Huge injuries at DB for both teams could turn tide of game
Chris Gamble will miss Sunday's game against Chicago after the concussion he sustained last week got worse over the course of the week, rather than better. In Gamble's place Darius Butler will fill the starting role with R.J. Stanford (thankfully not Jordan Pugh) playing the nickel.
The absence of Gamble gives the Panthers a very small collection of cornerbacks. This could be especially concerning if Jay Cutler can get Roy Williams involved, or the CBs are asked to make open field tackles against Matt Forte who will be receiving out of the backfield. Thankfully, both Captain Munnerlyn and Butler looked very good against Jacksonville last week, so hopefully the drop-off wont be too pronounced.
As bad as the injury for Carolina is, for Chicago theirs could be far worse... starting SS Chris Harris is going to miss Sunday's game. The Bears' secondary is in shambles without Harris there to lead them; when he is on the field they are very stout, when he is absent they before very mediocre. Harris would have been instrumental to offer support covering Steve Smith, and be dangerous as a hard hitting safety coming off the edge in blitz packages.
This game just got a whole lot more interesting, and for the Panthers a whole lot easier.
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You’re right. They’re loss is bigger. If there’s a game Gamble can miss, its this one. No offense to Knox and/or Hester.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
by ERL on Sep 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It sucks not having Gamble
But, I think we’ll be alright with Butler and (thankfully) Stanford in the nickel
Any word on Godfrey?
by rscott94 on Sep 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Godfrey
is back at practice and is expected to go Sunday
That'll be big
Their loss is certainly bigger than ours (IMO) but I was thinking I was going to miss Gamble’s physical style of play he had been bringing to the table lately — especially against the run. Having Godfrey back out should help and hopefully Martin will play big too. Both Butler and Standford did well last week so it’ll be telling to see them in larger roles.
"When I've arrived, close my eyes"
+1, we are going to miss Gamble in run support
He has been making big plays on running backs lately, and I was really hoping he would play in this game to give us an extra edge.
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I'm really beginning to think that
“Gamble’s physical style of play” might be the reason he’s having concussion issues.
He’s one of the larger defensive backs in the league, but he’s been slamming into some pretty big bodies. You can be the biggest billy goat gruff in town, but if you start butting heads with freight trains you’re gonna lose every time and have a short career. You’re also gonna get very familiar with the league’s “concussion protocol”.
That headgear Michael Vick is testing and the rib/lung protector Tony Romo is wearing are starting to look pretty smart. It might slow Romo down a bit, but ya can’t run very fast while coughing up blood.
by criolle johnny on Sep 30, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Godfrey gets too big of a rap around here personally
He’s asked to do an awful lot in this defense and covers an extraordinary amount of ground. Yes he goes for the knockout blow too much and can make mistakes, but we are damn lucky to have him
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I feel the EXACT same way.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 1, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
It's too bad about Gamble.
He was having a delightful bounce back season thus far. He has been aggressive and physical, but still disciplined in his responsibilities. His loss shouldn’t be understated. It’s going to hurt. I hope we can get him back for Drew Brees and the Saints, but I’m worried. Concussions can be tricky injuries. It seems as if you either bounce back quickly, or it can linger for a long time. Sometimes years. Just ask Sidney Crosby. The fact that his symptoms are growing worse with time as opposed to better is troubling.
Butler's Better Speed (4.32-40) Might Be A Better Matchup Against Burners Knox & Hester
The Bears big WR’s Bennett and Roy Williams who need a bigger CB like Gamble to cover them may miss the game.
Good point.
Butler is also a guy who, because of his catch-up speed, as able to jam receivers at the line, which both Knox and Hester struggle with.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Jamming the recievers is what we want to do
Martz’s “offense” is based mostly on timing. If the CB jams the receiver, it messes up the timing between the QB and the WR.
Yeah, with Bennett taking a helmet missile to the chest, I don't think he'll be taking the field for a bit.
Williams played last week, but you wouldn’t know it by looking at the stat sheet or watching the game. Bad. He doesn’t appear on the injury report that I see, although whether or not you need someone to cover him is another thing.
Marion Barber might make his season debut on Sunday, though.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
... I guess no completions on four targets tells you he played,
but I hope my point isn’t lost. Didn’t have a good game at all.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like just another Par for Roy "Hobbes" Williams
And I really hope someone sees what I did there.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
Is this a "The Natural" reference?
