The Friday Five, Week 4 vs. Chicago
by BW Smith on Sep 30, 2011 8:01 AM EDT
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PrintGreetings Panthers fans, and welcome to this week's edition of The Friday Five. This week the Panthers travel to the Windy City to take on the Chicago Bears with the opportunity to even the season record at 2-2, and to match the win total from all of last season. (Trust me, it hurts me to write it just as much as it hurts you to read it.)
Both the Panthers and the Bears are sitting at 1-2 and 3rd place in their division, and both the Panthers and the Bears want to leave Sunday's game at 2-2. Offensively this is going to be one of the tougher challenges the Panthers will face, as the Bears have one of the better defensive units in the league that's led by MLB Brian Urlacher, CB Charles "Peanut" Tillman, DE Julius Peppers (an old "friend" of ours), and SS Chris Harris (another old friend of ours). This will not be an easy task for Cam Newton and the rest of the Panthers offense, but on the other hand this isn't an impossible game that the Panthers have no chance to win.
While the Bears are certainly no pushovers (if you ask me they're one of the better teams in the NFC), this is one of those games that the Panthers could absolutely win provided they limit their mistakes and don't allow the Bears to jump out to an early multiple-possession lead. (Of course, this is easier said than done.) After the jump we'll look at five things to watch for on Sunday as the Panthers try to sneak in to Soldier Field and steal one from last year's NFC runner-ups.
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1. Matt Forte
Let's face it: the guy is pretty good. Not only is the guy pretty good, but he's a major factor in the Bears' offense. So major, in fact, that he leads the team in rushing AND receiving, and is currently responsible for 40% of the team's offensive production. Right now, the only thing he doesn't do is throw touchdown passes...but then again, neither does Jay Cutler. (Cue obligatory rim shot. Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the veal.)
In all seriousness, if the Panthers want to win this game, they must stop Matt Forte and prevent him from being a factor in this game. Without Forte, the Bears offense is quite beatable, because no one in their receiving corps not named Johnny Knox puts any fear in an opposing defense, and from where I sit it's a stretch to say that Knox has that effect on opposing defensive coordinators. So, if the Panthers can shut down Forte, they can win this game.
The way the Panthers are going to have to shut down Forte is by shutting down the screen pass option that Cutler likes to use with Forte. Currently, Forte is averaging 13 yards per reception, and he's not getting these yards by running go routes down the sideline. He's available as a check down option, and he's getting huge yards after the catch (enough to get a first down on most plays). This could be a problem for the Panthers, who have already lost their two best cover linebackers to injury.
Forte currently averages 3.4 yards per carry, so he's not destroying opposing defenses with his rushing attack. His best game thus far was against the Saints in Week 2, where he rushed for 49 yards on 10 attempts, and caught 10 passes out of the backfield for 117 yards. This week, the onus is on the defensive tackles to hold their ground and stuff the run, otherwise the defense could be in for a long day if Forte is able to wear down the defense with his rushing, only to start catching screens out in open space as the game wears on.
2. Panthers' Running Game
Let's be real here: the Panthers aren't running the ball with much success. Carolina currently has the 24th best rushing attack in the NFL at 84 yards per game, and regardless of who you want to blame, that's just not good enough. In order for this offense to be successful for any sustained period of time, the running game has to be effective to take some of the pressure off Cam Newton. The Bears are middle of the road in rush defense, allowing just over 100 yards per game to opposing running backs. The Panthers must take advantage of this and get both DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart involved in the rushing attack if they want to walk away with a victory on Sunday.
So far this season we've witnessed that Stewart has been the better option receiving out of the backfield, and the Panthers are going to have to continue that trend if they want to have success against the Bears. Stewart's going to have to catch some screens and check downs out of the backfield and get positive yards after the catch in order to keep the defense honest and help open up the vertical passing attack, which in turn will (hopefully) allow the Panthers to put some touchdowns on the scoreboard.
3. Panthers' Defensive Line
I've already covered the defensive tackles, but I wanted to also mention the defensive ends. Greg Hardy and Charles Johnson are going to have to get pressure on Jay Cutler and disrupt his timing in order to keep the Bears defense on the field for as long as possible in order to wear them down enough to have continued success late in the game. If the defensive ends can get consistent pressure on Cutler and force him to make bad decisions with the ball, the Panthers should be able to take advantage of those mistakes and force some turnovers, and if everything goes the way I'd like to see it, score a defensive touchdown or two.
4. Jeremy Shockey and Greg Olsen
Cam Newton's going to have to utilize his tight ends against the Bears' Cover 2 defense, because the Bears are going to do their best to shut down the deep routes (especially Steve Smith), and Newton's going to have to use the other arrows in his quiver if he wants to be successful in this game.
Hopefully (for personal reasons) Newton is able to use Greg Olsen in a way that makes Mike Martz hang his head in shame for not realizing the caliber of player he had before he decided to let his talent waste away in a scheme that didn't properly account for his ability to catch the ball downfield.
I have a feeling that both Shockey and Olsen will be important pieces to the Panthers' offensive attack on Sunday, and I won't be surprised in the least of one of them comes away with 100+ yards receiving and a touchdown or two. (Note: for fantasy football reasons, I hope it's Olsen.)
5. Devin Hester and Johnny Knox
It's simple: don't let these two guys kill you on special teams, and you have a much better chance to win this game. These guys are phenomenal kick returners, and the Panthers are going to have to prevent them from getting huge returns that either score the Bears points or set them up with great field position to give them a higher chance to put points on the board. If the Panthers can keep these guys in front of them and not allow them to streak down the sideline towards paydirt, they should have a successful day. And please don't fall for the same trick that the Packers fell for last week, which was a holding call away from being the most awesome punt return touchdown in the last decade. If the Panthers can keep that from happening to them, they've got a shot to steal this one.
That's it for this week's Friday Five Panthers fans. Feel free to expand upon these thoughts with any comments you may have below.
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I have a feeling our DE's
are going to win this game for us. I think the Bears will over look us as a whole. Our Offense will do just enough. And our secondary will play decent. But I think Jay gets rocked early and often and we win the turnover battle.
