Under The Radar FA Options for Panthers Defense and ST
Given our (projected) limited funds this offseason, I've taken the liberty of doing a little bit of research and finding a few under the radar players that we could potentially look at to fill holes on our defense and special teams unit. These players aren't stars, but they're all solid veterans that would make a noticable impact on our defense or special teams.
Rocky McIntosh, OLB - A natural weak-side LB, the 29 year-old Miami alum has been a consistent, if unspectacular performer. Coming into this year, he had recorded at least 87 tackles in four straight years. Benched mid-season after giving up a long touchdown reception, he could look to join former teammate Jon Beason and return to a 4-3 defense. McIntosh is from Gaffney, SC (just 55 miles from Charlotte) so playing closer to home may be a factor for him as well.
Manny Lawson, OLB - The best way to describe Lawson is as an athletic freak. The former NC State defensive end has played LB in the NFL, both in a 3-4 in San Francisco and more recently a 4-3 in Cincinnati. He has become known for shutting down opposing tight ends and being a productive pass rusher, despite low sack totals. Personally I believe he'd be best used as a base 4-3 OLB, 3-4 rush LB, and nickle defensive end, much as Oakland has done with Kamerion Wimbley. He's also a native of the Carolinas, graduating from Eastern Wayne HS in Goldsboro.
Terrell Thomas, CB - Thomas was looking for a big payday this offseason but tore his ACL in the preseason. A big, phyical corner, Thomas is a solid #2 that has shown a nack for making plays. Though worth much more than what he'll likely get, his knee injury may knock his price down into our range.
Reggie Nelson, S - After battling inconsistencies in Jacksonville, Nelson has seemingly found a home in Cincinnati. He's an underrated playmaker, but may have found a long-term home in the Bengals defense.
Steve Gregory, S - The Chargers' starting strong safety make seek to follow his former defensive coordinator across the country to Carolina. Gregory doesn't do anything particularly well, but he doesn't have any glaring weakness either. He's reportedly looking for a starting job this offseason but since he's not much more than just an average player, he may find that most teams will be as non-committal to him as the Chargers have been.
Pat Sims, DT - Meet the 26 year-old Ron Edwards. He's a big run stuffer that's been a vital part of the Bengals defensive line rotation that may be looking to grab a starting job this offseason. Coming in at 325lbs he's certainly a space eater, but he's shown some flashes of pass-rushing ability as well with five career sacks as a rotational DT.
Amobi Okoye, DT - A favorite of CSR last offseason, he'll be on the market again this year. He recorded four sacks and six hits on the quarterback as a rotational DT. Only 24, you've got to think there's still some upside here that could be reached.
Brodrick Bunkley, DT - One of the Broncos' starting defensive tackles, he was recently rated by Pro Football Focus as the best DT against the run in 2011. I don't think I need to go into details as to how that would help us out.
Jason Hunter, DE/OLB - An Appalachian State alum and Fayetteville native, Hunter has experience as both a 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB. He's scheme versatile and would make for a good reserve to go with Applewhite and Keiser. Hunter was a special teams ace for the Packers early in his career, something the Panthers are sorely missing.
Tim Shaw, LB - The former Panther is consistently among the league leaders in special teams tackles. A true special teams ace.
Corey Lynch, S - Another App guy (I'm biased, but they've produced some solid role players), Lynch has shown some ability as a back-up safety, gunner, and has a nack for blocking kicks that makes him a valuable piece on special teams.
And this guy isn't quite under the radar, but one we should look at nonetheless
Connor Barth, K - The Buccaneers' kicker was quite simply one of the best in the league last year. Barth made an amazing 92.9% of his kicks and is from Wilmington.
So, what do you guys think of the list? Obviously this is just a list of players I like, make some suggestions as to some under the radar guys we should sign in the comments.
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Here's A Great Stat On NT Pat Sims
The Bengals only allowed 92.7 yards per game (5th in the NFL) with Sims, but he went out with his injury it jumped to 131 yards per game.
Big, big fan of Sims.
I’d cut Edwards and replace him with Sims in a heartbeat. I actually think a Sims-Neblett starting combo would be a pretty damn good one. Neblett is strong and showed the ability to get after the QB in limited snaps.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 10, 2012 12:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I would have liked to see us keep Derek Landri too. He played pretty good with the eagles this season.
by ieatcrayons on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
dont get me started
I was so pissed when we let him walk. He was the only bright spot to our DTs last year. Rivera let him go because he isnt very big (290) and Rivera likes big space eating DTs.
