Looking at Cam's ability to spread the football
by James Dator on Sep 23, 2011 9:20 AM EDT
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One of the critiques I've heard leveled at Cam Newton is that he 'locks on' to Steve Smith too much. Roughly two years back I looked at this notion as it pertained to Jake Delhomme who was routinely charged with the same thing. At that time I went and looked at some of the top QBs around the NFL and found that in the case of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Philip Rivers all three QBs targeted their #1 receiver (whether it be a WR, or TE in the case of Rivers) roughly 34% of the time.
What I found with Jake Delhomme is that he went to Smitty roughly 32% of the time, and Matt Moore targeted Smith 31.2% of the time. Both QBs actually went to their #1 less often that those top three QBs did with their respective players. This morning I went and pulled the data for Cam Newton, and it's pretty interesting.
After the jump you can see how Cam is distributing the football.
Cam Newton- 83 pass attempts
Steve Smith: 24 targets, 14 receptions- Targeted 29% of the time.
Legedu Naanee: 12 targets, 3 receptions- Targeted 14.5% of the time (Side note: Catch the ball Naanee!)
Jonathan Stewart: 11 targets, 10 receptions- Targeted 13% of the time
Brandon LaFell: 10 targets, 8 receptions- Targeted 12% of the time (Side note: Hands of stone become hands of glue)
Greg Olsen: 10 targets, 5 receptions- Targeted 12% of the time
Jeremy Shockey: 8 targets, 6 receptions- Targeted 9.6% of the time
DeAngelo Williams: 6 targets, 5 receptions- Targeted 7.4% of the time
Mike Goodson: 2 targets, 1 receptions- Targeted 2.5% of the time
What's so dramatic about this is that Newton is forcing the ball a little too much to Smith. When you see that disparity between targets and receptions that's what's happening... but when Smitty is leading the league in yards can you really blame him? Despite forcing the ball too much, really he's not 'locking on' to Steve Smith, as indicated by his sub-30% target rate.
The more dramatic trend is seeing basically five other receivers being targeted over 10% of the time (Naanee, LaFell, Olsen, Stewart, Shockey). As it stands it's near impossible to find a way with how Cam Newton is sharing the ball with his receivers.
In fact, he's actually sharing the ball better than Tom Brady who has 46.5% of his targets going to either Wes Welker or Deion Branch
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FUN FACT
Even though it’s been quiet, Brandon LaFell is really having a hell of a season so far.
As a #3 receiver he’s on pace for 64 receptions for 952 yards and 8 TDs…. of course, that will drop off some as the season goes, but the fact remains that he should be starting.
I just hope he gives the coaches what they want in practice so he can start opposite Smitty.
LaFell looks a lot better than he did last year
He needs to be starting on Sunday.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 23, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
he looked better than he did in pre season
He did great for a rookie last year. I think he smells blood and thinks he could cement a place in the team this year. Bad news for butterfingers when gettis gets back….
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by LimeyPanther on Sep 23, 2011 11:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One of the things Rivera said...
is that it may be a byproduct of playing in that #3 role. If you move him to #2, he gets matched up against different personnel and he may not be as successful.
That being said, I still think it’s worth moving him to #2 and seeing what he’s got. Because he is definitely impressing me this year. My guess is Rivera wants to see just how consistent he is and make him really earn the #2 spot.
The other part is, Cam hasn’t quite established chemistry with Nanee. There are times when Nanee is open, but Cam’s throw is off target. The endzone throw comes to mind immediately in this case. Nanee couldn’t have been more open and Cam threw the ball just a bit too wide. Then there was the overthrow that lead to his 3rd INT against the packers.
Overall I’m disappointed with Nanee’s production, but I’m patient enough to see if Cam can work on his chemistry with him a bit more. If they start clicking, then we have a very potent receiving corps. Just how patient is Rivera, though? At some point, if it continues like this, he’ll have to make a change, IMHO.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 23, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Naanee STOPPED running. (on that end zone miss)
That is all.
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Negative.
That was the route. He sold the inside move really well carrying the defense with him, and then turned it to the outside. That one was on Cam. I’m not saying Nanee is playing like a pro bowler and it’s all Cam’s fault. However, it’s not all Nanee’s fault either. Cam’s got some blame on several of the incompletions he’s made to all receivers. Not that I’m disappointed, I couldn’t be more thrilled with his play overall.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 23, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
If that was the route then they should never run that play again…Naanee didn’t run the full route.
