Is Cam Newton The Real Thing?
by BW Smith on Sep 21, 2011 8:01 AM EDT
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If you're a subscriber to Sports Illustrated, be prepared for an article by Tim Layden in this week's issue that will discuss Cam Newton's time spent at the IMG Academy and the first two games of his NFL career, and how he has -- through hard work and determination -- made an amazing transition from the college game to the NFL game.
Thanks to the kind folks at SI, I was fortunate enough to get a sneak peek at the Newton article that will roll out in this week's issue of the magazine, and I must say that if you're not a subscriber, this is an issue that you might want to pick up at your local newsstand or download to your mobile device.
In the brilliantly-written article, Layden covers Cam's progress after being drafted by the Panthers at #1 overall through his time at IMG with Chris Weinke, and provides some analysis of Cam's performance in his first two games against Arizona and Green Bay. Let's take a closer look at some of the nuggets that Layden provides in the article after the jump.
Out of respect for both Layden and Sports Illustrated, I'm not going to do a direct copy and paste of the entire article, but I am going to share a few thoughts from the piece that I found very interesting.
The first thing I want to bring to your attention is from Newton's time with Chris Weinke at the IMG Academy. According to Layden (emphasis mine):
On one of their first days together Weinke challenged Newton. Like most football fans, he had viewed the ESPN session in which former NFL coach Jon Gruden tells Newton that NFL play-calling language can be overwhelming and says to him, "Call something at Auburn that’s a little verbal...Give me something. What’s an Auburn play sound like?"
Newton stammered that Gruden was putting him on the spot and could come up with nothing more complex than "Thirty-six." (Author's note: We all remember this, and most people have come to the realization that Gruden practically threw Cam under the bus.)
So after Newton had studied the Carolina playbook for a few days, Weinke sent him to a whiteboard and asked him to repeat, and draw up, the following play: Deuce right (formation), Nasty fly (motion), Scat right (protection), Spray 834 (the route tree, in the Coryell "digit" system), Y pivot (tagging the Y receiver with an additional move), H swing M (also tagging the H-back).
According to Weinke, Newton repeated the play flawlessly and drew it cleanly on the board. "I wanted to see what he was capable of learning," says Weinke. "And there was no question that he had studied that playbook. It was unbelievable. I had seen the Gruden thing, so I was shocked at what he could actually do — pleasantly so."
Notice the line that is in bold print. Newton repeated the play...flawlessly. Not "he did okay for a kid that's never played in the NFL"...flawlessly. Perfect. No mistakes. 100% correct.
There's only one word to describe it: amazing.
The lessons that Cam learned at IMG also translated on the field, as we learned from Layden, who spoke to Panthers center Ryan Kalil after the game in Arizona (again, emphasis mine):
"There were at least two times where I made a protection call and he changed it," says [Ryan] Kalil. "Basically he said, ‘No, they’re coming from over here.’ And both times he was right. Hey, I saw the Gruden thing too. I wondered what he could handle. But we got both of those blitzes blocked in Arizona."
Think about this. On two separate occasions, Newton changed the protection at the line of scrimmage because he saw something Kalil didn't see, and both times he was right in changing the call. Remember, this is his first career start, and he's already seeing things in the defense that a 4 year veteran, Pro Bowl center isn't seeing. Again, there's only one word to describe it: amazing.
One of my favorite parts from the article is the quote from coach Ron Rivera in response to a question about Newton's disposition after the loss to Arizona.
Coach Rivera (again, emphasis mine):
"He was hurting on Monday ... My message was, 'Get over it and move ahead'. And before he left the building that afternoon, he watched the Arizona tape and then took Green Bay tape home with him. He came back on Tuesday and studied more Green Bay, and by the time everybody else came back on Wednesday, he was himself again."
Two things here: 1) he took Green Bay tape home with him. He didn't leave it at the office...he took it home. Who does that, seriously? 2) He showed up on his day off and watched more film. He could have taken Tuesday off like everyone else, and recovered from the opening game, but he didn't. He came in and did the work necessary to prepare himself for his next game.
This is something that can't be taught. This is nothing but Capital-D Desire, and it's something that Cam has within him, because he wants to be the best he can be for this football team. He wants to win.
Don't believe me? Then perhaps you'll believe Cam, because he said it himself:
"The more I see it, the more I know it’s not college no more," he says. "But I’m gonna get it...It’s not competing. I don’t like that word, competing. You don’t go into the game to compete. You go into each game to win."
This is our franchise quarterback, Panthers fans. This is the man who will lead the Panthers on the field for at least the next five years, and possibly for the next fifteen. If this is the approach he's taken in just his first year in the league with no OTA's and limited training camp, just imagine what he's going to be like when he has a normal full off-season to work on the finer points of his game.
[I'll give you a moment to let that sink in.]
Is Cam Newton the real thing? Tim Layden seems to think so, and even if I were to peel away my Panther fandom and look at this from an objective point of view, I'd still say that I agree with him. We've got something special here in Carolina, and this is only the beginning of what projects to be one heck of a fun ride.
Author's note: Once again, be sure to check out the full article in this week's edition of Sports Illustrated, as it's definitely worth the read. And, thanks to Sports Illustrated for allowing me the privilege to have a sneak peek at this article. It was much appreciated.
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Damn!
This just got me more excited for the future. While I preferred Gabbert leading up to the draft, I often said that I put my trust in the coaching staff to make the right call. And its looking like they did.
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I kind of flip flopped lol
At first I wanted Gabbert, then I wanted Mallet… but before the draft itself I was coming around and really hoping for Newton. Now I can’t imagine it any other way.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 21, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I wanted Gabbert and shunned Newton
And i’ll be the first to say I WAS WRONG… thank god nobody listens to me.
Cam is the Man!
