Some observations of the Rivera era

by magicman56 on Sep 4, 2011 7:06 PM EDT

It's interesting to see some differences in philosophy emerge under Ron Rivera vs. John Fox

1. Rivera has high standards that supercede loyalties. If he doesn't have the right DT's or DE's, he cuts and looks elsewhere. He doesn't look to keep marginal players year after year (think Dwayne Jarrett). Brown's gone, Irvin's gone, Sutton's gone.

2. Wants size vs. undersized players. Goodbye Brown, hello Norwood, etc. WR are bigger as well.

3. Going for more toughness to. Guys like Brockel and Harsock.

Overall, I like the changes and his no nonsense approach.

Your thoughts?

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Think this could be THE wake up call

It definately is not about loyalty it is about results. He is truely a BAMF. He is sending a message about what he expects. i.e. get gashed by the run? You not only CAN be replaced, but you WILL be replaced.

by Spanglerb on Sep 4, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions

actually

you may not even be replaced… you might just find yourself out on your ass.

by Floods on Sep 9, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions

BAMF.

by Blacmomba on Sep 4, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions

Hard to tell much from 4 preseason games and one draft

But he is a breath of fresh air after last year

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by manu4t on Sep 4, 2011 8:24 PM EDT reply actions

"magicman56", How Is 6-1, 256, Smaller Than 6-1, 242?

Brown was a step or 2 short on his pass rushes, able to get pressure, but few sacks. Norwood just isn’t big enough for 4-3 DE, unless he sets up wide in a 9 technique, avoiding the OT, as a situational pass rusher, and lacks the power to overcome 60 to 90 pounds heavier OT’s head on.

by PanthersRoar on Sep 4, 2011 9:38 PM EDT reply actions

The Norwood's comparison's irrelevant, anyway.

It’s George Selvie who should be compared to Brown, as that’s who they just got to take his place as backup DE.

Selvie’s 6’4", 245, BTW.

by bigdavis on Sep 4, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions

John Fox was like Tom Landry in one important way

Foxy had a good system. Landry had a good system. Landry wouldn’t change…he just found the right guys to execute it, and then he won superbowls. Foxy also believed in his system. But Landry understood the value of a superior QB, and got Staubach. Foxy’s system would’ve worked perfectly with the right guys. When you don’t have the right guys, though, in today’s NFL, you have to adjust. Foxy refused to do that. It seemed that his gameplan was the same his last game in Carolina as his first.

I think Rivera is as loyal as Foxy. That’s why he brought in Nanee. The only vets he’s cut are vets brought in during the Foxy era.

But I do agree he is a breath of fresh air. I think Foxy’s system will never win a superbowl. I think Rivera, Chud and McDermott are gonna win multiple championships.

by usana_gaines on Sep 4, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions

Fox's best/only shot to win a SB was 2003

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by KaiserBromley on Sep 5, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

BAMF

A change we can believe in…

by MidnightDrifter on Sep 5, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions

RR is also going more with youth than aging vets

hangartner was an exception due to being one of the guys.

but he is building for a future more than bringing in older stopgaps. i know edwards was older, but besides that, almost every move leans towards building young talent

"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11

by revdwl34 on Sep 5, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions

I don't think I would define Sutton as marginal ..

I think he could start or at least be a #2 RB on most teams. He just got burried in the talent that we already have here…but I agree with everything else you are saying. I’m very excited to see where this goes.

Rocking the boat and righting the ship! Making the moves needed...Go Panthers!!!

by UNCMattyt99 on Sep 6, 2011 4:38 AM EDT reply actions