Panthers Fire Secondary Coach Ron Meeks
I take no pleasure in anyone losing their job. That being said, I take pleasure in watching the Carolina Panthers quickly identify their weak links and part ways with them quickly.
It was a bizzare philosophy in the first place: Pair an extremely aggressive DC with exotic blitz packages with a 'bend but don't break' passive secondary coach. It seemed like Ron Meeks was always destined to be a placeholder, but ultimately his abysmal organization of the Panthers' pass defense was his downfall.
2011 was a season where we saw Chris Gamble return to dominant form, yet there were a cadre of players around him who were completely unable to stop the pass. Moreover, we saw consistent and repeated errors for players that seemingly went uncorrected. It's here where Meeks failed the Panthers. There was no improvement in terms of the tackling ability, no players were ready to fill roles and we were left with an already beleaguered defense being let down by their only phase without injury.
As it stands there are no clues as to who the new secondary coach will be, but at this point any change will be a good change.
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Obviously you never watched the Colts defense play while Meeks was there.
They sucked out loud year after year after year.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 13, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
2010
They not only fought the opposing team offense but had to carry the weight of their own offense. It’s hard to blame the defense when you are on the field for 45 minutes every freaking Sunday.
I distinctly remember the defense failing just as much as the offense
Cause you know… giving up 150+ yards to… was it Chicago? In the first half? That’s something to write home about.
considering how much time they spent on the field in 2010
The d wasn’t THAT bad, just ya know… Fairly bad. Happy trails meeks may you find blah blah blah
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by LimeyPanther on Jan 14, 2012 4:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A half of a season really doesn't count in my books
The season is 16 games long.
When did we have a good defense in any season Meeks has been here? Being good half the season, and bad the other half puts us squarely average.
Translation: I’m going to be needlessly nitpicky and unreasonable in order to support my original assertion.
Not talking to you anymore.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 14, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s an excellent translation.
Perhaps he wants more specifics?
2009! Despite a slow start while he (Ron Meeks) was implementing his system, our defense finished 8th in yards! I’d say that’s pretty good. Yards aren’t everything so how about takeaways? Even better we finished 4th with 37! 3rd down efficiency? 7th! Those are all pretty good numbers.
Unfortunately, while our offense could run, they could not pass. And our boys gave up the ball like crazy, finished 7th in giveaways with 31! That results in a lot of bad field position situations for a defense, and even pick 6’s that technically count against our scoring defense rank, which even still finished 9th! All that despite allowing 7 non-offensive touchdowns (pick-6’s, and fumble recoveries) which was tied for 3rd most in the league.
In fact I did some math. Lets just say you remove all non-offensive touchdowns from our points allowed stat, and remove them from the other teams too, we jump up to the 5th in scoring defense, which is pretty damn incredible when your offense puts you in awful situations so many times.
Our defense, after about 3 or 4 games, is the only reason we were competitive at all that year, and the biggest reason we managed to finish 8-8. I wouldn’t say our defense was just good in 2009, it was fucking great. The best we’d had for years, seriously.
As for last year, our panthers defense played exceptional considering the even more horrid situations they were put in. They finished middle of the pack in most of those stats I just gave you, despite being on the field nearly 33 minutes a game (5th most in the league, and pretty crazy considering we were supposed to be a running, ball control offense).
Now after reading that, if you (aceofsween) can still claim our defense was never good under Ron Meeks, then frankly, you’re an idiot.
Don’t let all that make you think I’m against us firing him! He’s not a philosophy fit with Ron Rivera and Sean McDermott (who I don’t think should be given a very long leash, his situation defensive playcalling was very suspect this year). I like Meeks, and thank him for his work the last couple of years, but given what we saw this year, it looked pretty obvious he didn’t do a great job.
I’m excited to see who we hire to replace him, and what type of background he’s got.
by quiteunequal on Jan 15, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
We already hired his replacement.
Steven Wilks, the DB/AHC from San Diego.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 15, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Ah I'll look into that.
Just clicked on an article that was posted just 20 minutes ago, while I was typing that wall of text, lol.
by quiteunequal on Jan 15, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
You don't think they were good in 2010 and the second half of 2009?
The second half of 2009 they were lights out. In 2010 they were the only thing that kept us in most games.
i very much agree, were they dominant, no. but very strong none the less imo.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Jan 14, 2012 11:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
well..
