This is One Panthers Offseason Like No Other
Remember the days when after final roster cut down we might add one or two players to the 53 from other team cuts and maybe a couple unknowns to added to the practice squad? These were almost always additions to bolster depth or special teams. That's certainly not the case in 2011 after the offseason got severely shortened due to the lock out. I expected the team to be behind the eight ball with regards to installing schemes on both sides of the ball. What I didn't expect was to still have glaring holes in the starting line up at several positions. But that is our reality and we look at this 53 man roster with the season opener a scant six days away.
Since Saturday the Panthers have added a CB, S, DE, two Gs, WR and tried to add a DT (but failed physical) and most likely still will try to add one again. That's 7 players for those that didn't bother counting. That's on top of the two UDFA's that made the roster (so far). Most of these players can get in the rotation and actually might see the field in week 1.
I fully expected the Panthers to struggle to get their schemes installed with the compressed schedule but I never expected the roster to be in such a state of flux so close to the opener. To be fair the starting line-ups now appear to be fairly intact outside of the mentioned DT position. The Panthers might wait a week but we could certainly and probably will have a new starter on the defensive line come the Green Bay. Boy that will be a trial be fire.
Though the Panthers starting line up appears set in most cases questions marks remain. Will CB Captain Munnerlyn remain the starter past week one? Who going to win the RG spot? Who's the #2 WR? Are we really going to start two rookies at DT? I'll take a stab at these questions...after the jump...
Question 1: Will CB Captain Munnerlyn remain the starter at CB past week 1?
Though the conventional answer is 'No' I think a lot depends on how he plays in week 1. If the Cardinals are able to isolate Munnerlyn on Larry Fitzgerald and make hay I think you'll see the Panthers suddenly decide they need more help. If he performs well and doesn't give up an bad plays they just might let it ride a couple more weeks to see how he fares.
Question 2: Who will start at RG?
Though Max Jean-Gilles seems to be the proto-typical RG with his size and 'road grader' disposition I think in the end Geoff Hangartner's affinty with the other 4 starters on the line will win out. I believe it was James who pointed out that at the end of 2008 the Panthers starters the current line with Hangartner at RG for two games with smashing results. Jean-Gilles might eventually win the spot over time but my guess is 'Piggy' is money in the bank at RG.
Question 3: Who will start at #2 WR?
As much as we have railed on WR Brandon LaFell's inability to impress in the preseason he is still listed at #2 WR on the Panthers depth chart and I don't expect that to change. The fact is with the presence of two effective TE's, Steve Smith and RB's that can catch the ball I don't see a #2 WR getting many targets in OC Rob Chudzinski's offense. Hence the fact LaFell is an ardent blocker and is known for making the critical catch in pressure situations I think he holds onto his job for now.
Question 4: Are we going to start two rookies at DT?
I don't see this happening. Both of the rookies and 2nd year player Andre Neblett will see playing time but we've already seen the Panthers try to bring in a vet DT, although unsuccessfully. Who that is at this point is completely unknown though we've heard rumors of some NG has been looked at. We had better hope so because the DL got gashed during the preseason against the run so you can bet the Cardinals will try run all day long.
Yes my fellow Panther fans it has been a preseason like no other and the craziness is not over. The notion that we will wait one game to bring in a DT so we don't have to guarantee the whole contract smells of 'throwing away' a game for financial reasons. I guess when you're coming off of a 2-14 season with little expectations you can do that. It seems fitting in this whirlwind of activity and unexpected change but I just don't know how to feel about this team with some much up in the air. I guess I'll stick to me 6 win prediction but it's so hard to judge.
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6-8 wins this year… we have played much better at home in the preseason than on the road. that seems to be par with young teams….
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Do you guys think bringing in a DT so close to the opener
will make a big impact? I always thought the fat guys in the middle had a relatively easy job in regards to learning playbooks. I assumed all they had to do was be big and strong to hold the point of attack.
Scheme isn't that complicated, just know gap responsibilities and assignments for given plays
But even so that’s an incredibly short period of time to learn a system, personnel groupings and verbiage.
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Not this week
Mainly due the talent that will be added. I think after week 1, we’ll add an old fat guy (eg like Pat Williams or similar) who will be a more dominant force.
Wont make any impact but we have to get someone else for depth purposes
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Didn't they bring in
Frank Kearse from Miami since that one dude failed the physical? They say he’s a raw talent and may need work, but I think he’s kind of huge.
by IsaidgoodDAY! on Sep 6, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I rhink the RG position has been ably handled by the FO and I think they have to trust their
scouting dept and coaching staff for the CB position. However, the DT position has been almost a comedy. I can’t imagine we’ll go into Sunday with 2 rookie DTs, but what are our options really? Thankfully AZ hasn’t been much of a run first team of late, but they may well try to be should we start 2 rookies.