I’m not saying that Cam would have hit him in the hands had he run the full route, but there’s no way that Naanee ran the whole route.
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I'm watching the play right now...
He ran the full route. It was a great play. Easy TD. The throw was just too wide. The “stop” that people are talking about is Nanee planting his foot on the ground and turning the route outside. The play design was good, the execution by the receiver was good. The decision to throw that way was good. Unfortunately, the throw was just too wide.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 23, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You…are…actually…watching…the…play…and…not…just…conjecturing…from…memory? I’m flabbergasted.
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The fact is.......
We don’t know if he ran the full route or not. I also think that the pass was too wide, but Naanee clearly hesitated. Whether it was by design, a mental break down, or a flat out mistake is debatable. Only the coaches know for sure.
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I don't want to beat a dead horse... that game is in the books...
I feel like I’ve stated my case as clearly as I can and I feel pretty strong about it. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one and hope for a ‘W’ this Sunday. I apologize if I was making a mountain out of a molehill.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 23, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I just don’t see how any of us could possibly know what was supposed to happen. We can speculate, as we do on most things here, but only the coaches know for sure.
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the fact is.....
Cam is the new darling of the carolina’s. Stupid butterfingers not anticipating cams throw and making him look bad
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by LimeyPanther on Sep 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That ONE may have been on Cam
But Naanee has still missed 4 RZ passes. Even if the blame is split 50/50, Cam is a rookie and get’s the benefit of the doubt on those plays. Naanee needs to pull his dreads out of his butt and start playing harder for those passes. All 4 passes he missed would have kept us in the game.
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I think a good receiver
goes after a pass that isn’t thrown right to him. Nanaa never even makes an attempt. I think he is just not very athletic. He has no ability to stop, spin or dive. Then there are the drops that hit him in the hands, chest, and face which lead me to believe he is just not very good at catching either. To me, he is a spoiler. Any throws to him, are a chance that somebody else could have made the completion and scored a td.
This is to Rivera what 3rd and long was to John Fox. I guess we will see if Rivera is as stubborn as fox.
by Panthster on Sep 23, 2011 10:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its a good point
My devil’s advocate argument for Naanee is how much he’s getting open. LaFell makes some great circus catches…over defenders that are blanketing him. When your QB isn’t making pinpoint precise throws on a very consistent basis, its probably a bad idea to throw to the guy whose getting the least separation.
Now THAT is something I must give Naanee credit for.
He is very savvy in finding open space in the defense. Hopefully he will show Lafell the ropes, and pass the torch accordingly.
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He also got a bullshit flag for offensive PI agains the Packers
Where he did exactly that… found open space, and Cam found him.
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I wonder
if he’s maybe going “off script” with his route running to get open. It might explain why he and Cam have weak chemistry.
I think most routes have an element of chemistry involved, based on the actual coverage...
QBs and WRs have to recognize the same thing, and make the play accordingly. They didn’t on that play. $hit happens. Sometimes chemistry takes awhile. Other times, as with Smitty and Lafell, that chemistry (i.e., being on the same page) has been marvelous to watch; not to mention Shockey and Olsen (and now Stewart ???)
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
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What’s in a number?
That which we call #2 would smell as skank were it not #2 called.
So, Lafell would, were he not #2 called, retain that dear perfection which he owes without that title.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
As I'm sure you all noticed, I picked him up in CSR1
I predict he will be an effective bye week filler at worst, and a great WR3 at best in fantasy… which means I think he is going to consistently put up WR2 numbers on the real team.
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Good stuff as always James
So we’ve got a young QB that’s an athletic freak, with a rocket arm, that’s already very adept at spreading the ball around the offense? Cam’s proved me wrong on a lot of things, and I don’t think I’ve ever been happier about being wrong!
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I think they way the term "locking on" has been used by the media is a misnomer
The way the media uses “lock on” is more about forcing the ball than overtargeting one player. In that sense, he is locking on to Smith.
Fair point
But it’s curious that Tom Brady isn’t ‘locking on’ to Wes Welker (22 targets, 15 receptions) or Tony Romo isn’t ‘locking on’ to Miles Austin (24 targets, 14 receptions).
When it comes to Cam Newton he’s judged on a different scale.