GO PANTHERS!
Catches Bullets With His Teeth?
Chicago could possibly be looking past us.
After all, we’re only the lousy “2-14 Panthers,” and they have a big Monday Night faceoff against the currently undefeated Detroit Lions next week in a very important division game…
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I wouldn't count on it.
If the Bears were 2-1, then you may be right. But they are 1-2, so they’re hungry for a win and chances are they won’t be taking anyone for granted. I think the Panthers are going to be taking Chicago’s best shot and are going to need their A game if they want to win.
I don;t think the Bears will over look us.
We have their old D coordinator, their most reliable receiver and they need a win as badly as we do. Plus we play them so often they might as well be a division opponent, so they know what kind of team we are.
I think this may wind up being the best game of the season. It’s a shame I have to work thru it. So I am asking nicely, could you guys not ruin the game by taking about it in the open thread Sunday?
Thanks.
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The Video Of The KO'ed Boxer, Flat On His Back Unconscious, Still Throwing Punches (In Slow Motion) With Both Arms Would Be Great For This Game
I’ve only seen the video once, a couple of weeks ago, while flipping chanels, on of all things the TV program “Wretched” (a late night religious program out of Charlotte). They never named the boxer, but he looked like a middleweight.
If you guys (James, Jaxon, BW, or Newsinz) can find this video it would make a great post for anytime a team just gets KO’ed, or falls in a big upset.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
His name is Simon Brown
I was hoping to find a gif real quick, but there’s a few videos of him “sleep boxing” on YouTube.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
i agree
being in between the packers and the lions on the bears schedule is a nice place to be to pull an upset
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
lol i thought you was talking about the picture directly above you….i was like damn thats cold haha
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Yeah I when I saw it I had to use it.
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Completely agree BW
Matt Forte scares the crap out of me because of the versatility he brings to the table. With TD out now we lost a lot of lateral speed from the linebackers, and when they use him in swing passes that scares me.
He is basically going to decide the game. If we stop Forte we win if we don’t Bears win. The rest is just background noise
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It wouldn't surprise me
If Rivera and McDermott employ a lot of Nickel to keep a Safety on Forte at all times. That’s what I would do. I don’t think we have the LBs currently on the field that can cover him one-on-one. I say put a decent cover safety on him and dog him all afternoon. Just completely take the short pass away from the Bears. Then we have Gamble and Martin on WR #1 and Munnerlynn and Godfrey on WR #2 the only two real receiving threats they have. I think this defense would work.
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Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)
by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 30, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The Best Defense Against RB Matt Forte Is The Bears Offensive Play Calling, Only Running Forte Around 20% Of The Time
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not him running the ball that scares me
It’s his 287 yards receiving and 13.0 yards per catch.
The Panthers have absolutely no answer for that.
by James Dator on Sep 30, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Forte Is A Great Receiver As A RB, But His Receiving Numbers Are Being Inflated This Year Because The Bears Poor Pass Blocking Is Forcing Cuttler To Dump The Ball Off More Often
The Bears 2 best WR’s (Knox and Hester) are feast or famine big play speed receivers (Knox 21.0 YPC and Hester 19.9 YPC), and often Cuttler isn’t getting the time to throw that deep, so he’s checking down to Forte. So in a way, settling for a shorter pass to Forte is like a win for the defense.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not when he's getting 13 yards per reception, which means a first down and a continued drive.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Is That Your "New Math" BW, 13 Is More Than 20 or 21 YPC?
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
YPC isn't very relevant when you aren't making the completion to those receivers.
Knox and Hester have a hard time getting open, and the offensive line has a hard time giving Cutler enough protection to allow those two to get open.
13 yards on 1st and 10 is… well, I’ll let that sit there.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
13 YPC to a receiver on a check down route when we have suspect coverage in our LB corps is deadly. If we let Forte catch the ball on a swing pass, he will eat us for lunch all day long.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
That's Why I Posted On Another Topic That The Panthers LB's Need To Cover Those Flat & Look-In Areas & Only Delayed Blitz Through Open Open Gaps As They Develop
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's great..but it has absolutely nothing to do with this sub-thread.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
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"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
LOL
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 30, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I Think I Know What Your Trying To Say "BW", But Your Way Off Target
This “sub-thread” first started with James posting “The Panthers have absolutely no answer for that (Forte’s receiving”, and my post offered a possible defensive answer, it might not be the best, but it’s the only one offered so far.
My post just wasn’t more of the same woe is us, we’re doomed, we can never stop Forte, “He will eat us for lunch all day long” stuff.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the majority of folks who mentioned Forte as the key
understand that we need to stop him—not that we’ll be unable to do so.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Exactly.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I Hope Your Right ERL, But Those Were Direct Unalterd Quotes From James & BW & They Certainly Seem Hopeless To Me
James – “The Panthers have absolutely no answer for that (Forte’s receiving)”
BW – “He will eat us for lunch all day long”.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I said that because our two best cover LB's are on IR
We don’t have another Thomas Davis and Jon Beason lying around. The guys we do have are good in their own right, but I don’t know if they’re going to be good enough to contain Forte and stop him from nickel and diming us all day with 5-10 yard gains per rush/reception.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And, FWIW...I hope that I'm wrong.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well they have good reason.
Last season (with Beason in the lineup) he carried the ball 22 times for 166 yards and 2TDs. Granted he had only 2 catches for 22 yards, but in the case of that game, they didn’t need to throw it with Todd Collins because they were having their way with us on the ground.
If we can contain him on the ground—much like we did against MJD last week and we are getting pressure on Jay Cutler, then they will be compelled to pass and get the ball out of Cutler’s hands as quickly as possible—enter the RB screens and the like.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
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We didn’t WANT to throw it with Todd Collins. His four interceptions in that game alone should provide ample evidence.
In fact, both running backs that game had more carries than Collins had passing attempts. We tried staying as far away from that as possible.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So let me get this straight…
Your possible defensive answer is to let Forte get 13 yards per reception, or force the Bears to run Forte, which would mean an average of 5 yards per carry (possibly more against our DT’s) and let them nickel and dime us to death up and down the field, taking our offense out of the game?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I See Reading Comprehension Isn't Exactly Your String Point "BW", Or Just Trying To Twist & Invent False Statements, Isn't That Called Lying?