When is it released in newsstands?
by bird2jasun on Sep 21, 2011 8:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
According to the email I received from SI that had the sneak peek of the article, the issue should be on newsstands today.
As a subscriber, I normally get my copy in the mail on Wednesday.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Will it be online?
Or is it mag only?
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
I think it will be online.
AFAIK all of their content is now available online, but I could be wrong.
If it’s not, a single issue of the magazine is only like $3.00 or so.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
it's in a hidden spot, but I found it!
http://mobile.sportsillustrated.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1190635/index.htm
read it while you can; looks like it may not be visible on si.com for a bit.
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
by hyphenate on Sep 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
was the receiever who ran the wrong route Naanee?
by clemsonPANTHERSnascarKBandBK on Sep 21, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually watched the Cam presser on panthers.comwhen he made that comment...
he immediately backpedaled, saying something like, “but I’m not here to throw anyone under the bus” (not his exact words), and he never gave a name.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
good to know
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
Thanks
for posting the link. I loved the part about him having a day off at IMG and he came out to run routes for Christian Ponder. Are you kidding me? A QB running routes for another QB? Unheard of! Talk about selfless. This kid just continues to impress me. I can’t wait to be there this Sunday for what hopefully will be his, and the Panthers, first win of the season. And thanks BWS for bringing this story to our attention.
My pleasure.
The real thanks goes to the people at SI who said it was cool for me to post it.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
you must have some serious connects
not many people would get a previous of that article
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"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
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"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
he is the real thing
any doubt in my mind that i had before has been erased. this kid is amazing
"Don't put off til tomorrow what you can put off til the day after tomorrow." -Mark Twain
by SouthernPanther on Sep 21, 2011 8:13 AM EDT reply actions
In a video up on nfl.com
Brian Baldinger compared Newton to Robert Redford in the Natural… lol
This video
http://www.nfl.com/videos/carolina-panthers/09000d5d8226c80d/QB-of-the-future
Baldinger is singing the same tune that Layden is.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 21, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
and Peter King
is now getting in the act: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/09/20/mail/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t13_a2
bet King would love an exclusive with Cam—but dollars to doughnuts he won’t get one!
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
Honestly....
…King had the same opinion of Cam I had coming out of college, going through the draft, and through the preseason.
I know King isn’t exactly respected here, due to his lack of Panthers coverage over the past few years (I even sent him an email about it during our 12-4 season), but lets please be objective here; this is an amazingly positive article about one of ours…probably the 2nd most electrifying person in football this season (behind Brady). I think it would be appropriate of us to show him the same level of respect that he’s now showing Cam.
I never think it’s wrong to have a questionable view of someone when you first “know” them, if you show your respect when they show it’s deserved. Kudos to both Cam and Peter, IMO.
I think you're missing what he's gettin at
King was the one who took “Icon and Entertainer” out of context from an interview and turned it into a debacle, ruining his public image over an endorsement. Cam has already avoided an interview with him, wouldn’t be surprised if he continues.
Holy...
Boberry biscuits! Did anyone else get chills watching this video? I haven’t been this excited since prom night ‘88! Cam’s exactly what the NFL needs right now after going through the lockout. Even if I weren’t a Panther fan I’d be excited to watch Cam and Panthers play every,weekend. Wow! Just, WOW!
It's just amazing to me someone so intelligent could do some of the idiotic things he did in college.
I know the old saying, “We all make mistakes when we’re young,” but boy, he made some really boneheaded moves throughout his collegiate career. Glad he’s smarter than the kid who steals, or buys stolen, goods and proceeds to throw it out of the window when the cops come a’knockin’. Looking forward to many good years with The Newt under center.
At some point in our lives, we've all done stupid things.
Cam is no exception. I never found any of that stuff overly concerning.
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by ALAC on Sep 21, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Iunno, that "throwing a laptop out of the window" was kind of the epitome of dumb.
Doesn’t matter anymore though, he’s proven to be a smart young man.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Being smart and having common sense don't always go hand in hand
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
I did far worse at 18, 19.
Now I am a tax paying, semi-productive member of society. Bachelor’s degree, 9-5, kids.
The difference is, some people never wake up. Cam did.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
I'll second that
I did some VERY stupid stuff when I was 18, 19 years old and am now in the same boat. Got my shit together, went to college, had kids and am now a productive member of society as well.
The difference is, some people never wake up. Cam did.
Hit the nail on the head there.
You're also an ass.
So there’s that :)
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 21, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Beat me to it...
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
LOL
That has only made my circumnavigation even more remarkable.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Are you
saying you have somewhere in the range of 9 to 5 kids??
And over there in the tree, is a chipmunk nest. And that right there, is our corn, best in the city, it's delcious. And that is a crazy lady. So now you pretty much know what I do. Pretty dang exciting, huh?
by lazerlayell on Sep 21, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
at first glance, that's what I thought, too
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
9-5 kids
9-5=4, but that’s still a lot of kids. i’m not just a genius, i’m ingenius.
by usana_gaines on Sep 21, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter now, does it?
So why even bring it up. It’s in the past. Let it go.
Thanks for the sneak peek BW!
I will pick up the magazine this week.
I don’t know what has been more fun, watching the evolution of Cam Newton, or watching the evolution of BW as a Cam Newton supporter. Lol.
On a side note, I think the forgotten one in the Cam Newton story is his personal QB coach, George Whitfield Jr. Whitfield has done an outstanding job with Newton and has also had a profound effect on his development. Appreciate you George!!!!
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by ALAC on Sep 21, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know what has been more fun, watching the evolution of Cam Newton, or watching the evolution of BW as a Cam Newton supporter.
Well played.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Cam is definitely the real thing.
What he’s been able to do these past two games has been nothing short of amazing. After being labeled a “raw, project QB” coming from a spread offense to come in set multiple NFL records in his first two games is just crazy.
