Panthers Salary Cap Update: It's More Than Tight
by Jaxon on Jan 18, 2012 3:08 PM EST
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PrintESPN blogger Pat Yasinkas posted a quick update on the NFC South's salary cap position. As we have suspected the Panthers are so tight expect some actions to address it come March 1st:
According to numbers obtained by ESPN.com, the Carolina Panthers have a division-high $129.9 million committed toward 2012. That puts the Panthers No. 3 in the league in the moment and they’ll have to make some moves to be compliant with the cap before the league year starts in March.
As far what the projected cap will be in 2012 I'm seeing estimates all over the board. From a low of $109M to $116M to $120M to the highest, $125M. Regardless of which of those numbers you prefer any way you slice it the Panthers are over the cap. So that means someone has to go...but who?
We shall take a look, after the jump...
Let's assume the cap is $120M as a median of the estimates I found. Here's some of the players I'm thinking might be cap casualties to cut about $10M from the Panthers current 2012 salary total:
- OL Geoff Hangartner - $2.8M I hate to see him go but we have younger players that can fill this role
- LB Thomas Davis - $2.25M He could return with a restructured (and lower) deal
- P Jason Baker - $1.55M Performance has been in steady decline and there a several good punters in this draft
- K Olindo Mare - $2.1M When the ball doesn't go through and the fans begin to boo that's O Mare!
- RB Mike Goodson - $565K Went into the dog house never to be seen again
- Total: ~$9.8M
Believe it or not but everyone else is either a key player who isn't going anywhere or a player making the NFL minimum of $490K. So those cuts would get us pretty close but remember we still have to fill those slots which would cost $2.5M just at the NFL minimum. I doubt we could get a decent kicker for less than Mare is making but I bet we could draft a punter to make the minimum.
As I went through the salary list I saw several 'keepers' that I think could clear some space if we renegotiated their salary:
- WR Steve Smith - $7.75M The Panthers 2nd highest salaried player in 2012 is also on the last year of his contract. Don't even come here saying let him walk. I say give him another 4-5 yr deal and a reduced 2012 cap hit.
- LT Jordan Gross - $8.5M Gross still has three years left on his deal so a restructure would probably be costly for the Panthers in the long run.
- LG Travelle Wharton - $5.7M With only two years remaining oh his deal Wharton might be a good candidate to get the Panthers to squeeze under the bar
- RB Jonathan Stewart - $1.3M Stewart has a low cap hit but he is in the final year of his deal and I'm sure is looking to make bank in a new deal. With the RB franchise tag estimated at around $7.8M I'm sure they would rather sign a new deal this offseason. In the end Stewart may cost us more.
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I thought there was some news
about new contracts in 2010 and 2011 not counting against the cap or something? This contract stuff just confuses me. Do the signing bonuses count against the cap as well?
Ben Hartsock is making about a mil too and they already re-signed Barnidge.
"One step at a time"
I just noticed the link to the Pat Y article
Sorry about that. Sportrac has Marcus Harrison (the DT who failed his physical and never made it to the team) as counting a bit over 700K against the cap. That being said, they don’t have Kearse or Shirley listed. Smith, Wharton & Gross all seem like potential players to rework/extend their contracts. Hangartner, (Ron) Edwards, Baker, turn-style & Hartsock all make 1 mil or more and could be potential casualties.
I was really hoping that those big signing bonuses wouldn’t be counted. Wouldn’t surprise me if the guys at ESPN have incorrect numbers and Marty outsmarted them.
"One step at a time"
Turn-Style is unrestricted FA, I believe.
We’d be insane to bring him back.
Can we save any money by cutting pickles?
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by Panthster on Jan 18, 2012 3:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't think so
It would cost a very similar amount to draft someone new, and even more to go sign someone.
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Damn expensive pickle…
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by Ivan459 on Jan 18, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously....
It better be a Vlasic pickle instead of a Claussen pickle.