So, let me try to untwist the web of lies in your last post.
I never wrote a single word even hinting that 13 YPC for Forte would be acceptable. The only thing you could even twist into this is my writing that a 13 yard catch was better than allowing a 20 or 21 yard catch to WR’s Knox or Heaster. Silly me, it just seem obvious that a gain of 7 or 8 yards less on a “Shorter pass to Forte is like a win for the defense”. I guess simple math isn’t your strong point either.
How did you ever come up with, “Force the Bears to run Forte, which would mean and average of 5 yards per carry (possibly more with our DT’s)”? You really jumped th rails on this one. I never suggested jusy letting Forte run, you just made that up (shame on you). When on Earth did you dredge that 5 yard per carry number? Forte is only averaging 3.4 YPC this season, on 35 carries for 119 yards. Inventing lies never proves a point.
I’m very sorry to have to write this way, but falsehoods against me must be corrected.
I’m very disappointed in you “BW”, I had hoped your were better than this.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon, PR.
You took his response personally, it would seem.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
& You Don't Take It Personally ERL If Someone Lies About Things You've Done Or Said?
I don’t hold any grudes ERL. I’m sure “BW” just got carried away in anger a little, it happens with all of us at times, and we shouldn’t hold it against anyone when it happens. We’re not worthy of forgiveness, unless we forgive others, and everyone gets a little carried away at times.
Now that it’s been corrected, I hope we’ve all moved on, forgiven and forgotten it all.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't appreciate you making it out like I'm purposely assassinating your character.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And one last thing...
If you would go back and re-read my original comment that got your panties in a wad, you’d see there’s this little thing on the end of it called a question mark. I wasn’t “making up lies” about you or anything you said. I was asking you a question. A question that apparently is over the line as far as you’re concerned.
You said this:
So in a way, settling for a shorter pass to Forte is like a win for the defense.
I wholeheartedly disagree with this sentiment. Settling for a highly efficient play that gains an average of 13 yards is not a win for the defense, and that’s where the basis of my question was coming from.
But, if you’d rather take it as I’m lying and twisting your words, then more power to you.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I'm Sorry That Reading Thing Into My Post That Weren't Intended
That quote of me is only refering to 1 play (a 13 yard completion vs a 20 or 21 yard completion), it had nothing to do with multiple plays.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't You Just Post That You Wouldn't Post To Me Any More?
I certainly wouldn’t call it chacter assassination, just more of a write along mugging, LOL.
Let’s just be big boys about it, move on, without any grudges (I certainly hold none), forgetting, and forgiving everything, just enjoying football.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I did write that...
But in this case I made an exception because I felt the need to say my peace.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Nope...it's not my string point. It is my strong point, though.
The problem with the 20-21 YPC figure is the pass is low-percentage play. Screens to Forte that allow 7 fewer yards per pass, but are completed at a higher rate, will in fact be worse on our defense as they will just keep dumping it off to Forte and keep marching down the field.
The 5 YPC figure was a typo. For some reason I recalled that he was averaging 5.4 YPC, not 3.4…my mistake there.
You seem to have taken this very personal. Apparently my best course of action is to just avoid discussing anything with you in the future, for fear that I will hurt your feelings by disagreeing with you. Best of luck to you, sir.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Yup'er.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
(reply fail...agreeing w/ James.)
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Nice rundown BW
I’m starting to get used to reading this article every week. Keep ’em coming.
One thing you might want to include as a possible number 6 is the Panthers’ O-line keeping Cam Newton clean. You know the Bears are going to unleash Pep on him every chance they get. If Peppers can consistently play in our backfield, it might turn into a long day. I think Gross and Otah are up to the challenge, but there’s just no denying that Julius peppers is a force of nature that must be contained at all costs.
Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)
by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 30, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions
I hope Cam breaks his ankles like he did to Clay Matthews, Vick used to give Pep fits. Yeah Vick is quicker but Pep was also a lot younger. Be a interesting match up to see if/when peppers does break through the line. Easily the two most athletically gifted guys on the field come Sunday
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I'm conflicted...
In reality, of course I want a Panthers win, no question.
Fantasy points wise, I kind of hope Matt Forte runs all over us. (Selfish yes, but he’s a big reason I’m undefeated in my league!)
So, here’s hoping Matt Forte has 200 yards and a TD… and the Panthers still win!
fantasy is freakin stupid and you should be ashamed that you want to win a meaningless fantasy game
more than you want the panthers to shut Forte down. i.e. —> you are a bum loser
by clemsonPANTHERSnascarKBandBK on Sep 30, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Never said I’d be upset if they shut Forte down, in fact that would be awesome. I don’t see how wanting to have my cake and eat it too makes me a bum loser, but I’m not going to worry too much about it coming from someone with the word “nascar” in their handle. Whatevs.
Last week i was praying MJD would fumble or go down and he was on my fantasy team. I still started him because hell it was a bad match up for us but id rather take a goose egg in fantasy land then have the panthers lose.
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'We're the little brothers getting punched in the head. Pretty soon, we're gong to learn to punch back.'" - Ron Rivera aka BAMF
Absolutely.
And hey, he racked up some stats but the Panthers still did a good job of keeping him out of the end zone and at the end of the day we got a win.
Actually they did a way better job of stopping MJD than I expected them too, so I think there’s hope for our run defense yet. I’d be way more confident they could shut Forte down if Beast and/or Davis were there. We got a win without them last week, but it’s going to be a lot tougher this time around. Certainly winnable, though!