His work ethic and drive is something that can’t be taught and something that is imperative for QBs to reach the highest level in the NFL. So thankful Marty and Rivera were able to see these traits in Cam and pulled the trigger on picking him 1st overall, when so many were skeptical that he could even make it in the league.
Big like Roethlisberger, can scramble like Vick, throws a beautiful deep ball and is absolutely electric to watch. The way he’s played these last two games I don’t think there’s another QB in the NFL that is more fun to watch, and he plays for our team. And it’s only just begun.
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I forgot who it was
But after the Arizona game somebody if note said he was like Big Ben in the pocket and Vince Young out of the pocket. Sums it up pretty well to me.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 21, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I keep going back to what Coach McCarthy said after the Arizona game...
He said something along the lines of “He was impressive. He looked very much in control of the offense”. He’s not just barely hanging on… he’s definitely in control. I am so excited for this season.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 21, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
One thing I forgot to add...
During the preseason the coaching staff did not allow Newton to wear a wrist band with the plays on it. They wanted him to hear the full play calls in his helmet receiver, instead of giving him the easy way out and telling him to “look at play 47”.
This could help explain some of his struggles in the preseason, since he didn’t have the backup of a play chart on his arm like most QB’s do.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
That's an awesome little insight into the process. Love that sort of info.
I’m already an SI subscriber, so I’m looking forward to this issue big time.
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
I don't always dress like a pirate...but when I do, I do it in this picture.
Yeah, I never knew that they took the wrist band away from him.
To me, it explains a lot of the questions we had about his play in the preseason vs. his play now.
You should get the issue today. You won’t be disappointed with the full article.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
That is amazing.
I love the coaching on this staff. Great and experienced teachers for a young team. In the long term, they will get more out of these players than a strictly “Players Coach” would have.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
It's funny how much we were about Harbaugh.
We were like dogs in heat when we found out he was available.
In the end, I think Rivera is going to end up the far better coach of the two. Probably my homerism showing through, but I’ve been beyond impressed in the man.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Harbaugh's been good, but I agree
I think in the end he is too much of a control freak. Rivera seems to coach as a collaborative effort, and in the end I think this will work wonders.
Not going to downplay how good Harbaugh will be
But BAMF is the right coach for this franchise. To me that is what is most important.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
are you looking......
for good reason to have drank that Cam hateraide… before the season
This has been a public service announcement.......
by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
No?
I made the mistake of doubting the kid pre-draft.
Once Roger Goodell called his name I was on board with it, because I trusted Rivera to make the right call. Turns out he did.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
lol
This has been a public service announcement.......
by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Key bit of info
Very much worth knowing
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
Yeah, and I had it in my notes to work it into the article, but it was late when I was writing this and I just plain forgot.
Oh well…that’s the price I pay.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Cam is the real deal
Gabbert is just someone they[the media] had to find to hype up after luck pulled out the draft. nothing more nothing less.. ill bet he was never even thought about by the FO. Cam is a Winner and that will show soon enough! Can you imagine how much we will win by when he learns defenses!! OMG its too exciting. and when he learns to tuck and run in the redzone more efficiently.
This has been a public service announcement.......
The organization were very strongly considering trading back and taking Blaine Gabbert, or even taking him with the #1 pick- of that I can assure you.
Thus far I couldn’t be more pleased with the decision we made in drafting Newton. Starting this Sunday we’ll find out if Gabbert really was just ‘media hype’, but I doubt it.
When it’s all said and done I think this QB crop will be far better than anyone game them credit for.
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Personally, I hated every one of these QBs in the draft.
I’m glad I was wrong about Newton though. Will be interesting to watch Gabby Gabbs and his flowing locks play though.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Gabbert was pretty dang good stepping in for McCown against the Jets
He game into the game at the start of the 4th quarter and went 5/6 for 56 yards.
It’ll be curious to see him start
Coming from someone who is a huge Mizzou fan and has watched every single game Gabbert ever played in college, this kid wasn’t just hyped for no reason. He has a strong arm, good mobility, and the only reason people questioned his pocket presence is because Missouri tells their quarterbacks after 2 reads to leave the pocket and flush to the right. Its really frustrating as every quarterback has done that since Brad Smith in his senior season, to Chase Daniel’s career, Gabbert’s career and now James Franklin. It also doesn’t help that Missouri runs a short passing spread and rarely throws the ball more than 15-20 yards down the field. Watching Gabbert, if he was in a pro-style offense like luck has been, I think you would have seen a lot better numbers that he produced at Mizzou.
by JStewart28 on Sep 21, 2011 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
really...
i thought gabbert was media hype….. i don’t know anyone who even heard his name till after luck ran away… Good to know… I wasn’t saying he can’t succeed in the NFL….. By any means. I hope this years crop is one of the best.. to further prove the talking heads of the NFL know nothing!! lol
This has been a public service announcement.......
by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
There were a few analysts (notably Todd McShay) who were talking about Gabbert early in the draft process.
I’ll admit the media did pick up on the hype to an extent, but there was already chatter about Gabbert before all that happened.
Gabbert is going to be a good, potentially great NFL QB. But he’s going to have to settle for the 2nd best QB in the league, cause we’ve got the best. ;-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
It was covered on here ad nausuem
But no one expected Gabbert to declare. Once he did the hype took off.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 21, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Gabbert got too much hype
Due to his agent, Condon (said it before, it’s still true).
People just didn’t want to give Cam credit (because they didn’t like him), so they minimized his accomplishments and augmented Gabbert’s to create a false rivalry, which didn’t exist numerically. Cam’s stats obliterated Gabbert’s.
The other thing is that people did not (want to) believe that a Black QB could be a pass first QB. Pundits ignored the fact that Cam holds the single season NCAA record for passing efficiency and kept talking about his rushing TDs.