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by BW Smith on Jan 18, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This probably rules out signing Lawson, Thomas, Gregory, and Applewhite.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 18, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions
Marty Hurney
Let’s not forget that Marty Hurney, before he became a GM was a master at working the salary cap. He will surely find ways to get us under the cap and if I was a bettin man, I would say under it enough to sign a couple of pieces. Let’s not count chickens before they hatch!
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I dunno.
Thomas probably want’s 3-4 million dollars a year, Lawson would require at least 3 million dollars a year, and Gregory, at least 1-2 million a year.
Signing those guys for multi-million dollar deals would just require cutting more guys, creating the necessity to sign even more players.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 18, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Love me some Applewhite
Going to be hard to make much of an improvement if there’s no room. I thought last year was supposed to clear out space for a long time…
by panthersnbraves on Jan 18, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Need to resign Shockey. Guy has been fantastic for Cam.
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by Ivan459 on Jan 18, 2012 3:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I really want to resign Shockey, but he would have to take a massive pay cut.
But if he is willing to do it, more power to him.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 18, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
He said he would love to stay here and would take a pay cut if he had to
As did TD
by rscott94 on Jan 18, 2012 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Shockey would have to take under a million dollars to play here.
Anything over a million dollars is just too costly, seeing as we are potentially 10 million dollars over the cap.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 18, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm holding on to the hope that ESPN's information is wrong
And at least the bonuses of D-Will, Big Money, Anderson, Beason & TD (who will be re-structed anyways) don’t actually count. It would be tough to lose Shockey & not be able to bring in any worthy FA’s
"One step at a time"
Agreed.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Here's my thoughts
- Thomas Davis: Pat Y’s figure includes TD’s $8 million roster bonus, which he will never receive. He’ll be cut and re-signed at a lower price… that will save about $6 million or so.
- Goodson: I’m with you Jaxon, I think he’s out with over $500K committed
- Armanti Edwards: I’m adding him to the cap casualty list too. Ultimately trying to develop a #4 WR/PR isn’t worth the $490K he’s due to make this year, which balloons to $580K next year. I think Darvin Adams at just over 200K could take his spot.
Time to trim the fat. id rather cut guys like Goody and AE if it means we can keep somebody like Applewhite.
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 18, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But if we get rid of Mare, who could possibly take his place?
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Screw it. I just say we go for it each time.
If we are too close to the EZ for a punt, just go for it. Then either get Baker to kick PATs or just go for 2 every time.
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by Tater596 on Jan 18, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't Cam just kick? I mean if Tom Brady can Punt.....
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we should convert him to a kicker and trade up for Luck
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by Tater596 on Jan 18, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
this comment killed me
I cannot stop laughing
by Atlantapanther on Jan 18, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
The guy we replace Baker with.
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Lol, Onside kick every time.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 18, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Just have someone kick it out of bounds and let the other team start from the 40 every time.
Who needs field position anyway?
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by SwankTheTank on Jan 21, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm already warming up for Training Camp.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 18, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
That heavy smoker who swears a lot from The Replacements...
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by BW Smith on Jan 18, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9CN0wbsOGA
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 18, 2012 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's wiry.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on Jan 18, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Good post & insight on the financial front
I agree with you about every player you feel needs to go. If we can restructure deals for TD and Smitty then great. Baker…done. Carolina needs to go after young, affordable talent. UGA’s Drew Butler comes to mind. Mare…ditto. If the Panthers want a kicker who is all over the place, they should target another Georgia product, Blair Walsh. He would be cheap and he can compete in camp with the other guy Carolina signed towards the end of last season. I am curious about one thing. Are there any players the Panthers may consider trading that will free up money?
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 18, 2012 3:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I could get behind this plan,
we probably would actually average more points
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by carolinapillpusher on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions
I'll add Clausen to the cut list
Another player making over $500K whose on the inactive list each week? Doesn’t make much sense.
We could trade him and get somewhat 'decent' compensation for him...
Who am I kidding, no one would want an old rotten pickle!
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Potential to what? Be the best 3rd string QB in the league?