I think in time the guys we drafted may pan out just fine, but most DTs take time to develop. If they do start here’s hoping they are able to step up!
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I have a terrible feeling that we are going to make Beanie Wells look good on Sunday
And it sickens me.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
...yeah me too :-(
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I'm holding out hope that the rooks won't make Wells a star.
I don’t believe they lack usable talent, just experience. Since they’ve been getting a lot of snaps this preseason, that hopefully helps. I’m more interested to see the real defensive scheme / game plan, and how much blitzing they’ll do, including run blitzes.
The Panther’s DT issues are going to make a lot of fantasy football fans happy the first couple of weeks… until the get some replacements and fill in that line, there isn’t going to be much of a run D… we’ve already seen that.
I think BAMF and Hurney will be addressing that ASAP and also during the draft. Hopefully Hurnety won’t trade away a lot of picks to get a DT.
The thing we haven't really seen
Is what effect the blitz packages will have on the run defense. There was very little of that in the preseason and it’s been said that they will blitz as often as 60-70 % of the time
I predict that
our Defensive play calling will be very aggressive and blitz happy. I’m thinking that will help these two young DTs with the run. CJ and the Kraken will provide the pressure too. Who know’s, maybe McClain will step up in a game that matters.
CAN'T WAIT!
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I think more blitzes and some stuff we didnt get to see in preseason will come out
I am more optimistic than some on here about our ability to stop or limit their run as well. We have to shut down LF though.
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McDermott effectively said that they have to play well enough to be able to blitz
That was one of the reasons we didn’t blitz as much, was because we weren’t playing D well enough to get away with it.
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Then we're definitely screwed.
Teams will run down our throats all season long. It will be tough but I’ll still suffer through all the games.
I'm really quite petrified w/ the current DT situation.
A 10-yr.-old Pop Warner kid would look like the lovechild of Emmitt Smith and Walter Payton against us as it stands. The Steelers double- and sometimes triple-teamed CJ and Hardy, and the DTs still couldn’t get off their one-on-one blocks. I can deal with that very short-term if we get a quality vested vet after that. Can we just move Pugh up to LB and stick Connor and Thomas Williams at DT? LOL. (I’m kidding.) I think Fua, McLain, and Neblett can eventually be good for us, but it’s dangerous to roll w/ just them and another scrub odd the street when your defense is predicated on disrupting the QB. You can’t blitz on every down.
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by jamiedk on Sep 6, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
* "off the street"
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
by jamiedk on Sep 6, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My guess is (like others have said) that we'll pick someone up in the next week or two
However, I wouldn’t be surprised if our rookies continue to get the starting nod as injecting a new starter too quickly may just cause more confusion and produce even worse results. We’ll see, though. We have to get through 1-2 games with the players we have and see what adjustments the staff makes after that.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 6, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What nobody seems to realize is that...
the Panther coaches and front office may not be so wrapped up in winning this year as the fans are. They are coming off of a 2-14 season, shortened offseason, starting a rookie QB and still trying to fill holes in the starting lineup. I believe that Rivera is much more concerned with trying to see what he has on the current roster and allowing young players to develop rather than bringing in a vet to plug a hole for one year. You can see it in the players they picked up after cuts were made. Most of them were 1st or 2nd year players. They are looking for talent they can develop. It’s going to be a tough year from a fan perspective, especially for the first 8 games. I don’t see us bringing in a one year vet unless we are just getting killed at a certain position. As long as we are able to somewhat compete, they will probably just go with the young guys this year to see if they can play. They may address one or two positions, but I doubt it will be with a high priced vet for only 1 year.
I don't believe the FO is operating in total rebuild mode.
Of course the organization wants to win this year, and they believe they can. Rivera threw out that comment about 10 wins before the preseason, and I haven’t heard anything from him that would suggest that that he no longer believes that’s achievable. What I do buy in your argument is that they don’t think they are just a player or two away from having a potential SB team, and so they’ll look toward the future in any signings they make. But the Shockey and Ron Edwards signings are evidence that they want the right player, even if he is older and more expensive and only signs for one year.
Perhaps with the exception of Green Bay, I see no unwinnable games on the schedule. But you’re right, the first half of the season will be tough from a fan’s perspective. Everybody is still learning, particularly the QB. But there is significant core talent on this team, and we’ll see a winning record in the final 8 games.
Any word on Alex Brown?
Really wish we had a reliable backup for CJ so he could move inside in certain situations. IIRC, he did pretty well inside last year.
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