In his defense(pun intended lol), he didnt have much to work with
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Woah....
Are there any good DB coaches available?
by rscott94 on Jan 13, 2012 7:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Why look for a retread? The coaching carousel doesn't have to recycyle itself here.
There must be imaginative new guys to enter the ranks.
wasnt raheem morris a db’s coach previously? if so i wouldnt be suprised if we look his direction
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by braves&panthers4ever on Jan 13, 2012 7:00 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Redskins looked pretty quick
I was thinking him aswell but they snatched him up
by rscott94 on Jan 13, 2012 7:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
damn!?
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by braves&panthers4ever on Jan 13, 2012 7:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
no
Once a buc always a buc. Lol
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by LimeyPanther on Jan 14, 2012 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This should give a clear indication where they think the weakest link is and prob the area they focus on in the offseason/draft. Sucks cuz I was starting to fall in love with the brokers pick
by danism on Jan 13, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Just cause they're addressing a coaching weakness doesn't mean they will draft that way either lol...
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It is obvious if we want to be serious about a playoff run and we draft D we have no choice but to go CB. We already invested a lot of time in developing 2 rookie DTs, back ups Neblett and Shirley stepped up and Edwards will be back. TD and Beason will be back. Outside of Gamble we have probably the worst DB class in the league. If Dre K is there we are picking him no doubt assuming nothing bad happens to hurt his stock.
by PantherTrain on Jan 13, 2012 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
DBs don't isn't usually an immediate impact spot for rookies.
by jojoisthemann on Jan 13, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Neither is DT, outside of Suh of course.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 13, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
No choice but to go CB?
There’s a reason our best defenses have coincided with the years where we fielded the strongest line; just as an offense can only be as good as its line, a defense is the same way. A new shiny CB will not have anywhere near the impact a real DT will…
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If we go D line I still think we should go Mercilus, he will be a beast as a pass rusher on the next level.
by PantherTrain on Jan 13, 2012 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is why people get irritated with you
You say we are picking Dre K “no doubt” if he’s there. You don’t have any knowledge of the situation. Yes, Dre K would be an upgrade to our secondary. But so would Brockers in a way. Increased pressure on the QB means the ball comes out before the QB/WR is ready and makes it easier for DBs to cover and make plays.
You can have Revis and Asomugha out there...with no pass rush they're useless.
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I am very excited...
To see Beason taken off the leash for once….
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by KissMyConverse on Jan 13, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ditto.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
But, BW...
…wasn’t Asomugha pretty much useless this season, anyway?
...
It is obvious if we want to be serious about a playoff run and we draft D we have no choice but to go CB.
Obvious it is not, young padawan.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Jan 13, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
BusyBeingYoda has spoken.
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
We are not picking Dre K "no doubt"
Just stop with that stuff.
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Don't worry.
He’ll change his mind again in a few hours.
Good point.
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That being said....
Next!
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 13, 2012 7:26 PM EST reply actions
It was just a bad marriage... destined to fail, as James more eloquently stated.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Think he was a good DC for us.
Obviously things didn’t go well this year but I appreciate what he gave us. I remember all the “Fire Fox and promote Meeks” calls there were here.
I was really excited in the beginning of the season about Meeks
Didn’t turn out quite so well. I’m sure he’ll land a new gig somewhere else soon
"One step at a time"
Here's my take on the defense as a whole:
Sean McDermott comes to Carolina and has almost none of the personnel he needs to run a Jim Johnson , aggressive blitzing system.
His system requires two really solid corners who can hold their own without help, and two extremely good DTs one of whom needs to command a double. This creates a situation where he can send his LBs and DBs in to blitz the QB, the DEs rush the passer and the two corners needs to keep their head on a swivel.
Meek’s system was about speed over aggressiveness and asked for almost all of the pass rush to be generate from the front 4, while the rest of the field was covered by DBs and LBs.
So… McDermott enters the picture. We don’t have a #2 corner who can hold their own, we don’t have stout DTs and Beason is out. He then needs to pull the linebackers and send more of them to try and generate a pass rush because the lack of DTs means the DEs can’t get a rush. This places more on the safeties, who in Meeks’ system weren’t responsible for much and the CBs are asked to do more than they’re able to.
