Free Agency Presents Curious Opportunities For Panthers
by James Dator on Jan 22, 2012 8:01 PM EST
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PrintThe overarching plan for the Carolina Panthers will be to build their roster through the draft and retain their drafted talent, this much we already know. While this method may take a longer time to see results, ultimately it creates a sustainable and balanced organization. We have seen this from Green Bay, New England, Pittsburgh and Baltimore, all of whom have spent the better part of a decade in the playoffs due to the manor in which they have created teams with a 'next man up' mentality where there is always a player ready to step in and fill a gap when a player is lost to injury or free agency.
Even with this sound line of thinking there is a need to support the roster with talent brought in via free agency, and this is where the Panthers will need to be most careful during the 2012 off-season. There are big names set to hit the open market, and a variety of players at need positions who could be had for the right price. While Marty Hurney stresses the importance of making the right decision in the draft, it will be of equal import to ensure free agency is handled correctly. After the jump I'll look at the top three players to hit free agency at WR, CB, DT and S to see what pitfalls away in this year's FA class.
WR
There is no FA group more stacked than the receivers. The headliners are Dwayne Bowe, Mike Wallace and Wes Welker, however there are a cadre of other receivers like Mario Manningham, Vincent Jackson and DeSean Jackson all of whom will likely hit the open market.
With the Arizona Cardinals awarding Larry Fitzgerald a mammoth contract the way the WR position was viewed changed. Now elite #1 receivers are getting more money than ever, and this causes a trickle down effect throughout all players. New NFL draft rules make drafting a WR far more prudent than paying top dollar for one. Look no further than Sidney Rice's 5 year, $41 million deal as the cautionary tale for overpaying a WR in free agency. As much as I like Bowe, Wallace and Welker none will be worth the $50 million some team will be willing to throw their way.
DT
Unlike the WR group there's less overall talent from the defensive tackle position. At the top we have Calais Campbell, Paul Soliai and Kendall Langford, but in this free agency grouping we see a dominance from 3-4 players, rather than traditional 4-3 guys. Of the players left it's the Seahawks' Red Bryant who represents the best player for a 4-3, but at 28 years old you're looking at taking a significant financial risk on a player without too much left in the tank.
It's here where Marty Hurney and company will need to be their most careful. Need would facilitate a desire to get a DT no matter what, but the talent at the position from top to bottom is fairly weak. Desperation needs to be set aside, even if it means starting the same DTs in 2012 with the addition of Ron Edwards coming off injury. Personally, I wouldn't touch any of this DT class as it would be trying to fit mediocre over-priced square pegs into round holes.
CB
If you're in need of a cornerback and have deep pockets then this is the time to splurge on one. We saw madness ensue with Nnamdi Asomugha last season, and Jonathan Joseph was ludicrously overpaid even though he's a lockdown corner. This year we're likely to see huge contracts to the top three CBs on the market, Brandon Carr, Ladarius Webb and Cortland Finnegan. All three players are on the better side of 30, and corner tends to be a position players can maintain a high level of play at, provided they're technique based- like these three are.
Following these three there are still extremely talented corners like Brent Grimes, Carlos Rodgers and even (dare I say) Richard Marshall. However, with the continuing onus on passing in the modern NFL there will be a lot of money flying around these players. In the end I don't think the Panthers can play this game and will hold their money for now.
S
This is where I think it would behoove the Panthers to strike in FA. Unlike other positions there wasn't a bellwether to set the contract price last year. While Eric Weddle demanded a huge contract there's no Eric Weddle in this free agency group. There is, however, a large group of slightly flawed players with a lot of upside who the Panthers could gamble on with little true risk. The headliners are Michael Griffin, Tyvon Branch and Dashon Goldson, however it's former top-10 pick LaRon Landry who I'm most interested in.
The risk with Landry is that he's unable to stay healthy, as he's played less than 20 games in the last two years. However, if he's able to come back at play at a high level he is just the kind of hard hitting SS the Panthers need, which would enable Charles Godfrey to stay at his more natural FS position.