I Certainly Don't Mean This As A Reflection On You "MMA", But Wishing For Injuries Is Sort Of Cowardly, As A Pro You Want To Beat Someone (Person or Team) While They're At Their Peek, So No One Can Question Your Victory
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I didnt mean go down as in injury but as in not bust a 20+ yard run. i wish no ill will towards any player because karma is a bitch and she has my address
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by MMA_PITBULL on Sep 30, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what a ridiculous thing to say
For saying that I hope we put forte on IR without causing him any lasting damage.. J/k…. Kinda
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Sep 30, 2011 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Forget I said anything, just red the rest of the convo. Forte is a beast and its fear talking. Having no interest in fantasy I hope will obliterate the bears get a shut out and generally make some of them consider retirement because they got beat so badly. Is fantasy football really that important to you guys that you would want forte to embarrass our d like that??
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Sep 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I play fantasy football for fun...
But I would much rather see the Panthers win and dominate their opponent than to win a fantasy football game.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Thats why I try to start players that aren't facing the Panthers.
I hate being torn between the 2.
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+1
up until this year i use to pick my fav players[normally panther players]…..that don’t work out usually…lol now i try to use some strategy…..
This has been a public service announcement.......
by CaptainPanther on Sep 30, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I do the same thing
Have a tendency to avoid picks within the divison, and also refuse to pick up Patriots players. There are some things you shouldn’t ever cheer for, IMO.
I do the same thing, except I refuse to pick up Cowboys players.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I pick any players I think are good.
The only problem is, I am only in 2 leagues and I missed the draft in this 1. I got stuck with random picks I guess, but it still isnt a bad team. If this freakin Vick can play a whole game again I might win some weeks. I’m scared to sit him if he plays cause when i do, he is gonna have a 40 point fantasy game.
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Right
I try to become completely objective in FF. I draft whoever is going to be good and I’ll start players that matchup well against the Panthers. Nothing’s gonna change by me doing that. And if I lose a fantasy game because the Panthers shut somebody down I have starting, great, gimme a Panthers win over FF win anyday.
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by KaiserBromley on Sep 30, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This sums up the way I play, too.
lol, part of my likes starting guys that match up well against the Panthers. If he lights them up, its a silver lining on an otherwise gloomy day. If the Panther’s shut him down, effin’ awesome. It’s a total win-win.
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 30, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
thats how it should be
Just seems that not everyone thinks like that. Panthers always come first… Just ask my kids. Lol
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Sep 30, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
speaking of the bears
just got my first tickets to an nfl game ever!!! Going to watch the bears beat the bucs in wemberly!! May be the only time you’ll ever hear me cheering for peppers… Maybe. If only it was my beloved panthers coming to the uk. One day… One day
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by LimeyPanther on Sep 30, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
have fun
Curious, for fans of football like you over there, is Football a secondary sport to others like Soccer or are you just a football fan exclusively? What got you into Football? I just can’t enjoy Soccer because the pacing, while continuous, does not have the mental overload dynamic that Football features.
lets get one thing clear
There is only one football of here (soccer as you america’s insist on corrupting it) and it is THE sport. I love football but really got into american football cuz I love rugby. Having said that american football is starting to take off in a big way. There’s serious talk about trying to get a london based team in the next ten years. The honest perception of american football for a long time was a stop-start game with a million too many ad breaks and people over here tended to get bored. They’ve changed the format now showing more of the game and cramming breaks into half time.
The superbowl always draws in large numbers now despite being on stupidly late. I think the things is people either 1) didn’t really understand the rules 2) thought it was a poor mans rugby or 3) couldn’t be doing with how over the top some things are. The more people watch it the more they realise how awesome the sport is.
Finally if I had to watch the mls I would hate football too… Its balls and not even becks could save it. Proper football (like watching barcelona) is an art form of skill and brilliance
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by LimeyPanther on Sep 30, 2011 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, It's brilliant how
the soccer players fall to the ground in agony when some1 barely touches them. Thats where our nfl kickers learn their trade.
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lol
To be fair, yes, the skill level difference is astronomical between the MLS and the European leagues. Even an untrained eye can see how huge it is…with the trained eye its even worse. Still, its not a sport where replays are an absolute necessity to catch even half of what happened.
I've Always Wondered Why NFL Europe Never Did That Well In England & Scotland, But Did Much Better In Germany?
as it just because blitz has a whole different connotation in England than Germany?
To me the whole idea of putting an NFL team in London, is just Goodell giving a payoff to some rich friends, and maybe getting a kickback.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 30, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The Germans enjoy violence more perhaps?
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by KaiserBromley on Sep 30, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
Don’t mention the war in germany…. It seriously does not go down well
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by LimeyPanther on Sep 30, 2011 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“It never happened!”
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no no
They acknowledge it. Ze germans just don’t have a sense of humour about the war. You can go to jail in the fatherland for denying the holocaust or making light of the war (even if your joking).
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by LimeyPanther on Oct 1, 2011 4:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think this game comes down to three key things...
1) Matchups - They say everything is about matchups at the NFL level. And I believe we’re going to struggle in covering Matt Forte (due to the injuries to our starting, speedier LBs). Chicago, too, is going to struggle in covering the TE. So, this game could easily be determined by who better exploits (and compensates for) their mismatches. I’m hoping Greg Olsen has enough motivation to win his battles more often than Forte manages to do against us.
2) Field Position - It may seem odd, but I believe our special teams will have a huge role to play here. To win, we’ve got to pin down their return guys and keep their offense in situations where they have to go a long way to get in scoring range. That gives Cutler more time to implode due to our heavy pass rush…and should hopefully force Forte into taking longer to move the ball down the field. Conversely, the better starting field position we can achieve, the more it helps Cam and the offense score points and keep the pressure on the Bears. I believe it’s important to get ahead on the scoreboard as early as we can so we force Mike Martz (and Lovie Smith) to abandon their run game and make Cutler play from behind. We do that and it’ll be far easier to just focus on rushing the passer…while also covering for our defense’s greatest weakness (i.e., stopping the run).
3) Turnovers - Yeah, it’s cliche to say that. But the more we can short-circuit Chicago’s offense by forcing them into turning over the ball, the more it helps Cam and the offense control the clock with multiple possessions (and chances to score) to pull ahead. The Bears will be looking for the same thing. I suspect Chris Harris and company will try to force a few fumbles when standing our guys up. If Peppers shows up for this game, he could also trigger some hurried throws from Cam that result in INTs. So, we’ve got to protect the ball and make sure we don’t forfeit any of our possessions on offense.