That’s the only Roy Hobbes I can think of off the top of my head. Don’t see why it would be appropriate though. Granted, it has been something like 20 years since I’ve seen that movie.
I would go with Calvin and Hobbes...
The comic strip where the tiger is alive to Calvin, but a stuffed animal to everyone else.
Williams – alive to the Bears, but not to anyone else.
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by BW Smith on Sep 30, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I knew I could count on you BW.
And to throw in the kicker… He was booted out of Detroit, because of Calvin!
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LOL good point.
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Anybody up for a game of Calvinball? I get to be Calvin...
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If Barber can return to his 2006-2008 form then we gotz prollums.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
You assume the Bears have an offensive coordinator who understands a running game and the use of it.
If the Bears run 20 times this week, I’m sure there will be an investigation, whereupon Mike Martz will be discovered bound and gagged and locked in a utility closet at Halas Hall.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
...
Which would probably be the best thing for you guys. If we’re being honest.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
...
Should I just get measured for my orange jumpsuit now?
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate having Gamble hurt..... BUT
Butler and RJ bring more speed… which is good because that is all the Bears WR’s have.
And I think Chris is faking he just doesn’t want to play against his true team!!!… ps can we have Harris back?
Even though I love the way Gamble has been playing
I dont think he will be missed very much this week bc we are playing the Bears. They could have the worst wide receiving corps in the league and with the Bears horrific o-line (who i beleive will be missing Gabe Carimi this week unless I’m mistaken) allowing Greg Hardy and Charles Johnson to have a field day out there. Anyone want to play a game? Guess how many sacks we will get this week….I’m going to say 4 sack
24
Wait what now?
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It comes full circle... Bears... 24... run game... Mike Martz... looks like elderly lesbian.... BAAAARGH
by James Dator on Sep 30, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Can't.
Richard Dent’s number.
Wait. 99 – Dan Hampton.
… What are we talking about again?
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No number
can possibly capture Al Davis’ true age.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This where the last person who tried ended up...

"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
by ERL on Sep 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
... Divided by zero, he did...
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If only I could have had more time to figure it out...

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by BW Smith on Sep 30, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL. Damn, dude.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Too harsh?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
No
but you shoulda wiped his chin first, at least.
Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)
by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 30, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Never.
You just insinuated that he was smart. I’m sure he took it as a compliment. ;)
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
No way.
Not even Stephen Hawking could discern Al Davis’ real age.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
How bout the number of times he has died and come back, not alive but just, came back.
creepy when you think about it.
Number of souls consumed per day to keep him alive.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No wonder our immigration numbers are down. Ya learn something new everyday.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
I would respond, but it would get political really quickly, and I don't want to go down that road.
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Jerry Angelo agrees
that we do not want to get into that handbasket.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The number 95 is like nerdsniping for a Bears fan. Show them that number and they revert to reminiscing about the glory of the Sack Man himself, and forget to do anything else for quite a few minutes.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, if you guys want to read about how we give up sacks,
my fellow editor and WCG contributor (and guy that actually knows some stuff on an X’s and O’s level) Les runs a weekly segment called Sackwatch where he breaks down who gave up what on each sack. The link takes you to this week’s article; he’s done one after each game.
Week 2 and Week 1 located here too.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That's David Taylor, our graphic artiste.
He does some damn fine stuff.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This would have also been an acceptable picture...

"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
by ERL on Sep 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whos the Bears starting CBs anyway?
Its CAMMY CAM TIME!!!!!
by Tedy_78 on Sep 30, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ball-puncher extraordinare Charles Tillman will be starting opposite Steve Smith
and Tim Jennings will be the number two guy. The corps in general is a bunch of smurfs aside from Peanut and Zackary Bowman.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
When someone is a Smurf to a guy nicknamed Peanut
That is probably not good.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
The Peanut was more about how he was at birth, if I recall right. He looked kinda like a peanut.
He’s actually 6’1", not bad-sized. Jennings is 5’8".
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
careful now, Munnerlyn might want to have a word with you
The leap matters more than the height
Jennings has decent hops and ability to play the ball.
So he plays a little bigger than his height.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks like Omar Epps in this photo.
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Omar Epps would disagree... I think

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I dunno man... I think if Omar Epps were making that same face, we got a dead ringer
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Mike Tomlin agrees though...

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Here's to hoping the zebras aren't the pace setters for this game
Last week was just terrible and really pissed off a lot of people in both fanbases.
