Panthers officially sever ties with G Duke Robinson
by James Dator on Sep 28, 2011 9:33 AM EDT
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PrintAccording to Raven's writer and NFL Insider Aaron Wilson today the Panthers severed all ties with the 2009 5th round pick
Aaron Wilson
The Panthers waived guard Duke Robinson from injured reserve.
This was a situation where a player just wasted an astonishing amount of natural talent. I still believe Duke Robinson had legitimate, pro-bowl potential at guard, but he never showed any semblance of caring about being a football player. He was routinely out of shape, under conditioned and under prepared. One wonders what the Panthers' OL would look like right now if Duke applied himself; while nobody can be sure I'd wager he'd be our starting RG right now instead of Geoff Hangartner.
At this point can we say the 2009 draft was the worst in team history? We'll look at that...
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In the 2009 draft the Panthers had seven selections, many of which came from trades. I'm inclined to believe this was the worst draft in team history because of these trades; not only did the Panthers get numerous players who never lived up to expectations, but the actively sought out trades to bring in players who never lived up to expectations.
How many draft classes can you remember when only three players remained on the roster after just two full seasons? I can't. If you don't remember the 2009 class here it is:
| Round | Position | Name | Status |
| 2 | DE | Everette Brown | Released 2011 |
| 2 | S | Sherrod Martin | Starting SS |
| 3 | DT | Corvey Irvin | Released 2011 |
| 4 | FB | Tony Fiametta | Released 2011 |
| 4 | RB | Mike Goodson | 3rd String RB |
| 5 | G | Duke Robinson | Released 2011 |
| 7 | CB | Captain Munnerlyn | Starting CB |
I hate to play the revisionist history game, but sometimes it's pertinent. When looking at the 2009 draft it's apropos. I'm a big fan of Marty Hurney overall as a GM, I really feel like he gets the short end of the stick a lot of the time as a General Manager. More often than not this seems to stem from a lot of fans not really having an understanding of what a general manager's job is vs. a coach's or scout's.
I'm not leveling the blame on the 2009 draft on any one branch of the organization, but look what could have been with some better scouting. Keep in mind Everette Brown would not have been traded for, so I am taking into account a 2010 1st round pick, and removing the pick that became Mike Goodson also. What I'm trying to do here is stick as close to the overall positions the Panthers were looking at filling. For example, it would be easy to say "We should have taken WR Johnny Knox in the 4th round!" but in reality the Panthers weren't looking for WRs at that time.
| Round | Position | Name |
| 1 (2010) | G | Mike Iupati |
| 2 | S | Sherrod Martin |
| 3 | DT | Sammie Hill |
| 4 | FB | Quinn Johnson |
| 5 | DE | Jarius Wynn |
| 7 | CB | Captain Munnerlyn |
Overall this was just a case of the organization missing on numerous picks. Granted, getting two starters in Martin and Munnerlyn was excellent, and they get credit there, but Sammie Hill has been vastly better at DT than Irvin ever was, Quinn Johnson has been a backfield threat at FB and better than Fiametta. Finally we have the 2010 1st rounder... fact is if we ignored offensive guard in the 2009 draft we wouldn't have taken Duke Robinson and if we waited we could not have Mike Iupati at right guard.
At first I thought 'Well, this is because of the new coaching staff... so it's only natural there would be a lot of turnover'. That was until I looked at the 2008 draft and saw that 7/9 players from 2008 are still on the Panthers roster.
So I have to ask Panthers fans, was the 2009 draft the worst in team history?
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It sure looks bad right now
Particularly the trade for Everette Brown… in my eyes, if you are trading away a first round pick for a player, that player better be a guaranteed hit. That isn’t the time to select an undersized DE who may or may not make it in the NFL.
Looking back, and seeing where this class has gone, it very well may have been the worst class ever.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
The pick we traded for Brown
Dez Bryant was still on the board (whether you like him or not, the guy is a beast). I realized that the other day, made me hate the trade even more.