Beyond that, the teams should be pretty evenly matched in what we can do. It’s going to come down to who wants it more. The Bears are desperate for a win to try and keep pace with Green Bay and Detroit. Otherwise, they’ll fall far enough behind in their division race that their likelihood of making the playoffs becomes almost non-existent. Likewise, Ron Rivera was moved out of his position as defensive coordinator with the Bears when Lovie Smith wanted to bring in Rod Marinelli. Up until then, Rivera had a Top-5 defense for two consecutive seasons. He deserved to stay. He knows it. The league knows it. And you better believe he’s interested in making sure the Bears organization knows it after this Sunday. Let’s sit back and watch who gets their team prepared the best for this one.
Just my two or three cents…
—Neil
by NSpicer on Sep 30, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Excellent points as always Neil.
You’re going to have to start charging more than two cents for your stuff…you’re selling yourself short. :-)
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Revenge of Rivera?
RR wants to win every game. But this one has to have more importance to him than any other game on the schedule. He loved Chicago, but Smith basically fired him. I’m thinking that there will be something special or different that we will see Sunday. This should be fun.
I can't wait for that
He obviously kept a lot hidden during the preseason, and it seems like every game so far has brought new plays & formations out. I bet he’s got some special schemes worked out especially for this game!
other random stuff
This would be a good week to see Armanti Mania get som egood punt returns or two. As Neil pointed out, the field position game is huge, and Armanti can definitely help out. I think overall we can slow down their offense. The issue is that we have had two losses where we’ve given up at least two 48-yd or more TDs.
I think we have an advantage in that Olsen knows some things about their offense, and can help us recognize a couple plays early, but if Forte can get a couple 30-yd plays, it could get ugly.
I think we should use a defense similar to what Arizona did to us…blitz Cutler all the time. I think if he gets hit enough early, then he simply isn’t in the mood to play in the second half, and wants to take his ball and go home.
Our punt return team hasn't helped Armanti out at all.
When given a little space which has been maybe 2 or 3 times, he’s done well.
I actually don’t think we’ll need to blitz Cutler all that often. Big Money and the Kraken have been playing outstandingly thus far and da Bearz O-line is a sieve. Also when Cutler’s gotten in trouble he swings it out to Forte who busts off a first down nearly every time. We’re going to need men in coverage to prevent that.
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by KaiserBromley on Sep 30, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Seeing that Gamble is less likely to play now...
I guess if there was a game to miss, it would be this one, as Chicago doesn’t really have an elite WR.
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I assume and hope Butler would get the start if Gamble doesn't go.
Butler should be able to keep up with Hester/Knox given his supreme athleticism. And Cap’n goes without saying, I think he’s outstanding and makes me believe we really don’t need to go after a corner in the draft next year.
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by KaiserBromley on Sep 30, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bears are favored by 6.5
How can they be favored by that much when we are better than they are in every aspect other than rushing yards allowed? Here are the stats from the nfl site (not ecact stats but close, just to make my point.).
Offense We get 100 yards per game total offense more than the Bears.
We get 70 passing yards per game more than the Bears.
We get 30 rushing yards per game more than the Bears.
We get the same points per game.
We get 10 moer first downs per game than the Bears.
We get 3 minutes more of time of possessions than the Bears.
Defense The Bears allow 30 total yards per game than the Panthers.
The Bears allow almost 40 passingt yards per game more than the Panthers.
The Bears allow 8 rushing yards less than the Panthers per game.
The Bears allow .3 points more than the Panthers per game.
The Bears allow almost 5 third down conversions per game more than the Panthers.
This just doesn’t Look like a game that we should be the underdogs in, It looks more like a game we should be favored to win to me. I am not worried about the Bears, I am looking past them to the next weeks game.
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Two reasons:
1. The Bears went to the NFC title game last year, we were 2-14. I know this is 2011, but they do base their spread somewhat on last year when it’s still early in the year.
2. The Bears are at home, which is an advantage.
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I know the home field advantage usually = 3 points, but so far this year we are the better team.
We lost to the Packers by 7, the Bears lost to them by 10. I don’t see them being favored by 6.5. I think this is a sure bet to win for us.
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The Bears have faced tougher opponents as well...
Our 3 games: @Cardinals, Packers, Jaguars
Their 3 games: Falcons, @Saints, Packers
This does make a difference when setting the spread.
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But, the bears only won 1 of those games.
The Packers are the defending champs, & we almost beat them. We lost to them by less than the Bears did.
The Jags are ranked 4th in total defense, we beat them. (Saints and Falcons ranked 21 & 22 in total defense)
Cardinals are ranked above the Falcons in total offense.
Arizona is only ranked 27th in defense but I account that low ranking to them having to play our #7 total offense.
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Too soon for ranks to mean everything. They're still affected by strength of schedule, to a degree.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
And besides, who cares what Vegas thinks about the outcome of this game?*
*-Other than people who are into sports books.
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I agree it's too soon to get the full effect of the stats,
But 3 games of stats is more valuable to me, than going off last seasons records. This is the new season, with a lot of new players, I value 3 games worth of stats more than last years memories.
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Most fans do...but sports books don't.
To them, what happened over 16 games last season is more important than what’s happened over 3 games this season.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And it's not relying on last year's memories
to say that the Falcons and Saints are better teams than the Jaguars and the Cardinals.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Well bring up this years stats & look at them.
You are basing that purely on last years records.
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And quality of the rosters...
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 30, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
And the fact that we've only played 3 games this year...
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
The quality of rosters?
That also is based on last years stats. So far their rosters are ranked low on defense, & only the Saints have a more powerful offense rank than the Panthers out of the 3 games they have played. They lost to the Packers and our offense and defense, is ranked higher than the Packers.
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And track records that last longer than just a single year.
I understand this is a different year, players get older and new players step up, but teams just can’t be disregarded or put on a pedestal after three games.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Michael Turner > Beanie Wells
Drew Brees > Blaine Gabbert
You don’t always have to look at stats, some players are just better than others.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 30, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Cards and Jags, 1-2.
