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Are Off Field Concerns Still A Concern for the Carolina Panthers?

In the modern NFL it has become harder and harder to run a team based solely on principal, rather than taking a risk on at least one player with some character concerns. In the past we had at least a third of the league touting stout, no tolerance policies for players who engaged in infringing behavior which could be construed as detrimental to the team, or the league. This hard line approach was executed two-fold; firstly by suspending, cutting or trading players who brought detriment to the team, and secondly by removing players from the team's draft board based on evidence of misconduct at the collegiate level.

The Carolina Panthers had good reason to follow a strict policy for the better part of a decade. With national, shameful black marks against the team's name with Rae Carruth followed by the tragic death of Fred Lane, coupled with the ludicrous Top Cat scandal of 2005 it led to very strict adherence to an aforementioned two-fold policy that saw the Panthers avoiding players in the draft with bad histories, and quickly dealing with those who stepped outside acceptable behavior whilst on the team. What's not clear is who placed the onus on this policy. Some have pointed the finger at the Big Cat, but the truth is that he has almost nothing to do with football decisions, he leaves that up to GM Marty Hurney. Some have posited that it was a combination of Hurney and Fox working together that made this policy a reality. While John Fox was most definitely a player's coach, he abhorred drama and avoided conflict whenever possible; therefore, it would seem in line with his thinking that the Panthers would avoid players who could potentially rock the boat.

With Ron Rivera taking the helm as head coach things changed. While also very much a players coach, he brought a more authoritative, hard-line stance that was more open to conflict when necessary, with Rivera bringing military discipline to the team. The result was a first draft with two significant risks as relating to character, and one situation that arose during the season.

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Regardless of how Cam Newton won over the public in 2011, and did all the right things during the season there were significant character concerns leading up to his drafting, especially for a player the GM and new coach were willing to stake their future's on. Obviously they did the due diligence in vetting Newton and decided the laptop theft and cheating allegations were no longer indicative of the player who won the national championship and Heisman with Auburn, however there was always a chance they were wrong. While I choose not to give credence to the pay for play scandal simply because there isn't any evidence, the fact Cam had a stolen laptop in his possession while at Florida was a source of concern, but ultimately it was an example of a stupid, youthful mistake and one that the QB learnt from.

More recent were the character concerns of 4th round pick CB Brandon Hogan, who even in his final year at West Virginia was involved in some unsavory behavior. Regardless of what happened with his DUI charge the selection of Hogan tips the Panthers' hand in a curious way- Carolina never took him off their draft board. While some teams in the NFL were willing to pass on Hogan, the Panthers weren't and this could help us identify their methods for dealing with players now.

Lawrence Wilson had no noticeable issues coming out of UCONN, but a November 2nd traffic stop resulting in a marijuana possession charge caused the 6th round pick to be promptly cut by the Panthers. Regardless of how you feel about the infraction, what this indicated was that once a member of the Panthers there is no tolerance for this behavior. Some will cynically scoff that if Wilson was a star player he wouldn't have been met with such a stern response, but I like to think this is par for the course for the way the Panthers are currently being run.

Moving forward into the 2012 draft we can now see the rubric the Carolina Panthers follow- they will vet players with past indiscretions, and they're willing to draft players with such issues. However, should these problems manifest themselves once the player reaches the NFL they will be quickly dealt with. Keep this in mind as we approach the April draft and players are most closely scruitinized. Most recently this presented itself with talented CB Dre Kirkpatrick who was given a marijuana charge. Too many have suggested this alone would have removed the Alabama CB from the Panthers' draft board, but the truth is he's probably still very much in play for Carolina. Marty Hurney has openly preached a BPA, impact player plan for the 2012 draft and if Kirkpatrick fits the bill he'll be drafted, personal conduct problem or not.

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The panthers have certianly loosened the reigns a degree,

and I do not think Krikpatrick will be taken out of consideration because of his mistake. I do think that Rivera is proveing to be a tougher coach than Fox despite his willingness to take a chance.

just and off the wall question is Krikpatrick more of a bump and run or zone corner?

Great read James as always.

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by bigred28655 on Jan 24, 2012 7:54 AM EST reply actions  

Ty, the tackleing is my main concern.