Chris Gamble is DOUBTFUL
There is a very small outside chance his symptoms could clear up, but I DOUBT it! (haha)
With Gamble out
are we moving Burney up from the practice squad? I’m interested to see him. I loved the pick up after the draft (i had a 4th round grade on him) and thought he looked good in preseason.
Gamble only has a concussion, he will be back next week and still takes up part of the 53-man roster
Its only when you IR someone and they are done for the year that you get a roster spot for them.
You Can Only Sign A Practice Squad Player To Fill An Open Roster Spot & That Would Require Gamble Or Another Player To Be Cut Or Placed On IR
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
To Me That Would Be A Great Idea, But The NFL Looks At The 7 Gameday Inactive Players For That
They feel teams can just keep injured players on the gameday inactive list if they don’t want to put them on IR, and have another player on their 53 man roster be active on gameday.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I would just like to say
It’s really refreashing to have a guy like Steven Schweickert come on CSR from another team’s blog, Windy City Gridiron, and shoot the sh!t with us. I think it’s awesome that a guy from another site can come on here and not be a dick and actually carry on a great thread with us. That’s cool, man.
Thumbs up!
Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)
by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I just hope its more than a one week stand...
So I can still respect myself on Monday morning.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
So you're gonna start THIS Monday then....
Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)
by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 30, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much, yeah.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
You were just...
Gah, I feel so dirty now…
(/deleting phone number as fast as possible)
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't do that...
ERL tends to be a Stage Five Clinger.
Yeah…one of those.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I power call.
Like 5,000 times per broken relationship.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Ludicrous Speeddialing.
Yikes.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Cutler: We've passed them. Stop this thing!
Martz: We can’t stop, it’s too dangerous! O-linemen we have to lay down first!
Cutler: BULLSH*T! Just stop this thing! I order you, STOP!
- HORRIFIC SACK *
Omiyale: Are you alright sir?
Cutler: Fine. How’ve you been?
Omiyale: Fine sir.
Cutler: Good
Omiyale: It’s a good thing you were wearing that helmet.
Cutler: ….yeah
Omiyale: What shall we do now, Sir?
Cutler: Well, are we stopped?
Omiyale: We’re stopped, Sir.
Cutler: Good. Well why don’t we take a five minute break?
Omiyale: Very good, Sir.
Cutler: …Smoke if you got’em.
***THUD***
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
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by Vagus on Sep 30, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well. Damn. Done.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
1000% Agreed
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Thank ye for the kind words.
You guys have been a blast to hang around with.
Now I guess all that’s left is for Dane to trade a draft pick over here to get me back.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Better throw in a deep dish pizza for each of us over here while you are at it!
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ugh...I hate deep dish pizza.
(No offense Schweickert)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
None taken.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ya and it better be from lou m's
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Sep 30, 2011 5:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How about,
A deep dish, 30 million dollars, 7 1st round draft picks, Devin Hester, Sears tower and Lake Michigan.
Lake Superior is better.
I mean, come on…it’s name is Superior.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Bwahahaha
Either you guys like having me around or I’m being held hostage.
Doable, possible, getting sketchy, overboard, it’s “Willis” Tower now, and how the hell are we going to ship a lake to a place already reasonably close to an ocean? I am but one man with a bucket, sir.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And for the record, this must be how C-3PO felt with the Ewoks.
I’m half-expecting you to round up my WCG-mates and parade them in front of me tied to logs while you prepare a roasting pit.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
As good as Gamble is I don't think we'll miss him too terribly.
Captain is Captain and Butler has the speed to keep up with Hester/Knox. Roy Williams is a non-factor as far as I’m concerned. Soooo glad we won’t be seeing Pugh at the nickel. He’s a solid safety, nickelback not so much. The only place we’ll miss Gamble, as mentioned above, is swing passes/edge runs to Matt Forte as he’s a very solid tackler. Great news that Godfrey will be apparently playing though. As long as we can get good pressure with Big Money and Kraken without having to blitz too often, which I’m almost positive we will, the guys we’ll have in the defensive backfield should be able to do their job just fine.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
I agree.
This is the first game where the Panthers will face a team with no true #1 receiver. Also, as a fan of hard hitting football, I really wanted to see Chris Harris play. I was a huge fan when he was playing for us. That guy had some great hits.
LMAO-LMAO-LMAO
I feel kinda bad we never got a billboard!