The overall outlook for this free agent class is one fraught with big risk and big money, but if the Carolina Panthers can navigate the positions correctly and not over extend themselves they will add valuable pieces to the team while not mortgaging the future. Unfortunately this front office aren't gifted at playing the FA market, but time will tell how this team is added to.
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I don't see a major FA signing by Carolina this off season
But I think they will look at some solid veterans to shore up holes especially in the secondary. If they are looking to find an effective starter to fill a need I’m sure it will be a young talent from the draft.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 22, 2012 8:30 PM EST reply actions
Laron Landry is a calculated risk the Panthers should take.
He is absolutely a game changer when he is healthy. Finnegan will be heading to St. Louis to team back up with Fisher. Rogers is on the wrong side of 30, Grimes will stay in Atl, and I don’t want Dick back, and I don’t think he wants to come back.
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by Lesbian Montgomery on Jan 22, 2012 8:53 PM EST reply actions
I'm hearing that the falcons are willing to let Brent Grimes test free agency. Grimes is a zone cb
, not a bump and run as Mike Nolan might install.
+1
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 22, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Im with on that
Man u took the words right out a brother mouth i want him on our team he reminds me of Mike Minter kinda player i say lets get John Abraham if we can get for a descent price
by KillerCam252 on Jan 23, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
We need a fundamentally sound safet in the worst way, someone who can tackle reliably
LaRon Landry truly fits that bill. Injury concerns aside, he is one hell of a player… I just hope it doesn’t turn out to be a Bob Sanders situation.
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Landry or Goldson
we have to go after one of these guys
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 22, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions
Rogers is playing like beast this year and probably will stay with San Fran
i cant see us shelling out on a big time free agent due to our cap situation (unless hurney can work his magic)
Offense
I know our Offense is good, but I cant help but think about steve smith and dwyane bowe on the same team!
Kansas City has a ton of cap room
Bowe is their 2nd best player on offense. I don’t see any way they let him walk.
I think with Landrys injury history
He could be had at a more reasonable price and may be a steal for us if we pursue him. We have a knack for being patient with good players that have injury risks given their dedication to the team. Landry may be nice. Otherwise I don’t see us shelling out the money for these other guys. I see a slower climb to our dynasty as opposed to the Philly and Was method of trying to buy a championship.
if you want a talented injury risk
go for Bob Sanders. Just make sure you dont give him any guaranteed money. Branch is my favorite S available but i dont know if we can afford him.
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
A guy who's been placed on season ending IR for 4 straight years?
I don’t know about that one.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
just dont give him any guaranteed money
if he gets hurt. no big deal, we get rid of him, if he doesnt, great
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
That would be ideal because he was a beast when he was on the field however...
we already have a couple of that type of players on the roster(Davis, Otah), I just don’t know if we would want to acquire more guys with tags of being know as “great players when HEALTHY”.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Agreed
If you’re going to make a move like that, better stay with what you have and save the money- as that’s who’ll end up playing the majority of snaps…
I do like Landry, definite upgrade, especially when you consider Godfrey sliding over- that’s plus, plus anyway you look at it…
I trust Hurney, but I question our ability to make moves
Seeing as how our cap situation won’t be that great this year.
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I agree
I think we can make a little noise if Hurnery can restructure a few deals but our hands are kind of full this season.
by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 22, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I thought
with the new salary cap structure, that some of the guaranteed money could be spread out creatively among different years. This allowed teams to apply more to a year that had more free cap space which would move the team upto the ceiling. in other words, I thought that Hurney had some wiggle room with our cap.
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by Panthster on Jan 23, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I believe you can.... truth is nobody knows what the cap room of any team looks like.... not even and maybe especially espn's pat. He thought we were at cap after every signing but we still kept signing
Im sure we are close but we could see some good fa’s just not a charles johnson type deal. Espn thinks the steelers tamer over cap with only 30 players signed…. I don’t buy that
by Josh Isitt on Jan 23, 2012 3:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Safety Position
Agree with thinking safety is the most acceptable place to spend any money the team has for free agency. Everyone else in this years free agency would just not be worth the amount of this teams money that they will be looking for. The only other free agents I could see us going for is another LB to help replenish the depth at that position. We most likely will loose Conner to another team and also I just don’t see Davis coming. It is time to move forward from his multiple injury situation.
