Its back to work again at DT - Harrison failed his physical
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Maybe we should have held onto Balmer a bit longer...
At least he could pass a physical…This is bad, bad news…How many DT’s do we have on the active roster? 3?
i vant igor
still available?
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
We are not bringing in a CB
Captain and Gamble are the starters… And Godfrey will play CB
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Carolina’s plan going into the season is to bring in Jordan Pugh in nickel packages. Pugh will serve as the strong safety, Sherrod Martin will slide over to free safety and Charles Godfrey will move from free safety to cornerback."
by rscott94 on Sep 5, 2011 6:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mentioned this in the fanshot... but just to avoid confusion...
Godfrey will only move to corner in nickel packages. Otherwise, he’s still our starting safety.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 5, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll sign vets after week one
That way their whole contract isn’t guaranteed.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The same guys that are available now.
Pat and Jamal Williams, Olshansky, Harris, et al. It’s very likely that none of them will be picked up until after the Week One games are over.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Availibility
Exactly feels like last year when we played scrubs at DT. Landri, Johnson, Hayden etc. We need to stop fixing gun shot wounds with cotton balls and masking tape.
Exactly
Get them while they are there. Like waiting for something to go on sale, then everyone wants it. Maybe pay a little more and make sure you get what you want, they got the cap space. Get them in and learn scheme.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
by gdhood on Sep 5, 2011 8:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing with you
I’m just saying that its unlikely that we bring anyone in until after this week.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Tommy Harris
Harris was cut by Indy. BAMF coached him in Chitown. Why arent we even sniffing around there?
Failure to prepare is preparing to fail.
We are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, excellence is not an act, but a habit.
We may be
But you won’t hear about most of these veterans being signed until after Week One is over because then their contract isn’t guaranteed. And let’s face it, not being good enough to play DT for Indy isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Cedric Thornton
UDFA was one of the final cuts made by the Eagles. From what i’ve read, he had a stellar camp and pre-season. Although he is a rookie, he might be worth a look….Perhaps the alphabet soup DT/DE cut by the Chargers (Can’t remember his name).
We Need Help!!!!
If the team wants to get serious front line help no more waivers or cuts. They need to make a serious trade to land a healthy starting caliber DT. I hate to say it but unless you are willing to move Conner and get by with Gaither runing the middle till Beason get’s right than we might have to move a pick or two. Just not our first rounder. I beleive we really need to bring in two more DT’s cause it is just to much to ask two rookies to bare a season’s worth of football on the fron line. I think Fua and McClain will turn out to be solid draft picks in a few years but they both have not had the physical conditioning yet to last a 16 game NFL schedule that is the honest truth. Not a knock on them cause I really like the both of them alot and think they will pan out. No more trying to find the answer on the streets we need grown men up front now.
What we DONT need to do is start throwing away our draft picks
We’ll likely have a top 5 pick… Meaning like #28 and #60. Already gave away our 3rd. Those will be much more valuable then any DT we can get at this point.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Sep 5, 2011 8:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Doh! Meant like #5 and #37
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Sep 5, 2011 8:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol where'd you get 28 and 60 from?
:P
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 5, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
+28
I’d said this in another thread but I believe you said it first. Therefore I agree
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Sep 5, 2011 9:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying give away our 1st or even a 2nd
But if we don’t get solid D line help our LB’s will be getting punished. The team just spent a ton of money on them. Do you really want them taking on big o linemen blocks and getting hurt. If that was to happen then you would have given up a pick in a heart beat.
What difference does it make? We’re not competing this year.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 5, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not in favor ever of putting pro bowl caliber LB's in a tough and dangerous spot.
It does matter for team moral. Winning games and being competive builds a teams confidence. I do not want a repeat of that kind of losing behavior we had last year.
So you’re in favor of sacrificing future success to make a bad team a mediocre one.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 5, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said sacrifice the future?
What would you say if Fua or McClain went down the first game cause they were tired in the fourth quarter and got sloppy and something happened. There goes a future player on the team with a serious injury. You need to protect your investment with solid players to rotate in and out. Look at all the good teams they have a good mix of vets and young talent so that the weight is not all on the rookies or the vets.