Wonder what they’re thinking now.
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
by hyphenate on Sep 21, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Wonder what they’re thinking now.
“I wonder who is the next QB I can compare to Cam Newton.”
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
you're so right
and now Gabbert is starting for the Jags on Sunday.
Here we go
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
I'm probably not the only one...
But Gabbert starting worries me a bit.
I still think we walk away with the W, but this is sort of a wildcard in this matchup. We have no idea how Gabbert will perform.
I wish they were going to give McCown one last shot.
Less worried about Gabbert than about our D
Our D had Andy Dalton looking good in the preseason. But we did stop GB several times last week and forced them to take a FG.
So we’ll see.
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
Indeed
It’s just more that he’s a wildcard with not much film to look at.
I don’t know much about Gabbert, not being much of a college ball fan, but I know a lot of people around CSR thought he was the real deal and that says something.
We have had issues giving up the long pass, if we bit on the play action with MJD and somebody gets open down the field it could spell trouble.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the term "false rivalry."
I had a problem with the Gabbert thing. And that’s pretty much how it felt (that most people didn’t like Cam all that much, and wanted a safer play).
Throughout the weeks before the draft, I made several attempts to communicate this stance, but was not able to state it as concisely as you just did.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Many Thanks For Posting This Info James, That Was Sort Of My Position, Trade Back, Get Colin Kaepernick, But Take Cam At #1 If They Can't Trade
Please, everyone, let me explain.
I’ve only been on this site for a few months, but this is what (and why) I was posting on the other site for the last few years.
When I saw Cam in his first game or 2 last year I was posting about him being a fantastic QB, who would go very high in the draft. By the 3rd game i was certain that he had a chance to be a top 10 pick, but at that time I didn’t think the Panthers would be drafting that high (certainly not #1). By around mid-season I was totally sold on Cam as a #1 pick, but still didn’t think the Panthers would draft that high.
However, I had been watching Colin Kaepernick since near the end of the 2008 season, when most didn’t expect him to be drafted. By the 2009 season I was sold on CK as a NFL QB, and given the Panthers usual patern of only drafting QB’s around the 3rd round or later, I thought he would be a good bargain for the Panthers. By the start of the 2010 season CK was like the white Cam Newton (a 1,000+ yard rusher, with a monsterously strong arm, passing for 3,000+ yards, and completing over 60% of his passes), and scouts still had him ranked as a 5th round pick or later. I was afraid the scouts would wake up, and CK would start climbing the draft charts until he got out of the Panthers reach, just like my previous QB target for the Panthers joe Flacco. I caught onto Flaco early in his senior season, while he was still on the fringe of the draft. By mid-season Flacco had climbed the draft boards to the 5th round, but after the Combine he shot up draft boards out of the Panthers reach, going from around the 3rd round, to the 18th pick in the 1st round by the Ravens.
Now back to Cam, I was totally sold on him long before the end of the season, and the SEC Championship and Bowl game. However, I’m ashamed to admit that the negative rumors got to me, so my thinking shifted to trade back, get a 1st rond DT (a huge Panther need), and use the early 2nd round pick they would get by trading back to draft Colin Kaepernick. My thinking was Cam’s better, but CK is very good, and he’s squeeky cleen (in spite of the tats), and such a trade down would fill both of the Panthers greatest needs, but if they couldn’t trade out of the #1 pick (as happened), then they had to draft Cam at #1, even though DT Marcell Darius was very tempting.
I’m glade I confessed that, and ashamed I let rumors talk me out of what I believed about Cam.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 21, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Newton defies the norm
Honestly, there was no intelligible reason to think he would be an NFL QB based on what we saw at Auburn. His mechanics were a mess, he played in a simplified offense, wasn’t asked to make NFL throws and as the cherry on top he had off field issues.
However, what he lacked in the tangibles he made up for in intangibles 10-fold. There was a very definite leap of faith that had to be made in believing the following:
a) Newton will have the drive to study and not rely on his talent
b) That being a ‘winner’ is enough to translate to the NFL
c) That he has the work ethic to correct his glaring mechanical deficiencies as a passer
Prior to the draft you either believed in these three characteristics, or you didn’t. I’ll firmly and comfortably say I was in the latter because we’ve seen scores of QBs with those same three issues who weren’t able to have the intestinal fortitude to make the jump.
99 times out of 100 these QBs fail… Newton is the one who didn’t. His competitive spirit, drive and determination made him a quick study, his humility made him understand he’s not going to dominate the NFL like he did the NCAA without work and his work ethic made him want to hone his craft. These are the things that no fan could have predicted. No tape can show you these three things, no metric can measure them… the only thing that can is interviews, discussions and getting to know a person. When Jerry Richardson sat Cam down under that clock he became sold on those three things the same way Hurney and Rivera were sold on them before the Big Cat.
In the end, that’s why I have a hard time when people say they ‘knew’ Cam was going to have this success… because from where I sit the only way to know he was going to is getting to know the man, not the football player.
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear you James, but after watching most of his 2010 games...
I’d like to think I had an intelligible read on the kid as a person and a football player…and my take on him was not as bleak. In another thread, you could substitute Tyrell Pryor in the subject, and leave the rest.
I think this is slightly undercutting what he was in 2010, particularly later in the year. Yes, he has made incredible improvements over the last 4 months, but Rome was not built in a day.
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Honestly, I think if you took 2010 Auburn Cam Newton and start him week one against the Cardinals he throws for 1/3rd as many yards, completes 40% of his passes and throws 3-4 picks.
The QB I see now is night and day from anything we saw last year at Auburn. IMG and Shula have absolutely worked wonders with him.
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This could be.
And I won’t deny that he has improved greatly.
