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Panthers Hurney Sticking to Best Player Available Mantra

Given the improvement of the Panthers offense last season and regression of the defense one pight assume the Panthers will focus on defense with the draft. If you know Panthers GM Marty Hurney though you know he has a long standing Best Player Available draft methodology. He continues to say he is sticking to that methodology in 2012:

"I don't think you lock yourself in to offense or defense as far as that first pick goes, and really any pick," Hurney said this week. "You have to go by your board. And we've done that and I think we've done well by doing that."

We we do know he prefers pass rushers so though its a need there is a good chance 'need' and 'BPA" dovetail into the perfect pick for the Panthers.

"The first pick is the same year to year," Hurney added. "I think you have to pick an impact player there and you have to hit on the first-round pick."

Ron Rivera has vowed to leave no stone unturned in this quest as he is taking his entire staff to the Senior Bowl next week. We will have more of the Senior Bowl this week.

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by Blacmomba on Jan 21, 2012 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

About how not to get caught?

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by OldhamA on Jan 22, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Can the Redskins hire him to teach that?

by Mr. E on Jan 22, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly if I was in a Front Office I'd hire a lawyer to talk to the players.

Just to go through the legalities of possession.

Like when and where Police have probable cause to search your vehicle. How much weed you can transport before it becomes a felony etc etc.

But then I’m a realist – a good percentage of NFL players smoke. All I’d care about is them being 100% on Sunday. It’s not like they’re drowning cats or anything.

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by OldhamA on Jan 22, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

and not failing drug tests multiple times so that they get suspended

by Mr. E on Jan 23, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I do haha

"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL

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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Jan 22, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

BPA is always the best strategy.

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"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton

by Smitty89 on Jan 21, 2012 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

Did we really do that last year?

Easy to say this now but was cam truly the BPA last year? I mean lets say he goes to a team that isnt willing to make an offense to tailor fit him but rather made him run what they wanted him to. There is no denying that carolinas willingness to install things like the read option were a huge part in his immediate success.

by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 21, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

Well new coaches= new qb majority

of the time, so I wasn’t surprise that they went qb even though I wanted Marcel Dareus to shore up the dline. Last year draft was all need.

by adam carter on Jan 21, 2012 9:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that was actually my pick also

the guy has two things going against him though that will limit his exposure he plays in Buffalo and he is a 3-4 dt still goint to be great

by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 21, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

AWFUL!!!

cam took AUBURN to the bcs championship throwing down the field and breaking people’s ankles and yall wanted us to pick the most unglamorous position in football??? soon as luck declared i started collecting cam memorbilia, haha

by bylinebrown on Jan 22, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

not tryin' to be annoying

i just saw the benefit of having a quarterback that’s worth watching for the first time ever as a carolina fan, and i’m tired of winning games 17-13 with a number one pick on the d-line and undrafted free agent behind center. fox ball embittered me, and now I LOOOOVE watching us strike down the field and break big plays… shiiit! it’s okay to flash, haha

by bylinebrown on Jan 22, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't suggest you were being annoying.

I was just stating that sometimes the unflashy pick is the best one.

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by OldhamA on Jan 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i understand.

last year was the time to break out the phone booth after that offense 2010, haha. i’d give you steve burlein too if you were looking for a qb, but supacam is and was a great pick:) we cool, bruh, haha

by bylinebrown on Jan 22, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you really have a degree in Journalism?

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by OldhamA on Jan 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather win 17-13

Than lose 49-35

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 22, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

Our 2003 season was the season that made me not just a Panthers fan, but a football fan (I was 15 at the time). I am native North Carolinian, so of course I cheered for the Panthers since they started, but it was that season that made me really care for football. And that was on the back of 17-13 wins, not because it was offensive football but because it was good, hard football.

by Aleins4u on Jan 22, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly, i think these highscoring games are overrated

I like seeing hard nosed defense. See QBs sit back in the shot gun untouched and throw the ball 40 times per game isnt exciting to me.