This has been a public service announcement.......
The sad thing is....John Fox is right on this one.
Kyle Orton DOES give them the best chance to win in Fox’s offense.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Yeah...if the coaches coach better and the players play better.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
it is what it is!
This has been a public service announcement.......
by CaptainPanther on Sep 30, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
nice
This has been a public service announcement.......
by CaptainPanther on Sep 30, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe We Should Start A Poll On How Many Games Before Fox Is Fired Again?
Broncos WR Brandon Lloyd sounded off on Fox in the last 2 days or so, saying that his early season numbers are down (from 18.8 YPC last year to 12.7 YPC this year) because of the offensive philosophy of coach John Fox/
I believe Fox would have been better off setting out a year or 2, to sudy up on modern offensive and defensive system options, but I doubt he will ever change.
I use to like john fox
like 5 years ago… he has gone down hill from there. But now it’s just sad. he has only coached here in carolina, witch i dare to say, we have med fans compared to other parts of the country! i wont get away there with what he got away with here! the owner WILL FIRE HIM……..LOL, fans do mean somthing to other owners enough to fire a HC in the middle of the season! just not our owner[sorry to say…and i’m ready to hear the JR love] but it is true! JR is frugal with money…with good reason..we are a small market team[until cam explodes] BUT HAIL TO BAMF we couldn’t have a better coach
This has been a public service announcement.......
by CaptainPanther on Oct 1, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
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Fox is stubborn as shit. It’s probably a good thing he’s out in Denver with a stubborn ass horse.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 1, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
off topic, but I'll say again like yesterday....
Otah…aka the big bowl of chocolate pudding…is gonna miss the game. I know I’ll be unpopular for saying this, but oh well: Otah is NOT tough enough to play in this league. Sure, he has the stats. He don’t have the heart.
Is he really going to miss it?
I thought he was going to play and get spelled by Bell?
OK, I just used my Google skills.
He’s listed as questionable but supposedly he’ll play on Sunday. While it may be true about his toughness, I think you have to take into account the fact that the guy is a huge human being. I’m not burdened 300+ pounds of baggage but I have been ruck marching with a heavy pack lately to get ready for SF selection. My knees, ankles, feet, and tendons have been in constant pain/discomfort. I can only imagine what it would feel like to have to tote around excessive weight on a day to day basis.
I routinely carry 350 lbs on my frame...
granted I’m not playing football, but I do just fine. The real comparison is there are other 350 lb athletes in the league with no issues at all. Fortuanately, we have Bell. I think he did just fine as a substitute and if he holds up may be just as good or better than Otah. I know there is a fetish for Otah amongst the ranks, but if you dont play, you dont contribute.
I like Bell's upside.
He could be this years diamond in the rough. Hurney has a knack for some reason of finding good talent in later rounds of the draft or UDFA’s in the past couple of season’s like Hardy, Munnerlyn, Gettis and now I think Bell.
Yeah Bell seems to be a great find.
I really hope the kid does well considering what he’s been through.
The Speed March Trick Is To Know Your Corrrect Pace
Like on the EIB march, I made the 12 mile march in around 2:30 to 2:40 well before the 3 hour limit, and never ran a single step (I wanted to show everyone that you didn’t have to run to average better than 4 MPH). While the SF, Rangers, and the like tried to impress people by starting out running, At the 5 mile mark I was the last man in the whole Brigade by a good margin, but I just kept my pace. Around the 9 or 10 mile mark (in the 100 degree heat) it started looking like a war zone, with those same SF and Ranger types (I’m talking a couple of hundred) laying in the ditches, throwing up, and a constant flow of trucks and medics carrying these guys that had fallen out (in may casses passing out).
To me military intelligence always seemed anything but. Their placing of the tallest soldiers at the front, and the shortest in the back may look good in a parade ground formation, but it’s totally crazy for marching. By putting the tall long striders in front, and the shorter soldiers, with shorter strides in the rear of the formation makes it look like an accordion, as the rear ranks can’t match those long strides, and fall behind, then having to run to catch up.
To me you train to run, and run whenever you need to, but running your troops into the ground for no purpose is simply abuse. I severed under the commander of the ground moble force (used to pick up the prisoners captured by the special ops air moble force) in the origional plans for the “Blackhawk Down” opereation. In that operation he made the exaxct same mistakes (a lack of maps, poor to no commucations net equipment, and losing / leaving behind some of his troops too continue moving) exactly like he had done around 10 or 12 years before. His mistakes were responsible, but he got a movie made about him, and his own 12 inch action figure.