But to my point, there were plays he made in the passing game last year that lead me to believe he could be worthy of a top 5 pick. And there are people who would agree, because I don’t think anyone has taken a complete leap of faith while selecting #1 overall.
Surely there were things on tape that caught the eyes of of JR, MH and RR. A hop of faith, certainly, but I have trouble with a “leap.”
Neither here nor there, I suppose. You won’t hear me say “I knew” Cam was going to be this good this early, but I had a more favorable outlook than most sane evaluators, and it wasn’t solely on the strength of his size or his legs. I want to continue this comment but if I do I’ll pee my pants (sorry, TMI).
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I liked his size, arm strength and ability to extend plays… I saw that from Auburn. I also saw a deft touch on deep passes, but other than that I didn’t see much that translated.
I didn’t think the guy would be a bust, and definitely had him pegged as the 2nd best QB in the class, but what scared me was the off field stuff which I believed would foreshadow a work ethic/desire problem.
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He made himself very hard to read, I agree.
Typically people don’t make such rapid transformations—both in their personal and professional lives.
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Have to say, I don't/didn't see it that way
I did think Newton would be successful and I thought it would be early (though I didn’t know it would be of this magnitude so early), for a couple of reasons:
- I don’t think Newton’s mechanics were quite as bad as you suggest; just a difference of opinion. I did think he needed to make improvements, but he also had some excellent numbers against SEC defenses—and many top defensive players come out of the SEC (e.g., Patrick Peterson). Note how Netwon torched Peterson all day in AZ and Peterson is easily one of the top athletes in this year’s draft.
- Newton does what he is asked/told. He learns what he is asked to learn. Then he puts in extra work, and then his football instinct kicks in and he takes it to the next level. That’s what I saw him do at Auburn. That’s what he’s done at CAR. They’re giving him the offensive schemes, he’s taking extra time to learn them (and defensive schemes), and now he’s taking it up a notch. His OC at Auburn was not surprised that Newton was successful, he was only surprised that it happened so soon!
Yes, Newton has benefited from Weinke’s tutelage—but is this what we say about other top QBs when they do well early? Do we credit Marino’s helpers, or Marino? Did Brady get credit for his hard work or did his coaching staff? Was Peyton Manning something special, or was it his QB coach?
I think people are still somewhat uncomfortable with the idea that Newton is largely responsible for his own successes, because no one has ever seen anything like this. Sure, other people have helped him, but other people have helped everyone else who is successful in the NFL—and we don’t focus on the helpers, except when it’s Newton.
Give the man his due.
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by hyphenate on Sep 21, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So far....
a) Newton will have the drive to study and not rely on his talent
b) That being a ‘winner’ is enough to translate to the NFL
c) That he has the work ethic to correct his glaring mechanical deficiencies as a passer
This is what is making him great. In the interviews after we drafted him he consistently said that he looked to players like Manning and Brady and how they became great as examples. How they put in the extra time in the film room and dedicated whatever time it took. We are seeing now, that this wasn’t just “saying what the media wants to hear” as some people put it. I mean taking film home and coming in on your day off to study film? One of the things you hear a lot about the great QB’s in this league is their dedication to the game and Cam sure seems like he is following in the right footsteps.
Honestly, it’s one of the things that bugged me about Clausen. He just never seemed like he wanted it. He should have been attempting to organize offseason work outs and blowing up Smitty’s phone trying to get in some time with him.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, there was no intelligible reason to think he would be an NFL QB based on what we saw at Auburn. His mechanics were a mess, he played in a simplified offense, wasn’t asked to make NFL throws and as the cherry on top he had off field issues
I don’t think it shows much class on my part to beat the “i told you so” drum…. but acturally… I was pretty close on evaluating him as a player…. the personel stuff who knows i am not a fly on the wall …. but i do think every person has moments in their life where we look back and say “what the fook was i thinking”..
Skill set wise the only question i had was would the offence match what he can do well right now.. i think it does.
My only gripe against Newton as a passer is that he didn’t really have alot of experience passing in the red zone…. but between the 20’s he is doing basiclly what he did in college and that is throw down field. …. i think however that tuning him into dialing up the short passes is a easyer fix than trying to get a young QB to figure out how to take shots down field.
but with all that being said...
i think Cam Newton was one of the MOST difficult quarterbacks to evaluate and project his skill sets to the pro game….very very very difficult to gauge.. mainly because no one was sure what was going on upstairs regardless of raw talent…that i must admit…. you either felt comfortable drafting him or you didn’t
You were one of his biggest supporters, back when James wanted Gabbert, and so many others dwelt on his college mistakes off the field.
I remember how you stood the heat of others’ jibes.
Lol I always supported Newton and HATED Gabbert
So I’m kinda hoping Gabbert does real bad lol
Well...
We’ll get to see the two duke it out come Sunday. Though considering how well Newton’s been playing and the overall suckage on the Jags team, we have an advantage against them. I’m not going to guarantee a win, but this week we have a very good chance of getting our first win.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Sep 21, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just excited to see what we can do
against a weak secondary
I'll guarantee it. A laugher.
This team has zero TD passes this year. Should take all the pressure off our safeties, who’ve been burned often for big plays.
To be fair, their QB was Luke McCown. The addition of Gabbert (or anyone with a functional arm, for that matter) should add some threat for TD passes.
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To be fairer, let's see how Gabbert handles the rush from CJ and Hardy.
If he’s not as mobile and alert as Rodgers was, he could find himself on his rookie backside.
…and yes, Newton’s a rookie, but he doesn’t count as one, already having mastered the game :-)
I think the biggest thing we have to worry about is Maurice Jones-Drew running between the DT’s for huge gains. If the Panthers can get a multi-possession lead early, and force the Jags to throw the ball, then we should win. But, if the Jags can hang tight and scrap their way through a close game for 3 quarters, MJD could torch us in the 4th quarter.