It was a mess all around, but I’m sure it let them evaluate the talent on the team.
by James Dator on Jan 13, 2012 7:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'm still not sold on McD (since he was hardly the epitome of success as Philly's DC), but we'll know what he's worth by week 8 this season lol
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just hate it...
when coaches force players into their system instead of adapting a system to suite the players.
by Keith Ryan on Jan 13, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well it's a bit hard to adapt the system to fit the players when...
half of the starters are on IR.
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This shows that an improved Defense will be the first emphasis for next year.
Meeks did NOTHING to improve the play of any of the secondary guys. And that’s his job, to coach them up to greatness.
this isnt a surprising move
Our secondary has been horrible for the past two years, I’m glad we’ve acted so quickly. Hopefully McD can get someone he likes, the downside for him is that it’ll be on his head if he fails. I think we’ll be much better on d next year. Its not exactly an easy system to learn and with the benefit of OTA’s and the rest of pre-season hopefully our defence won’t look so lost. Props to rivera and hurney for not fannying about
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by LimeyPanther on Jan 14, 2012 3:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This
I look at this season as one big long preseason of sorts. They have had a full to get to know the the meat of the team from the fodder. I have heard it takes two to three years to converent a team into new system I hope our journey is quicker.
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this is a sign...
that were getting a new secondary coach for our first round draft pick CB Dre Kirkpartick
Good they can have him
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by LimeyPanther on Jan 14, 2012 3:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This decision makes me extremely happy!
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by ALAC on Jan 13, 2012 8:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
McDermott is the one I would question
Sean Mc has no end pass rush…and no true cover corner yet he wants to run a philly defense. That makes no sense….
Now watch the panthers screw up and take the last quinton coples with their pick! Hardy, who put on 30 pds last offseason will be better than coples if he can drop the weight he amassed.
Firing meeks is ok. Ron seems to know some talent as he hired chud….let’s just hope the panthers re-up stew and get a dt, cb, de in free agency and draft an ot first, dump otah and trade Goodson and get s decent lb as beas and James A. will be the only quality lbs and beas now has atrophy he is dealing with
by Pantherdan on Jan 13, 2012 8:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He wasn't running a philly defense...
hence, why we didn’t see as much blitzing as expected yet more soft “bend but don’t break” defense throughout the year.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
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I don't think we have the personnel for his kind of defense...
Also, I think we’re really running Ron Rivera’s defense.
When he was hired, he said that he would be in the defense and that’s where his hands would be. I’m pretty sure he calls the shots as far as the overarching defensive scheme goes.
No issues there...
I’ve never really cared for hiring Meeks. He may have never been the most popular guy in the city, but Mike Trgovac got the job done. Our yearly totals from 2003 when he became DC through 2008 had us as 5th overall in yards allowed. Where do we stand now?
I’m really not sure where to go from here, but we can’t do any worse.
Didn't the Chargers DC just get fired a few days ago?
Here we go again. I hope he doesn’t turn us into the Chargers because we sure are headed that way right now.
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Everyone that rivers brought from chargers has worked out
I don’t see a problem
by Josh Isitt on Jan 14, 2012 3:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
That was supposed to say rivera not rivers.... damn phone
by Josh Isitt on Jan 14, 2012 3:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Meeks did not fit
I think Meeks and McDermott had different approaches. The defense sucked because of of the confusing approach between the two. I am not a McDermott fan yet. All he knows is blitzes. It did not work in Philly when he got promoted after his legendary mentors death. However, now when we have everyone speaking the same language, we may have a better group result.
Question
What DB coaches are available that would possibly be a good fit to help implement what MCDermott is trying to implement on the defense?
If Meeks got canned...
Then who in the hell is our Special Teams Coach?Richardson’s nephew?Better yet, why is he still employed?
Rivera said early in the season
that throwing Brian Murphy (ST’s coach) under the bus wasn’t fair due to injuries and no off-season and such. He didn’t have a huge pedigree when he came from Minnesota (I believe) but he gets a pass on this season and we’ll see how they do next season
"One step at a time"
And too be fair
ST’s play did get better about mid-way through the season minus 2 big plays over the last 6 or 7 games
"One step at a time"
Firing Meeks if it was going to happen is a good move for him as well now,
gives him a chance to find a chair before the music stops.
Hard to point fingers at Meeks for the woes of the defense this year, but if Rivera feels there needs to be a change I’m on board. This difference in philosophies seem to be a bad fit but I was assuming Meeks could adapt to what Rivera and McD were trying to do.
