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Looking at Mike Shula, the OC

Look I know I'm putting the cart way before the horse here, but the fact is I'm leaving for Australia tomorrow and there's a good chance I'll be eaten, bitten or poisoned by something while I'm down there so I have to take my chances where I can.

With the news today that Rob Chudzinski is interviewing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the window both for Chud leaving, and staying is growing narrower. It seems lately with Chud we dodge a bullet, then get fired on again. I have little doubt in the coming days that the Miami Dolphins will inquire also after being turned down by Jeff Fisher.

It would seem that logical heir apparent in this situation would be Mike Shula, who was vital in having Cam Newton prepared to play at such a high level in his first season. This wouldn't be Shula's first time around the block after serving as offensive coordinator in Tampa Bay from the mid-late 90s.

In the even we lose our OC to the next head coach opening I thought it would be pertinent to see what kind of a job Shula did 15 years ago, and see if we can learn anything from what he did in Tampa.

Star-divide

I will say this: 15 years is an eternity for a coach, and a lot can change. Also we have to keep in mind the dearth of talent Tampa Bay had during this time period. That being said, here is what happened 1996-1999

QB Position

Do you like Trent Dilfer!? Okay, that was less excitement than I thought. When Shula arrived he had a stable of three glorious QBs- Trent Dilfer, Casey Weldon and Scott Milanovich. Sadly, unlike Chud with Cam he didn't work wonders with the 3rd year Dilfer. He finished with 2,800 passing yards, 12 TDs and 19 INTs.

Year two got much better and the answer was to pass less. Shula leaned on RB Warrick Dunn and turned Dilfer into a game manager, and this worked well as he finished with 21 TDs and 11 INTs. It's important to note the team jumped from 6-10 to 10-6 due to the defense, but also in large part to smart management of the offense.

In the third year there was a greater emphasis on the run as he continued to utilize Dilfer as a game manager. While the team regressed slightly we saw the 1998 team have their best year as an offense.

In 1999 the Bucs were on the cusp, but Dilfer fell off a cliff and they tried to break in new QB Shaun King. It was an abject nightmare on offense due to an innefective Warrick Dunn and amysmal Dilfer. Shula seemed to become the sacrificial lamb and was fired. However, it's important to note that the new offensive staff didn't fair any better with Tampa's talent. They invested all their resources in defense and it showed.

RB Position

It's safe to say that one of Shula's greatest contributions to the Bucs was in developing a nasty running game that allowed Dilfer to be little more than a game manager. There was no messing about when it came to what he wanted to do on offense as he and Tony Dungy drafted Mike Alstott in 1996 and then Warrick Dunn in 1997.

Consistently Shula used these two as a devestating 1-2 punch where he kept teams off balance with the speedy Dunn, and then demolished them up the middle with Alstott. It's interesting to see what he did here, because it could be a future analog for how he would use DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, rather than the specific packages we saw this season.

WR Position

LOL

That pretty much sums it up. The Bucs from this period had arguably the worst WRs of any team. In 1996 Mike Alstott was the leading receiver... a fullback... as a rookie. That should tell you something. From there such luminaries as Karl Williams, Reidel Anthony and Jacquez Green led the team. When you see four years and four different receiving leaders it normally tells you a team stinks.

The Impact

It has to be mentioned that, well, the Bucs were garbage on offense as a whole. It was an afterthought for a team being built around defense. The talent was never there, but Shula seemed to do the most with what he had available. In the end the Tampa Bay Buccaneers never managed to get out of the 20's in both points and yards scored.

I would caution fans to not freak out though, because it's been 12 years since Shula was in Tampa. It was his first stint as a coordinator in a terrible position. None of us know what Chud will do, or who would take his place, but if it's Mike Shula you now have a little more background on what he did.

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Nice write up

Might as well get a head start should the Chud situation come crashing down on us.

by hadisious on Jan 13, 2012 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

If Chud left, I think Shula would have to be our first choice as OC.

If we pass Shula over for OC, he may decide to leave for greener pastures.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Jan 13, 2012 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

Teams should get comp draft pick when they lose coordinators.

Perhaps other teams should have to bid draft picks to steal your coaches.
Some coaches are at least as valuable as starting players. Why not compensate the teams that lose them?

by criolle johnny on Jan 13, 2012 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

How do you quantify a coordinator though?

Especially when there really is no true proof how valuable they are. I value Chud, but was it Chud’s play calling, Cams Talent, Shula’s coaching, or something else that made this offense such a success. Maybe Steve Smiths hands? An OL that was more dominant than anyone expected? Teams fear of our running game? Or just crappy team defense we played against?

IMO, it would be tough to compensate anyone for coaching losses, especially for coordinators.

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by AParker on Jan 13, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

you'd just have to equate each coaching position to a draft position

hiring away an OC will cost you a second round pick, hiring away a position coach would cost you a 4th.

still, it makes it more expensive for crappy teams (higher draft pick) to replace their coaches so I don’t see this happening.

by Floods on Jan 13, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

An OC's relative stat is his team's offensive rankings

Sure there are other factors. But you don’t build a top 10 offense with a crappy coordinator.