I try to maintain about a 14 min or less pace. I never, ever run during a ruck
march because that will just mess your body up.
That must have been awesome passing those Rangers and SF dudes. I can’t believe they fell out of a 12 mile ruck. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I agree about the line up of troops. Thank God I was one of the taller soldiers so I’m usually near the front.
Are you talking about the CPT? I don’t remember the guys name. It seems like that whole mission was a cluster f$#@. I met the real Eversman that took over for the LT right before the prisoner snatch mission.
He Was A Captain When I Knew Him 10 Or 12 Years Earlier, But A Lt. Col. During "Blackhawk Down"
He and I actually got along very well, probably because He kept forgetting that I was from NC (and I stopped correcting him after the first several times), and thought I was from his hometown in Florida (his brother was still the local high school football coach there) where my sister and her family lived. He wasn’t a bad guy, it’s just that being in a system (military, business,etc.) people sometimes do things that they normally (personally) wouldn’t do. It turns some people into weaslely, backstabing, kiss ups, but maybe that was a part of them all along.
We just had different views on leadership. For example, one time a sargent (E-6 I think) came upto me shaking his head, just after his welcome to the company meeting with the CO. The sgt. just couldn’t believe what he’d heard, saying the CO told him he was not a hard man, but a fair man, that he’d now been commanding the company for around 9 or 10 months now, and he had only given out 216 Article 15’s. Well, my jaw hit the floor as well, and I told the sargent that I’d be ashamed to say that, not proud of it like the CO seemed to be, because that only told me that you couldn’t control your troops.
I really only have 2 things that I can’t forgive him for, his conduct while we were on a training exercise in Alaska during December, and his vendita against one of my best friends an E-7 who had won the Medal Of Honor in Vietman that followed it. It was in Alaska that he made the same mistakes that he repeated during “Blackhawk Down”. In mid December we only had around 3 to 4 hours of daylight (I believe it was around 10:30 am till 2:30 pm), but fortunately it wasn’t total blackness, because the snow reflected the moon and starlight. The CO sent our company to the rifle range to qualify under winter warfare conditions one day, and we were all told (officers, NCO’s, everyone) that we would be bused back to base when we finished. The CO showed up around 2:00 pm, and then told us we would be marcking back to base (around 15 miles or more). So, we all put on our snowshoes and started walking, after around a mile over an open field. We lost the light at the same time we reached the base of a very steep hill, took off our showshoes and started climbing. The hill was so steep that Sgt. Bondsteal and I only made it up by standig on the base of trees and pullling each other up. Unit coheasion was destroyed, with troops spreadout all over the face of the hill (or mountain, it was sort of in between). As we reached the top a blinding snow storm started, so the company reformed and started marching. We were following a trail, but in no time you couldn’t see the trail under the rapidly falling snow, and the trailing 1/3rd of the company became seperated. (the CO didn’t know, and kept the company marching). Sgt. Bondsteal quickly realized how dire our situation was, and ask the instructors to see their maps, but they didn’t have one, so he then asked to use their radios, only to be told that the radio’s hadn’t been working all day, that they thought the batteries were dead. Sgt. Bondsteal seized control of the situation, shouting “We’re backtracking, double time!”. We were very lucky, Sgt. Bondsteal found where the trail had cutoff though the footprints were now burried under fresh snow, and after double timing through the snow for another mile or so, we finally caught up with the company. After another mile or 2 we reached a highway, and started following it. After only a few hundred yards the 1st man passed out, dropping to the ground. Even though it was only in the teens or low 20’s at best, he had developed heat exhaustion from having to run. As toops tried to help the fallen soldier, the CO ordered (shouting it out), “Keep moving leave him for the medics”. Well, arond 100 yards later the 2nd man passes out, falling to the ground, and the CO repeated the same order. At that point the instructors, Sgt. Bondsteal, and some of the officers had a talk with the CO, and it was decided to send a runner forward toward the the post along the highway, in the hope he could flag down a passing car. fortunately he did, and we were saved. As it turned out, the company was lost, and around 15 miles from the post main gate. These were the same problems, no maps, no dependable communications, not keeping his subordinate commanders informed of his current plans, and not preparing properly before the mission started, that were what went wrong 12 years later during “Blackhawk Down” when his convoy got shot to peices by running a re-running the same gauntlet of fire, because they were either lost, or kept running into roadblocks that they hadn’t reconed before the mission started.