"Excuses are a disease." -Cam Newton
Dez Bryant Was a 2010 Draft Pick, Not A 2009 Pick
by PanthersRoar on Sep 28, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That's Why James Central Point Is Flawed, You Can't Go Back In Time To "Cherry Pick" Draft Picks That Have Succeeded In The NFL, To Have Any Validity You Can Only Compare Those Past Dreaft Picks To The Picks You Would Have Made At The Time
As they Say “Hindsight is always 20/20”, but actully hindsight is only almost 20/20, because people have different opinions. Some of us pointed out these draft mistakes as the draft was happening, and immediately after the draft concluded.
For example, here are the players I targeted for the Panthers before the draft (including the Everette Brown trade (people conviently forget how desperate the Panthers were for another pass rushing DE at the time).
- - Either of DE’s Michael Johnson (6-7, 266, a Combine 4.75-40, a Pro Day 4.49-40, 1.56-10) #70 Bengals who’s now starting to put things together, Lawrence Sidbury, JR (6-2 3/4, 266, a Combine 4.64-40, a Pro Day 4.53-40, 1.53-10) #125 Falcons who’s done nothing yet, or Connor Barwin (6-3 5/8, 256, a Combine 4.66-40, a Pro Day 4.47-40, 1.53-10) #46 Texans who’s now their starting 3-4 OLB after 2 years of injuries.
- - DT/4-3 NT Roy Miller (6-1 5/8, 310, 4.95-40, 36 bench reps) #81 Buccaneers who started at 4-3 NT his first 2 seasons. He had 33 tackles (27 solo) and 2 sacks as a rookie in 2009, with 47 tackles (32 solo) and 1 sack in 2010, great numbers for a NT, but only 7 tackles (5 solo) this year as he’s battled injuries.
- - CB Jason McCourty (5-11 7/8, 193, 4.30-40) #203 Titans, who’s now their starting CB, and was recently ranked as the top rated CB in the 2009 draft in 2010 by ProFootballFocus.com. “Cherry picking” as some like to do McCourty could have been drafted by the Panthers at any later point in the draft through the #202 pick.
- - DE Henry Melton (6-3 1/2, 269, 4.64-40) #105 Bears, who is now up to 295 pounds, and starting for the Bears (after spending his rookie year on IR), as both a DT and a DE, with 3 sacks in the first 3 games (just what the Panthers need now a pass rushing UT who can slide out to a 3-4 DE, and be the run stopping backup DE they lack)). However, with him going before the Panthers pick, RB Mike Goodson (5-11 7/8, 208, a Combine 4.54-40, a Pro Day 4.43-40) has been a pretty good pick, though not great.
- - WR Johnny Knox (5-11 1/2, 185, 4.34-40) #140 Bears (51 catches for a 18.8 YPC in 2010, and he’s had some return TD’s as well), because Steve Smith was the only Panthers WR who could run a sub 4.6-40 at the time, and he’s getting older each season. As I pointed out at the time and again before he was cut in training camp, drafting a blocking only FB like Tony Fiammetta before the late 6th round is always a mistake (who was the expert that said “No, he’s the best blocking FB to enter the NFL in the last 10 years”?).
- - OT Andrew Gardner (6-7, 304, 4.96-40) #181 Dolphins, he’s only done a little better than Robinson, so i missed on that one. OG Duke Robinson (6-5, 329, 527-40) was never expected to fall below the 2nd or 3rd round, so it seemed like a good value pick at the time.
- - NT Myron Pryor (6-0 1/4, 319, 5.13-40) #207 Patriots, he’s been a good player burried behind more experienced players so far. People forget about Hurney’s great trade here, the # 202 pick to the Raiders for their #216 pick (it turned out to be Captain Munnerlyn), and the Raiders 6th round pick in 2010. As much as I love Titans CB Jason McCourty, who was drafted at #203, I would have jumped at that trade offer.
- - This pick was unexpected before the trade was made, and you couldn’t have done any better than CB Captain Munnerlyn (5-8 3.8, 182, a Combine 4.53-40, a Pro Day 4.41-40)
From this list you can see that it wasn’t so much a lack of talent in the 2009 draft, as it was poor draft choices by the Panthers. We can never know how close the Panthers were to drafting another player at each draft spot, or just how close a call it might have been.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 28, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It Was Like The "With All Due Respect" Coment People Use, You Wrote "I Hate To Play The Revisionist History Game" & Then Did Exactly That
The only fair way to “What if” a draft is to measure it against what you thought at the time of the draft, or else yor opinions (even unknowingly) will be influenced by that drafts players NFL procuction.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 28, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you missed the point
It doesn’t matter what I thought at the time of the draft
If a team selects a DT and he turns out to be vastly inferior to one selected 10 picks later then it’s their scouting department’s fault for doing a bad job evaluating talent. As a fan I can go back with revisionist history and say “What went so wrong that the team believed in so much talent in 2009 and almost none of it panned out? Especially with players on the board at the same positions who were better”
I always fully disclose that I have a passing knowledge of many prospects after the third round, but I can bet if I was part of a million dollar department whose soul job it was to evaluate talent over a 2-3 year period I could get it right more than I could get it wrong.
