Jags vs. Panthers 1st Half Replay Musings & Notes
As I watched the replay of the Panthers win over the Jags I saw some things I didn't quite pick up or fully appreciate that I thought I would mention. I'm hopeful I'll see a number of things that make me feel even better about pulling out a victory.
- It was against DE Charles Johnson that the hands to the face penalty was called on the Jags that led to the safety by Hardy. Both of our DEs put pressure on the Jags pocket all game.
- MJD had 14 yards on 8 carries outside of that killer 39 yarder right before halftime. The Panthers did a good job of keeping him in check...again, outside of that last 52 seconds in the first half they did a good job.
- I'm not sure I'm buying into the theory J-Stew simply has better opportunities to run the ball than D-Will. He ran well on all 3 downs from what I saw. Yet I will also say I feel better about Williams performance after watching it a second time. On two plays I thought he should have cutback outside like he normally does but he instead kept it going up the middle. Other than that I thought he did fine for what was given. I think Williams is simply the victim of past success at the moment.
- After hearing the Jags kept the Panthers WRs in check with two deep safeties I have to agree that's a good scheme to run against Newton. It's those intermediate passes he has trouble with the ball sailing. Take away the deep ball and you force him to throw short. Now when Newton gets those intermediate throws down...look out!
- DE Charles Johnson's 3rd down tackle for a loss was one of the top defensive plays of the day
- Are we seeing a coaching trend with Ron Rivera in that he doesn't kick 50 yard field goals unless he has too? How did he pass up that 50 yarder to seal the deal against the Jags? He passed up a 53 yarder with 4 minutes left in the 1st half and another 50 yarder in the Cardinals game. I'm not saying it was a bad call on that last one (obviously because it worked) but I'm just not sure how a coach doesn't roll the dice given he's got a good kicker. I'm wondering Rivera just might as a rule of thumb avoid 50 yard kicks. Or maybe Mare hasn't passed all of Rivera's pledge tests? More after the jump...
- You might remember a nice run by J-Stew off RG was negated by a block in the back penalty by Smitty. The call was a good one which hurts because it was not needed, CB was not in position to make the tackles. All Smitty had to do was seal the CB from stepping back inside after he took the outside route. Off right tackle is Stewie's favorite run.
- Still amazed Newton was never sacked... that's one part of his game no one can argue with.
- Still chuckling at Blaine Gabbert's nickname: Sunshine... and agree with Alfie that its partially the irony that he's really a midwestern red neck more so than a California pretty boy [no obvious references intended]
- Darius Butler made a sweet play on the ball on 3rd and 10 with 3 min left int he 1st half. He first faked a soft coverage but then jumped up to cover the underneath route and broke up the pass. Butler confused me with his #27, during the game I thought he was CJ Wilson [who is no longer on the roster btw...fml]
- It's around the 3 minute mark that it starts pouring like piss out of boot. The Panthers actually run a play from the shotgun in the down pour and Goodson not surprisingly drops it. There was only a 20% chance of rain that day.
- Can someone please post more pictures of the top cats cheering during the down purr? I find those...inspiring!
- At the 2 minute mark in the 1st half we go to a commercial break and during the commercial CBS must have picked the foggiest camera they had to give the feed too and then didn't even try any other ones. Consequently you really can't see Sherrod Martin's INT, you just see all the players suddenly run in the other direction. It was funny that Martin had his jersey stretched about 2 yards before finally being tackled. The INT was a gift by the way...
- After a J-Stew drop with a a 1:23 left in the half a stat was shown that the Panthers are T-2nd in the NFL with 10 dropped passes. I wouldn't have thought we were ranked that high.
- If Sherrod Martin had made the tackle when he had his shot at MJD no way they score at the end of the half like they did...it was a feeble attempt at that
- and then there is the passing play for the score right at the end of the half...suck, that is all
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nothing about the "phantom elbow"?
I am still waiting for the replay that showed J-Stew’s elbow on the ground.
I also second the motion for more picks of storm drenched Top Cats
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8570098/stewartsarm.jpg
Its hard to see in the screenshot, but the black circle on the left side is his fist. If you watch this angle slowly, you’ll see his fist slam down with his forearm completely perpendicular with the ground aka elbow down.
I'm sorry
But that’s not even REMOTELY conclusive as far as i’m concerned.
by hadisious on Sep 28, 2011 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you watch it in motion, its entirely conclusive. One angle shows stewie throw his left arm under him to catch himself while falling, the other angle shows that his hand was not under him so he did not land on his hand only, his entire forearm was used to stop the fall. Again, the photo only shows when his arm made contact, watching it in motion tells the whole story.
I actually do think he put his elbow down to stop his fall.
I thought that at the time.
However, the wording of the rule is that they need indisputable evidence to overturn a call on the field. That wasn’t evident from the replay – they were simply guessing.