I don't think its just a Cam Newton thing
Delhomme “locked on” to Steve Smith his whole career as a Panther. I think its a case of a somewhat false assessment of someone who isn’t an elite QB, therefore people care less whether or not what’s being reported is factual.
The fact that he got intercepted by Woodson twice doesn’t exactly help matters either.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 23, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
But that shouldn’t really matter…Woodson is a 1st ballot HOF’er, and still the only DB in the entire history of college football to win the Heisman. He’s pretty decent. :-)
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You're right
But when the opposing #1 CB intercepts you twice, it doesn’t help the perception that you’re locking on to your #1 WR.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 23, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
As i said back when Delhomme did it
There is a reason that Steve Smith gets locked on to… He is very very good, and he fights for the ball better than anyone. He is also excellent at playing defense against a potential INT.
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If we weren't "locking on" to Steve
Everybody would be complaining about not using our ProBowler enough.
This is probably true.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on Sep 23, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Along the lines of what ppalm said
The way that I have always understood it “Locking on” to a receiver is about a QB staring him down in his route and not using his eyes to move defenders, nothing to do with % of targets
It Doesn't Show In The Stats, But I've Noticed Cam Often Throws To The Same Receiver On Back-To-Back Plays, & Defense's May Start Expecting It
by PanthersRoar on Sep 23, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that happens more when there is a penalty and the play is nullified
And your right, they seem to go right back to that same play to often. This might catch up with them.
OMG his towel is off his head!
Does that mean he is a team player now?
Smitty’s all like, “nice of you to finally join us, you friggin’ recluse.”
/sarcasm
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by Newsinz on Sep 23, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
has anyone asked him about that yet?
Is it just a way to focus?
by panthersnbraves on Sep 23, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It's clear... he's a jedi
When he takes his hood off it means he’s about to beat some ass, when he puts it back on it means it’s time to rest.
by James Dator on Sep 23, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
The force is strong with this one
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by LimeyPanther on Sep 23, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he's done it for a long time, did it at Auburn too
I strongly suspect it a way to focus. I used to do something similar, as a matter of fact.
I saw Smith with the towel over his head last game also.
Maybe its some kind of thing to keep your body temp at a good playing level so they don’t get too cooled off between possessions. Or the most likely thing is, they were ashamed and didn’t want to have to look their teammates in the eyes at those times.
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by Oi2dwrld on Sep 23, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would rather see
Smitty targeted 50% of the time. People who say he throws to Smitty to much are ignorant. There is a reason you are a team’s number 1 receiver. Normally your first read, if not there then you move to the next and if all else fails throw it up and let smitty go get it.
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50% is far too much
That IS locking on to one WR, and that’s a bad thing. What Cam is doing is beneficial to the offense.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 23, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed...another "Jake" popped in my mind when I saw that 50% request.
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Can we PLEASE start LaFell
Legedamn you suck just isn’t cutting it.
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by Smitty89 on Sep 23, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
+2
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Sep 23, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+11
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
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by The Duke Dude on Sep 23, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Le-Ge-Du Naa-Nee
Give-the-ball-a-way
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by Tater596 on Sep 23, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What if Nonna has a 200+ yard game this weekend...
That would be funny for me, because he drives me crazy. Then I will have to spell his name right, out of respect.
He's not throw the ball to AE yet, so he's obviously not spreading the ball around enough!
/jk
Although I was surprised that Edwards has not been in at all, after doing well in pre-season.
by panthersnbraves on Sep 23, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
It seems like they're letting him focus on PR duty
Instead of throwing him into the mix on everything. If that is the case, we may see him in a greater role later in the year.
I agree, he doesn't really need to be on the field at WR
If you’re lining up Smith/Naanee/LaFell and Olsen/Shockey and Stewart/Williams… you’ve run out of spots.
His niche seems to be in the PR game barring an injury at WR, god forbid.
I still want to see the Mountaineer formation make an appearance.
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do you think
we’ll start to see more of the creative side of the play book this week?
maybe some mountaineer set draw plays to free up the run, or other fun stuff?
he's had the ball stripped from him twice after getting his hands on it...
…he just needs to add some strength and then I imagine we’ll see him on the field for offensive sets a little more.
more likey
The coaching staff has realised he’s bollocks! Lol, I jest don’t kill me tater. But seriously he pants. Once the flying Hawaiian gets back he’s gonna lose his return duty too. :)
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by LimeyPanther on Sep 23, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
how do you figure?