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by pcroadrage on Jan 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you undersell that offense that had Smitty, Moose, Proehl, Davis and Foster (the original smash and dash) and of course Rod ‘He Hate Me’ Smart.

by Mr. E on Jan 23, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Very annoying post

"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL

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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Jan 22, 2012 10:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

based off of an entire season of football

Cam was the BPA, so far as offense. Miller was a beast as well and Peterson did great, but hindsight makes Hurney look great. Cam would have fit in any scheme, and Chud did do a lot of enhancing, but to have a guy break records left and right while taking the foot off the gas at the end is pretty freaking special.

by Lost_terrapin on Jan 21, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yes we went BPA

We picked the best player at the most important position in the sport, a guy who had the best season in the history of college football. He’s the only guy that I saw multiple reports about BAMF being totally amazed by him. JR loved him, and his teammates and coaches from college loved him. I said it before the draft, it would’ve been dumb not to take CAM. I said that before Luck decided to stay in school.

by usana_gaines on Jan 22, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Not Cam? Then who else......

Ridiculous….Cam was not just the best player available but the best rookie EVER!!!

The Panthers FO (Hurney & Co.. ) were NOT fooled by the CAM prejudice that was propagated by the likes of so called draft experts such as Mel Kiper Jr, Todd Mcshay and Mike Mayock…

Obviously Cam has made the FO look like genius for drafting him and made the draft expert sound silly for saying he wasn’t worthy to be drafted high

by ProScout on Jan 22, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I was a big detractor of Newton pre-draft, but he’s had an incredible season, rookie or no.

The stand out player from that draft, especially when you consider his position.

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by OldhamA on Jan 22, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

It may have been the best rookie CLASS ever. The amount of instant impact players has been absurd.

by Mr. E on Jan 22, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

The first overall pick, and a chance for frachise qb sort of blurs the BPA lines.

Newton was the BPA/Best Skill Athlete advable for many teams. The panthers word diligenlty to filter out the truth about Newton and deemed him to be both the BPA and must need and it looks like it worked out. I was high on Marcel Darues myself but the gamble with Newton paided off and he had a much bigger impact than Darues.

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by bigred28655 on Jan 22, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

No, Cam wasn't regarded as the BPA by the vast majority of teams

If he was, then we would have had a host of teams trying to trade up for him.

QB is a position you reach for. It just so happens our reach panned out. Last years draft was pure need, almost no BPA regardless of what Hurney says now.

However, now we have the skill positions sorted I think we’ll go back to pure BPA this draft

by James Dator on Jan 22, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

consecutive DTs with the next two picks also scream “need” all the way.

by Mr. E on Jan 22, 2012 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Lots of analysts were thinking we’d trade back. Von miller was probably the most complete player coming out of college but the qb/Dt positions are more sought after… This is where bpa falls on its head for me, there’s no such thing because certain positions have more value that others.. Case in point this year David DeCastro, few would argue he’s an elite talent but players like martin, who probably isn’t a good a player at this point is rated higher because of position.

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by LimeyPanther on Jan 22, 2012 9:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Here were the verdict about Cam Newton...

Panthers FO : Cam was the BPA. They knew what they were doing and wasn’t fooled by the Hoopla and Circus going on about Cam back then.

Draft Experts : Cam was Not the BPA and it was not even close. As a matter of fact Mike Mayock had him third behind Blaine Gabbert and Jake Locker. Todd Mcshay even mocked the Panther FO on draft day for taking Cam as their number 1 pick. Kiper Jr. reminded people and compared him to the bust from Oregon Aliki Smith

Joe Theismann : Cam was not even worthy of any First Round Pick……maybe second probably third round since he was too much of a project

Terry Bradshaw : He won’t even pick him at all and seriously Questioned the Panthers FO for even picking him on National TV

