-3 DT.
I think that Coples is much more talented than Ingram, with a much higher ceiling.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with the higher ceiling
But my problem with him is his lack of a motor. Julius Peppers could get away with it as he was a once in a generation athlete, but Coples I’m not so sure about. Ingram on the other hand has WAY less bust potential. From what I heard from a friend who was on SC’s team a couple years ago, Ingram can bench press over 500 lbs. Kind of irrelevant but impressive. I put more stock though on guys play on the field and anybody with a questionable motor scares me too much (Vernon Goldson).
Ingram looks like an improved version of Lamar Woodley coming out of college…
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