The flying Hawaiian is not a punt returner. Armanti got all the reps at PR in the preseason other than Jamorris Warren, and we saw how that worked out (when Warren was in)
Armanti has done nothing to lose the PR job yet this season. So far on every PR (which there have only been like 4) he has had nowhere to go, as our blocking has been atrocious.
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Except for the one good return that got erased by a block in the back penalty :(
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 23, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
and the many many that did in the preseason as well
Returns in general, whether KR or PR, have just been bad this season… and the fault doesn’t fall on either Goodson or Armanti for that so far.
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The kid is fast as lightning
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by LimeyPanther on Sep 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought everyone was kung-fu fighting
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by LimeyPanther on Sep 23, 2011 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In fact it was a little bit frightning
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
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by The Duke Dude on Sep 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Even though they fought with expert timing?
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Well I prefer "disturbing" to "disgusting..."
…but it’s close enough for jazz. :-D Thank you.
Let's take those fine stats the next, logical, step...
To ascertain just how these passes, to certain targets, move the chains, let’s divide those receiving yards by the times they were TARGETED (I’ll call it YPT), which would equate to the benefit derived from measuring RBs by their YPC, not just their yds per plays where there were gains (which is what’s shown by the YPC number, which is widely quoted.)
If that’s done, we see the following:
Steve Smith: 334 yds, by 24 targeted passes = 13.9 YPT
Jeremy Shockey: 107 yds, by 8 = 13.3
Brandon LaFell: 119 yds, by 10 = 11.9
Greg Olsen: 112 yds, by 10 = 11.2
Jonathan Stewart: 114 yds, by 11 = 10.4
DeAngelo Williams: 29 yds, by 6 = 4.8
Legadu Naanee: 35 yds, by 12 = 2.9
Mike Goodson: 4 yds, by 2 = 2.0
Whoa!! This shows there are FIVE (5!) Panthers that, on average move the chains by more than a FD, every time Newton goes to any of them. (Now this is somewhat inaccurate, as a 40 yd completion averages out to 5 FDs, when averaged with 4 catches of 3 yds each – but the new result is the same.)
It also shows how effective certain receivers have been, and how ineffective others are.
If I had the info on Targeted Receivers for the other league leading WRs (Britt, Welker, Austin, Wallace), I’d calculate their YPT averages, too, but I don’t. I’d think, though, that none could match Smitty’s 13.9. To see Shockey at 13.3, was the surprise to me.
Another nugget: even though our rushing game has been stalled, Jonathan Stewart has been very productive.
by bigdavis on Sep 23, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He is locking on to...
Nanee too much. 12 targets with only 3 catches is a losing situation.
I actually haven’t heard too many people say he locks onto to Smitty too much. Maybe I haven’t been paying attention. But think about this for a minute….he’s not nearly as good as he is gonna be.
I havent heard that either
Plus, I don’t understand why people thinks he locks onto Smitty a lot. I haven’t seen it. Also, unlike the past couple of seasons throws to Smitty don’t appear to forced as much.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Sep 23, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Locking on" is when
a QB follows a WR with his eyes long enough for a DB to recognize it and jump the route…. We have seen some of that with Smitty though not nearly Delhomme levels. I dunno if he’s doing the same with Shanaynay. If my hunch about Sha-na-na playing a little jazz on his route running is correct then it may be because he isn’t right where cam expects him to be and it’s taking Cam longer to make a good read on Neener-Neener which gives the DB’s longer to react.
(all misspellings above are intentional and will continue until Lego-my-ego starts catching more than 25% of his targets)
What I get from these numbers
Is that Naanee has only had as many drops as Steve Smith. And at least Naanee isn’t giving up game changing fumbles. You all need to leave him alone and focus on your selves. It is easy to judge others, but what are you all doing that is so great?
And at least Naanee only misses those short passes in the end zone. Those have got to be way harder to catch than the open field ones that Cam keep throwing to Smitty.
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I agree with you that Naanee is gettting hammered a bit too much here...but
He is being outplayed by Lafell so far. There’s no doubt about that. That being said, people need to realize that Naanee is still new to this team, and he still needs to work on getting chemistry with Cam. I do think he is doing a decent job of getting open. As for your criticism of Smitty, you have to understand that for every game changing mistake he makes, he makes 10 game changing positive plays as well. That’s what you get with a playmaker. They sometimes try too much and make a dumb mistake (like the fumble), but it’s that attitude that makes them the amazing player they are. You have to take the good with the bad.
