Curious moves by the Panthers
by James Dator on Sep 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT
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PrintToday ended what will probably be remembered as the worst move of the Marty Hurney era as the Carolina Panthers released DE Everette Brown. Drafted in the second round in 2009, Brown cost the Panthers a 2010 1st round pick as Hurney moved up in the draft to get the Florida State pass rusher. At the time of the selection Brown was thought to be cut from the same cloth as similarly undersized DE Dwight Freeney, but as it turned out he lacked the strength or ability to either rush the passer effectively, or support in the run game. Much like the cuts of Brandon Meriweather and Brandon Tate by New England yesterday this move reeks of the Panthers trying to trade Brown only to not be able to find a partner.
As a replacement the Panthers claimed DE George Selvie off waivers from the St. Louis Rams. A 2010 7th round selection out of South Florida, Selvie played in 16 games last year totaling 21 tackles and 1.5 sacks. At 6'4", 251lbs he's a similarly small DE as Brown, but the Panthers obviously feel like he's a better fit. Furthermore, he does have some familarity with the DL as he played with 2011 3rd round pick Terrell McClain at USF.
More after the jump
Shockingly (to me anyway) the Panthers chose not to place a claim on WR Brandon Tate who heads to Cincinnati. Obviously the Panthers are either happy with their receivers, or have another move prepared.
To bolster the secondary Carolina claimed two players off waivers, the first being CB Josh Thomas a 2011 5th round pick. From what I can tell this is similar tothe move that brought Matt Moore from Dallas to Carolina in 2007. It appears from most sources it was the Cowboys plan to stash Thomas on the practice squad, but clearly the Panthers were interested in his abilities immediately, willing to add him to their 53.
Perhaps the most puzzling move thus far was the signing of S Stevie Brown. If there's one thing this new coaching staff seems to love it's their safeties, as Brown represents the next in a long line of players brought in at the position (Sean Considine, Kevin Payne, Michael Greco). To me, this move likely represents the end of Payne's brief tenure as he was on the bubble during yesterday's cuts. Brown, a 7th round pick in 2010 out of Michigan appeared in 15 games in 2010 where he amassed 30 tackles and 2 passes defended.
We'll update you throughout the day as more moves happen.
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You correctly stated we (probably) weren't able to trade Brown...
…but in effect, we traded him straight up for Selvie.
More precisely, if the Rams pick up Brown off the waiver wire; otherwise, they’re getting nothing (which may be better…)
On Selvie:
From what I can find his scouting/resume reads a lot like Greg Hardy’s did “A 1st round talent with 7th round motor”.
It appears BAMF and co will try to motivate him.
"7th-round talent who had one 1st-round season" is more like it.
Selvie was a 2-star offensive line prospect out of high school and USF was the only school that recruited him. Move to DE, he had a hellacious year in 2007 but less so in 08 and 09, in part due to injury. Definitely not an attitude problem, at least not when at USF. We were glad to see him get picked up.
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does anyone know about that Josh Thomas guy?
"You mad cuz I'm stylin on you...."
by Panther down South on Sep 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Went to the University of Buffalo, fast guy, hard hitter but doesn’t seem to have the best route recognition skills.
Seems like a decent bump corner out of the gate, could develop better corner skills over time.
To paraphrase what I have heard and read so far
An unpolished and undersized high motor guy with a big heart and great attitude.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
sounds like a good ole panther to me
"You mad cuz I'm stylin on you...."
by Panther down South on Sep 4, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We're picking up waver wire guys with upside and small contracts
Honestly I am OK with this. Not gonna hurt if we cut them, and most of the vested vets we wanted are still out there. These guys are young depth, not starters.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
Don't think we'll make any move for a WR
the coaching staff seems content with the guys we already have. I think they’re more inclined to develop the young guys we have than to bring in a WR from outside of the organization
One thing to remember
Waiver wire signings are what you get first. Veterans who have their choice of teams will weigh their options before making a decision, and those signings come later.
Also, Selvie is taller than Brown, not as fast, but better against the run.
Precisely
Fans are freaking out on Twitter, but to me the two biggest moves we need are yet to come. If they can get Olshansky and Hangartner a lot of the problems are solved.
Waiver claims aren’t designed to solve your problems, they’re designed to improve your depth.
I am stepping away from the main subject here...