You did. Giving up draft picks just to pick up a token veteran for this year would be sacrificing the future.
by SlayerGhaleon on Sep 6, 2011 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Use the reply button please.
And we don’t need to be giving up any picks. We need to be building through the draft, not giving picks away. And in the end we all need to accept the reality that we’re not going to be that good this year. I’d rather be bad and add another building block than add players in an attempt to be mediocre. A rebuilding doesn’t take place overnight, we as fans need to show patience.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with the building through the draft no problem with that.
We just need to remember that our DT’s a rookies do we want to put the wait of the D line on their shoulders already. They need to be the ones the first year giving breathers to the vets up front so they can learn what it is like in the trenches without having to take it on all at once. Trust me these young men are not conditioned for the work load of a full 16 game regular season by themselves. Even Suh had veteren help when he started last year as a rookie.
No, I'm in favor of stop-gaps
But I’m entirely against trading anything for a DT. Bring in Jamal Williams and Igor Olshansky.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand your thinking, But?
I just don’t truly feel Jamal Williams or Olshansky are the answer to this problem. Is that not what we did over the past few years with Lewis, Landri, and Thomas. We need to invest in a quality DT. I was thinking along the lines of Garay, or Matt Toenia from the Bears or even like a Sedrick Ellis of the Saints. I know there price might be steep, but really good DT’s come with a price we might need to bite the bullet on this one if we want a better football team. There also isn’t that many good DT’s projected for next years draft class. I would be willing to fix the problem with something certain than taking a chance on something that may or may not work.
I actually thought it was a mistake to let him walk...
When we found out about it 2 weeks ago. Looking back, I don’t think Landri was as bad as a lot of us thought. IIRC, he had 3 sacks – he did get some pressure up the middle. He’s not a Suh or any other elite DT, and I certainly would like to find a better answer than Landri, but we could do a lot worse…as in relying solely on the 3 DTs we have now.
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by jamiedk on Sep 5, 2011 9:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought we made a mistake keeping Hayden over him.
I wouldn’t mind seeing him back.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually thought it was a mistake to let him walk...
When we found out about it 2 weeks ago. Looking back, I don’t think Landri was as bad as a lot of us thought. IIRC, he had 3 sacks – he did get some pressure up the middle. He’s not a Suh or any other elite DT, and I certainly would like to find a better answer than Landri, but we could do a lot worse…as in relying solely on the 3 DTs we have now.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
by jamiedk on Sep 5, 2011 9:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Apologies for double-post.
Mods – feel free to delete.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
by jamiedk on Sep 5, 2011 9:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I actually thought it was a mistake to let him walk...
When we found out about it 2 weeks ago. Looking back, I don’t think Landri was as bad as a lot of us thought. IIRC, he had 3 sacks – he did get some pressure up the middle. He’s not a Suh or any other elite DT, and I certainly would like to find a better answer than Landri, but we could do a lot worse…as in relying solely on the 3 DTs we have now.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
by jamiedk on Sep 5, 2011 9:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's thrice now...
:P
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 5, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL...
No idea how that happened. My phone and I are both full of major fail.
And I wrote “2 weeks ago” when I meant" a few weeks ago." That fail is all on me. =)
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
by jamiedk on Sep 5, 2011 10:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess I can forgive you on that one.
:)
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 5, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I like how it says "via mobile"
Typing with thumbs on stupid phones that think they are smart leads to all kinds of unplanned fun.
by Panthster on Sep 6, 2011 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can say that again
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by cedaghost on Sep 6, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No
No trading of draft picks unless we’re getting a steal ala Olsen. Pick up some stop gaps that can rotate with the rookies and keep the run defense from bring outright shit.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we play the first couple games before you say we need to accept that we will be sorry this season.