Naanee Isn't Close To The Unfair Savaging Of Steve Smith For His Fumble
Smith’s fumble left the Packers 68 yards away from the goal.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 23, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's unfair at all
Steve Smith deserves a bit of a brutalizing for that fumble. He carried that football in a manner which you are NEVER supposed too. Tuck the ball away son!
He robbed us of points on that fumble, at least 3 possibly 7. Which could have made the difference in a win or loss.
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Focus on yourselves?
Naanee isn’t making plays like Steve Smith either. Smith was dogged plenty for that bone head play. It’s not the first time he’s done something like that either, which makes it a little more annoying. The bottom line is that smith a play maker. Sometimes he tries too hard to eek out an extra yard or two and gets careless with the ball. I can guarantee you that he won’t do that again this season because he knows he let the team down. He’s not the only guy that can make a play anymore.
Naanee, on the other hand, is an entirely different story. As far as I’m concerned, he’s played as advertised. He was mediocre before he got here and he still is. I didn’t like the pick up to begin with, and I still don’t. That being said, he’s either dropped or not made a play on half of the catchable balls thrown his way. I don’t think people are being too hard on the guy. The coaches think he’s better than he is and have pushed him on the field over a guy (LaFell) that is clearly better. If they switch their rolls, the criticism will diminish.
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by ALAC on Sep 23, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
By The Numbers, Your Way Off Target "Oi2dwrld"
Here are the Points where your off base “Oi2wrld”.
(1) Not all incompletions are drops.
(2) Naanee has 1/2 the targets of Smith, but he’s only caught 3 of those passes, while Smith has caught 14.
(3) Naane is only catching 25% of the passes targeting him (3 of 12), while Smith is catching 58% of his targeted passes.
(4) Naane is only averaging 11.1 yards per catch (3 catches for 35 yards), while Smith averages 23.9 yards per catch (14 catches for 334 yards), more than double Naanee.
(5) Smith has almost 10 times the receiving yards of Naanee, 334 yards to only 35.
(6) Get off the fumble train, when you fumble the ball at the 32, leaving the Packers 68 yards away from the goal, any resulting score is the fault of the defense.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 23, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Although on point 6, by fumbling at the 32
You theoretically have taken away at least 3 point from the Panthers, if not 7.
No matter how you slice it, that fumble was inexcusable from a veteran WR like Smith. He should have secured that ball.
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Re Smitty's fumble...
It’s not THAT he fumbled, it’s HOW he fumbled. Holding the ball out like it’s a foot long BMT from Subway isn’t the best idea he had in that game.
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And personally, I would hold a footlong BMT with more care than that
Only if someone else bought it for me. I would never actually pay for anything from Subway.
But yes, the main reason we SHOULD be angry about that fumble was Smitty acting like he has never carried a football. If the defender makes a great play and dislodges it, so be it. But Smitty could have prevented that fumble with any semblance of proper carrying technique.
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I would never actually pay for anything from Subway.
100% agree on that one.
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I personally feel he got over-excited about the idea of some YAC
Most of our passes haven’t had much room to keep running this season. The Smitty Slant probably made him feel like 2005.
Wow everybody missed the sarcasm in that one.
Sorry I wasn’t clearer. Do you guys really think I would defend someone for missing passes in the end zone like that.
As many comments as this has received I feel like freaking Andy Kaufman!
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Really just thought context
and the fact that you would have to be a moron to believe that Smitty and Naanee both having 10 misses with such a massive difference in targets would be the same thing. And I have never told people here to look at themselves in relation to the players (except once when Jake was cut). Yesterday I was saying we absolutely have the right to judge player performance.
Oh Panthester and loopy, as awesome as it would be, I don’t think the sarcasm font is ever going to take off. It is the esperanto of the internet.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
I have to admit I missed the sarcasm. I was puzzled when I read your comment. I thought....
“is he serial, or is he wasted? Or, am I wasted? Thanks for solving the mystery of the subtle sarcasm.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
focus on yourselves??
Well sir, I will have you know that I have NEVER dropped a pass in the NFL, and that’s a record that is sure to remain unchanged.