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He could be put in a “yates situation” and play well. Plus Shula can develop him into a QB as good as Alex Smith
Clausen doesn't fit the offense.
He’s a dink and dunk guy…we’re a vertical attack offense. It’s putting a square peg into a round hole.
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I like Clausen
but he wont end up here long term. He needs to be in a west coast offense. I could realistically see us getting a 4th or 3rd for him though
What team is that desperate?
Nothing against Clausen, but on his performance alone, I don’t see how we could get anything near that for him in a trade. 6th round, if we’re lucky; 7th round otherwise.
you never know how other teams think
remember he was once regarded as a top 10 pick. he obviously didnt show that, but people saw that in him for a reason. And he wasnt absolutely terrible. he was a rookie who was thrown in before he was ready and still he didnt make a ton of mistake (granted he didnt make plays either). I think it is reasonable for some coach to see him and believe he has potential. at the very least he is a serviceable back up
I think any coach that saw him will think he will be dropped soon
and they will think there is no reason to trade a draft pick for him.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
He spent most of his time running for his life
and was told to throw it to a cheerleader if his primary read wasn’t open. He should be OK for some team.
by panthersnbraves on Jan 19, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yates stepped up and helped the Texans to the playoffs as a rookie
Clausen…he folded like a lawn chair, hence the reason why we have Cam as our starting QB.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 18, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
A lawn chair???
Nah, that’s WAYYYY too sturdy to be insulted by being called Clausen. Clausen was more like a thin, wet napkin…
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Armanti already has that award wrapped up BW
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't have the skillset to succeed in Chud's offense.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 18, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Any QB can Succeed in Chuds Offense
He Built an offense around Newton. Why wouldn’t he be able to build a offense around Clausen?
Because Clausen isn't going to ever be our franchise QB.
So why would he build a an offense around Clausen. You can’t have multiple offenses just in case your franchise QB goes down. It would be more convenient to get a guy who’s similar to your franchise QB.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Yeah.
But I just don’t think he should be cut.
But there's no point in keeping him. He doesn't fit the puzzle.
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There is a reason for keeping him.
He is the Puzzle
yeah, that one at the beach house
that’s missing quite a few pieces that nobody wants to throw away.
by Lost_terrapin on Jan 18, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm....
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps
if this is Jimmy, sorry but i have a hard time seeing any possible contributions from the guy that doesn’t travel with the team. Anderson has QB meeting contributions covered.
by Lost_terrapin on Jan 18, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
This isn't Jimmy
I just feel Jimmy is a good backup
I believe Jimmy can be a good backup...
On another team in need of a QB with his skill set. Like the Niners or Chargers which are teams that run a west coast offense.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Clausen could have been a decent QB for the Panthers
However, he was put in a situation that was heavily weighted against him.
He was forced to play as a rookie for a HC who had made it clear did not want to play him.
I think he still could be a decent backup for the Panthers, he didn’t play amazing in the preseason, but I certainly saw a lot of improvement over 2010. I’m just not sure that we want a fairly inexperienced QB backing up our QB.
I think we keep either DA or Clausen, not both.
At this point I think he needs a change of scenery...
He did get a shitty situation to be in and fell flat on his face. But with Cam being our QB of the future and Clausen being inactive the majority of the season, it’s best for him to find an environment more suited to continue his development. If not, I think he’ll fall to the same fate as David Carr…
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's argueable that coming out of college...
Carr was more talented than Clausen. Except for Carr starting his career behind the worst O-Line in football and being so shell-shocked that he never recovered. Clausen’s only had one season with questionable O-Line protection and he already looks just as jumpy as Carr.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
*shiver*
don’t think that’s a stat comparison anybody wants to see any time in the future.
by Lost_terrapin on Jan 18, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't have the arm strength to pull off our vertical attack...
And he’s not mobile enough to roll out of the pocket and buy time, and he sucks at feeling the pass rush.(and he’s got small hands)
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
+1
The football looks enormous when drops back to pass. It’s like, how does he even tie his shoes with hands that small!