Your Key Phrase Is "Turns Out", No One Knew At The Time With 100% Accuracy How Players Will Perform Years In The Future, The Draft Is The Best Measure Of League Wide Of How They Rank Players Talent At The Time
You can never know what would have happened if a team hadn’t drafted a specific player at a certain draft spot, or how another player taken with that pick would have worked out.
A lot of a players performance depends upon the team situuation a player was drafted into, some players just aren’t good fits for their system. We’ve all seen it may times that a player is traded to a new team. and unexpectedly their production drops off the table (WR David Boston) or suddenly explodes (TE Wesley Walls). Some draft picks get lost on the depth chart just because they are stuck behind better talent, and can’t get playing time.
Injuries also play a part in how draft picks develop. We can never know how DT Corvey Irvin would have developed if not for his knee injury tha put him on IR for his rookie season.
I liked DT Sammie Lee Hill (6-4, 329, 5.11-40) at the time of the draft (and still do), but for some reason the Lions don’t value him as highly as his stats would make you think, or else the Lions wouldn’t have drafted DT’s (Suh #2 and Fairley #11) in the 1st round of the next 2 drafts, and traded for DT Corey Williams.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 28, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, nobody knows
Except as fans we can shrug it off and say “who knew?” but as a scouting department their bad decisions have ripples that last years.
Not holding a scouting department accountable for bad decisions because we say “There’s no way to know” is how a team puts themselves on the Oakland Raiders fast track.
Your Right James It's Just Like Any Other Job It's Measured On Results & They Don't Want To Hear Any Excuses
Personally, that’s all just all CYA by upper management and owhership, they could have stepped in at any point and said no, so actually by not doing so, they endorsed every decision by doing nothing to stop it. Those who made what are viewed later as mistakes are just the scapegoats for their bosses lazy supervision. The old Management Principle was that “You can deligate authority, but not responsibility”.
That’s why modern management practices are constantly changing, so that when someting goes wrong they can say “Your right boss, I’m right on top of it, and these are the changes I’ve made to correct it”. Then when the problem persist, it’s “Your right boss, I’m right on top of it, and these are the changes I’ve made to correct it”. It goes on month after month, with the previous changes that didn’t work even being recycled.
It’s all part of the modern kiss up, never take responsibility, always shift the blame culture of modern management. It’s a sort of weasle on weasle world now. LOL
by PanthersRoar on Sep 28, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I preferred dog eat dog, myself.
But you’re right. Accountability is a dying characteristic.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
If you are into measuring your scouting prowress against that of an NFL scouting dept, sure.
But using what they have done from a production standpoint is more about measuring the success of said scouting dept. independently.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
The Draft Is The Measure Of What All NFL Scouting Departments Think About All The Players At The Time Of The Draft
To look at players NFL production to measure wheather a draft pick was a bad pick at the time of the draft, is using knowledge that didn’t exist at the time to judge past decisions. Things always look somewhat different in retrospect than they did at the time.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 28, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand that.
But how are you going to evaluate the scouting department’s level of success?
To an extent, revisionist’s history can be used to determine
certain qualitiesa scouting dept has. Scouting is projecting, after all.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
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Meant to italicize, not block quote.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
That draft class was crap
At least we’ve gotten some talent out of it with Martin, Goodson, and Munnerlyn though.
As for Robinson, its just another case of a lazy athlete. All the talent in the world and he didn’t want to work. Shame.
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Particularly Among DE's At The Top Jake, With #11 Aaron Maybin & #43 Everette Brown out Of The NFL Now
Not every draft pick pans out, any pick is sort of a crap shoot no matter how much you check them out.and the Panthers made some poor choices in 2009.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 28, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow...was Duke still around?