Too many d-players could not even tackle the dummy much less a moveing target. Most seem to just luanch themselves in the air and hope for the best lol.

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by bigred28655 on Jan 24, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

James, if Cam got charged for posession of

the sweet, sweet chiba do you think he would’ve been cut? I highly doubt it.

BTW, if you can’t wait 5-10 years to catch a buzz as opposed to making millions of dollars then I have no sympathy for you.

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by Swamp Panther on Jan 24, 2012 8:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Character concerns have to be accounted for

Especially with 1st round picks and the investment made therein. I would say if a player is FAR AND ABOVE the best player at the position you are drafting and also fills a critical need, then character concerns become less important if you have done your due diligence and have convinced yourself that the risk is acceptable.

Cam Newton was that player. An athletic freak. A proven leader (no matter what Nolan “Fake Smile” Nawrocki and his ilk mistakenly reported). A winner at the most important position on the field. Verifiiable problems IN THE PAST with a record of having put those problems behind.

Dre Kirkpatrick? An excellent player but no better than several other players that will be available at that selection. Verifiable problems IN THE PRESENT with (as of yet) no record of having put those problems behind him.

Cam Newton bought a hot laptop as an 18 year old. I don’t think, at his salary, he’s going to be buying any more hot laptops in the future.

People who smoke reefer in general do it because they think its OK to do it. Think he’ll stop when he becomes a millionaire? I doubt it. He may decide to more safely use the illegal substance, but I highly doubt he stops. Ergo, considering the potential of a continued user, there will always be a risk. When will he be caught again and suspended.

Like I said, if he was far and above any other player that could be drafted at that point, you might want to take that risk. He’s not. Rather have Reiff, either of the Stanford OL, Hightower, Brockers… hell, I’d rather have Trent Richardson rather than Kirkpatrick.

by tiger7_88 on Jan 24, 2012 8:16 AM EST reply actions  

I'm inclined to agree here

I don’t think Kirkpatrick has that all-world talent that clears the air of past transgressions. To piggy back on what tiger said, when pot heads become millionaires, they will more likely start smoking more because they can afford the bankroll. They’ll also buy more to support their friends’ smoking.

All that said, I also don’t view pot smoking as a character flaw or red flag (as long as it’s on his own time). The problem is not being smart enough to not get caught. I prefer my players with some brain to go with the brawn.

by Beny on Jan 24, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Put me in the "agree" column.

As visions of “Rashard Anderson” dance in my head.
The linebacker BAMF cut was a free agent. Cutting a first round cornerback would be a different story, especially with the salary cap hit.
I don’t CARE if he does it “on his own time”. Drug testing is done on NFL TIME and will show results of drug use weeks past. This will cost the team use of the player months or as in the case of Anderson, years (!) in the future.
Pass on the drug using player.

by criolle on Jan 24, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you and Beny

I don’t care who smokes pot or when… EXCEPT when/if it ever comes down to an impact on the team. And the old “It wasn’t mine, it was a friends!” defense Kirkpatrick is already using already tells me he’s not ready to take responsibility for his actions, a la Calvin Johnson a few years ago (who admitted in his team interviews that he HAD used pot in the past but would no longer).

by tiger7_88 on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

There is speculation that more than 50% of the league smokes weed. That information (take it for what it’s worth) might affect the thinking as it pertains to your second to last paragraph.

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by ERL on Jan 24, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

not to sound like an ignoramous

but what was the Top Cat scandal of 2005?

by Beny on Jan 24, 2012 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds like we need a "where are they now" story for these cheerleaders...

That would be quite interesting! 7 years after the incident the former topcats cheerleaders need to be EXPOSED! Could be a great made for TV movie… Or a true girls gone wild feature for Panthers fans

by izzykee on Jan 24, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if the CSR staff can track the girls down and get their thoughts

What about it BW? Are you game? Maybe send the new guy.

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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 24, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

For some reason I don't think the wife will approve of that assignment.

I can see that one now….

“But honey, I’m only tracking down the two cheerleaders who got caught having sex with each other for research purposes. I swear.”