To the rest of us : Cam was a potential BUST waiting to happen…..The risk was way too high…Blaine Gabbert was our pick as far as QB was concerned. Some even had “Man Crush on Gabbert”. Blaine had the smarts, he could make all the throws especially intermediate throws Cam had issues with and was decent at pro day throwing deep throws.Ofcourse to re-inforce our fascination about Blaine Gabbert, he scored 42 on his Wonderlic and Cam was just above average with 21

Thank God….. Hurney… knew what he was doing and we should tip our hats to Hurney because that was a career ending move for him if Cam didn’t pan out…..We thought Hurney had lost his mind for this gutsy move back then

So this time around… He should have our FULL support to choose as HE sees FIT….

by ProScout on Jan 22, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't you dare lump me into that Gabbert picking group

I have hated Gabbert from the start. I though he was a late 2nd-3rd round pick. The only QB i would consider drafting besides Cam was Mallet (not in the 1st)

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by pcroadrage on Jan 22, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I have despised Gabbert

I thought he was an over hyped QB from a spread offense that didnt even produce good numbers. You you cant do great in a college spread how the hell are you going to succeed in the NFL?

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by pcroadrage on Jan 22, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Memory lapse?

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by GooseCreek on Jan 22, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

wonder what the stance will be on Dre's weed ordeal

We did cut that lb( whos name I forgot, Thomas WIlliams maybe) for a drug thingy I wonder if Dre’s situation affects us taking him or not?

by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 21, 2012 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

Probably not

You’re talking about a first-rounder and likely starter being compared to a sixth-rounder that was on the practice squad. Kirkpatrick gets a lot more leeway simply because he’s better.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya but getting caught doing something illegal

During the most important part of his career so far with everybody watching and his salary depending on it…. What does that tell you about his character? No way we take him.

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by Panthster on Jan 22, 2012 8:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Being a 1st round pick (especially high in the 1st round)...

…helps you AFTER you are picked because the investment already made.

If you haven’t been picked yet, it damages your chances.

You think teams are just as likely to pick someone with such a lack of common sense that he gets ARRESTED at this point prior to the draft (for a substance that the NFL will suspend you for) when there are other players just as good sitting there in the Top 10 of the first round?

by tiger7_88 on Jan 22, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think his draft stock will suffer that big of a hit.

Now if they look into his history and have seen incidents in the past, then yes it will ding him. But I do not think this one incident is going to cause his stock to take a massive hit. Maybe he lasts to the Cowboys’ pick now.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100% with what you just said

But if it plays out the way you describe, then his dalliance with herb would have been the reason he fell to the Cowboys. Ergo, his draft stock would have suffered because of it.

by tiger7_88 on Jan 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I still want Dre K

The word immediately afterwards was that this would not affect his positioning. If that’s true, Claiborne will be long gone and there’s an excellent chance we lose him too. Should that happen, definitely trade back: there will still be a couple prime DT’s or maybe a DE further down the first and we could really use another pick.

by Cat Fan on Jan 22, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Never liked the term "Best Player Available."

1 – How do you determine who best player available is across different positions? For example, who’s a “better” player, Michael Brockers or Dre Kirkpatrick? Alshon Jeffery or Jonathan Martin? David DeCastro or Devon Still? They play two different positions; Don’t how you can say one is “better.” By all reports DeCastro will be a Pro Bowl guard for years to come – by the BPA mantra, isn’t it foregone conclusion we draft him?

2 – What if you already have a Pro Bowl caliber player that plays the same position as the BPA? Still draft Trent Richardson? Ryan Tannehill? Doesn’t make sense.

Best Player Available is just general manager/coach speak for justifying a pick.

by pantheredgar on Jan 21, 2012 10:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Everybody's board is different.

They’ll put a premium on certain positions, likely secondary and the lines for us, and degrade others, like quarterback and runningback, accordingly. Trent Richardson won’t be ranked as highly on our board as he will be on the Bengals’, for example.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 21, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If we are truly going BPA...

Combined with Rivera emphasizing that they want to solidify the OL and protect Cam….

Welcome to the Carolina Panthers, DeCastro.