Also, I’m looking at our entire draft history here…
‘98 looks pretty damn lackluster. It’s really hard to call 2009 our worst ever with two current starters (3 if you count Goody as our kickoff returner) coming out of that draft. I gotta go with 1998.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
by Newsinz on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I tend to agree with this.
If there’s any draft that can be worse than 2009….it’s definitely 1998.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
You guys forget
Even if we had our 2010 first draft pick back then we would have seleced Jimmy Clausen, so its not a matter of who we could have gotten in the first round of 2010, but rather who we could have gotten with our second pick. That changes this quite a bit in my opinion.
Are you suggesting the Panthers would have taken Jimmy Clausen with the 17th overall pick if we never traded it to San Francisco?
Honestly, I don’t see it
I don't either.
The only reason they took him (IMO) is because he was still on the board at 48, and Hurney’s never turned down a BPA value he didn’t see.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I do
Hurney was actively trying to trade up to get Clausen the price was too steep when Hurney knew a new staff would be in place the next year. I don’t have a doubt in my mind that Jimmy would have been a 1st rounder had not traded that pick.
"I kinda just sling it" -Jake
by bleed_in_blue on Sep 28, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
grammar fail
- had we not traded that pick
"I kinda just sling it" -Jake
by bleed_in_blue on Sep 28, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Either way, fail.
He’s not been worth a 2nd rounder. At least we can be thankful he didn’t screw up this year’s draft moving into the 1st to get him then. I still don’t think we would’ve taken him at 17 though. I would’ve suspected something along the lines of a Dan Williams or Odrick, who were both still on the board.
Can you imagine if he had been able to trade up in 2010 to grab Jimmy earlier?
What if he had traded 2011’s first rounder to move up? Then we would have traded the first overall pick for JC. I’m speechless at the thought…
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
How not?
They were trying to trade back into the first round to get him. They absolutely would have taken him with that pick, they were in love.
Following the close of the 1st day the Panthers were in discussions with St. Louis to move up to #33 to take Clausen, but there were never any talks with any team to move into the 1st round and take him.
It should be noted that the Panthers weren’t willing to meet St. Louis’ price of a 2011 1st rounder to get the #33, so if they weren’t ‘in love’ with him enough to meet the Rams’ price, why would they spend the #17 pick on him?
by James Dator on Sep 28, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Still blows my mind that Brown has not been picked up by any team
Maybe there is a reason why 31 other teams decide to pass on him in the 2009 draft.
They obviously knew something that the Panthers did not.
"Let the haters keep hating and I'll keep cashing the checks"-Steve Smith
Someone would've taken him and would be talking about their bad draft pick, only they obviously didn't trade out of the 1st round to get him.
I thought he may break out this year, but it obviously wasn’t happening. I remember when they made a big deal out of Peppers’ second season and having a full offseason to focus on football and lifting and not playing basketball and I was thinking Brown may have a season like that coming soon, but then again, i was also one who was holding out hope for Dwayne Jarrett.
RE: Bad Drafts
Take a look at 2004, all we got was Gamble (solid starter, but I think overrated), and Wharton (ditto, good but not great). Everything else is rubbish. Just when I thought ’04 was bad, look at ’03. We got Gross (granted, Pro-Bowl Left Tackle), but are ANY of the rest of the guys playing anywhere now?
And look at the 2000 draft, that one’s pretty embarassing. We got Deon Grant who balled for the few years he was here, but then drifted off into oblivion until his recent game of possum.
I wouldn't depict this as completely accurate.
We run a lot of weak isos…right behind Travelle.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Just seems...
If a play is getting blown up, especially in pass protection, it’s coming through that left side more often than not. I do think Wharton is better at run blocking, but then what big guy wouldn’t prefer to do the hitting that to sit back and take the hit?
He's a solid starting G.
I agree…offensive lineman must get tired of pass protecting all the time.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
The Jags Game Illistrates Your Point "SCP", But It's A Very Limited Sample Size
3 plays were runs behind the LG Wharton, for -2, +4, and -2 yards, a 0.0 YPC.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not quite as good at run blocking as he is pass blocking either...