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by BW Smith on Jan 24, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by BW Smith on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I would volunteer for it but I'm in the same boat as you

Though my wife would lock me out of the house for even thinking it.

Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values

by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 24, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

On the most awesome cheerleader scandal EVER.

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by Tater596 on Jan 24, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Awe

wait for it….

SOME

what I’d give to have been a fly on that wall.
or the toilet in that stall

by Beny on Jan 24, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Even more awesome that it happened at Banana Joe's :-)

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by BW Smith on Jan 24, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Just the name.

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by BW Smith on Jan 24, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

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by Tater596 on Jan 24, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

whereyat whereyat

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by ERL on Jan 24, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually living in Tampa when it happened.

It was definitely a pretty wild story at the time. It actually caused me to go to Banana Joe’s the following week to see if it really was that wild there.

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by carolinapillpusher on Jan 24, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

a cheerleader AND a nurse!!!

This girl I like

Save us Pilares

by LimeyPanther on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow

it was about the closest thing to having ‘Girls Gone Wild’ in NC.

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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 24, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I stand corrected

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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 24, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Dre Kirkpatrick

I admit I may not be totally objective about this, being an Auburn fan, but to me it shows a certain amount of either arrogance or poor judgment/desire for instant gratification to be doing this in a car so soon after declaring for the draft and also being in the spotlight as part of a BCS NC team.

by Anne Curtis Davidson on Jan 24, 2012 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

Aqib Talib

Perfect example of the dangers in drafting a guy with character concerns. Then again, Raheem couldn’t put a leash on a poodle and keep it under control.

I do think Rivera’s BAMF no nonsense approach really helps the situation and can allow us to take up some troubled players who show signs of being impressionable young men who made some bad decisions rather than a leading rebel. I would not be opposed to Kirkpatrick, but boy wouldn’t it suck if he ended up like Talib, whose timing would coincide with the near-end of Gamble’s career due to age. It’d be the exact same situation Tampa is in right now, with grandpa Barber and Talib not likely to be back.

by ppalm on Jan 24, 2012 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

Good piece James

The one thing everyone can take from this, is every team is susceptible to players with off field concerns. Carolina has been lucky in recent years not to have an off field issue making national headlines. I don’t count the issues Newton was caught up in because all of that was when he was still in school. Look around the league. The Jets had to deal with Favre’s sexual harassment scandal, Roethlisberger allegedly raped two women, Browns receiver Donte Stallworth got drunk and then killed a man with his car and of course there was the Giants Plaxico Burress shooting himself in a nightclub. Compared to all of these events Carolina has been lucky. I think we are the only team with the dubious honor to have horny cheerleaders getting it on in public. If that event transpired anywhere else in the country that had a pro football team, no one would have thought twice about it.

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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

So it was in Tampa not NC

my bad…I was overseas at the time

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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, no

Do you not remember Rae Carruth?

I remember hearing about this when I got home from school. My friends and I were like, WTH.

by jrock20jones on Jan 24, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I could care less about him smokin weed

but I think it ain’t to bright of him. I mean if I had a chance at millions of bucks to play football??? That mess can wait till I retire. It don’ tmake him a bad person just says he’s got piss poor judgment, ya know? Stuff like this always makes me think what else people are doing if they get caught. Prolly ain’t fair but that’s what I always think.

by Geran on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Once you think about it, this works out on both teams.

For the Panthers, we have a hardline BAMF who’s brings a military background to this team. He’s not going to put up with any indiscipline, so you better not disobey or you’ll face the consequences!

For the Broncos, they have Jesus himself.

ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.

Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D

by Revshawn on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

Trade back...

Trade back and draft Dre K, we could use an additional 2nd round or 3rd pick in my opinion. From the great movie Friday… According to Smoky "Weed is from the Earth… God put dis here fa me and you! Take advantage Panthers… Take advantage!

by DeeCamz on Jan 24, 2012 6:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Haha

You are crazy. If that scenario could work out then I would be all in.

And over there in the tree, is a chipmunk nest. And that right there, is our corn, best in the city, it's delcious. And that is a crazy lady. So now you pretty much know what I do. Pretty dang exciting, huh?

by lazerlayell on Jan 25, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

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