Saints, 2-1. Falcons, 1-2.
I’d still take the Saints and Falcons straight-up over the Cards and Jags.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
As would 95% of the population outside Arizona and Jacksonville.
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And probably 75% of the population INSIDE Arizona and Jacksonville.
And if the roster swap allowed them to keep L-Fitz/MJD? 100%.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
At what point in the season do you think stats mean anything?
I think 3 or 4 pretty much give you an idea of their values.
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Three games into a 16 game schedule is too much of a SSS (Small Sample Size)
By around Week 9-10, when teams have played 8-9 games, you will get a true picture of what you’re dealing with.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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8 games?
So you dont go by stats until half the season is over?
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x
“Stats are for…”
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by ERL on Sep 30, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So if you don't go by stats,
you base your decisions on last years performance?
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To a degree, yes.
Especially when picking a point spread. You base it off of last year, the players on the roster, who has home field, etc. It’s more than just “who has the best stats”, especially in Week 4.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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I just wanted to throw Foxy in there since y'all are tight.
I tend to use the eyeball test. That is pretty time consuming…whereas looking at stat sheet is not.
You get back what you put in.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
I agree stats don't show it all but
when we are better than another team in every catagory, I tend to think the stats are a little more meaningful than just picking out 1 stat.
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I don't disagree (that we should not be 6.5 point dogs).
But I too think that you need at least 6 games before you can really start looking at team statistical rankings. Are three weeks of data meaningless? No. But they can be easily deceiving.
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John is having a good time in Denver
Go Tea-Bowl
by LovePanthers on Sep 30, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lol you pulled a pic of Bernz
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 30, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh
You’re whipping our a pic of Bernzie’s hero…
J/K Bernz.
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This is essentially a new team, so no
New offensive scheme, new defensive scheme, new QB, new secondary receiving targets, new philosophy.
Until teams dial in on their expectations of our play, our stats mean fairly little. GB started to understand it, Jax got a decent grip on it, the Bears will probably have a pretty good grasp of how to play against us. We won’t know how good of a team we are until we outplay a team who knows us like the back of their hand.
Not when basing "we should beat this team because..."
Because anything less and you fall under the SSS problem…you can’t say “we’re so much better than Team X because we’re 4th in passing and they’re 26th in pass defense” when you’ve only played four games. It doesn’t work that way. You have to have more data to base it on, and 8 games is enough information to determine where teams really stand.
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The best thing about extrapolation after one game,
is that half the league is 16-0 and Super Bowl champions, and the other half are getting the first pick in the draft.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Generally? Sure.
I didn’t say stats mean nothing. Just taking them with a grain, or small pile, of salt at this point.
You have to give the stats some time to normalize.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
They're the Bears, we're the Panthers.
We have to prove ourselves over and over again. Conversely, respect is given to the Bears. Pains of a small market expansion team.
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As I said in the other thread...
I think strength of sched is being pretty overlooked in this whole “being favored” thing. We dominated Atlanta and also had the Packers and Saints. The Panthers haven’t quite had that level of competition as of yet.
Plus, there’s all the Chicago money the sports books are looking to get their hands on.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, disregard the last comment,
I’m an imbecile and that only applies if we’re the underdog.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
You dominated the Falcons, the only game you won.
& their defense is ranked 23rd in the nfl, so I don’t see that being any better than us beating the Jags whos defense is still ranked 4th after they lost to us.
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If this were a Week 10 matchup, I'd agree with your point.
But because this is only the 4th game of the year, what both teams have done this season doesn’t play that big of a role in how the spread is set.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
It doesn't matter what the spread is anyway,
the Panthers are gonna win the game outright, no spread points needed.
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Possibly they're ranked 23rd
because we had a very good offensive day against them and that makes up a third of their ranking. The Eagles are a strong offensive team, and the Falcons held the Bucs to 295 yards in a loss.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Next week you can tell the opponents you had to face
tough teams like the Packers, Panthers, Saints, & Falcons.
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Okay, I'm trying not to be a dick here. Seriously.
But what makes you think this is a gimme?
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL I was just talking crap.
I know it isnt a gimme. Didn’t mean to offend you.
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Not really offended.
Myself and trash talk just haven’t been on speaking terms lately. Sorry about that.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Myself and trash talk haven't been on speaking terms lately huh?
What about the tomato you requested after my comment on Hardy packing Cutler a sack lunch? Reading through your posts here I find more and more that you are full of shit.
by Swamp Panther on Sep 30, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's play nice.
(Not my place, I know.)
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Now now, SP...let's be nice to our guests. :-)
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That's in response to a PUN.
Different thing.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Get it?
“SACK” lunch?
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
SP, I'm not above attempts at witty banter and pointing out of puns (and making puns of my own), and I may not be the best at reacting to trash talk..
But I definitely consider myself several steps above trolling, I try to hold myself as a good visitor, and I definitely pride myself on knowing what I’m talking about, else I wouldn’t be a contributor on WCG. If I misstep, I’m more than happy to correct it, whether it be factually or in conduct.
But I do not at all take lightly to being called “full of shit.” Please, enlighten me on where I am “full of shit,” and I will attempt to do a better job of explaining.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If it helps...
Technically we’re all “full of shit”, as we all have fecal matter in our bowels. :-)
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... You know, this is very true.
I do not have a comeback to that. That is simply well stated.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
I’ve enjoyed you presence here.
/no homo
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad that you guys were willing to tolerate put up with deal with have my presence sully foul up inhabit your little community here.
Seriously though, it’s been a good time. You guys are all right.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The overly logical, overthinking part of my brain does not shut off.
As such, I forget what solid trash talk looks like.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Not just that,
kinda under a little syndrome where a guy about a week and a half ago (not a royal pain or anything, just a bit of a trash talker, good guy normally) came into our Gabe Carimi injury thread to talk trash. Turned my stomach pretty bad and now I have a trash-aversion reflex that’ll take some getting out of. Combined with the above overthinking brain, ’tis a problem.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah..."that guy".