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I'm very intrigued to see Gabbert.
I liked him better than Newton I’ll admit, although I did think Newton had the higher ceiling if both ended up hitting it.
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by Flowing Willow on Sep 22, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Never been more excited as a panther's fan
This could be our first game changing QB(in the positive way) in the history of the franchise. I am absolutely going to pick up a copy of SI this week. My only concern with Cam right now is how he is handeling losing. I hope he doesn’t beat himself up mentally too much and fall into a slump. Excellent read.
i think......
he is by far the biggest game changer we have ever had….[smith is up there but he didn’t touch the ball every play] smith had to have a qb… imagine cam corrects a few INTs and we sit at 2-0 right now… we need major help on D in the draft
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by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
yea Im on the Jared Crick bandwagon for the draft
there is just something about those Nebraska dlineman…
+1
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by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Crick will be best as a 3-4 DE
Jeffrey in ’12!
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 21, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...give me Jeffery.
We can pick up a CB/DT in the 2nd round.
You won’t find another Alshon Jeffery — a 6’4" 235 lb monster with hands of velvet who catches everything thrown in his general stratosphere in the 2nd round or below.
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by BW Smith on Sep 21, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
oh good point...
I keep forgeting Smitty is 33
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by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 to that, and you know that Chud is going to lobby hard for him
After being used to working with massive WRs in SD like Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd, you know he is going to want his own version. I think Alshon is the perfect candidate to be our #1 of the future, and a guy who could make an immediate impact.
I expect that if Alshon is still available when we pick, we go for it. After that, we will be looking based on BPA at CB, DT, OL, and maybe now LB depending on the prognosis of our linebackers.
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If Hogan looks like a solid CB do we still go for another based on what we have already?
At this point I think LB and CB may have switched places on the needs chart.
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I'm not totally sold that we will even get a look at Hogan this season
I also think there is going to be some determination on the play of Darius Butler.
As our needs stand right now though, without knowing the status of those two, I would say CB is a priority.
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I don't know much about Butler...
But why haven’t we seen much of him? Is he not an upgrade of Captain?
I think it’s a matter of he’s not familiar with the defensive playbook yet.
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+1
Not to mention, I think Cap’n is underrated and underappreciated. Unless we are talking about a towering WR, Munny is a pretty darned good corner.
Our weak link right now is Pugh playing the Nickel.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again
The cap’n is pretty damn good.
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 21, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's the nature of the position,
but this fan base has been pretty brutal on their CBs for a long time.
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Cap'n is more than holding his own.
I just want someone bigger to play the #2 CB spot. Munnerlyn could be one of the best nickel CBs in the league rather than being an average #2.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Munnerlyn could be one of the best nickel CBs in the league rather than being an average #2.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I gotta say...
Captain has done pretty well so far this year. He is kinda like Marshall to me, GREAT in the nickel but scares the shit out of me as the #2. So far this year though he has played pretty solid.
They really need to get Pugh out of the nickel right now though, unless I’m mistaken he has been a major factor in both losses.
Person tweeted something about Hogan today
Joe Person
Panthers rookie CB Brandon Hogan, on the PUP list following Dec. ACL surgery, thinks he will be able to play when eligible after Week 6.
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by John Chilton on Sep 21, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted the other day about the WR Chud has worked with in recent memory
The smallest starter he’s had was Braylon Edwards, who’s 6’3" 214lbs. That’s LaFell’s size.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 21, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really into drafting a WR.
We need a major talent upgrade at CB and DT (yes I realize there aren’t any stud DTs this draft) before we go after a WR. I’m probably in the minority though.
In the end, I’m fine with BPA if it means Jeffery or Blackman. If there is a CB or DT with similar pedigree available at our spot in the draft though, I’d almost certainly prefer we pick them.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
why draft a WR?
Gettis will be back next season. We need help on D. Maybe even time to look at a LB. I get the feeling that Cam can be one of those QBs that make any receiver look good in a couple years.
The writing is very much on the wall for Gettis, whether we as fans like it or not
There was a very definitely reason he was named starter by default. I don’t think this coaching staff are very impressed with him
I see no writing
where is this writing?
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by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It's on the wall...
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
All over the walls of Spartanburg when Armanti was lining up at the #2 receiver spot because neither Gettis, no LaFell acted like they ‘wanted it’ according to Rivera.
I thought it was Smith who said that?
That neither WRs seemed like they “wanted it” although I could be wrong…
Well look what LaFell's doing now.
He’s made a pretty complete turnaround. And we said the same thing about Gettis at the start of the preseason last year, if we’ve learned anything since then it’s that we can’t count this guy out.
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by Flowing Willow on Sep 22, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They weren't that impressed with LaFell either
And he’s looked pretty good when it matters. I don’t think there was enough of a training camp to get a good bead on anyone not already 100% proven.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 21, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
(My official theory is that he has nude pictures of Chud.)
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by BW Smith on Sep 21, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chud, I have pictures of your pud.
Don’t make me break them out.
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 21, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he's still the most familiar with the playbook
Regardless of how they look in practice, one of them is looking pretty solid on Sundays and the other one is committing penalties, missing blocks, and not catching passes.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 21, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Token troll argument:
“Well, if he had a QB that was accurate he would have 3 touchdowns by now, and the Panthers would be 2-0 instead of 0-2.”
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
A good Retort...
If we had a number 2 who didn’t trip everytime he was open in the redzone, we could be 2-0 right now lol
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by Tomthehomer on Sep 21, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Troll retort:
If we had a DT worth a damn we wouldn’t give up 30 points a game. :-)
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I totally disagree with your take on Gettis.
To me, those were motivational tactics, plain and simple. LaFell has proven he’s better than they believed, Armanti hasn’t lined up for a snap, and their “guy”, Naanee, stinks to high heavens. Unless Gettis doesn’t respond well after the surgery, he’s going to get some strong consideration next season.