But i wanted to know are there any famous people who are Panther fans on twitter?…..just curious since I don’t have a twitter
"You mad cuz I'm stylin on you...."
by Panther down South on Sep 4, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm kind of a big deal...
People know me.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Actually Newsinz IS Brooklyn Decker.
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If that were true
the world would be subject to the first ever felony charge of self sexual harassment in history. I’d be banned from all full length mirrors, and all my showers would have to be supervised by local authorities.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
by Newsinz on Sep 4, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
could ya learn to love me? - Old Greg
by numero uno panther on Sep 4, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to agree...
…that Brooklyn Decker’s showers be supervised.
Betcha I have more leather-bound books than she does.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
But she probably has more leather.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
by Rick Bates on Sep 4, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAH
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by Panther down South on Sep 4, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Do I overrate Avery?
I feel like he’d be an immediate help, but I get what you’re saying.
"I’m not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."
by Schrute Bucks on Sep 4, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
makes sense
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by Schrute Bucks on Sep 4, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
j/k, lol
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agreed James
If we could get those two it would upgrade a lot and I think most of us would feel a lot more comfortable going into the season.
Let’s just hope that Hurney has some tricks up his sleeve because if he ends up with just a few nondescript waiver signing it could make for some frustrating games to watch this year.
maybe
But It sure would have been nice to add tate
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by LimeyPanther on Sep 4, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't find the E. Brown cut all that shocking...
I’m sad about E. Brown…he seemed like a hard worker, but he showed no signs of improvement. But I’m not understanding any of the other moves. Especially the signing of another safety,because the coaches have consistently praised the safeties. Is there some injury to Martin? I didn’t see him playing in the last two games – but I may have been too distracted by the horrid DT play and the awesomeness of J. Pugh and T. Thomas. If Martin’s injured, that might explain the safety. Otherwise, it might signal that they’re seriously considering moving Pugh to CB.
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by jamiedk on Sep 4, 2011 2:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Per Steve Reed
Breaking: Panthers have claimed DT Marcus Harrison off waivers from Chicago. There’s your defensive tackle.
!
I need some info on this guy…someone please!
"You mad cuz I'm stylin on you...."
by Panther down South on Sep 4, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Steve Reed
Marcus Harrison (6-3, 216) has played in 37 games with nine starts. He has 55 tackles and three sacks in his three-year career.
Role player, nothing more
BTW
his weight should be 316 not 216. Reed corrected after the first tweet.
Actually reported to camp at 327lbs and out of shape. He wasn't allowed to practice until he got down to 316.
Keep him away from the Hamburgers.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
and for God's sakes, don't tell him about BoBerry Biscuits!
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
6'3", 316lbs
Heading into his 4th season.
Started 9 games for Chicago at NT in 2009, other than that he’s played bit roles.
That's 'A' defensive tackle, not 'THE' defensive tackle.
He’s better than Hayden or Irvin were, nothing more, nothing less…
ha! very aptly put
He better not be ‘the dt’ or ppl will be disappointed. Still the guys know what they are doing.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Sep 4, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We all wanted a big boy to fill the middle
He could do an ok job as a rotational player.
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I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
I guess they think Clowney
I as good a WR for us as Tate would have been…I trust the guys, but i’m not happy about that. Selvie is a guy that I liked. Played in all 16 games for the Rams last season. I’m sure there will be lots more moves to mull over, so let’s just wait and see what we end up with at the end of the day…Harrison not too impressive, but we need bodies at this point…
Bruney back on the PS it seems
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Not very significant.
Think he was due around half a million in base salary.
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Per Steve Reed
One Brown for another? The Panthers are sniffing around free agent DE Alex Brown, a 9-year pro who played under Ron Rivera in Chicago.
This is what I want to see
I really like the idea of starting Alex Brown and Charles Johnson with Hardy and Selvie as backups.
by James Dator on Sep 4, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
@daringantt
Amazing fact I had to look up. Keary Colbert made Kansas City’s 53-man roster. No, really. I thought he was selling insurance.
It's easy to forget that Colbert was REALLY good his rookie season.
No clue what happened to him after that, but he definitely has the ability to succeed in the NFL.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Breaking: Along with Everette Brown, the Panthers have cut WR David Clowney, DE Thomas Keiser, S Kevin Payne and OL Bryant Browning.