If they can restructure Davis and let him at least compete why would they not bring a player of his caliber back?
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
I heard Jon Beason say on a WFNZ interview that Davis is approximately back to running a 4.5 40 yard dash.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Straight line speed is fine
Let’s see how that knee holds up when he has to make a cut.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 22, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Every time I think about Davis I feel bad for him.
One of the most talented guys in the league, if only that knee had held up.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Hopefully, third time's the charm in regards to his situation...
because he truly is very talented and would be awful to see his talent be wasted and be held back and suppressed by a couple of injuries.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
You mean 4th?
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 22, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Why would it be fourth if this is his 3rd tear? If he plays next season he'd be playing on a knee with 3 ACL tears.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
It'd be 4th
Healthy – tear – healthy – tear – healthy – tear – healthy
This would be his 4th attempt at playing while healthy
I wasn't referring to the number of attempts rather the number of tears as I clearly stated.
As you clearly took the time to thoroughly point out, this would be his third tear. Therefor meaning his third heal which I hope is the one to be considered “the charm”. I guess I should have clarified or been more specific.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Even so...
why would you count his healthiness before the first tear? The time that he was healthy before his first tear would not be counted as an attempt because he didn’t have anything to attempt. The attempts while being healthy start after the first tear not prior.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
I was just illustrating what BBA was saying
I understand what you were saying. Just depends on if you want to count his him playing before his first tear as his first “attempt” or if you’re only talking about his “attempts” after his ACL tears.
I was referring to the ACL tears but...
the attempts that should be considered are only the ones after his first injury because those are the only ones relevant. But either way, I wish him the best of luck and hopefully we’ll see a LB corps with Anderson, Beason, and Davis at the helm next year. That would be beastly however a backup for Davis might be warranted due to his history of injuries.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Yes, I agree
Whatever try you want to call this, let’s hope it’s a successful one. We’ll have the best 4-3 LB corps in the league if everyone stays healthy.
Whether you want to consider it fine or not, that's pretty amazing for a guy with 3 consecutice ACL tears.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
*consecutive
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
hopefully he can get it back into the 4.4s
a 4.5 is still really fast for a LB anway
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
?
Can you play in the NFL with a knee brace? If so that would really help. I am guessing no, since I don’t remember seeing any. They really help my knee.
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by Panthster on Jan 23, 2012 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see them on offensive lineman every week, QB's too.
So I think the answer is yes they can. I wouldn’t think it would be positional.
CAN'T WAIT!
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DAVIS WILL BE RELEASED IN CAMP
Ah, he is a liability boys and girls and he would have to go from $7 mill per year to $400,000 per if they even wanted to be nice enough to offer him a shot! Watch this team lose Connor in free agency and draft a linebacker!
He'll be released and signed to a new team-friendly deal.
You can pretty much bank on it happening.
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I would take Branch, Thomas or Carr
by rscott94 on Jan 22, 2012 10:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Been eyeing Laron Landry for a while now...
I don’t think Washington lets him go though. Their defense is noticeably worse when he’s not on the field. Injuries will temper the asking price for him though and you’ve got to think there could be no one worse than Sherrod Martin.
idk what sherrod's deal was this year, but jsut about anoyone could have been an upgrade over him this year
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 22, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
If they don't put a tag on him...
http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/1/20/2721289/carlos-rogers-so-many-guys-is-ready-to-leave-the-redskins
It’s all speculation and hearsay but a lot of Redskins suspect Laron is one of the players Carlos is talking about in those quotes. LaRon was critical of the medical staff and how they handled him at the start of this year so he has shown some frustration before.
When he’s on, he can definitely be a gamechanger.
Panthers Free Agency Wrap-Up:
Dream Scenario: Bowe, Landry, Calais Cambell, Marcus Trufant
Realistic Scenario: Laurent Robinson, Thomas DeCoud, Red Bryant
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
don't need Laurent Robinson
Don’t need Bowe. I think we’re good to go at receiver. If we could draft Blackmon, I’d be okay with that, but I wouldn’t give up any money to bring in a free agent.
by usana_gaines on Jan 22, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Bowe will have more of an impact next season than Blackmon will.