If Rivera likes big DTs
Then I’d like to know what happened with McClain.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 10, 2012 2:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It's simple:
Rivera likes dancing bears.
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Thinking outside the box here...
I won’t be shocked if we draft the Honey Badger when he comes out, so we can have the whole zoo.
We already have the emu (Jimmeh), the dancing bear (McClain), the horse (Mare), the buck (LaFell), the kangaroo (Armanti…cause he hops every time he returns a punt), the pitbull (Smitty), the gazelle (Cam), and the chihuahua (Martin).
Why not add a honey badger to the collection?
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Yes.
He is one of my favorite players. Sure he got beat on some jump balls last night but he runs like a CB and tackles like a lineman. He reminds me of a defensive Smitty. Always kind of teetering on the edge of taking it too far.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
defensive Smitty is the best way to put it
I personally love the kid.
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Defensive Smitty
just makes me think of Steve Smith lol…
I don't know why...but Sione Fua was the first person who came to mind.
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but fua doesnt remind me of the worlds largest rodent.....
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by braves&panthers4ever on Jan 10, 2012 5:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Who else on our team does?
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
idk, anyone have a crappy molester looking type beard. if s thats who id pin for the capybara.
how bout the “viper”, or the “tazmanian devil”. im sure e culd find some guys to fit those. maybe we should have more mythical creatures a la the “kraken”, hey, instead of pickles how bout we call him the “unicorn” lol. or maybe a “goliath”. too many good possibilities.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Jan 10, 2012 9:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
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I really like Lawson and Sims. I don’t know if we’ll go after a player of Lawson’s caliber because JR seems to really like TD coming back. I think we’ll look for a rotational player to spell Davis at that spot.
And also, I’d almost be more surprised if we didn’t get Gregory than if we did. Just makes too much sense.
Lawson would be a perfect strong side backer
We could put him at SLB, Beason at MLB, and Davis/Anderson as WLB. Maybe have Davis start but Anderson be highly rotational at SLB and WLB. Not sure the cap allows us this luxury but this would be an awesome set of LBs
by pcroadrage on Jan 10, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It would
But I can’t imagine them removing Anderson from the starting lineup. He’s played so well in the absence of his running mates.
Thats the problem, all 4 of the are/should be starters
It would be nice for a 3-4 (although none of them are elite pass rushers) but having 4 starts for 3 positions is too expensive plus all of these guys deserve to be full time starters
Call me crazy but...
I’m perfectly fine with a linebacking corps of Davis/Senn, Beason, and Anderson. Beason would improve the whole unit. Senn was amazing in forcing turnovers. Would be good to keep if Davis doesn’t fully recover. Don’t want to see them spend money on Lawson when they can draft a good one.
by pantheredgar on Jan 16, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I was high I Lawson last off season
he could play a little DE as well
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Nice post Jake
I really like Sims & agree that Gregory could be an obvious signing to compete with Martin. Terrell Thomas would be awesome as well though it really all depends on what they decide to do in the draft. After last night I think Dre K looks like a great choice at 8/9. There will definitely be some roster shake-ups added this offseason. Rivera has already shown he will do whatever he has to in order to keep the intensity and get the most out of his guys.
"One step at a time"
I like your list...some good options on there
Just imagine if the Panthers signed OLB McIntosh, CB Thomas and DT Pat Sims. Now what is your perspective on the draft?
Radically different
I’d focus on depth on the lines at that point. And if were able to trade back and get extra picks? I’d have to say that Hurney had a damn good offseason.
McIntosh is a guy that’s pretty intriguing to me. While I prefer Lawson due to his versatility, McIntosh is the classic buy-low option.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 10, 2012 8:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Agreed.
Like Jake’s reply. If the Panthers were able to pull that off, would like to see them spend picks on getting younger on the O-Line and more depth in the linebackers/secondary, since we were practically depleted last year.
by pantheredgar on Jan 16, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Good options to look at especially for ST
I am curious, is there any talk of restructuring a couple ofcontracts to free up some money?
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by Disciple of Carolina on Jan 10, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions
Nothing has been let out from the organization officially but there are always rumours
The biggest one is Davis. He has stated that he is willing to restructure his contract. He said he love the organization, doesnt want to move, and wants to play. He is do a lot of money next year but he is expected to restructure for $1-2 mil. Steve Smith is also expected to get an extension. He is set to make $7.75 mil. I expect him to sign a contract in the neighborhood of 4 years 25 mil. giving him around $6 mil per year, that could help the cap depending on if it is front or back loaded. Nothing has been said about it but some expect Wharton to restructure. He is due $5.7 mil next year and it even goes up to $5.9 mil the following year. Many also expect Baker to be cut as he is to make just over $1.5 mil.