With a name like Lesbian I have to be awesome!
by Lesbian Montgomery on Sep 4, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
And picked up Seyi Ajirotutu from San Diego
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by Lesbian Montgomery on Sep 4, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok everybody
you are now free to complain about not getting Tate.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
Donnie Avery is still out there.
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by Lesbian Montgomery on Sep 4, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Seyi Ajirotutu is a WR
was supposed to be a lock to make the Chargers 53 but something changed.
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Isn't that the one James said was like Nanee but Nanee was better.
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by Lesbian Montgomery on Sep 4, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I mean Naanee isn’t as big as Ajirotutu but I’m a little puzzled at this one, especially with Tate available.
That being said, the folks over at Bolts from the Blue seem unhappy he was cut, so I’ll reserve judgement
Hope he gives us at least some production…. I don’t really like the fact that they cut Clowney for this dude.
I think we all became a little too enamored with David Clowney because of this preseason
This is still the guy who did jack squat for us last year.
you can say that about
a lot of players still on the squad
And Seyi Ajirotutu is another big guy for Cam to throw to
LaFell better get his s### in gear. We are bringing in half of SD’s receivers for a look at #2.
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Seyi is also a stand out on STs
Seyi Ajirotutu appears to be a “lock” to make the Chargers’ final roster this year.
Ajirotutu is opening eyes with his coverage skills on kickoffs, and that’s where he’ll make his biggest impact in 2011. A one-week fantasy star last year, Ajirotutu will likely enter the season fifth on the depth chart at receiver. Aug 16 – 1:31 PM
Source: AOL.SportingNews.com
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
good info
special teams is something we dont first think of when we hear of these pickups
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
Although I doubt we'll need "coverage skills on kickoffs." lol. Punts, yes.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Yep
Not happy about cutting Clowney and not getting Tate…
Really surprised about Clowney
especially since we didn’t get anyone with significant upside.
Clowney wouldn’t have done anything special, but he was at his ceiling and probably would’ve been able to produce modestly this season.
From the Panthers FB
The Panthers made five changes to their 53-man roster. They have cut DEs Everette Brown and Thomas Keiser, WR David Clowney, S Kevin Payne and G Bryant Browning. They have claimed off waivers DE George Selvie (Rams), DT Marcus Harrison (Bears), DBs Stevie Brown (Raiders) and Josh Thomas (Cowboys) and WR Seyi Ajirotutu (Chargers). More to come at Panthers.com.
"Excuses are a disease." -Cam Newton
seriously?
Ok, all of these moves seem like move to make BEFORE preseason, for depth durring training camp. Will any of these guys make the 53? I find it hard to believe any of these players will be contributors
jdrahos
I remember Selvie at USF.
Dude was really, really good. Surprised to hear he was only a 7th round pick. We might have a gem with that one.
Probably not though.
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Steve Reed The Panthers are now done with the waiver wire. They claimed five players and cut five players. Here’s the scoop. http://bit.ly/pJDHXV
jdrahos
WHAT!?!?!?!?!?
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by Lesbian Montgomery on Sep 4, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
doesnt mean they are done signing vets FA that were cut yest
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
Wow
I am very disappointed. We had first access to every player on the waiver wire and we got 5 JAG’s.
"Excuses are a disease." -Cam Newton
I guess Pat Williams, Tommie Harris, Hanson, Gurode, Alex Brown and Leonard Davis will be targets?
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by Lesbian Montgomery on Sep 4, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
+ hangartner
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
So, give me your pick for our most likely DT signing, James. I'm curious.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Wasn't aware it was possible for a team to get worse during waivers
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Sep 4, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
selvie for brown, arijanono for clowney
could be construed as step downs, imo
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
I agree
I may be overreacting, but the preseason coupled with these moved leads to my drop in confidence.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Sep 4, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Im begining to agree
payne for brown is a lil confusing, I though he looked good in the last preseason game
by Kmk on Sep 4, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Everette Brown has been mediocre ever since we drafted him. The guy was the 4th string DE at this point, no real loss there.