Or rather they went with the conservative call, i.e. overturning the controversial huge play, so they didn’t get called into the head of refereeing’s office on Monday morning and/or raked over the coals by the media.
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Yup. Spineless as usual.
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Its not conclusive.
To overturn the call it has to be. That’s iffy to say the least.
by Swamp Panther on Sep 28, 2011 7:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was upset with the call
until I watched the replays several times. Like it or not, its there.
Interesting point on dropped passes.
Cam’s completion percentage and total overall passing yardage should be even higher.
That's Hard To Say "Pantherboy", Because We Don't Know How Many Great Plays By Receivers May Have Saved Incompletions, They Usually Just About Even Out
by PanthersRoar on Sep 27, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You make an interesting point, however...
I was speaking specifically about dropped passes. This means that the ball should have been caught because it hit the receivers hands and was simply dropped. You could probably argue that many great catches could have easily been dropped, but NFL receivers will tell you that they should be expected to catch any ball that has been placed where they can get their hands on it.
by Derek Leazer on Sep 27, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Amusing Musings....enjoyed reading these.
I think Martin had a good shot to make the tackle on the TD play also. If they don’t score on that play the half is over.
Thanks...
and I have to say…if I was at this game and saw the cheerleaders out there doing their thing in the rain I would feel obligated to sit in the rain and watch…the game [and maybe the cheerleaders].
BTW, 2 of the last 3 games I’ve attended it rained and I did sit in the rain, but admit I bought a $7 poncho [sheet of plastic with three holes].
Blown Calls
I watched the game again today too and noticed some similar things as well. It looks to my untrained eye like Cam’s throwing off his back foot when he sails those balls. Something I think was a concern in the preseason too, hope they can fix that. I think D-Wills been overly criticized too. He definitely had more obvious run plays and almost broke a big run at one point. The refs blew it big time on that Stewart call. He was not down and if his elbow did hit there was no way to tell from the replays. Im still pissed about this, Jacksonville never should have had that touchdown and we should have gone in at the half up 8-2 or 12-2. Also Munnerlyn played a great game and that PI call at the end of the game was total bullshit. The receiver was pushing off the whole time. If Cam completed some of those early passes and we didn’t get screwed by the refs this could have been a blow out. I think we’re on our way to having a great team. Look out Chicago
The Panthers Defense Played Their Best Yet, But Big Plays Were Still A Problem
It’s hard not to allow a TD if you allow big plays of a 39 yard run, and a 36 yard pass back to back.
Except for 3 big rushing gains of 21, 24, and 39 yards by MJD, the Panthers run defense was very good, 31 carries for 44 yards, 1.4 YPC. That YPC number is a little better for MJD alone, without those 3 big gains, 21 carries for 38 yards, 1.8 YPC.
Other that the 1 big play pass of 36 yards for the TD to end the 1st half, and MJD’s long reception of 24 yards, no Jaguars receiver caught a pass longer that 14 yards by RB Karim. Those numbers were certainly an improvement over the 4 passes for 49 yards or more (49, 55, 70, and 84 yards) in the first 2 games.
9 of DeAlgelo Williams 10 carries came on 1st down, for only a 1.7 YPC, because running plays are more expected on Panthers 1st downs, 14 runs (58.3% of the time) to 10 passes (41.6% of the time). Williams gained 3 yards on his only carry not on 1st down (2 and 6), whe runs are somewhat less expected.
btw
SBN turned this site into hot garbage earlier today. Couldn’t interact with it at all except in mobile mode. My guess is your test is b/c it wouldn’t let you press post as well.
Prolly a virus on the server
I keep getting virus alerts about the CSR website on my pc, so I just switch over to my virus-proof Mac when that happens.
by Panthster on Sep 28, 2011 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Major fallacy there
Macs are not virus-proof, they just censor and delete people who post about them on their forums and refuse to acknowledge them publically. Kinda like “you’re holding it wrong.” Don’t fall into the trap of false sense of security and remain diligent.
Passing up long field goals.
Yeah, I haven’t been too thrilled with the decisions either. You have to take a chance to seal the game from 50 yards out. Three more points would have pushed the lead to 9, with little over a minute left. Instead, we punted, up 6, and like on every single special teams play we were penalized, resulting in a 12-yard net. Then we proceeded to let them gain another 35 yards with the remaining time, only to get a lucky bounce, so to speak, when they managed the clock poorly.
Again, try the 50-yarder. Making it a two possession game is more important than 12 yards of field position. Why in the world would we pay a kicker $3M a season if we’re scared to attempt anything over 40 yards?
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Kasay would have made that kick.
I’m hating that move more day by day, if that’s possible.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Sep 27, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the condition of the field at the time, I highly doubt it.