That said, I agree that we don’t need to spend big money in FA for another receiver(and he’s probably not leaving KC anyway).
Dream scenario
sign Manny Lawson, Tyvon branch, Reggie Wayne, Calais Campbell, & Mat McBriar
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
i love it
Don’t think we need another receiver, but Wayne is the real deal. I like all those guys. Who would you be willing to let walk so we can afford those guys…I’m thinking Baker, Shockey, D-Will and TD. Those words might be hurtful to some, but it’s a business.
by usana_gaines on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Restructure TD, Wharton, and Steve. cut Baker, Edwards, Goodson, Hartsock, Noorwood, and Martin
That will save like 15 mil. throw around some hidden cap and we can probably save 20ish. that will leave us with about 14 to spend (we were like 2 or 3 over, plus signing rookies) Give Lawson 3 mil, McBriar 2 mil. Branch 3 mil, Wayne 5 mil, Campbell we may have let pass unless he wants to play for 1 mil
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was
I doubt we cut Martin
He’s only due a little over half a million next year. As bad as he was this past year, he was good his rookie season. He very well could get back to that level and we’ll be able to write this off as a sophomore slump.
I agree with most your cuts
Goodson may still be trade bait: when he holds onto the ball, he can shine. Some enterprising OC may opt for his moves and try to coach the drops out of him.
I doubt they’ll bring Shockey back and Hartsock can block: I’d say the bigger bargain will stay. The CBA makes a bargain hard to find at that age.
Sherrod Martin was drafted a CB out of college and I think he was as miscast at Safety as was Davis when we tried to shoehorn him into the position. I think he could play Corner better than most of our existing CB’s. If Dre K is taken by 8/9, Barron would make Martin available for other duty plus put a little fear in the hearts of receivers coming over the middle (and we might even be able to trade down to get him). At any rate, I think Martin may be salvageable in the right role.
As much as I appreciate what AE did for ASU, I thought Marty threw away another 2 when he took him. Unless he has a Welker-quality camp, he’ll be gone.
Major need not mentioned as a need – SPECIAL TEAMS. Did anyone notice that both Harbaugh brothers get to stay home because their ST lost them the games: half the Giant’s points came from SF’s Punt Returner, and Baltimore, a 32-yarder, really? I honestly think Baker is serviceable but we need his Cap space, Mare . . . there’s got to be something better out there, particularly for that kind of money. Neither understood, "You don’t kick to Devon Hester {and apparently not numerous others based upon our coverage}."
Regardless of coaching, this team must have a person who can sufficiently judge bargain talents wherever available to enjoy long-term success.
In fairness to Baltimore and their kicker Billy Cundiff
If Lee Evans had only secured that TD catch, the kick would not have been necessary, and by consequence Baltimore would have won the game outright.
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Good point.
But to be fair to Evans, the DB made one hell of a play on the ball.
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Restructure Davis, extend Smith.
If they simply cut the option bonus out of Davis contract, they save 8 mil, if I’m reading it correctly.
I don’t think you’re going to see Smiths cap hit for the season go down very much at all, but I think locking him up for 4 years would be a very good idea anyway.
I would agree to cut Goodson outright, I think Edwards will get one more chance at training camp. I think we can cut Baker and Martin only if we have players signed to replace them.
Not to mention half of our wins were solely on D-Will's shoulders.
His big plays carried the offense at times.
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Salary cap and contracts.
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/car/panthers. If this is true, situation is not bad at all.
Laron Landry is a beast.
I would expect someone to throw a lot of money at him. Honestly wouldn’t mind if it was us.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
Me either
If we can only afford one luxury this offseason in free agency, safety is where we need to look. It is not a position we can adequately fill in the draft, and as far as I can tell was a position where we had a glaring deficiency all season. Martin is simply not getting it done, he takes poor angles, and is an even worse tackler.
Godfrey was just average, although I think if he could trust his running mate a little more, he could be above average, especially if it means he can move back to his natural FS position.
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Agree on Martin.
It’s all about tackling on defense. Landry’s tackling is superb. Coaches are smart enough to put people in the right place most of the time. The rest comes down to tackling.