Yeah, he was a lot of fun. /sarcasm
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such a massive tool
Guaranteed Cam goes under 150 yards and zero TDs against them, then proceeds to avoid the topic in every discussion about his play when he does it in the first quarter.
... I think the list of biggest WCG problems
includes a Vikings fan, several Eagles fans, and even a few Bears fans before we get to Packers… I think I know of the Packers fan you refer to, however…
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Acutally, no, 'twas a Lions fan.
We’ve had some… difficulties with them, now that they have a good team and do not know how to react appropriately.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
In a way I can't blame them though...
I mean, they were just getting over Barry retiring, and then they got stuck with the Matt Millen debacle, and now they’ve finally got the pieces in place after that train wreck was finally over…so they probably don’t know how to act, lol.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
That, and the fact that the Lions have put Detroit on their shoulders
If you live there, there really isn’t much to be optimistic about other than the Lions and maybe Ford. It kinda makes football a disproportinately significant factor of a someone who has pride in that city.
Those Red Wings are pretty good too...
I’m not a fan personally, but…..
by MindMachine on Sep 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but the NHL as a league sucks.
Gary Bettman is slightly below Bud Selig in the “worst commissioner ever” department.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
You know... I love hockey...
But I am far less knowledgable in the goings on in hockey, I just watch it… almost as religiously as I watch football, but not quite.
Been a Wild fan for quite a few years now and being as I live in the north winter is damn long and cold here so sports help me get through.
I actually plan on building a hockey rink in my yard this winter… that should be interesting and potentially damaging to my 33 year old frame!
by MindMachine on Sep 30, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here...
I love to watch it (and root for the Canes) but couldn’t tell you much of anything about the nuances of the game, who’s good (aside from the obvious, lol), or anything ‘detailed’ about the NHL.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
It helps if you don't stare at the puck the whole time
and try to catch the whole picture of the players moving in your periphery, who’s cutting passing lanes, staying home and clogging/causing traffic, moving without the puck…
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll keep that in mind, cause I do stare at the puck the whole time, lol.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
lol
you would…
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 30, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Like a dog chasing a flashlight…
/JK
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
More like cat panther on laser-pointer, amirite?
(/mass-groaning ensues)
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Like this?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Link fail...
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
More or less exactly.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
I only stare at the puck b/c there are no cheerleaders.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Way to think with your balls
errr… pucks…
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 30, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He better be careful with his stickhandling...
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm very careful...
I tape it up to protect it from dirty pucks, and I don’t use it inappropriately while on the ice.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
You should take in a Cane's game, they have some of the hottest cheerleaders in sports
by FF Companion on Sep 30, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Apparently I was wrong.
Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
If you go, try to get section 101
Row G if you want a booty view, Row A if you want a frontal. She’s about 4 feet away. (wink, wink)
by FF Companion on Sep 30, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
this^
they have 3 major universities in the area to pull ‘talent’ from. they do pretty well for themselves. Not only that but the Storm Squad is very active in the raleigh community, from charity work to hurricanes-boosting, they do it all. Now if i could just get myself on their charity list…..
the hurricanes have cheerleaders
as do the checkers.
I tend to watch that type of stuff too...
Mostly a fan of the game and don’t really pay attention to what the league as a business is doing. In fact this is the first time I’ve even heard of Gary Bettman. lol
Devils fan here.
But I hardly ever watch it ever since they went on strike. If the nfl had missed this season I wouldn’t be watching them very much again either.
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Insert gratuitous putdown of Gary Bettman here.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Strength of schedule huh?
We have the toughest schedule in the league, do your research.
by Swamp Panther on Sep 30, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny.
I’m talking about the first three games we played.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He means who we've both played to date.
They’ve played better teams (going off of last years results, albeit).
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
The ironic part, I think we've played two of the teams you WILL play - call it a hunch.
And a third you have played.
Going on the whole season though, the North’s no cakewalk itself.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's definitely not...
You’ve got the defending champs and the new-look Lions. Thankfully for you guys the Vikings decided to engage suck mode with D-Mac, otherwise that could be the toughest division in the league top to bottom.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well, the Vikings' problem is they don't realize they have one of the best running backs in the league.
And that apparently you can run the football with him when you have a lead. Who knows, maybe if they do that they actually have a win or two.
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by Steven Schweickert on Sep 30, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, right?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I hope that Baker drills every kickoff out of the endzone
We don’t need Devin Hester destroying our special teams.
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Sep 30, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
a little tune to help you remember...
when the kick hits the stands, that’s O’ Mare….
Nicely done.
When the balls on the 36
And you desperately need one more score
That’s (not) O’ Mare…
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
...
Things i hope to see this game. Chud put the controller down and stop playing Madden! When you have a lead with 2 minutes to go in the half, TAKE a GD knee or run it so you can take halftime with a lead and not risk a interception!
Can we finally please kick off and get the ball at halftime for once! much better to get the ball at after half time.
And ofcourse the obvious, run game stepping up, Cam passing for tons of yards followed by scores.
oh and I almost forgot. Rivera, have more faith in your kicker to make 50 yd field goals! Mare can make those with ease, if Mare would have kicked that field goal that game would have been a lock last week.
overall we win this game 23-20, if thats not the score we win by 3 either way.
Off subject, but anyone else here think next week against the saints could be a trap game and we beat them? Especially if they beat Jags sunday, they will be due for a loss and we are playing at home. Can you imagine if we beat the Bears, Aints and Falcons!?! One can dream cant he?
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 30, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
...
When you have a lead with 2 minutes to go in the half, TAKE a GD knee or run it so you can take halftime with a lead and not risk a interception!
You might want to ensure the other team doesn’t have any timeouts, because if you “take a GD knee”, they will use their timeouts to get the ball back, and they could score on you just as easily as if they intercepted a pass.
Off subject, but anyone else here think next week against the saints could be a trap game and we beat them?