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by Tater596 on Jan 21, 2012 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

I've pushed for him for a while.

DeCastro is a monster.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 21, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt.

He’s one of the best guard prospects in the past 20 years. A Gross-Wharton-Kalil-DeCastro-Otah line is just drool-worthy.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 21, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree about being one of the best G prospects in 20 years

IMO Otah was better coming out of college

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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Jan 22, 2012 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Otah is a RT.

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by OldhamA on Jan 22, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Without a doubt.

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by Smitty89 on Jan 22, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

He will be hard to pass

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by Panthster on Jan 22, 2012 8:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Decastro wouldn’t be BPA. Reiff or Martin are higher ranked. OT>OG

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 22, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

It depends on Hurney's board

Our scouts could see DeCastro as vastly superior at OG than either Reiff or Martin are at OT. That would be enough to push him above above either of them on our board.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 22, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I just don't know if Reiff or Martin can be considered "can't miss" picks

To directly quote Hurney…

“I think you have to pick an impact player there and you have to hit on the first-round pick.”

Both players, while undeniably first round talents, have enough concerns about their game that they are not considered locks to be franchise LTs. DeCastro on the other hand, by all sources seems to be a lock to be a Pro Bowl guard for years to come.

I think if we are looking not to miss, and want to solidify our OL by going BPA… it has to be DeCastro.

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by Tater596 on Jan 22, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the pick is going to be Reiff

Granted there are still some questions about his game but the guy has a ton of raw potential and is obviously a high character guy. In high school he letter in 4 sports and was all-state or all-american at 3 different positions (TE, DE, OL). Then in college you take the fact that he has played and excelled at essentially every position on the o-line except center and he just seems like a great prospect with an enormous amount of potential. If we’re healthy next season he can rotate in to relieve guys and could be groomed to replace Gross

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by mcdonaldwr on Jan 22, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Not if you lose

the coin flip to the phins…I think they will take him

by sauras87 on Jan 22, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If we're going pure BPA then I agree, it will be DeCastro

However, taking DeCastro flies in the face of the ‘impact player’ edict. Fact is, almost no guards are ‘impact players’… even guys like Steve Huchinson who were amazing never really impacted a game enough to change the outcome.

by James Dator on Jan 22, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

What?

It makes it much easier to run between the tackles with good guards

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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Jan 22, 2012 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah I suspect James is forgetting about those Chiefs, Seahawks and Minn lines.

Unless he thinks Holmes and Alexander were incredible players (hint, they weren’t).

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by OldhamA on Jan 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You suspect wrong

Holmes and Alexander were both incredible running backs in their own rights. Neither was merely a product of a good OL.

Just because both were bitten by the injury bug doesn’t mean they weren’t elite RBs

by James Dator on Jan 22, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

Holmes was incredible. Alexander turned soft after his injury. Watching him after his injury was unbearable. But Holmes just couldn’t stay healthy. Wasn’t he an UDFA?

by usana_gaines on Jan 23, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this

While certainly their success was helped by great O-Lines, what running back can’t say that to some extent? If the blocking simply isn’t there, you can’t be successful.

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by Tater596 on Jan 23, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

What about ‘It makes _ easier’ really makes a difference in the end?

A good set of guards can make a mediocre RB successful, but when you already have elite RBs the need for good guards becomes overkill.

For me it’s about luxury vs. necessity.

by James Dator on Jan 22, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends how Hurney defines "impact"

I think someone like DeCastro can make a huge impact on the game by ensuring that Cam does not face pressure right up the gut, forcing him to throw in a crowded area or off of his back foot.

The draft is such a guessing game, if Hurney feels strongly that we need to make sure we don’t miss on the pick, I don’t think we can ignore a guy who is being touted as a perennial pro-bowler.

I guess we’ll find out. Once the dust settles and we have gone through the combine, I’m going to revisit my Draft Value Index post and see if I can shake out our best pick.

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by Tater596 on Jan 22, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

They're not if you define "impact player" with stats.