That doesn’t change the fact that Wharton has quietly been one of our best draft picks of the past 10 years when comparing where we got him to how he’s performed
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
by Tomthehomer on Sep 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I posted this in Jaxon's first half thread too, but this is the more current thread so I thought I'd repost...
Not at all related to Duke Robinson…. but….
I mentioned something about a kick off the other day and am rewatching this game on Sunday Ticket Shortcuts right now….
The second half kickoff hits the ground on about the 5 yard line, the returner has one foot on about the 1 yard line, his second foot looks to be be barely touching the outside line of the end zone just before he touches it and looks to be either fully in the field or like the outside inch of his foot touching the white line when he makes first contact with the ball. It then sort of bounces of his chest/hand and into the end zone. He follows it into the end zone and then downs it about 2 yards deep in the end zone.
Why is this not a safety? Is it because his foot is touching the line? I thought if even one foot was out you were considered out of the end zone.
Here is a pic of when he first touches the ball
Sorry for the crappy quality, taken with my phone from my TV.
by MindMachine on Sep 28, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He touches it, but doesn't possess it.
That’s why he can still take a knee. (This is my best guess, as the rule-book is vague on KOs and the safety.)
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
He touches it in the end zone (TWSS)
You can “muff” the kickoff in the end zone and still get a touchback, provided the kicking team doesn’t recover it first.
As you can see in the picture (which I must say is really cool because it looks like something you’d see on the weather channel), his foot is on the goal line, which is part of the end zone (the end zone starts at the front of the line).
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
(Delayed...)
You said “muff.”
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
(I was thinking about the “end zone”.)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
OK. Thanx BW and ERL
I just remember watching that play and thinking it seemed weird that he kind of bobbled it in the field and then downed it.
by MindMachine on Sep 28, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
When was Carruth drafted?
Because that was the worst draft.
I hated the ’09 draft, though. Maybe we should just trade all of our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders because most of the recent picks in these rounds have been brutal.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
1997...and that one was pretty brutal too...
Mike Minter and Kris Mangum were the only two who turned out to be any good at all, and we got a convicted felon in the 1st round…never a good sign.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
That Minter guy....
He ended up being alright.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 28, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/draft.htm
In case you needed the link to look at draft classes. My bad.
Draft classes aside, I wonder if....
We are cutting Duke to make roster room for another addition
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I may stand corrected on this.... the 2005 draft could be the worse of all time.
Thomas Davis and Hangartner = good
But look at the bad…. Eric Shelton, Evan Mathis, Stefan LeFors, Adam Seward, Ben Emanuel, Jovan Haye, Joe Berger
Haye Was Cut By The Titans In Training Camp & No One Has Signed Him Yet
He’s only had 1 good season with the Bucs, and 1 OK season with the Titans in his whole career.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 28, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely!
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Sep 28, 2011 10:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
2000's pretty bad too
Rashard Anderson, Deon Grant, Leander Jordan, Alvin McKinley, Gillis Wilson, Jeno James, and Lester Towns
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Not to beat a dead horse but
I’m thinking we released him to pick someone else.
It could possibly A. Curry or even someone else b ut i guess we will see.
He was IR man...
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Sep 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He was already on IR, so we didn’t need to free up a roster spot.
by James Dator on Sep 28, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
He must have been AWOL...can't even commit to IR duties?
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
LOL
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Nooooo
We had the steal of the draft, also the best 3rd RB in the league in goody in the 4th, and our starting (and one of the leagues better young) safety. If that is our worst than we have had some great drafts haha.:TBH though, the day after that draft I remember thinking this was pur best top to bottom draft ever, potentially 6 starters. That potential washed up for several
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Sep 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Me too
Thank God Stewart came along to erase all the bad memories that Shelton’s epic fail brought to us.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
If you look at the Panthers' drafts since 2007
Not one single player has been to a pro bowl. That’s three classes worth of draft picks that have really only produced mediocre talent. Hurney and company have drafted a few good players throughout the years, but the misses are far out pacing the hits as far as I’m concerned. Either our scouting department needs an overhaul, or we need a new GM. Our drafts throughout Hurney’s tenure have been pretty bad, in my opinion. Granted, he was using information from the scouting dept and the coaching staff to make the decisions, but some of those picks and trades were just horrible.
Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)
by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions
Someone on WFNZ (take if for what its worth)
Said that the Panthers have the fewest amount of scouts in the league besides the Bengals. If true…somewhat telling.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Yeah, we went from penny-pinching, to throwing big money at a few core players.
We’ve GOT to get better talent in here. It seems the philosophy seems to be to find the hidden gems on the cheap. I love the stories, and certainly good for the bottom dollar, but you have to have top-tier talent to stay above water. We have a solid team, but need to start collecting some upper echelon guys that could be found with more homework being done before the drafts. When we draft some of these no-name guys, you read on Panthers.com about “oh he had a big game against Baylor back in 2009”, etc…it’s like we watch some highlight tapes that kids send to colleges when recrruiting, rather than actually doing any scouting. We’ve GOT to step it up.
Well we actually just overhauled our scouting dept.
so I guess you were right.
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2003 was a pretty bad draft
We got Gross who was awesome and Manning Jr. who had that ridiculous playoff interception binge that propelled us to the super bowl, but other than that….nothing.
Good Drafts:
2001 (Dan Morgan, Kris Jenkins, Steve Smith)
2002 (Peppers, Foster, Witherspoon)
2004 (Gamble, Colbert, Wharton) – Colbert was sick that year
2006 (DWill, Marshall, JA)
2007 (SICK) – Beason, Kalil, CJ
2008 (Stewart, Otah, Godfrey, Connor, Schwartz)
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by SouthernPanther on Sep 28, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions
Godfrey
He seems to be picking up his game a little with some attitude or swag, but he’s taken TERRIBLE angles in the AZ and GB games that ended up being huge gains that could’ve been stopped for 10-15 yard gains. Instead, they went for 40+ and touchdowns. He and Martin both have done this a couple times each lately. Godfrey I’m still not sold on though. He does seem to want to lay the wood though when he comes in for a hit. Hopefully that will translate into some forced fumbles.
Godfrey does take some horrible angles in coverage sometime
and the peyton hillis trucking last year doesn’t help his stock, but he seems to have stepped his game up this year from what I’ve watched.
"Don't put off til tomorrow what you can put off til the day after tomorrow." -Mark Twain
by SouthernPanther on Sep 28, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
After being in Seattle for the game last year
I will always have respect for Godfrey. On back-to-back plays, he absolutely LEVELED the ball carrier, I think one was a pass over the middle and the other was coming up in run coverage. Knocked both guys out of the game for at least a couple of plays. Not sure if they came back in. But the buddy I was with was all “WHO THE HELL IS THAT? Didn’t know the Panthers had a wrecking ball for a safety.”
And now the dude is a captain. Here’s hoping he keeps on improving.
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-John Fox on team's 0-3 start
I assume it isn't too much, but...
How much “fat” are we trimming off the cap by waiving Duke? Or are we still hooked for this year on his contract?
Probably not much
He was a fifth rounder, so probably the minimum. There was most likely an injury settlement, which would be a percentage of his pay.
Weren’t there some changes made in the scouting department with the incoming of BAMF? That may help next year with better scouts evaluating talent…
Gotta swing to make contact, no more guessing on guys
Just about anyone could pick someone in the 1st round, as is evidenced by Hurney’s hits on 1st round picks. That’s easy. We need guys who can scour the schools and whose only job is traveling to scout guys that would come in the 2nd round and later. Someone who watches the SEC all year, someone else to watch the ACC, and so on. Then they could start hitting home runs on the guys that don’t make ESPN but are solid 4th/5th round picks that can play some ball.
Sherrod Martin is a talented safety in my opinion though. If he ever lights it up and becomes a star in our new defense, upgrade the draft to sub-par.
Until then, this was the absolute worst draft in our history.
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There was a story long ago about a man who saved the world. A legendary receiver with speed as fast as light itself. But he has passed on. His journey is one with the Raiders. But now, a new star has risen in the heart of the South. His veins bleeds orange. His legs are thick, his movement swift, and his hands are as large as the heart in his chest. His name is Sammy Watkins. And together with Sherlock Boyd, they will solve many mysteries together.
definitely 1998
the 1998 draft (led off by jason peter shutter) is definitely the worst. Not one player drafted made any impact whatsoever. Only three players started a game for the panthers. Talk about a wasted draft…
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