You think our players say, “Hell we’re going to be sorry so no need for us to even try out here then”. If we end the season with a top five draft pick so be it, but don’t say we need to accept it before the first damn snap of the season.
by jwalkingincarolina on Sep 5, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you think that way
And I’ll be realistic. I’m a firm believer in the “any given Sunday” mentality but as it stands we’ve got a rookie project at QB, no clear #2 WR, horrendous DT’s, very mediocre depth in the secondary, and the toughest schedule in the league. I’m going to pull for my team just as hard as anyone else on Sundays, but I’ll be happy with six wins.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm realistic and I know our flaws
But last year was last year…toughest schedule don’t really mean much till season gets going cause we don’t know how good these teams will be yet. What is it 5 or 6 teams don’t even make playoffs the next season. Let us play a few before we become “happy” with six wins. Nobody knows what we will look like yet.
by jwalkingincarolina on Sep 5, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed These guys want to win.
Especially after last season’s debacle. That ‘s why I beleive you add the missing piece’s needed for them to be sucessful now and build toward’s a winning future. I think this team can be successful this year cause everyone in the media say’s we are going to be bad I don’t beleive it. I think we will take some lumps but our rookie QB has a winners mindset we did not have that over the last few season’s. That will make alot more difference than people in the media know. Bye the way a rallied and hungry locker room is a dangerous locker room for other teams to face.
Kind of ironic...
if you ask me, last year are offense was suspect and our defense was good…this year our defense will not only be suspect, it will be criminal and our offense will be adequate.
If We have first 5 draft picks this year, we should be good for some years. My Fantasy.
1 CAR Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
2 DEN Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
3 BUF Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
4 CIN A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
5 ARI Patrick Peterson, CB,
Would a steady 3-4 set up alleviate the DT issue?
But I don’t think we have too many DTs familiar at being a nose tackle. Times like this I am glad I am not a GM.
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Sep 5, 2011 9:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No, we don't have the personnel for it.
Don’t have a NT, don’t have the right kind of DE’s and while Davis/Anderson are great 4-3 LB, they’d be WAY out of place in a 3-4.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Wait... what?
Honestly, we’re not contenders this year anyway. I don’t see much use in 1-year stopgaps (with the exception of the O-line so that Newton can learn something besides what a 320 lb lineman feels sitting on you).
The only reason I can see using one year stop gaps
Is that by bolstering the defense, you are making Newton’s transition easier. Instead of throwing 40 times a game trying to catch up, he’s building leads and protecting them while riding a strong running game and defense. It worked for Roethlisberger and Flacco.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 5, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Another reason
is that you’re not throwing some rookies into the fire. You work them in and give them on-the-job training instead forcing them into full-time duty automatically. Especially when it’s evident that they’re not ready.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Granted, we are throwing Newton into the fire
I’m not opposed at all to getting what we can to fill spots, but it’s not like this is a priority. I would think that this year our priority would be in making sure our team (especially the rookies) gets some much needed experience learning the new system and that everyone comes away from this season healthy and ready to build on it into the next season.
DT Frank Kearse (6-4, 315, 5.30-40, Only 22 Bensh Reps) Of Alabama A & M, #231 Pick
If they were going for a rookie DT, why not a big NT like Anthony Gray 95-11 3/4, 330, 5.17-40, 39 bench reps) of Southern Miss? Gray was better in every Combine event than Kearse, except the 3-cone drill (7.93 to 7.80).
Probably something they saw in scouting for the draft.
Combine results aren’t everything, you know. Some guys have bad workouts but end up as good players. Some guys are workout warriors but end up as bums.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 5, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Or John McCargo. Or Kentwan Balmer.
The list goes on. We need to avoid them.
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What is it with this odd obsession with combine stats?
I really don’t get it… It’s like some people believe the combine is the end-all, be-all of NFL careers…
Tell that to every 5th, 6th, and 7th round starters that have ever played.
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The only NFL experience either Gray or Kearse have comes from 4 preseason games, playing against other backups that didn’t survive the final roster cut.
The chance of players making it in the NFL drops with eack round of the draft.
Why do “some people” avoid Combine Information like the plague?
Information enlightens, and improves decision making, do you only bet the longshots at horse races?
By your logic the Panthers should just fire all their scouts, sign only players who run so slow they can be timed with a sundial, can’t lift more than a plate of food, jump higher than the first inch, and miss their ideal position weight by 100 pounds more or less.