A few days later the company went on a 3 day long FTX, when it was breaking cold records for Alaska. The weather report I will never forget during this time was 57 below 0, with a wind chill of 112 below. Before the FTX started, my platoon had already lost 7 of it’s 28 men due to injury (mostly cold injuries), and only 2 days later, just 9 men were left uninjured. My platoon was the weapons platoon, and on the 2nd day we went to the mortar firing range. It was other worldly, the impact area was obscured by ice fog (when it gets cold enough the moisture in the air will freeze form something resembling fog), it was so cold that the oil on our weapons had frozen (M-16’s and mortars) making them unsafe to fire, and the ground was frozen so deep and hard that you couldn’t have seated the mortars base plates, so that if they were fired the might just go sliding backwards into the crew at high speed. Some of the NCO’s found a large fuel tank, and just started pouring fuel on the ground, and setting it on fire to try to keep warm. The instructors then said this is crazy, we’re going to contact your CO, and get permission to take you all back in, and loaded us back onto the bus. Around 20 to 30 minutes later they returned, saying that The CO had overruled these cold weater training expert’s opinion, saying to just let use stay out all night, and maybe the weather would be better the next day, and to get off the bus. That’s when the command structure almost fell apart. My best friend Ralph, the sgt. commanding the FDC section, ran off the bus shouting “Those GD SOB’s” a threw his M-16 as far as the could (it’s understandable, he already had a cold weather injury, with his upper lip split all the way up to his nose, from before the FTX even started). Next We tried to set up our 10 man tent’s, but it was hopeless, as we tried to drive the tent pegs would only break the frozen ground into little chunks as we tried to drive them in, and even if we did get the tents set up, we had no fuel for the stoves (they only used karosene, and the fuel we had been burning to stay warm was gasolene).The instructors sent out an emergency call for help, and a group of majors and col. showed up with food and fuel for the stoves, then helping us drag the tents off into the woods, so we could tie them off onto trees. By that time were were down to only 10 men, 11 had been sent in with cold weather injuries that day, and 1 of those 10 remaing health soulders got 2nd degree frostbit during the night. we had no water because it froze so quickly, and it was so cold that my canteen got a little too close to the stove during the night, melting it’s top, but none of the ice.
An investigation was held when we returned to Ft. Benning, but the CO had ben the Post’s Commanding General’s aide while he was the commander in Korea, and the findings were that all the injuries (many hushed up, and classified as something other than frostbite) were the entirely the result of a lack of motivation by the troops. The CO reminded me of the WWI French Generals that believed in “elan” (I hope I spelled that right , a soldiers ability to overcome any obstical) so much that they sometime felt planing was unnecessary, and marched troops in formation into machine guns.
After Alaska the CO tried to have Sgt. bondsteal thrown out of the army because he was over weight, when he was clearly the best sgt. in the company, and had save the CO’s skin in Alaska. Personally, I dont care if a soldier is over or under weight, only if he can perform his duties, and can pass his PT test, and sgt. Bondsteal did all that with ease. The CO even went so far as to have this Medal of Honor Winner confined to the hospital for 2 months with his mouth wired shut in aa attempt to lose weight. While I can’t say that the CO in effect murdered sgt. Bondsteal, the damage done to his heart by this was probably responsible for his dying of a heartattack less than 3 years later.Sgt. Bondsteal was one of the best men and soldiers I’ve ever know, and I have no doubt that he saved many lives while or company was in Alaska.
by PanthersRoar on Oct 1, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Woops. Hit the enter button too soon. Anyway, you're talking about McKnight
right? The guy sounds like a lousy CO. There’s too many officers in the military that are afraid to stand up for what’s right and a lot are brown nosers. McKnight seems to be a freaking lunatic. He’s lucky no one died from the elements. I know there are “black flag” days when the heat index gets to a certain point but is there something similar for cold weather? I would think 112 degrees below 0 would have to qualify for reduced physical training.
What unit were you in? You guys sound like some high speed ground pounders. Despite the fact you went through some tough, regretful training exercises, at least you have some really cool stories to tell. I hope to get to that point after I’ve served a few years in SF. I don’t want to have any regrets when I’m sitting in my rocking chair looking back at my life. Hope that doesn’t sound too gay/dramatic.