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bingo. this is correct
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 28, 2011 12:48 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
You'd probably be OK with it if Mare was actually given a chance to come through in the clutch.
It’s not like he’s shanking field goals all over the place. In fact, he’s perfect thus far this season.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
On a sloppy wet field like that!
With a 38 + year old kicker, you might wanna pass on a long kick. Don’t give the ball to the other team at mid-field.
Sloppy fields also get kickers injured. Good kickers are hard to replace.
by criolle johnny on Sep 28, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He is a professional kicker. He can make that kick.
If the coaches don’t have confidence in him (this has been a trend, not a one-time occurrence) then they need to find another kicker.
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I wouldnt be worried about the kick, I would be worried about the snap and hold in those conditions
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The first half decision was perplexing given Mare's leg...
the 4th quarter was not though; That field was in no condition to be attempting 50 yard FG on…hell, I would’ve been worried about 40 given the condition of the field at that point!
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Don't forget about the wet balls.........wait for it....
Rocking the boat and righting the ship! Making the moves needed...Go Panthers!!!
Schweddy...
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I wish they would post publically
the response from the NFL on terrible calls. You know Rivera lodged a formal complaint about the terrible officiating, two calls in particular. In a game that close the refs could be receiving a game ball from Jacksonville if not for the offense finally stepping up. Elbowgate could have easily had us at 0-3. If you don’t let everyone know the outcome you only set yourself up for pansies like Vick to publically complain to get your point across.
by Swamp Panther on Sep 28, 2011 4:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Its a corrupt game
There will always be “bad” calls, but if Newton replaces Vick as their new wonder boy, I think we will actually start getting those calls in our favor.
by Panthster on Sep 28, 2011 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good point, and I bet we will too.
Once he starts getting ratings in for the NFL, which he already is, they will make sure no one cheap shots him in the pocket as much.
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Off topic -
Does anyone know the whereabouts of that little spam-eater we drafted out of Hawaii?
by Swamp Panther on Sep 28, 2011 5:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
heh...spam-eater
He has been inactive on gamedays, but is healthy again.
Only one I got, but inspire away...
by FF Companion on Sep 28, 2011 6:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Apparently Blaine Gabbert's nickname is Sunshine because of Remember the Titans.
And boy, you really took the news about losing CJ Wilson huh Jax?
Not sure who else has the ability to re-watch this game...
But I mentioned something about a kick off the other day and am rewatching this game on Sunday Ticket Shortcuts right now….
The second half kickoff hits the ground on about the 5 yard line, the returner has one foot on about the 1 yard line, his second foot looks to be be barely touching the outside line of the end zone just before he touches it and looks to be either fully in the field or like the outside inch of his foot touching the white line when he makes first contact with the ball. It then sort of bounces of his chest/hand and into the end zone. He follows it into the end zone and then downs it about 2 yards deep in the end zone.
Why is this not a safety? Is it because his foot is touching the line? I thought if even one foot was out you were considered out of the end zone.
I tried to explain this rule in the offseason...
‘Safety’ rules are different on kickoffs.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
So you are saying that you can touch the ball in bounds and then down it in the end zone?
by MindMachine on Sep 28, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what I'm saying, to be honest.
I think, in this case, the fact that he didn’t really have possession of the ball until he was back in the EZ makes a difference. The safety rules are vague on kick-offs (if you look at the rule-book).
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I reposted this in the Duke Robinson threat BTW
I’m gonna post a pic of first contact.
by MindMachine on Sep 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That punt vs. kick the FG decision was very Fox-like
I didnt like it at all, but with the rain and the game on the line, in hindsight it looks like the right call. Nonetheless, why did we get rid of Kasay for a big leg like Mare if we arent going to let him try to punch it in from 50?
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Yup.
“This is our concern, dude.”
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
lol
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 28, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The field was a mud pit. There was no reason to risk giving the Jags good field position on a missed FG (which, as it turns out, had they had the good field position from a miss, we could have lost).
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I understand why he did it.
But the net result was—they started the drive on their own 30…12 yards from where they would have had it if we’d missed a FG attempt.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
I know...
But 8 times out of 10 they pin them behind the 20, which would make it the right call.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Yeah, that is the thinking.
After watching three games, I have less faith in Baker than I do Mare, so that might be the harbinger for me.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Did anyone notice that it looked like Olsen had called the 2 point conversion...?
It looked like he was the one calling the play in the huddle..maybe calling attention to the coverage or something…
Rocking the boat and righting the ship! Making the moves needed...Go Panthers!!!
yeah- looked like he was doing the playground thing...
everybody go right- i’m taking the short dude left, Cam, throw it high- I GOT THIS!
(who needs an OC…)
My thoughts exactly.
Cam called the play, Greg said “F that,…”
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."

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