Look how far SF made it on blocking and tackling…that is really all they do well—and they played in a championship game.
Blocking. Tackling. Toughness. Accountability. If you ain’t got it, time to GTFO.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
by ERL on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that Safety is the biggest concern
That we can actually address in this free agent class, but I’m not sold on the “we are good to go” on wide receivers. I would rather us draft a Blackmon or Jeffrey than get one of the options we have here (mainly because MeShaun will be too expensive and has a terrible attitude), and LaFell is nice but I’m not sure if he’s potential number one material like the guys above are, and Smith isn’t going to be here forever. What’s wrong with adding a mid-level guy from Free Agency if he wants to come here and play with Cam?
That is EXACTLY what Manningham is and he’d be an interesting addition to the fold.
But as much as I HATE him (dirty player, LSU, torpedo’s himself into guys on the ground too much) Landry is the best possible free agent addition, here.
Ya know, I'm wondering more and more...
Was Pat Y’s numbers earlier for this year or next year? I’m having a hard time believing we are over the salary cap for 2012 already.
I’m pretty sure his figure was the amount we have towards the 2012 cap.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
Yeah, I don't think he's wrong about the situation right now. But there are deals to be made to keep us on course ...
I think Smitty would take a 4-year/$24 mil deal with $12 mil signing bonus and backloaded (and all the other bonus’ craziness they can use).
Wharton has to know he’s not going to get $5.7 mil next year, doesn’t he?
TD is a Panther thru and thru, and he’ll make a favorable deal. What choice does he have?
I think Baker, Hartsock (Brockel’s just as good, and cheaper), Goodson (dog-house), and …yes… Martin will be cut/traded.
All that said, I hope JR and Hurney know how much the new TV deals will be worth. That revenue will impact the cap starting in 2013 (IIRC). These FA’s we want, all we have to do is give a lot of up front cash, with the salary backloaded. We can play, if we want to. I agree that Safety should be the 1st priority, whomever Steve Wilks may want? (should that be whoever? Help me BigD… you’re my only hope).
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
NOT A SAFETY BRO...JUST ASK GREEN BAY AND NEW ORLEANS WHAT A DEFENSE IS WORTH...NOT MUCH, IT IS ALL IN THE QB AND HIS TOYS!
One of the costliest moves mad last offseason was cutting Kasay (at $1.3 mm per yr) and bringing on a guy who lost games for the team ($3.00 mm per)…Hello, it was cheaper to pay Lloyd and Kasay! The guy who made that move? Marty Hurney….The same Marty Hurney who has needed a complement for Steve Smith since the day they let Chicago pay Moose the big bucks.
So, what does Hurney do in trying to get Smith a deep threat to take away the constant double? he burns picks…Remember Keyshawn (who quit on the team in the philly game) remember the wasted picks like Keary Colbert, Drew Carter and Dwayne Jarrett…and now there is Edwards (maybe the worst pick since the drug hobbled Jason Peter)…What did Hurney do this past season when the team they were without Gettis, their oh so promising rookie?
Well Hurney’s move was to get the bench riders from San Diego.But it did not work at all! What really makes it so bad was the fact that when Tebow was seen as Denver’s guy, one of the top receivers in the past few years wanted out. Brandon Lloyd had 1,448 yards and 11 td’s in 2010 and Carolina could have gotten him for a 5th or 6th round pick based on production. So, what did the 30 year old Lloyd do? He went out and caught 70 balls for almost a 1,000 yards…That is more than all of the other Panthers wideouts not named Smith all added together…and that would have been JUST ONE ROSTER SPOT! BUT NOOOOO! Hurney could not see the light. Lloyd would have costs less than the three backups the Panthers fielded.
The fee for Lloyd? It was $795,000 this past season with the deal being $2.05mm over two years! That is pretty cheap JUST TO KICK THE TIRES OF ONE OF THE LEAGUE’S TOP RECEIVERS (PLEASE, DO NOT TELL ME ABOUT AGE AND SO FORTH WITH WIDEOUTS…STATISTICALLY, THE MOST ELITE WIDEOUTS ARE MOST PRODUCTIVE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 30-34, WITH THE PINNACLE BEING AGE 32!) So, why would Hurney not do the deal? Incompetence, that is why and nothing more!