Anyway, that story was kind of depressing man. I think I’m going to watch Blackhawk Down again and focus on the two Delta snipers (Shughart and Gordon) that volunteered to help out the down pilot. Hopefully I’ll serve with guys like them instead of McKnight. Thanks for the story.
The Army Is So Much Better Now Than Then, Everyone Is In Great Physical Shape, Back Then Only A Small Handfull Did As Weight Training
I was in the 197th Combat Brigade, but it was eliminated during the 90’s downsizing.
At the time I was in the Aremy was like a combination of the old TV series “F Troop” (which was losely based on on the mid 60’s Civil War movie “Advance To The Rear”) and “The Dirty Dozen”movie. In the 1st 6 months I was in the unit, we had 1 guy shot, 2 stabbed, and 1 shoved out a 3rd floor window. Later we had 1 of my friends sprayed with lighter flud by his roommate will he was sleeping, he woke up as the guy was striking the match, and had a total breakdown, causing his discharge (luckly he wasn’t burnt). They let the guy that tried to do it re-enlist, for his station of choice, with a full re-enlistment bonus, and no punishment. Even black sgts like Sgt. Glasscock, and Sgt Williams were furious that happened, calling the guy that did it an outright racist (he was black his victum was white) who had no business being in the army, and belonged in jail. Racism was rampent, with a large group of black troops romaning the barracks grounds one night, armed with sticks, and beating up any white soulders they saw. Many of them aslo openly stated, “I can’t wait to go to war (they were almost totally worthless as soldiers though), I’ve got some scores to settle up in this company”. I doubt they even knew the old Vietnam word fraging, they were just cowardly backsshooters.
Here are a few later examples. On a payday night 3 soldiers tied another soldier to his bunk, and raped him (I was one of the armed guards that took one of these 3 to the guard house, to the chears of “Um, Um, Freash meat tonight” coming from inside). The arms room clerk went AWOL with enough parts to fully convert a few M-16’s civilian version the AR-15 to full auto, and a large number of hand grenades. I had some colorful roommates as well, a different sgt. Williams went nuts one night, stripped down to his undershorts, and flipflops, jumped out a 2nd floor window, and spent the night setting up in trees, down in the woods.Another E-6 or E-7 who was set to ETS in around 2 months went nuts as well, getting up in the middle of the night, opening his locker, and talking to his uniforms. He walked into the 1st Sgt’s office as we were prerping to leave on an excersise, and told the 1st Sgt., “I’m not even from this planet”. Top just told him to get out of his office, and get up to the motor pool, but he called top back saying “Top send up some 2404’s, I gota pull a daily on my space ship”. We all thought he was just fooling around, but 8 months later he was still in the Martin Army Hospital Psyc ward, too nuts to let him leave. Another “roommate”, an innercity kid from Chicago, who blew all his money in just 2 or 3 days after payday each month, was angry that he had no money to return home for Thanksgiving, so here’s what he did that Friday night. He borrowed $20 from a friend, gave the $20 to another friend to let him borrow his pistol, borrowed a suit from sgt. Williams, and then borrowed the CQ Sgt’s car to go down town to see his girlfriend. He the shacked up with 2 15 year old girls, until Sunday, when out of money they robbed a convience store of $66. They then tried to outrun the police by driving across the bridge from Columbus GA. to Phenix City AL, tried to run a police roadblock, and then took off running on foot. The first time any of us knew what had happened to him was seeing him slamed down on the hood of a police car, and cuffed, on the noon news. Needless to say he was still in jail when my service time was up, along with another soldier from the company who tried to rob the same store 6 months before, and 1 of our sgt’s who tried to beat his cheating wife to death with a mortar shell.
On the quite side, AWOL’s were such a problem (our company usually had at least 10 to 15 men on AWOL at a time, and even before that we were were usually 30 to 40 men under strength). It was so bad that the Post Commander decided to give every man in a compay a 4 day pass, if that compay had no one go AWOL for a month. That worked for a while, until most of us had 5 or 6 passes or more that they wouldn’t let us use.
I signed up, and passed my OCS exam, in the hope that the army might be the last refuge of honor, honesty, and intregeraty, but that foolish idea didn’t last long, The military version of “office politics” is just as corupt as the rest of the world. So I just served my time, forgetting all about OCS, turning down all promotions, and got out. When asked about the army at my high school reunion, I said it was just like going to prison, only that you might feel more safe in prison, because they lock up their inmates at night, and the army just let’s their run wild.