So I'm new to Pantherdom
(and football in general, baseball is my sport) but I don’t need to speak the lingo to recognize that argument is beyond facetious. Combine information is only part of it. Unless someone is blatantly not able to manage the physical requirements of a position, work ethic and football IQ can level the playing field quite a bit. Some guys can’t be coached up to their athleticism and some guys will always play better than their physical tools seem to suggest. If the coaching staff and scouts think one player had a future and another doesn’t, without clear indicators otherwise, we might as well give ’em the benefit of the doubt.
by McExpos on Sep 6, 2011 5:37 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
The issue isn't with the information presented
It’s that its the only information you use. At absolute best the Combine is only 50% of player evaluation and its top performers have no guarantee of success in the NFL. Usain Bolt would probably perform very well in the Combine, but he’s not a football player. The Combine measures athleticism, your game film measures what kind of player you are.
If you were presenting a brief scouting report along with the always-present combine info, I don’t think anyone would have said a word.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 6, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ya
In business, it’s kind of like a degree from a good college (good combine) vs a prospect with good work experience (good football skills). You can be good at one and fail at the other. Neither ensures your success, but both should be used as guides to predict your impact with the current job (team).
by Panthster on Sep 6, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's a strawman fallacy in your last paragraph.
The combine is a useful measure of a player physical ability. But that’s not the only aspect of being a good NFL player. Technique, mental aptitude, and heart all have to be taken into account. Perhaps Kearse uses his hands better than Gray, and we saw that while watching film. That is the main problem people have with some of your posts, it’s that you seem to view the combine as the end-be-all to player evaluation. I don’t dispute it’s useful, and I rather enjoy the information, but you can’t make a final player evaluation on a guy just based on what he does in shorts.
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by Flowing Willow on Sep 6, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Your Right "Jake", But To Include A Long Scouting Report Would Make The Post So Long No One Would Read It, If You Want A Full Scouting Report Go To NFLDraftScout.com
I would even say the Combine results are no more than 1/3 or 1/4 of the process, becuse you have to watch the game tapes to see if that track speed shows up on the field. You almost never see the long strides of a 40 time on a football field, and sometimes those track speed guys windup taking baby steps on the field, but some slow players do also. The Senior Bowl and other All-Star games are the best measure of a players talent, Games a little less than the week of practice, because the players are going up against equally talented players. Game tape is a great measure of a player’s talent, but even against the top college teams they face only a few players with NFL level talent.
It’s all a filtering process, the on field performance comes first, then the All-Star Games (where it’s discoverd that many OT’s are RT’s only, without the speed and quickness to protect against edge rushers for example), then at the Combine the numbers are filtered again, by eliminating the players that don’t possess the time tested measurements required for NFL success, and the on filed drills at the Combine are just as important as the measured events (for example, can the DB’s flip their hips in coverage). Then the secret part we don’t see, player interviews, drug test, medical exams, Wonderlic test, etc. Josh Barrett is a great example of how closely the players are watched at the Combine, , after running a 4.35-40, as a 6-2, 225 pound SS, he was shown laughing and joking and it was said that attitude would cost him in the draft, and it did, falling to #220 (mid 7th round).
Combine results are just the quickest short hand way to see if a player possess the basic skill set for his position. What really kills me is the same people that complaine about Combine stats offer nothing more than their own unsupported opinions to counter them. If you have a problem with Combine Stats, then comback with some facts of your own to disprove it, and not just a silly story about a Pro Bowl player like James Harriason that was undrafted, and cut several times, but the player being discussed, you can always find a few exceptions to anything.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 6, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
My only beef with it is that it makes posts harder to read when talking about multiple players. But it’s nice info to have.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 6, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't have to use quotation marks,
I assure you that’s my real name lol. And I did say a small scouting report. Also, nobody is debating the facts of the Combine results, they are what they are. But I for one question their usefulness at this stage.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 6, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
back on topic
look for panthers to bring in a solid veteran DT week 2, for contract purposes; then we have to cut either one of the new CB’s (butler or thomas, or Stanford) or look elsewhere like maybe put brockel on the PS.
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My bet is Brockel to the PS
I dont think they want to cut anyone loose. Personally I think we could use 2 more DTs.
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