Sims and Thomas seem like the best option
Hurney basically said straight out “No big name FAs” but these 2 guys shouldn’t come with an over welming price tag and they would open up many options. Both of these guys could start. Thomas would take the #2 spot with our CB corps looking very strong with Gamble and Thomas out side and Hogan, Munnerlyn, and Butler competing for Nickel and Dime spots. Sims would take over at NT (what Edwards was supposed to do last year) with him there McClain and Neblett could compete for the other spot. Edwards could either be cut or stay as a veteran NT rotational player. Fua and Shirley would compete for backup NT. With just these do guys we could really open up our draft board. our 2 biggest needs (CB & DT) are filled and we can put our draft focus much more heavily on BPA. Thomas has even more benefit when you add in the special teams implications. With Munnerlyn no long in the starting role he can become a fulltime special teamer, he is a beast in special teams and would really help out kick and punt coverage.
Good research,
good post . I feel better about the DT postion after seeing some of our guys step up, plus some good options are available at an ok price. I personally didn’t believe we would go that route in the draft anyway. Hopefully we can bring in one of those safties to at least open up some competiton. I will be very interested to see what is done at linebacker, even though a lot of it seems to depend (as always lately) on how much 3-4 we want to mix in next year. I would be nervous about taking a corner just coming off of injury since we already have one of those (albeit unproven).
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by carolinapillpusher on Jan 10, 2012 10:18 AM EST reply actions
Would love Sims, particularly since there's a better chance he'll be available than most of these guys anyways...
Okoye would be an interesting one as well, although something tells me someone is going to splurge a bit on him (not ridiculously, but more than what his production would merit) based on his age and physical skills. Thomas would be nice but I doubt he hits the market, ditto for Lawson. I used to like Mcintosh a bit when he played for the Skins, but towards the end of his tenure there his lack of real top end speed got exposed more and more, so I don’t think he’d be an upgrade over what we already have. I’m going to take a wild guess and say Fox doesn’t let Bunkley leave unless its for some outlandish amount of money, considering he’s been such a huge piece on the interior of that line…
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Would love Sims as well
New member here, but I’ve been a reader for quite a while. Do we have a rough idea of what type of money Sims may be looking for? I’ve seen Devon Still mocked to us in several drafts now, but I think that’s quite a reach. I think with McClain and Neblett showing some positive signs, Sims could fit in perfectly.
I'm sure he won't be terribly cheap...
but I think it’ll be within our range at least
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by Tomthehomer on Jan 10, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome Hasty! I agree Sims would be a great pick-up at the right price. Depends on how the bidding wars evolve.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
off season acquires
great suggestions. there are a number of players who will fill spots. the problem is that the panthers are always absent in the fa market. if you watch the wires, they are one of the least active out there. the team isn’t so great that they dont need to make substantial moves. getting them to do it is anoother thing
When there's been the need, we've spent.
And we spent on solid players, not all-out studs. I think the list reflects that.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 10, 2012 4:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Great Article!
That’s really all I had to say. Thank you.
I don't like trying to fill spots on our team with back up players.
Isn’t that what we tried this season? If we are going to go with other teams back up players, we may as well stick with our starters and coach them up in this off season. By our starters, I mean players like Bell, Fua, McClain, the rookies we drafted to play those spots. If you’re talking about bringing back up players to play back ups, then I am all for it. I just think if we plan to use the guys we drafted we need to coach them and let them play with the first team to get up to speed with the first team.
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i think a lot of players on our team deserve more time to develop
But some teams are just better at evaluating, drafting and developing talent at certain positions than others. Kearse, a PS player for Miami could potentially become a starter for us. If a ‘backup’ from another team has shown promise with significant PT it would be foolish not to bring em in to compete, ya know? Though I do agree that a lot of current Panthers fans forget how young some of our players are. They still have a lot of developing left
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by mcdonaldwr on Jan 10, 2012 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Instead of picking up Conner Barth
Why don’t we wait till next year and pick up Casey Barth… The younger option and he’s pretty much a clone of his brother
by rscott94 on Jan 10, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
jarty...lol, I like that
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Garay >>> Ron Edwards. Let the bidding go forth, then come in late and steal him for 1 or 2 years, reasonable price.
He’s getting long in the tooth, but really hasn’t lost that much tread on the tires due to limited action in his early career. Garay’s still putting up good numbers. If we can get him for “Edwards Money” it’s a great deal.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Great list.
Would love any of the guys to shore up Special Teams.