But perhaps Hurney is thinking that key cogs in the machine also have impacts, even if their effect on others is only facilitative.

by bigdavis on Jan 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a valid point

Without pressure coming in the middle, it will be harder to collapse the pocket, which in turn keeps Cam clean and allows him to step up in the pocket and not throw off his back foot. Ray Rice was damn good before, but they got McKinnie and Rice just flat exploded. It was discussed in another thread how good the Raven’s line is, this allows for huge rushing number and makes Flacco decent or as decent as he is, think of what Cam could do with a clean pocket, or double trouble with clean running lanes, the probabilities are outstanding. i could be wrong, wouldn’t be the first time, but it is logical.

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by gdhood on Jan 23, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling...

that the BPA will end up being an OT. Either Reiff or Martin, whichever one we can get.

by rtb285 on Jan 21, 2012 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

Ultimately, BPA is whoever Hurney want's to draft, lol

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 21, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Pretty much, lol.

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by Son of a Newton on Jan 22, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I always take these statements with a grain of salt

They’re going to follow their board, but the exact placement of players on their board will be determined by the needs. I mean, the player who is going to have the biggest impact isn’t necessarily the best player. I mean, if the best player in the draft was a MLB, we probably wouldn’t draft him because we have Beason, despite that player being the BPA.

It’s always a matter of impact, which is determined by the upgrade vs. current talent at that position.

by aceofsween on Jan 22, 2012 1:36 AM EST reply actions  

Well, we did draft Connor regardless of having Beason

Granted, that was a 3rd round pick, but you’d think we’d still look to solidify our areas of need at that point. It turned out to be a good pick, and a life saver this season. All because Hurney stuck to BPA over need at that point.

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by Tater596 on Jan 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a difference though

Connor was supposed to be a late 1st early 2nd round pick. What they thought when they picked Connor in the 3rd is that he would have a greater impact than anyone else on their board, despite the talent already at the LB spot.

by aceofsween on Jan 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Kalil is another very good example of BPA

by Mr. E on Jan 23, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

and I think they thought Clausen and Everett Brown were too, at the time.

by Mr. E on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Again...

Another player who fell drastically that wasn’t high on their initial board because there wasn’t a need for him. Had he been in a position of need, they would have drafted him sooner.

by aceofsween on Jan 23, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The great thing about the BPA philosphy is that it

tends to land more consistiant resultes. When you pick a need you sometimes reach in hopes of getting what you think will be a instant fix instead you get a player tha is over his head (Jarret). BPA will get you dimaonds in the ruff at times, Jenkins and Smitty for example or players that will not a make a splash but be realiable for a long time Hoooooverrr. It will also at times give you depth in keys positions such as RB. Look at Willaims, Stewart then goodsons, Sutton.
Why I favor BPA is that it will spead talant around the team rather than only on one side of the ball.

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by bigred28655 on Jan 22, 2012 1:37 AM EST reply actions  

i agree

I also think drafting BPA sets you up for long term success, like drafting Otah when you have Gross, Stewart when you have D-Will, Gettis when you’ve already picked LaFell and AE, and Connor when you have Beason. You never know when a player is gonna get hurt. Beason was drafted as an OLB to play alongside Morgan. We didn’t know Morgan was gonna get hurt. But you see how that worked out.

by usana_gaines on Jan 22, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

when we pick trent richardson

it’s going to be a trip. i wouldn’t be surprised if he got to us. if he doesn’t, claiborne has a shot to as well. to me, i’d have to put some defenders at the top of my board compared to all these mock drafts if i’m our scouts. that’s all i got to say about our situation on that side of the ball, haha

by bylinebrown on Jan 22, 2012 1:50 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure why you're so high on Mark Ingram's collegiate back-up

I’d rather get LaMichael James later in the draft after getting a starting OL and DT. He’s not as fast or strong as Stewart, and I don’t think he’ll be as good at picking up the blitz or catching the ball. You might think he’s good at those things now, but considering most current NFL RBs aren’t as good as Stew, there’s no reason to think Richardson will be. D-Will is obviously better, so it actually seems like a dumb idea to draft a player in order to downgrade a position.

by usana_gaines on Jan 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone is high on Richardson

He’s the best RB to come out since AP. Just because he backed up Ingram doesn’t make him any less of a prospect, Cam backed up Tebow and I think it’s pretty obvious who the better player is.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 22, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Tebow is the better athlete.