Receiver Efficiency stats
This shows what percent of the time the receiver caught the ball when thrown to:
Stewart: 91%
D Williams: 83%
LaFell: 80%
Shockey: 75%
Smith: 58%
Goodson: 50%
Olsen: 50%
Naanee: 25%
I am not at all surprised at Naanee’s failing grade, but I am surprised to see Olsen at second from the bottom. I hope that improves. His stats should be up there with Shocks.
Something I notice about all of these sets of numbers
Is that DWill and Stewart are doing extremely well in catching the ball.
Not trying to bash Goodson, but I always keep hearing that Goodson is the best pass catching RB we have and that Williams and Stewart can’t catch. I’d say these numbers prove otherwise. Both of them have missed only ONE ball thrown to them.
by MindMachine on Sep 23, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Goodson has only been targeted two times...
50% means nothing without the context. Goodson is very good catching passes.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 23, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to discredit them...
But catching a RB screen or a pass to the flat is relatively easy.
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Yeah, not saying Goodson is doing bad...
Just saying the people that were saying Williams and Stewart couldn’t catch out of the backfield were wrong.
by MindMachine on Sep 23, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
It's dangerous to draw those conclusions by dividing targets by receptions
If the QB throws 20 yards over someone’s head it’s still technically a ‘target’ even though the WR never had a chance to make a play.
Not every target is a catchable ball. Without looking at the film on every pass it’s almost impossible to determine how efficient a WR was with catchable balls thrown his way.
We can make broad sweeping statements with a player like Naanee whose numbers are so disparate, but when we’re looking at small differences I’d be careful.
by James Dator on Sep 23, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
True, and we are only 2 games into the season which is not enough for a clear picture
But, Cam is not what I call inaccurate with a 62.7% completion stat, and he doesn’t throw as many balls away as maybe he should.
From my personal observation, he has not been accurately throwing at Olsen
Which is uprising and a little disturbing considering Olsen’s size
That still goes down as a target, but that catch rate hit goes on the QB.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
Olsen has surprised me with a couple of catchable drops tho
but nobody is perfect and the season is young. These numbers probably will change throughout the season.
Re: Naanee...
At least we don’t have Brandon Lloyd…
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by BW Smith on Sep 23, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
lmao...
I don’t even have the words… rec’d
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 23, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd.... BW, where ever did you find this "horror" of a play?
Exceedingly entertaining. WTF was he doing, effin’ idiot. Catch the effin’ bawwl lllllllll!!!!
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
It's gotta be in the top-5 if nothing else.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Honestly...
…I have to wonder if he thought that there was a route behind him. But still, ducking out of the way? What the heck?!?
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
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by The Duke Dude on Sep 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the ONLY reason I can come up with as to why he did it.
That, or he is afraid of the ball. But, considering he’s still in the league that can’t be it.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
still in the league?
I’m surprised he didn’t just pull a forrest gump and just keep running right out of the stadium and out into the desert.
I'd like to see Olsen targeted more often on some high percentage passes underneath
I don’t think we are playing very well to his strengths by targetting him so often down field. I think that Olsen would be deadly on a short 5 yard pattern with room to work. Quite frankly, he is a load to bring down, and on top of that he is very fast. I would like to see him get more opportunities to break one and take it to the house.
LaFell’s numbers are super impressive, especially considering his catches have usually been sideline variety. Shows great body control, and I love seeing him fight for the ball.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
Which is exactly what we were hoping for when we drafted him
Seeing all that traits that made him great at LSU… physical, great blocker, fights for the ball, great body control
And none of the bad ones… tends to lose concentration and drop balls.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
I have noticed that ever since he's making catches he's talked about shoes less
Maybe he has some zero-sum brain where he can only concentrate on a certain amount of things per week, and now football has finally taken over kicks.
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by Oi2dwrld on Sep 23, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cool, now I know it's you that's wasted Oi. Wat a relief. /jk
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Those 5 yard passes would be how
to defend gainst the blitzing & rushing the qb too. 5 yard throws go out faster and they avoid any qb contact.
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Not to mention, several of his imcompletions have been drops...
olsen had one go right through his hands in week 1. smitty had i believe 2 last week. shockey had 1 but i cant remember which week. and nannee….well…nough said about nannee
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by SouthernPanther on Sep 23, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
Really appreciate the effort you put into putting this article together, James.
Let me be the first to rec’d this post. (I think folks just forget).
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