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by boywonderncsu on Jan 18, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure he could adapt to Clausen
But we wouldn’t have the deep ball threat in the passing attack that makes the Coryell the Coryell.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 18, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Why are we even talking about this? This is such a non-issue right now.
(not directed at you BTW BW)
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Clausen doesn't have the skillset to run a Coryell
He’s much better suited to a WCO.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 18, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Oooo Burnnnn
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by boywonderncsu on Jan 19, 2012 6:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think that number is wrong for Hangartner
We didn’t claim him, we picked him up after he passed through waivers and was signed for an “undisclosed amount”.
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Even If The Number Is Correct, It's Better To Re-sign Hangartner & Cut Travelle Wharton's $8,100,000 Cap Number
Wharton counts $8,100,000 against the cap (his $5,700,000 salary + his prorated signing bonus of $2,400,000), but if they cut Wharton that $2,400,000 is all that counts against the salary cap, freeing up $5,700,000 in cap room. They can probably re-sign Hangartner for half that, and draft another G.
by PanthersRoar on Jan 18, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
The bonus of $2.4 mil can be charged back to 2010 because Wharton's contract was signed before 2009.
He’s still making waaayyy too much money for a mid-level guard. In other words, if they cut him, they save the full $5.7 mil.
Or, they could re-work the deal to be cap friendly. Same for Smitty. Re-work the contract to give him a nice, juicy signing bonus (to be spread over length of contract), but back load the salary. We could easily cut $10+ million with just these two guys. TD’s new contract will provide further relief. It’s not all gloom and doom, but it is a tight spot, as noted below.
BTW… here’s a link to my original story about cap figures and bonuses
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Also, I found a good site to find the salary and bonuses of all players, if you're interested.
Go Here.
You can select any player you want and see their salary/bonus/cap hit by year. Most of the contracts signed last year are back loaded. It’s obvious that the Panthers expect a big jump in the cap when the new TV deals are worked out next year.
Also, don’t forget we have to re-sign Cam in 2015 at what will be an very large amount. Suffice to say, there are a number of contracts to be reworked … Wharton, Smitty, et al. Also, a re-do/extension of Gross’ contract is, actually, a good idea.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Grr... Why must teams constantly put themselves into cap jail?
I thought that the Veteran Purge the previous season would clear things up for ages, and we’re already talking about having to backload packages to get back under!
by panthersnbraves on Jan 19, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
If they do this...
I would not be at all surprised to see us go with DeCastro in the draft. Wharton is a stalwart lineman… and honestly, we should keep him. But if the expense is too great, replacing him with a potential all-world Guard would be awesome. The left side of our line would be extremely stout with Gross, DeCastro, and Kalil
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Thing is, while the draft rookie scale changes were very favorable for the top picks, not so much where we're picking
IIRC, 8th/9th pick averaged $4m/yr fully guaranteed right? While Wharton is expensive, that high a pick at guard wouldn’t really reduce salary by as much as we’d like to think. Expensive positions, like DE and CB, are still more cost effective as high draft picks, its just you can’t get screwed by picking #1-3 anymore.
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by ERL on Jan 18, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Yes
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Epic Movie
Gopher, Everett?
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 18, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Very odd movie...
But I really liked it!
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't know that...
The last time I even read The Odyssey was such a long time ago that I wouldn’t have even been able to notice it.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure you could google all the connections
But John Goodman was the cyclops and the girls singing “down by the river” were the sirens.
"One step at a time"
Cool
I will make that trip to google kind sir!
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Do it while you can
Wikipedia is down for a day in opposition to SOPA & someone told me google may do the same. I apologize, this is getting way off track now….. Err, panthers.. ramble ramble, Cam Newton… ramble ramble money and contracts
"One step at a time"
You can still go to wikipedia...
Use Google Chrome as your browser, and pick the Spanish version of Wikipedia.
When Chrome asks if you want to translate it, translate the page.
Voila! You have Wikipedia.