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by Son of a Newton on Jan 22, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

the whole "best since AP" thing is blowing out of control

i dont think he’s that good. I just think people are high on him because the past dew 1st round RBs have not done very well. Not since 2008 (when we got Stew) have any of the 1st round RBs panned out very well.

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by pcroadrage on Jan 22, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that good?

Richardson is an absolute monster. There’s no way around that.

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by Smitty89 on Jan 22, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think he's better than Stew was coming our

to me Richardson is a middle teens picks

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by pcroadrage on Jan 22, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

He’s gonna be a solid back, but we got real monsters in our backfield. Drafting Rcihardson and losing Stew or D-Will wouldn’t make any sense. Especially if, after that, we have no real improvement on the team where it’s really needed.

by usana_gaines on Jan 23, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

if not ingram's daddy

he would’ve been the first to congratulate richardson after all his td’s on the sideline. i could see that from spring practice. richardson is HEAD AND SHOULDERS above ingram as a prospect at this level. no joke. and a great one at any position is infinitely more valuable than a question mark or project.

by bylinebrown on Jan 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

We won't pick Richardson.

Need is a factor is BPA, and we don’t need another running back. Even if Stewart leaves after next year we can find a change-of-pace back for a whole lot cheaper than a first round pick.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 22, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I am really starting to lean torwards an O-lineman

I just feel like we have our franchise QB and we should protect him. Of course our defense was so terrible I dont see how we couldnt pick defense.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 22, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

I think our O-Line is fine

Gross – Wharton – Kalil – Bell/Schwartz/Hangartner – Otah
I’m fine with that all day. I dont think any of the OTs are an improvement besides Kalil and I dont think DeCastro is vast enough of a difference better than any of our OGs

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by pcroadrage on Jan 22, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you guarantee that Otah will actually play?

He’s been injured every season except his rookie year

by aceofsween on Jan 22, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

he was not seriusly injured this season

he was healthy enough to play. They put him on IR so that he could finally focus on getting healthy so he could be 100% going into next season. All reports say his rehab is going very well. And on the off chance that he cant go, Bell and Schwartz are serviceable replacements.

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by pcroadrage on Jan 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree I think our O-line would still be solid

But I do think at our position and our line aging that is what they will do. We don’t really have a future LT behind Gross (though some believed that Ziemba could eventually play the position). And a lot of those guys on the line are costing us a ton of money. Wouldn’t be a terrible idea to start the youth movement before it becomes a problem due to cap space/declining play. It’s not the flashy pick (I’d love Brockers or Dre K) but it’s the one that I think is most likely.

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by mcdonaldwr on Jan 22, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Gross is still elite and will be for a few more years

O-Line does not have a steep learning curve. They can come in and start as a rookie or 2nd year player without issues. I think we can wait 2 or 3 years

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by pcroadrage on Jan 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't disagree on any specifics

And would love to get a defensive player with the first pick (considering our track record with succesful first picks). I just think judging on what Hurney said and Reiffs ability that it makes sense.

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by mcdonaldwr on Jan 22, 2012 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

we don't even have to spend high picks to get OL

Grab some later round guys and develop them.

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by Flowing Willow on Jan 22, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we have enough of those

G Williams and Ziemba can play LT. Ziemba, Bell, and Schwarts can play RT. Bell, Schwarts, and Z Williams can play G.

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by pcroadrage on Jan 24, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Where did you hear that?