Man, if we could figure out a way to pick up Lawson, Breesus would have to think twice before throwing to Teddy Grahams. I know Davis will be shutting him down if healthy, but I don’t think that we should gamble on that leg holding up. I want him on the team as long as he wants to be here, but I can’t imagine he would get upset if we hope for the best but plan for the worst.
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Oh, and Barth would be a coup
But Tampa has to throw some of that money they are sitting on at him.
Right?
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Considering the fact that they signed their punter to a 20 million dollar deal,
I think they will give Barth a hefty offer.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 10, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
If TD Returns He Should View His Job As A Player Coach, To Help Share His Knowledge With His Backups
Like Jason Williams (6-1, 244, 4.44-40), or any WLB they might draft.
by PanthersRoar on Jan 10, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Pat Simms and Lawson
would be great. Then we’d just need a CB, pass rushing DT, rotational DE, and a new safety to put a fire in Sherrod’s pants. I think that would be doable in the draft. If you add the needs of the OL though…
Excellent article.
Doubt Bunkley will be on the market though as much as I’d like him. Broncos only traded for him this year.
Gregory, Thomas, and Sims would be my wish list.
Gregory, I think we can realistically sign. He would provide an adequate starter at Safety with Godfrey, and I think we could sign him for cheap.
Thomas is probably my favorite player on the FA market, but I still think it would take the big bucks to sign him away from New York.
Sims would be a great addition to our defensive interior, and realistically, I think we could sign him to a medium sized deal and bring him in to start next to Neblett.
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by Son of a Newton on Jan 10, 2012 4:00 PM EST reply actions
Easy now fella,
but I still think it would take the big bucks to sign him away from New York.
that might be considered racist
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by MrBernz on Jan 11, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait... the NFL isn't modern slavery... Adrian Peterson was wrong???

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by Son of a Newton on Jan 11, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Manny Lawson… simply because I graduated from EWHS… and because he could help the team out.
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by BSKincaid on Jan 11, 2012 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope these guys are eager for Carolina home cooking
I love your shopping list, particularly your DT’s and Thomas. Until we let some people go, we have shallow pockets for FA.
I liked Lynch when KC drafted him: I thought he was worth the pick when I saw the Michigan game. I know he’s not a first string NFL Safety but he has his moments and he is a standout Special Teamer. If we’re interested in him, family could bring him home: he’s Franklin Graham’s son-in-law.
Your FAs will definitely fill holes, but I want an impact Safety — Mark Barron: he’s rated at 36 in the draft but I don’t see him slipping out of the first round. Your Thomas pick-up could be strong enough to allow us to pass on Dre K and allow a Beason-type trade down for Barron and make up for our missing 3rd.
I'm ignorant. Who is Franklin Graham?
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Billy Graham’s son.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 12, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the feedback and recs, guys!
I appreciate it!
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And didn’t even realized I had been put on the front page!
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Get with the program, Jake.
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Appreciate it BD
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Very interesting FA class.
I really like Manny Lawson’s versatile game. He’d be the perfect replacement for TD and would be a great fit in McD’s defense. Dude’s a beast. McIntosh isn’t a bad consolation prize at all. Solid player who quietly goes about his business and does his job.
Of course there’s Akoye. Pat Sims is just what the doctor ordered for this defense though. Bungles let J. Joseph walk last year, perhaps they slip up again? I doubt the Broncos let Bunkley go, though I’d love to have him.
Gregory would be a great sign too. Come in and know the defense and give us another option in the defensive backfield; Sherrod, ughh. Thomas could be a steal and he played great last year (if I have a second team, the Giants would be it). Should be all ready for training camp too considering he tore up his knee late in preseason/first game of the year, don’t really recall which.
If we don’t sign any of these guys though, we need to get some gunners in here ASAP! Would like to see Shaw back in the black and blue. Of course, getting people healthy and adding a little depth/a starter here or there will go a long ways towards fixing our woeful special teams. Cap’n, Barnidge and Senn should provide a boost.
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I worry only about Thomas' knees and Gregory's skills. I do like Sims at NT, if the price is okay.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Great post!
Awesome list of “realistic” signing for the Panthers. Though I would love to see them pluck Cliff Avril, Carl Nicks, Brent Grimes, it probably isn’t like with Carolina’s FA history and current salary cap status.
Of your list, like Sims and Lawson the most, if indeed Lawson was good at shutting down TE’s (gotta find a way to slow Jimmy Graham, Tony Gonzalez, and Kellen Winslow). Feel like McIntosh got killed when Carolina played the Redskins, so I’m not very high on him.

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