Look at the teams who get to the Superbowl and at Green Bay, New Orleans etc…they have SLOPPY defense who GENERALLY ARE able to get pressure on opposing qb’s but they are not top ten ranked units at all….As a matter if fact they have some of the worse defenses in the NFL! But they still have Lombardi trophies! So, why?
Why? Is because the only way to win in the NFL is through not good, but GREAT QB play and even a bad to middle of the road defense, that is all!
CAROLINA NOW HAS THE QB! BUT WHERE ARE THE COLSTONS, GRAHAMS, MEACHEMS, LANCE BALLS, DEVRY HENDERSONS? WHERE ARE THE MANNINGHAMS, CRUZS, NICKS? THE NAME OF THE GAME IS AT LEAST 2 IF NOT 3 GREAT WIDEOUTS!
HOW LONG UNTIL YOU LEARN THIS HURNEY! (REMEMBER DRAFTING A SUCCESSFUL WIDEOUT AND GETTING THEN READY TO BE NFL GUYS TAKES 2 TO 3 YEARS!)
CAROLINA MISSED THE PLAYOFFS BY JUST A VERY FEW GAMES THEY COULD HAVE WON HAD ALL OF THE PRESSURE NOT BEEN ON SMITH TO PRODUCE ALMOST 1,500 YARDS! IMAGINE 2 GUYS LIKE WMITH GETTING 1,300 YARDS EACH! WOW…THAT IS WHEN YOU WIN A SCORING BATTLE LIKE THESE TEAMS DID! ASK TOM BRADY…HE TRULY HAS TWO TIGHT ENDS AND WES WELKER WHO ARE JUST LIKE THREE ALL PRO WIDE RECEIVERS WHO CAN BLOCK! HOW IS TOM’S DEFENSE? THEY ARE NOT THE BEST, SO WHY SPEND AN EXTRA TEN MILLION ON CHARLES 8 SACK JOHNSON AND NOT $795,000 ON A 1,500 YARDS DEEP THREAT THAT COULD HAVE PROPELLED THIS TEAM TO THE SUPERBOWL!
I AM SORRY, IF YOU ARGUE THIS YOU ARE JADED AND LIVING IN THE PAST! WITH ONLY ONE TRUE NUMBER TWO WIDEOUT PLACED ON CAROLINA’S ROSTER LAST SEASON AND YOU WOULD HAVE A TEAM (BECAUSE OF NEWTON) WHO COULD BARELY HAVE AFFORDED TO BE DOUBLE TEAMED!
HURNEY WENT AFTER THE 2 TIGHT ENDS AND PAID THEM ALOT MORE…WHY NOT PAY ALMOST NOTHING AND GET ANOTHER 10 TD’S?
Funny because a top defense (SF) beat the saints. And a defense that has come on recently beat the packers
That giants d-line is amazing.
That is the attitude that will buy this team loses!
The point is not the fact SF beat the ’aints or green bay loses…..The FACT IS THOSE TEAMS LOST BY ONE PLAY!!! They were all over making the big dance!
NO-ONE blew out anyone…BEST DEFENSE AGAINST TOP OFFENSE and in the end they are separated by one score and lucky alex smith pass into the endzone…gimme a break!
I would trade a top defense for a chance to play deep in the post season anyday! Just look at the wins…the statistical way to get there is by great quarterback play with the ability to outscore their opponents….
BTW, genius…Your argument is worthless as the Giants had a bottom 5 defense and was only one place better than than the lowly Panthers defense.
Again, I do not think you read the post…the premise says get the BEST OFFENSE YOU CAN AFFORD and get a defense WHO CAN GET PRESSURE ON OPPOSING QB’s…
The Giants got burned plenty but they GOT PRESSURE on opposing qb’s…One big reason was JPP…The Panthers do not have a dominant end rusher as they only have an overpaid serviceable d-end in CJ. Hardy showed promise but he plyayed last season with 35 pounds of weight he put on following his rookie season…He lost more than a step and struggled….the PANTHERS MUST GET END PRESSURE TO MAKE THE FORMULA WORK…COMPRENDE?