From what reports we got here that time of year, the Panthers brass were getting extremely frustrated with his inability to get healthy.

by aceofsween on Jan 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Rivera and Hurney have talked about him doing very well

i think even JR may have talked about it. They are saying he is working hard and looking good. I’m sure that they have very strong faith in him getting healthy for next year.

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by pcroadrage on Jan 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I think we need a contingency plan on Otah, although I do see Bell getting better having had a full year of starter time and the benefit of NFL training.

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by Tater596 on Jan 23, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

bpa

kalil was a true example of bpa. we3 had a high dollar free agent centerbut he wasnt around for long.

by sschefflin on Jan 22, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

BPA or drafting for need isn't important

In this draft, I think there isn’t much separating the mid-1st rd guys. There are about 5 or so guys who could be solid picks at 8 or 9. We could have Kirkpatrick, Reiff, DeCastro, Brockers, and some other guys who could be drafted their and start right away, and start for the next 10 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have 2 or 3 guys we really like and trade back, even if it’s only a few picks. I feel good about this draft. I think whoever we pick wll be an instant upgrade, whether it’s a CB, OL or DT. Even if we go full up BPA, there still won’t be a RB, QB, S, TE, K, DE, LB or P at 8 or 9 who’s better than the guys we’ve mentioned most in this blog. It’s gonna be a good draft, and the jump off to our first Superbowl win.

by usana_gaines on Jan 22, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

when i say it isn't important

I mean that for this draft, either method results in the same guys. I think if we draft for need, we go DT, CB, or OL. And the best players available around pick 8 and 9 will be guys who play those positions.

by usana_gaines on Jan 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The other 3 might, but Brockers wouldn't start right away.

He’s a project, with potential, who needs to add weight and experience.

If he started, it’d be Fua all over again, getting pushed aside on EVERY play, not just 1/2 of them, as shown in FW’s play-by-play post.

He is NOT the BPA, by any standard, and probably won’t go Top 10.

by bigdavis on Jan 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Brockers would be just as good as anyone we've currently got at DT.

And he may not be the best player as far as immediate impact goes, but down the road how valuable would a top ten DT be?

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by Flowing Willow on Jan 22, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

"Just as good as anyone we've currently got"

That’s about the lamest reason for making someone your #1 pick, in the first round of the NFL draft, that I’ve ever heard.

Dude, you need to re-read what you just said.

We’re not talking about a 3rd rounder here. (read: McClain or Fua.)

It may be debatable as to whether he’s as good as Jason Shirley (I don’t think he is), but your 2st round selection has GOT to be a standout, not just “as good as.”

by bigdavis on Jan 22, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Read the rest of the post.

The header was a response to your statement that Brockers would not start right away. He’s got top ten potential, that’s why he’s an option for our pick in the first round.

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by Flowing Willow on Jan 22, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

BPA is purely subjective

Who one person feels is the BPA another may not, regardless of need. Hurney has a track record of doing well in the 1st round and the front office and coaching staff have been doing a wonderful job turning this team around and finding diamonds in the rough. I would like to see a trade back for a third rounder so we can have that extra player, personally. I’m more concerned with rounds 2-7 as that is likely going to make or break this draft. Whomever we choose in round 1, I’m confident will be a stud for our team.

by AZPanthersFan on Jan 22, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing wrong with taking BPA approach but...

I was watching DT from Memphis Dontari Poe on youtube and the espn rank him as the 5th strongest player in college football. 6’5 350 athletic freak, all the boards say he is a freakish athlete. Athletic enough to rush from the DE position. After watching the 49ers front four really dominate the giants and saints, that’s the direction the Panthers need to go. They need to get some guys that are 6’4 and taller at DT in free agency as well. The Panthers front four is too small and too short.

by jsn23nc on Jan 23, 2012 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

It's much easier to move a tall person that weighs 350 lbs

Than a short person…

That’s why height can actually be detrimental to a DT. The center of gravity is higher, so it’s much easier to get leverage on someone tall, making it easier to get pushed backward.

by aceofsween on Jan 23, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Good technique can cover that up though.

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by KaiserBromley on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

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