I still have conflicting emotions about it, in many ways I loved the army, though it’s totally necessary, it’s also a selfish choice, that’s unfare to the soldiers familes. Long scheduled deployments,with the often unexpected change in orders one moring, when you report, hearing “Turn around, go back home, pack your bags, and kiss mama goodbye, your going to the field for 2 weeks, be back in an hour”. Look at the your superiors to see your future. My 1st Sgt. had snow white hair, false teeth, and trembling/shaking hands. When I was asked how old I thought he was, I said mid 50’s, but he was only 34. Young officers from West Point came in looking like high school kids, and in a couple of years looked like old men.
Here's Helpful Trick For Pushups "ambull01"
I did some final ROTC grading of PT test while in my reserve drill Sgt. unit. They made us grade totally by the book, and we weren’t allowed to tell them what they were doing wrong (we were being graded as well), only count the correct reps, and remain silent if they were incorect. I felt so sorry for these ROTC cadets, because this was like the lat requirement before receiving their commisions, and if they didn’t pass, then they ddn’t get their commission.
By the book, during pushups your back must remain perfectly straight, bending 90 degrees at the elbows, to form a straight line across the shoulders, without touching the ground with your chest (no bouncing up). If you have a big strong chest like me that’s almost impossible.
Here is the trick for pushups. Assume the perfect staring position, but with your toes bent upwards. Then to exicute a perfect military pushup, bend your ankes downward. This propells your body forward, bending 90 degres at the elbows, with your back and shoulders perfectly straight, and without your chest touching the ground, then bend you ankles again until the toes are pointing up, and repeat. In this method you can easly knockout 80 pushups in 60 to 90 seconds, with little effort, and go for a record if you want.
Also here’s a warning from a friend who wnen through airborne training (through a paperwork mixup, before going through basic, but he had been in the navy, and was just moving over). If they tell you as a group or individual to drop and do pushups in gravel, don’t brush the gravel from under your hands, they’ll kick you out. They just like to mess with people.
People Are A Mixture Of Good & Bad & Almost Never 100% Of Either
I don’t want to give you the wrong idea about Danny Mc, in many ways he was a good guy. He was a big Florida St. fan (where he went to college), and made it as far as the AA league in the minors with the Reds. Often people just find themselves caught in situations where they feel their forced into making decisions that they wish they didn’t have to make. Whether they feel it’s just expected of them, they believe they have to do it to get ahead, and in a moment of weakness just can’t say no, or they just make a mistake.
The best example of the mixed nature of people for me, also comes from my army experience. On one payday, a guy I had loaned $5 to (never really expecting to be repaid) knocked on my door, and handed me a $20. I told him I was verry sorry, but I had no change to give him, because I was stuck passing out paychecks during lunch, and hadn’t been able to cash my own check. He said that’s OK, I owe your roommate Sgt. Johnson $12. I had to tell him again that I was sorry, that I didn’t even have the $3 change to give him. He said that’s OK, just keep it, and you can give me the change when you see me next time, I just got an emergency leave approved, and I wanted to re-pay you before I left. I later found out that he was going AWOL, with a warant out for his arrest for attempted murder, and either way he knew he would never see us again. In a very large way, that made up for all those that never repaid the money they borrowed.
I was in the 197th Combat Brigade, which was sort of a grabbag of a little of everything. ! was in the 1st BN of the 58th (Mech) Inf. (Charlie Co.), but it also cantained an Armored BN, an Artillery BN, a Ranger BN, A Calvery Recon BN, and other assorted smaller units. The 197th was eliminated in the post Gulf War I downsizing, but I’m not sure if any of the units which made it up survived the downsizing or not. It was really a strange feeling hearing your old unit mentioned in combat reports, and wondering how may of your friends might still be in it.
This is OT for this thread...
But I re-did the GIF of Cam juking Clay Matthews:

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Of course it's OT - it concerns the Panthers.
What WERE you thinking? :-)
Tim Jennings
and he is a mighty fine tackler for someone his size… id rather see him against steve smith that peanut, he is a good corner and all but he doesnt have the speed to keep up with steve smith like jennings does
I respect your OPINION but i also value the FACTS, To save time, lets just ASSume IM NEVER WRONG
by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Oct 2, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions

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