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by ALAC on Sep 21, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not 'my take' on Gettis... it's 'their take'
He was the offensive Everette Brown of training camp… we know how that ended up
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Gettis has actually shown something in games though.
Everette Brown has never shown anything, ever.
Not saying you’re wrong, but producing has to mean something.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, 3.5 sacks on 25 pass rush attempts is about half of what you’d want to see out of an effective starting DE.
Just like 508 receiving yards is about half of what you want from a starting WR.
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
But considering the offensive (pun intended) attack last season
508 yards is pretty damn good. Especially considering an elite receiver like Smith couldn’t do much better.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but couldn’t we make the same excuse for the lack of DTs on a DE’s abilities?
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
No, because we had other players play well despitre the lack of good DTs.
Like I said, when an elite WR is struggling just as bad, that 500 yards is actually somewhat remarkable.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
To expound on this...
I love David Gettis, I really do… shoot, I wrote an article about how he was ready to become an elite receiver just a few months ago.
However, this staff really values competitiveness and a strong work ethic and repeatedly we’ve seen hard workers being rewarded with jobs over more talented, but more relaxed players. I just fear that unless David Gettis shows the attitude they’re looking for he wont be part of their future plans
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That is what I used to say about how Fox determined who plays.
You can’t always base it on what you see on the field, there is a lot of other stuff we don’t see that coaches see.
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Fair enough brother.
Point taken.
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by ALAC on Sep 21, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Which would be remarkably short-sighted
I’m sure Naanee is a nice guy and works hard, but there’s zero reason he should be starting over LaFell. Some guys just aren’t workout warriors.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 21, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest....about the state of the Panthers
If i was the GM…i would pluke Dwan Bowe from the Chiefs he will be a free agent
Draft Jeffery
Pluke Darnell Docket from the Cards he is a free agent
Take advantage of the energy Newton has given the team with free agents that would want to come to Carolina (like mike vick did)
A line up that features Bowe..S.Smith…Jeffery…Olson…Shocky…Dwill…Stewart… a really good oline… that spells NFC champion ship game.. and to me would be very high scoring and a deadly vertical team….
S.Smith would be unstoppable in the slot giving Newton high % easy short passes with a wideout is outstanding Run after catch skills
Bowe would tilt the field and safety his way because he the best deep threat in the NFL (thus making the tight ends even better)
Jeffery giving him that red zone target that ever really good passing team has… the guy you can throw it up and there is nothing you can do about it
Dockett plus development of current Panthers DTs
to me that all spells NFC champion ship game….and it is a very realistic chance that senario plays out.
I’m not sure I’d advocate signing Dwayne Bowe AND drafting Alshon Jeffrey. It seems like overkill to me.
I know we need to support Cam, but I’d much rather sign Bowe and draft Dre Kirkpatrick at CB to help the pass defense. Then I’d wait another year before looking for a WR, at least one in the 1st round.
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd pass on Dwayne Bowe.
He seems like someone whose going to get paid based on a half of a season in 2010 and never live up to the billing. I also don’t want to draft a WR in the first round.
I guess I don’t see the importance of WRs (right now) with the gaudy pass numbers being put up right now with an unheralded group of receivers outside of Smith, so why fix what’s not broke? Let’s focus on what is broken, i.e. our defense.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I give him a little more credit that that
Over his career he’s averaged 67 yards receiving per start… that equates to five 1,072 yard seasons.
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Darnell D
isn’t a free agent, was giving a 4 year extension last year. Bowe seems like a player who plays well when contract times come. Even though he never had a consistent Qb. The panthers are 0-2, how many top tier fa will want to go to a rebuilding team unless overpaid?
by adam carter on Sep 21, 2011 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brandon Marshall was a 4th round pick....
So was Mike Williams in Tampa… so they can be found
David Gettis, Marques Colston were 7th round picks.
Though it appears Colston is made out of glass.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
smith was an 8th or 6th
not sur but he was a late rounder
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by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought for sure he was atleast 5th
but i stand corrected!
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by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the few things we can still thank George Seifert for.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
You said his name...
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by BW Smith on Sep 21, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It will happen this year, more than likely.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Whats the numbers?
I thought the last time I heard about it that Smitty only needed like 600+ yards.
Stuuuuuuuuu
58 cathces for reception record.
37 yards for yardage record, which should happen Sunday.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Of course they can be found...
But he’s right there — staring us in the face. We don’t even have to look for him.
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ahaha very true....
We will see how out dts progress throughout the year, as well as Brandon Lafell progresses
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 21, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
They can be "found" but I'd rather not have to look
I have no allegiance to USC whatsoever, but I think Alshon Jeffery is a star in the making. The NFL is trending toward these big wide receivers that allow QBs to just throw and pray against single coverage.
We are starting to see this success with LaFell, and I think we would see it with Alshon to a greater degree.
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Here's my argument...
Alshon Jeffery is having the success he is, with STEPHEN GARCIA as his QB.
Garcia is the post-Arizona meltdown Jake Delhomme of the SEC, and Jeffery was still a finalist for the Biletnikoff award (best NCAA WR) last year (finished 2nd), and is projected to either win or be the runner up again this year.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And before someone brings it up...
Yes, Justin Blackmon won the Biletnikoff award last year, but that’s not the point. ;-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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Beyond that, Justin Blackmon is only 6'1" 210lbs.
Yes, that is a decent size WR… but we already have “that guy” on the roster in Gettis.
Alshon is 4 inches taller and weighs an additional 25lbs. This gives him a huge advantage against your average NFL DB in size, and gives him the frame to withstand the beating a body takes in the NFL.
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So
He’s 461 pounds? I think he’s to big to even be a DT!
Just messin with ya but it does read that way!