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by southtunnel on Jan 14, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

i'd rather continue living in the fantasy that chud

will stay as OC until i am forcefully left to cope and then consider new OC options

by ianc1203 on Jan 13, 2012 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

I think he'll stay just because he's sooooo green

He’s never had 2 successful back to back seasons. And that will make teams hesitant. But no doubt we’ll be having this conversation again next year.

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by southtunnel on Jan 14, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope Chud stays

That should be on par with everyone’s thoughts here at CSR. However, if we lose him, I would rather be to a team like Miami versus a division rival. Anyway, have a safe trip and try not to get mugged by a kangaroo.

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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 13, 2012 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

I want to throw out a possibility....

Scott Turner, our Offensive QC guy and son of offensive guru Norv Turner. I know he no coordinator experience, but you gotta start somewhere and he has the pedigree.

by chatoka on Jan 13, 2012 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

Promote Shula

Bring in Weinke to be Cams QB coach… He obviously knew what he was doing this summer

by danism on Jan 13, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Maybe all Weinke did was teach Newton nfl play lingo.

Some people say Newton threw well in college too. They say he didn’t just stumble into the nfl and miraculously learn how, that he had the ability all along. I think people are trying to give Weinke too much credit for Newton’s natural abilities.

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Jan 14, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Where in that statement did he say anything about teaching Cam to throw specifically?

Jesus, talk about jumping at shadows. All he said was that Weinke knew what he was doing, whatever it was that he did.

by aceofsween on Jan 14, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you read?
Cam’s immaculate turn around as a passer

This is in the title of the comment. Damn nitsits always got to try to jump in on stuff with no freaking clue.

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Jan 14, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

what's a nitsit?

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 14, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a typo.

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Jan 14, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

lol.

the s was supposed to be a w

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Jan 14, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be upsetting.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Jan 13, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That would just create a competition for Shula, that I think we would win.

Cam > Freeman.
Car offense 5th in total points > TB’s 27th.

This is the franchise with the offense and QB that will be in the spotlight next year. Why would Shula possibly leave that for a team that is on it’s way down?

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by southtunnel on Jan 14, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking Scott Turner could be a possibility

but Person seems to think he’s not there yet:

Joe Person
Good, young coach. Will be an off. coordinator, just not yet. RT @embford @josephperson What are your thoughts of Scott Turner as OC?

If Chud leaves (which I really hope he doesn’t), Shula would probably make the most sense to promote to OC, even though I’d much rather leave him where he’s at. I like the idea of Shula to OC and Weinke as QB coach, but hopefully it doesn’t come to that, not yet anyway.

Right now they’re laying the foundation for the rest of Cam’s career. I think Chud’s value to this offense is intensified by the fact we need Cam to have success early, to maximize his development.

by John Chilton on Jan 13, 2012 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

Nice write up

I hope it does not come down to that tho. This team will be so much better off if we can keep our coaches just one more year.

by PantherFan1 on Jan 13, 2012 8:28 PM EST reply actions  

Assuming Chud leaves

We should be casting an eye at Al Saunders for OC. He’s an old-school Coryell guy, learning the offense from Coryell himself in the early 80’s. I’d guess that he’s on his way out in Oakland with a whole regime change on the way.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 13, 2012 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, 700+ pages.

Chud’s is supposedly massive as well.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 14, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been...unimpressed (shall we say) ever since Saunders took the OC job with the Skins a few years back

It just seems like he’s constantly trying to outsmart himself; if Chudz had any downfalls this year it was when he fell into that same trap on occasion, but he got much better about it as the season progressed

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by Tomthehomer on Jan 14, 2012 4:44 AM EST up reply actions  

chud will stay, it'll be fine

(Please let it be fine) I’m going to oz too james!! Just not till september :(, very exciting though… Gonna be there for the lions tour which will be amazing.

Save us Pilares

by LimeyPanther on Jan 14, 2012 3:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

He's more familiar with Cam than anyone else we could bring in

And he’s also more familiar with Chud’s Cam-centric offense than anyone else we could bring in. And he has experience on the job. Provided he’s not planning to try and reinvent the wheel (which would be foolish), then I think he’s a very logical choice.

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by southtunnel on Jan 14, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

multiple weapons

I look at some of the great teams in history, and you’ll notice they had so many weapons on offense, and a solid defense. Shula probably wants Chud to leave so he can take over. Dilfer is guy we said was a winner. He won a Superbowl in Baltimore and then had a long winning streak in Seattle. He was never a playmaker…he just knew when to throw the ball away and he didn’t throw many interceptions. His 4th quarter comebacks in Baltimore were led by Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis. His greatest accomplishment outside of the Superbowl was telling everyone how great CAM was gonna be.

I think Shula would do well as the OC, but we need to fix the defense no matter who is the OC. Firing Meeks was the 1st step. Bringing in DB and DT help, and OL and LB depth are next. I have to honest, though. I think a better offense is gonna be the greatest help to our defense. Just ask the Colts how a good offense helps. When we have fewer turnovers and penalties, and give up fewer ST big plays, the defense will seem to play a lot better. 2012 will be our first Superbowl win of many.

by usana_gaines on Jan 14, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

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