Let’s worry about the Bears first.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well
If its a minute or so, chud needs to take a knee
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
What’s wrong with trying to step on their throat? The reward outweighs the risk, because as a coach you trust your defense to stop your opponent if there is a change of possession. That play by the Jags at the end of the first half was a fluke…that doesn’t happen 99% of the time.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Gotta agree with BW on this one
I’m a much bigger fan of playing to win than the old playing not to lose scheme we had been running the past few years.
by MindMachine on Sep 30, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This, x1,000,000
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I was hoping they would try to get the first down when they punted that 1.
Everyone said the fieldgoal would put the Jags on the 45 if they missed it, but they were on like the 30, and if they just tried for a first down, the worst is they give the ball away at the 30. As it turned out, they gave the ball away at the 20.
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I can see the logic behind that call.
But kicking the FG and missing it gives the other team the ball where it was kicked, not where it was snapped from. So, you’re right — if they were to do anything but punt, going for it on 4th down would have been a better move.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
*But = Because
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I would rather the Saints just lose to the Jags.
Then we beat the Bears, And come in as a heads up game with no team favored & we beat their best game without them “looking past us”.
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Wasn't the field soaking wet?
Rivera, have more faith in your kicker to make 50 yd field goals! Mare can make those with ease,
I can just see the puddle getting splashed trying to kick a 50 yard field goal and the water going farther than the ball.
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Yes, it was.
That’s what I don’t get about why people are mad we punted in that situation…the field was a swamp land…there’s no way any kicker would have made a 50 yard field goal on that field…or there’s no way a coach in a tight game would feel comfortable enough to give up the field position if he missed.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
The snap/hold would have been the worst part of it.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
True.
Plus, I could just see Mare slipping in the mud and tearing his ACL. We don’t need that.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
(Or tearing it while celebrating after making the kick.)
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
lol that's still one of the top-3 stupidest things ever
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Honestly, in this scenario is was a win/win lose/lose situation no matter how you play it
You attempt the field goal and botch it or miss it you are asking for trouble and it becomes a “why the hell would you even attempt that?” situation.
You go for the 1st and don’t get it then it’s a “why didn’t you punt it or go for the field goal?” situation.
We opt to punt it and now it’s “why didn’t you kick the field goal or go for it?”
If we go for it and get it, it’s brilliant, if he kicks the field goal and makes it, it’s brilliant. Instead we opted to punt it and ALMOST got it downed inside the 10 again which would have been…. brilliant.
Hard to fault Rivera on that situation at all. As BW said, that TD at the end of the half was a fluke and doesn’t happen if it isn’t raining like that. As much as it contradicts the “playing to win” scenario above, punting was the right call IMO.
by MindMachine on Sep 30, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think punting was the right call, given the condition of the field.
Kicking a FG was out of the equation because of the field. (Too many things can go wrong on a wet field with snap, hold, and kick all being factors.)
Going for it on 4th down is a risky call, but we did have the lead, and you have to trust your defense given the field condition and a rookie QB.
Like MM said, the punt was “oh so close” to being downed around the 10 yard line…if that would have happened, the move would have made even more sense than it did with the ball being at the 20.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
The thing that got me was the fact that we were penalized while covering the punt.
Their drive started on the 30 anyway. You just can’t do that in that situation.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
I've been looking for somewhere to post this, and here's as good as any
When i rewatched the game, i noticed that Mare went out onto the field and took a practice kick. He had his poker face on afterwards but if i was betting, i’d have bet he didn’t like his hole cards. My take on this is that Rivera said, “Hey Mare, you think you could drill a 50 yarder on this field?” and Mare said “Dunno boss, lemme check” (trots out, takes a swing, thinks, trots back) “No boss, this field is no good”
I honestly think Rivera gave Mare the chance to make his own call. Did anyone else see that?
Very winnable game...
Nice way to lay it out there BW I agree Forte needs to be shut down to make that happen. Receiver wise I say Lets hope Gamble can not only play but be effective at corner
...
And also, Cam needs to learn to throw it away more. I appreciate his drive and willingness to keep things alive, and I can understand how hard it is for someone like him to just throw the ball away, but hes gotta do it.
im still waiting on that big run by Cam also, im talking a 40-50 yd run for a TD which involves some jukes and stiff arms that will make ESPN’s top 10 plays. That kind of run
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 30, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
The last thing rookie QB's learn is to throw the ball away.
It’ll come with time.
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by KaiserBromley on Sep 30, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That must be why everyone thought Clausen was the most NFL ready QB
He had the whole ‘throwing it away’ thing down from the start.
I agree with throw it away more
But my heart goes into my throat whenever Cam runs. These defenses would love to tee off on him and the “protections” a QB gets dont apply if he is a runner.
I don't particularly like the designed QB runs
but him taking off when the pocket collapses is beneficial for our offense. The defense then has to take that into account. Plus Cam’s done a great job at getting down to avoid the hit, not to mention it’d take a pretty big hit to hurt Cam. IIRC it was last week when a Jaguar player was bearing down on Cam from behind. 90% of the time the QB gets absolutely popped and coughs up the ball. Not only did Cam not crumple like a box of Krispy Kremes in between Duke Robinson and Jeff Davidson, he didn’t even lose his grip on the ball.
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"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
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by KaiserBromley on Sep 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I am one of the few that likes them
I think it keeps defenses honest when we’re in the shotgun. The handoff draw isn’t really working very well, but the designed runs keep the LBs close an allow him to use a stutter-step as a play-fake. I think, that while they are only averaging 3YPC, it opens up the pass game. I can also see several options out of the play that can make it very dangerous. We’re seeing it a lot with a 2-2 formation, so it could be turned into a pitch to the opposite side for a DWill run or he can roll back over to the pocket for a TE release dump-off.
An important part of football is being able to do a lot out of the same formation so as it disguise your intent and catch defenders off-guard. I wouldn’t be surprised if the run was actually an option for the QB, and he was allowed to make the choice upon seeing nickle & dime sets playing off the line against our 2-2.
I would love to see some variations out of it.
As it stands right now, if I may rephrase, I don’t like the frequency of them. Once we throw some variations into it, I’ll be more on board. In times perhaps.
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by KaiserBromley on Sep 30, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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