As for Clowney… I’m a little confused where all the David Clowney love has come from. I understand he did okay this preseason and this is a ‘what have you don’t for me lately?’ league, but he’s still the same guy who did nothing for us last year, can’t run routes and rarely gets separation. Ajirotutu may not be a household name, but he’s a huge target (6’3") and much faster than LaFell. Chargers’ fans are pissed he’s gone, so I’m willing to give the coaching staff who worked with him last year the benefit of the doubt.
i think a lot of people are forgetting clowney's
Time as a jet. He was just as unproductive there in 3 or so years as he was for us last season. I do see potential in him but potential without results is useless. And as a guy who has basically reached his ceiling what good reason was there to keep him? He’s not gnna break out this year and we have other guys with as much ability who hae shown improvements that he hasn’t imo.
by braves&panthers4ever on Sep 4, 2011 3:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Even Clowney himself mentioned in a panthers.com interview
that he has pretty much been a “speed guy” throughout his career (0:32 mark), and needed to put more work in on running routes. We’re not going to always be able to throw long bombs to out routes for TD strikes.
Newton for '11 ROY!
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good point
so alex brown, leonard davis, and hanson are still available at this point ?
by Kmk on Sep 4, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like brockel is a keeper
he did make some crushing blocks last nite
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
That run up the middle was nice too.
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I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
shockey's injury history makes brockel
more likely to stick around too. backup FB, and 3rd TE if shockey goes down
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
weslye saunders made the steelers
steelers = smart
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
simmer down
How many of these guys are actually going to be active game-day? Almost all of these changes are about potential, not starting ability.
The DE change worries me a bit, but I think he was picked up for releif duty on CJ. Norwood and Hardy have shown vulnerable to the run game and as such probably shouldn’t man the LDE position when CJ needs a break. As for DT, I think we picked up an upgrade over the guys we cut. CB/S moves indicate they probably plan to make Pugh a nickle, which I’m perfectly fine with. The only thing that really worries me is OG, but by all indications I don’t think anyone who would fit were available for waivers due to experience.
OG vet is coming
which is really the missing link in our offense, something to look fwd to
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
Once we fix that, we'll be set.
O-line will be better, which means the offense will be better, which means less three and outs, which means a fresher defense late in the game, which means a better defense, which should lead to more wins.
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Players added
Most of the players added today are nothing more than PS players.
Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..
Per PY
Teams can begin claiming players off waivers today. After the waiver process is finished, teams can begin signing unclaimed players to their regular roster or practice squad. Vested veterans with four or more accrued seasons are not subject to waivers and teams can sign them at any time.
James, Maybe i read this wrong..
Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..
It says "unclaimed" players can be added to PS. We claimed these guys today.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
i think it is pretty clear if it wasn’t before this is different era. Without a doubt Ron Rivera’s team
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I don't think this has been posted on CSR yet...
But Josh Vaughan tweeted that he’d been placed on the PS. I’m lucky that my phone is letting me post for the second time today, so I’m not pushing my luck and attempting to link to the tweet. Anyway, I’m glad that we still have him around.
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by jamiedk on Sep 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I've never seen people get so upset over back-ups.
Who did we cut that’s done a damn thing in games? Or better yet, was projected to play a big part on this year’s team? The only thing I’m slightly miffed about is passing on Tate for Alphabet Soup.
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Alphabet Soup...LMAO
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Its impossible to spell his name.
Alphabet Soup is his name now.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 4, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I Like that
Lopez: "I'll stop being lazy and go after every rebound"
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they just call him Tutu.
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I'll be very, very disappointed if we don't bring a veteran presence in at G, DT and CB.
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Aren't you going to be very disappointed regardless?
Kidding…I agree, we need help in those 3 areas.
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What???? Shits easy!
Only games I lose, I beat myself. I have been destroying people on there though. Can’t stop my running game for nothing.
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by Thee Steve Johnson on Sep 4, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He trades Cam Newton, starts Clausen, and runs a WCO dink and dunk…
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Kaepernick. ;-)
Clausen isn’t mobile enough to survive behind this atrocious O-line.
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Ahh...so you got Newton Lite? :-)
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Kinda. I'm actually rollin' with the Rams O at the moment.
Back to Clausen as the starter. K-nick is the backup in case everything goes to hell and I have to make plays with the QB.
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Signing Jake Delhomme to a big contract...
after he shat the bed in the playoffs was the worst move by Hurney. Brown was a close second IMO.
Delholme was a restructuring deal to keep Peppers here
Was also part of the Jr. Richardsons’ tenure. Don’t see them around, do you?
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