Yup. And don't be shocked when NYG wins the Owl.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
You are right
The Giants 27 ranked defense will bring pressure Tom cannot handle and Eli, a top qb (look at his yardage and look at his weapons) should be able to match scores….
That is the idiocy that will cause the Panthers more losses next season!
The point is not the fact SF beat the ’aints or green bay loses…..The FACT IS THOSE TEAMS LOST BY ONE PLAY!!! They were all over making the big dance!
NO-ONE blew out anyone…BEST DEFENSE AGAINST TOP OFFENSE and in the end they are separated by one score and lucky alex smith pass into the endzone…gimme a break!
I would trade a top defense for a chance to play deep in the post season anyday! Just look at the wins…the statistical way to get there is by great quarterback play with the ability to outscore their opponents….
BTW, genius…Your argument is worthless as the Giants had a bottom 5 defense and was only one place better than than the lowly Panthers defense.
Again, I do not think you read the post…the premise says get the BEST OFFENSE YOU CAN AFFORD and get a defense WHO CAN GET PRESSURE ON OPPOSING QB’s…
The Giants got burned plenty but they GOT PRESSURE on opposing qb’s…One big reason was JPP…The Panthers do not have a dominant end rusher as they only have an overpaid serviceable d-end in CJ. Hardy showed promise but he plyayed last season with 35 pounds of weight he put on following his rookie season…He lost more than a step and struggled….the PANTHERS MUST GET END PRESSURE TO MAKE THE FORMULA WORK…COMPRENDE?
Let's poke a mile wide hole in your drivel...THE PATRIOTS ARE THE NUMBER 2 OFFENSE AND 31ST DEFENSE....
Let’s poke a mile wide hole in your drivel…THE PATRIOTS ARE THE NUMBER 2 OFFENSE AND 31ST DEFENSE….
The Giants are the 8th ranked offense and have the 27th ranked defense…
So, why don’t you and Hurney and go out and draft your overrated DT, DE or CB with your top two picks and forget the most needed things….Actually I do not advocate drafting a WR 1st at all…the Panthers need an O-tackle first. The next need is defense and it is an end rusher who can get pressure.
You need to sign a single WR in free agency and there will be a ton available…Will the Panthers do it? Well, how many deep threats did Phillip Rivers have in San Diego? Uh, that would be one…V-Jax and no-one else…
Why are you shouting? No need to shout.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I would be stoked if we could sign Laron Landry...
he is a beast when he is healthy
NO WAY.....NO WAY......
One of the costliest moves mad last offseason was cutting Kasay (at $1.3 mm per yr) and bringing on a guy who lost games for the team ($3.00 mm per)…Hello, it was cheaper to pay Lloyd and Kasay! The guy who made that move? Marty Hurney….The same Marty Hurney who has needed a complement for Steve Smith since the day they let Chicago pay Moose the big bucks.
So, what does Hurney do in trying to get Smith a deep threat to take away the constant double? he burns picks…Remember Keyshawn (who quit on the team in the philly game) remember the wasted picks like Keary Colbert, Drew Carter and Dwayne Jarrett…and now there is Edwards (maybe the worst pick since the drug hobbled Jason Peter)…What did Hurney do this past season when the team they were without Gettis, their oh so promising rookie?
Well Hurney’s move was to get the bench riders from San Diego.But it did not work at all! What really makes it so bad was the fact that when Tebow was seen as Denver’s guy, one of the top receivers in the past few years wanted out. Brandon Lloyd had 1,448 yards and 11 td’s in 2010 and Carolina could have gotten him for a 5th or 6th round pick based on production. So, what did the 30 year old Lloyd do? He went out and caught 70 balls for almost a 1,000 yards…That is more than all of the other Panthers wideouts not named Smith all added together…and that would have been JUST ONE ROSTER SPOT! BUT NOOOOO! Hurney could not see the light. Lloyd would have costs less than the three backups the Panthers fielded.