However, you’ll probably wonder what all the fuss is about over soup. (Sopa is soup in spanish, and there’s a banner ad about SOPA, and the translation from spanish translates it to soup.)
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Haha!
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Or if you have a smartphone
Use the mobile site.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 18, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We're not all iPhone using d-bags Jake.
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I’m not either, I’ve got an Android ;)
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 18, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Woop woop...
Everyone around me has an iPhone.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Or you can just hit the esc button as the page is loading.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 18, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
That works as well. Just tried it : )
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sweet
Now I can finish doing the research for my Doctoral Thesis I'm working on
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Would said thesis happen to be titled...
“How to Accidentally Press Someone’s ‘Anger’ Button, While Just Trying to Make a Damn’d Joke”
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Bazinga!
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently that's my field of expertise.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
That, and "how to be called a racist without saying anything about race"
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
LOL that wasn't an anger button.
That was a “blind rage” button.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 18, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I know this is so stupid...
Oh, I mean, Clausen should be our back-up rabble rabble rabble…
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
FTR
SBNation is against SOPA too, just (thankfully) not doing the blackout. It’s a great way to raise awareness though.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 18, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
They've also got that petition on Facebook too.
The Gov't just has to have their say on everything, huh?
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
You have no clue how true that is.
But my political beliefs are “radical” to some, so I’ll stop now.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 18, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly I think they plan to go ahead and end the world in 2012...
Just to say they predicted it… But I’ve already said too much…
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Love, love, love that movie.
I don’t want Fop goddamnit, I’m a Dapper Dan man!
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 18, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
"They turned him into a toad"
Haha…. for years I thought George Clooney was actually singing that song (I was young…)
by rscott94 on Jan 18, 2012 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There were a lot of movies where I thought a certain actor was singing in the movie...
Then I’d find out like 6 or 7 years later and I’d feel silly as shit…(pardon the language)
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 18, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, that's not George Clooney singing?!
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I didn't want to be the one to tell you... but its time you learn before you embarrass yourself
by rscott94 on Jan 18, 2012 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But, but....
His mama could sing her a$$ off
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Rec'd. It's been awhile since I've seen that one.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 18, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I am dreading hearing the same knuckleheads that said Hurney/Richardson are cheap one year ago say they are wreckless and overspend once this hits the CO and WFNZ.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Jan 18, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
A former user not to be named:
Panthers ‘011: This is what we’ve been waiting for…we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
^That’s his sig. I’m sure we’ll be seeing that same thing from a lot of “fans” in the coming months.
Kickers
I’m not sure if Baker’s numbers are trailing as a result of his ability or the fact that he’s now punting from a position closer to the 50 yard line than the 10. I do, however, see the need for Cap relief; Butler from UGa is projected at 6th to 7th round. I say gamble he will be there in the 7th unless we get a 6th compensatory.
I don’t know where to go for a kicker. UGa’s kicker Walsh was also projected as the top prospect but he did not look clutch in their bowl game, nor did #2 Welch from Wisconsin. Why didn’t we grab Akers when Phillie decided he was expendable? Hurney shouldn’t have based his decision on “Olindo’s already in the neighborhood so he’ll do.”
I Wish We Had The Cap Room To Sign A Veteran Punter, So You Know What Your Getting
A lot of drafted punters just don’t workout, remember how bad the Giants Matt Dodge was.
by PanthersRoar on Jan 18, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Jerry a little more generous then he needed to be
cant help but think of all the deals we did and all the money paid out in them in Johnson, Williams,kalil, Anderson, Beason, Godfrey, and Davis these were all contracts that seemed a little high to me
by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 18, 2012 4:58 PM EST reply actions
Maybe it's his way of making a small market seem attractive to prospective free agents.
I don’t see a problem with the majority of those contracts though.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Jan 18, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
how does it seem attractive when we have no more money left? lol
Beason, Anderson, Kalil were all worth their contracts IMO. Johnson and Williams were heavily overpaid. Davis contract at least protected the franchise against another injury. Godfrey is a meh contract.
by Atlantapanther on Jan 18, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
It shows two things. If you play hard for the Big Cat you'll get paid and two even though
it’s a small market he’s not afraid to spend. I thought that was pretty obvious, meh.