Steven Wilkes' contract is up with San Diego
He followed Rivera from Chicago to San Diego and if I had to guess he’ll be the one filling the DB coach spot. He’s a Charlotte native and an App alum.
I’d put money on him coming here.
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And not only that
But the rumor is that he’s upset over being passed over for their DC spot twice, so he’s looking to leave.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 14, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
That would be cool
And he could be the back-up plan if McDermott doesn’t work out this season. I’m sure Rivera and he have a good feel for each other and their styles
"One step at a time"
I liked the defense under Meeks the year he took over.
I find it hard to blame Meeks for this bad season. It’s tough to create a cake when you’re giving mudpies to work with. I suppose the organization knows best, but we should be firing our special teams coach for blowing another good year and Mare for being the worst. kicker. ever.
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My biggest issue is the regression of Sherrod Martin
Simply put, there is no excuse for the complete 180 that Martin displayed after having a pretty good rookie season. That can only be put on the coaches.
I also think that could be put on Sherrod Martin
He’s not a robot programmed by the coaches. He takes the most responsibility for his shortcomings, not his coaches.
Having Meeks as DB coach with Rivera and McDermott running the defense makes no sense.
They have two totally different philosophies. Keeping Meeks would be like bringing Jeff Davidson back to work with Cam.
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by PantherNationn on Jan 14, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
damn!
i love ron meeks to death, and even though i saw the contrast between he and rivera’s schemes i pushed him for dc over mcdermott. a great coach, a great man and some nfl team on the bottom half of defensive statistics just got lucky. it’s probably best for us that we move on as well. with meeks gone, i’m betting year two will see us saying “fire in the hole” a bit more:) blitzkrieg. anyway, now for that physical corner to round out the unit….
Mother ******** facepalm... folks, these are the kind of fans we have in this area (from the observer comment section)
Chis Gamble is not effective anymore any needs to take a cut in his pay to keep his job. Only 3 interceptions in 2 years? Gamble avoids contact and he doesn’t tackle well at all.
No sir, not for $8 Million per season. I wouldn’t trade him, but I would re-work his contract. He is a 2nd CB, at best.
Anyone else starting to get the feeling 3/4’s of ‘fans’ don’t watch the game and rely on box scores and highlights to get their ‘knowledge’ about the team?
I think you are lowballing that number
Understand though that NC is a basketball state and SC is the football state. Until we got the Panthers, half the people in NC stopped watching football in HS.
Then again, some people are just really stupid.
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by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 14, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
What about bringing Del Rio back?
as an assistant DC or something I love that guy, and would love to have him and chud as our coordinators, dreamy lol…
I bet he gets offered a DC position somewhere
Maybe St Louis with Jeff Fisher. I don’t know if there is any history there but I could see that happening. Would probably turn around an injury depleted defense pretty quickly actually
"One step at a time"
Or he could reunite with Mike Smith in Atlanta?
They were on the 2000 Ravens squad together.
by adam carter on Jan 14, 2012 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Meeks is just the fall guy for the terrible defense this season.
He was using McD’s defense. If there was a problem it falls on McD. If you tell your assistant to do something your way and he doesn’t then you fire them in mid season when you see their disobedience is causing you to lose, not at the end of the season. All year people said McD doesn’t have the players to run his defense, but yet he stuck with it all year instead of trying something else. Yep, fall guy here.
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fall guy or not secondary sucked this year minus Gamble continued to make same mistakes all year. Not to mention Ron has brought along the same DB coach his past two jobs. I think this was more of making room for a familiar coach/friend.
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OT
SalPal reports Cam Newton is at Ravens walk-through practice to visit his brother, Cecil Newton Jr., a center on Baltimore’s practice squad.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 14, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions
Like I said above
I’d put money on it.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 14, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
While admitting I know nothing about him
I am cautious due to him never staying with the same team for more than 2 years. Most of his jobs have been 1 year and new school/team.
To be fair, on of those schools he went from coordinator to HC, but then only lasted one year as a coach.
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Meeks
Somebody had to take responsivilty for god awful def. back play. Only part of def. that didn’t have any bad injuries. Guys never improved all year. Actually got worser. Blown assignments, bad tackling, bad angles. I could go on and on. What you’re seeing is the first step in fixing this def. What we see on field next year will be totally different than this years def. It really couldn’t get no worse.

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