The fee for Lloyd? It was $795,000 this past season with the deal being $2.05mm over two years! That is pretty cheap JUST TO KICK THE TIRES OF ONE OF THE LEAGUE’S TOP RECEIVERS (PLEASE, DO NOT TELL ME ABOUT AGE AND SO FORTH WITH WIDEOUTS…STATISTICALLY, THE MOST ELITE WIDEOUTS ARE MOST PRODUCTIVE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 30-34, WITH THE PINNACLE BEING AGE 32!) So, why would Hurney not do the deal? Incompetence, that is why and nothing more!
Look at the teams who get to the Superbowl and at Green Bay, New Orleans etc…they have SLOPPY defense who GENERALLY ARE able to get pressure on opposing qb’s but they are not top ten ranked units at all….As a matter if fact they have some of the worse defenses in the NFL! But they still have Lombardi trophies! So, why?
Why? Is because the only way to win in the NFL is through not good, but GREAT QB play and even a bad to middle of the road defense, that is all!
CAROLINA NOW HAS THE QB! BUT WHERE ARE THE COLSTONS, GRAHAMS, MEACHEMS, LANCE BALLS, DEVRY HENDERSONS? WHERE ARE THE MANNINGHAMS, CRUZS, NICKS? THE NAME OF THE GAME IS AT LEAST 2 IF NOT 3 GREAT WIDEOUTS!
HOW LONG UNTIL YOU LEARN THIS HURNEY! (REMEMBER DRAFTING A SUCCESSFUL WIDEOUT AND GETTING THEN READY TO BE NFL GUYS TAKES 2 TO 3 YEARS!)
CAROLINA MISSED THE PLAYOFFS BY JUST A VERY FEW GAMES THEY COULD HAVE WON HAD ALL OF THE PRESSURE NOT BEEN ON SMITH TO PRODUCE ALMOST 1,500 YARDS! IMAGINE 2 GUYS LIKE WMITH GETTING 1,300 YARDS EACH! WOW…THAT IS WHEN YOU WIN A SCORING BATTLE LIKE THESE TEAMS DID! ASK TOM BRADY…HE TRULY HAS TWO TIGHT ENDS AND WES WELKER WHO ARE JUST LIKE THREE ALL PRO WIDE RECEIVERS WHO CAN BLOCK! HOW IS TOM’S DEFENSE? THEY ARE NOT THE BEST, SO WHY SPEND AN EXTRA TEN MILLION ON CHARLES 8 SACK JOHNSON AND NOT $795,000 ON A 1,500 YARDS DEEP THREAT THAT COULD HAVE PROPELLED THIS TEAM TO THE SUPERBOWL!
I AM SORRY, IF YOU ARGUE THIS YOU ARE JADED AND LIVING IN THE PAST! WITH ONLY ONE TRUE NUMBER TWO WIDEOUT PLACED ON CAROLINA’S ROSTER LAST SEASON AND YOU WOULD HAVE A TEAM (BECAUSE OF NEWTON) WHO COULD BARELY HAVE AFFORDED TO BE DOUBLE TEAMED!
HURNEY WENT AFTER THE 2 TIGHT ENDS AND PAID THEM ALOT MORE…WHY NOT PAY ALMOST NOTHING AND GET ANOTHER 10 TD’S?
Cheery.
And the all caps isn’t a good look.
So you burn through 500 words talking about how much Hurney sucks at picking WRs, and then you spend another 500 imploring him to do so again.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
Well, they do say that ignorance is bliss.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
YEP...and keep on repeating the past because you cannot see the problem and you disregard the facts
You seem to have the same thought process that continues to doom the cats…Newton was a no brainer so hurney is no draft God!
Re: Brandon Lloyd...it's called a salary cap. He would have cost too much cap wise.
And, he’s not that good. His best year was in 2010 with Josh McDaniels in Denver. Other than that, he’s been pretty much mediocre. We have enough of those guys already.
Also, bringing him in would have caused him to have to learn a new offense mid-season. He wouldn’t have been as effective with us…where did he go? You guessed it…where Josh McDaniels was.
Re: Charles Johnson…he did what he did with no interior pressure and being focused on by the OL. I’d say he did pretty good. Give him a decent DT to take a blocker away and he’s a top-5 DE.
Also, don’t type in all-caps. It doesn’t make your point any more right or wrong, and it makes people not want to read what you have to say.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
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