I agree with CJ being overpaid, Wiliams the jury is still out for me. He was paid for what he produced. Now will he continue to produce like that? Time will tell.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Jan 18, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I know what you meant and I had a feeling you'd take it like this lol
but I was referring to the fact that we can’t pay new FA like we did last year since we have no more budget. If there was more budget, the big cat would’ve dished out.
Williams’s age is what concerns me. I don’t know how long he will last considering he got injured in 10 and 09.
by Atlantapanther on Jan 18, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
But he didn't in 2011, that's what matters
And I don’t see how Johnson didn’t live up to his contracts. Yeah the sack numbers were down a bit, but he didn’t have much along side him to take attention away from him. He was among the league leaders in tackles for loss. It’s not all about Sacks.
Hurney said on WFNZ
That it had the effect of a great locker room too.
by jojoisthemann on Jan 18, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
To me it just seems like they could have been talked down a bit more
A couple of these guys werent even in contract years and the deals got done a little quick. I dont think with Beasons injury that anybody comes back 100% from that we would have had to pay him as much if we would have waited.
by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 18, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Johnson
We couldnt afford not to keep johnson
by allthatremainsstillowns on Jan 18, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
if we didnt keep C Johnson
Would we not have still won 6 games? The 6 we won were won on offense. I don’t think we won a game on defense last season.
I still don't think anyone knows what is in the new cba.
How can they talk about cap space when they don’t even know what the cap is going to be from year to year yet? I am sure Richardson knows though, he was in on making it. And if Richardson signed off on all the big money contracts last year, he must think we will be okay with them.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
Very good point Bernz.
JR wrote that shit out on a Bojangles napkin back in April.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Jan 18, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
6 win team and yall are debating
How hard or painful it will be to cut 5 or 6 players. There a lot of room for improvement and plenty of turds to be flushed.
JR dumped talent and Hurney was asleep at the wheel for the 2009 draft that has left a void of 3 year cheap / decent vets to build on yet we still have more money allocated toward salary cap than any other team in division. Where is all this money going? It doesn’t make sense to have salary cap issues like this with so little to show for it.
Something does not add up.
Relax I agree with you something does not add up in the public eye. These teams have ways of manipulating money through their accounting depts. I do not know all the verbage in these players contracts because that would be between the player, management, and the players lawyer, agent and accountant. So what I am saying is nobody in the media or public would know all of the inner workings that would be an invasion of privacy. I find it utter B.S. that cutting any player would cost the team more than keeping him. People need to realize the player and his union would come to a settlement of way lower numbers upon his realase than some of the B.S. spouted out on here. People believe that we are so squeezed. I trust Hurney and Richardson they are no dummies with money. You do not bulid a Billion dollar asset by being careless with money. They will release who they need to so they can free up money for upgrading this team.
Just give me ANYONE other than Mare
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Jan 18, 2012 5:54 PM EST reply actions
I fear he will be here at least another year.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I AGREE SP
isn’t this kulunic kid o.k. or is he the rookie who never could, but mare scares the hell out of me with that soccer pooch punt type kick he dose hell on a good day i could block two of those i know it’ oh and restructure DAVIS contract first and add a six game clause to it so we can get some do or die play outta him i love em, he’s nice as hell in person but we gotta or shall i say we need to win in 2012 i hope he can help alot. Anybody else that want to stay redo their contract also and lets get on with a winning season here to my PANTHERS in 2012"!!!
play hard, play smart, and impose your will every game, every down ."
Since this thread's direction kinda hit the fan, i'll leave this here
"What do want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
I'll leave this here too.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
by Revshawn on Jan 18, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
We use to issue those out during my time on active duty
Good times
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with the earlier comments - lest we forget about MH's past
Once upon a time he was a salary cap genius – I have faith that he can work something out!!
by PantherPride2011 on Jan 18, 2012 8:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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