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
by BlackCatFan on Sep 21, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I... dont follow
I don’t see how it can be read any other way than how I wrote it.
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I think the lbs makes the 25 pounds look like 251 pounds, the L kind of looks like a 1
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I did read it wrong
It’s just my dislexia acting up again
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
Agreed
Fact is, you can play the ‘look who was taken after the 1st round!’ game all day long, but there are literally dozens of WRs who enter the draft every year.
In the last 5 years there have been 191 wide receivers selected in the draft… that’s an average of 38 per class, and roughly 5 per round. WR and CB are two of the most drafted positions in the NFL, so you’re bound to find late round gems far more often than finding a Tom Brady out of the 35 or so QBs selected over the same 5 year span.
If you think you truly have an absolute, bonafide lock at WR then you take him. Especially for a team like us who not only needs a #2, but needs to be planning ahead for when Smitty decides he wants to retire.
And those numbers will only climb.
Soon, most offenses’ base set will be 4WRs and a back or TE. So you’ll have 4 WRs and 4 CBs in the starting lineup, topped only by the number of O-lineman on the field.
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Even with Kalil's brother coming up in this draft class for the O-line?
I admit, I’m scared for our near-lack of depth on the O-line right now, James — Turnstile isn’t depth-worthy, and I pray he isn’t re-signed next year when he hits free agency. I don’t deny we need to look towards a future #1 WR to succeed Smitty (you can succeed the Rules and Regulations, but there is no replacing him), but the O-line needs some looking towards the future as well. Gross is what, 31 now? I’m not sure how long he still has before he retires, but do we disregard what some are touting as a sure thing for the O-line?
If we can get Matt Kalil I believe we've got to take him
I may be in the minority, but I believe an elite line is more important than elite receivers. Maybe I’m just watching too many Bears games, but I don’t ever want to see Cam put into the situation that Cuttler is in. If we have 4-5 years of solid O and D lines, we can get away with average receivers as long as they can catch the ball.
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i think we are doing a fine job in pass protection
We looked good against the Packers in pass pro… but our run blocking still isn’t there. I think I can justify that by saying that we have yet to start the same O-Line for two consecutive games. O-Line cohesion is VERY important in the running game, not as much in the passing game.
I also venture that our linemen may still be learning the blocking schemes put forth by Chud, and they aren’t as far along as we would like.
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I'm sure of it
That’s why I said “if” he was there.
But if you are Hurney, if given the chance, do you trade up?
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+1
At this point, I’m pegging us picking in the 8-10 range.
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Bingo
I think that’s right in the Alshon Jeffrey, Dre Kirkpatrick range… also, next season is the year of the CB. I’d almost consider double dipping at the position and putting all the FA efforts into getting a DT
Interesting idea
I would be totally fin having 2 shut down/very good corners. The Jets showed how much disruption a team can do when even elite QB’s have no one to throw to. I agree that that would be a necessity, especially in our division.
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I don't either.
But do you think it might be in the realm of possibility for Hurney to try and trade up for Matt Kalil? Granted, let’s hope he doesn’t make a deal a la Falcons for Julio Jones and trade away half our draft selections over the next two years for it if it were to happen. But is there even a possibility of it?
You don't spend a top pick on depth.
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by Flowing Willow on Sep 22, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If we ever
draft another USC WR again I might quit being a fan!
by ClaytonFire on Sep 21, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
USC = University of South Carolina 'round these here parts
Take that SoCal stuff elsewhere.
To clarify, Alshon Jeffery is a GAMECOCK not a TROJAN.
And he is currently making a terrible QB look servicable.
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And he is currently making a terrible QB look servicable.
I wouldn’t go quite that far, tater. :-)
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That Garcia is a terrible QB?
Or that Alshon is making him look servicable?
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He’s not serviceable…he’s still terrible. :-)
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Okay, i re-phrase
“Alshon Jeffery is currently putting up great numbers despite a terrible quarterback.”
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That's much better.
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It could be worse.
Whatever QB who was playing for USCe in the first half against ECU was horseshit, if I remember correctly.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The Panthers Greatest Area Of Need Is DT & Maybe LB Now, But Long-Term A Replacement For Steve Smith
The Panther need to make sure they have a #1 WR when Steve Smith starts to faulter down the road, and Alshon Jeffery is that (he’s this years A. J Green), but do the Panthers need him in 2012, or not till 2014?
In 2012 the Panthers seem to have a good WR core, with LaFell and Gettis (I hope he fully recovers without losing his speed) as the big #2 WR, and Steve Smith as the #1 WR, backed up by Edwards and Pilares.
The Panthers top need in 2012 as things stand now, is a pass rushing UT who can also slide out to DE as a 3-4 DE, or just a run stopping 4-3 backup DE, and that does sound like Crick. Depending upon how the 2 recent DT/NT signing do this year, the Panthers might need to draft a NT in the 2nd or 3rd round to rotate with Fua.
Give Thomas Davis recent injury, alon with Beason’s, the Panthers may need to draft a OLB early (like UNC Zach Brown), unless Jason Williams is fully healthy, and stays that way.
The Panther may not need to draft a CB in 2012, depending on how the rest of the season goes, they have 6 (counting Brandon Hogan) that are young, fast, and talented. Here’s a list.
Chris Gamble (6-1, 200), 8th year, 1st round pick in 2004
Captain Munnerlyn (5-8 3/8, 186, 4.41-40, 1.58-10) 3rd year, #216 pick in 2009
Darius Butler (5-10 3/8, 190, 4.32-40, 1.46-10) 3rd year, #41 pick in 2009
Josh Thomas (5-10 1/4, 191, 4.43-40, 1.58-10) rookie, #143 pick in 2011
R. J. Sanford (5-10, 183, 4.42-40), 2nd year, PS in 2010, #223 pick in 2010
Brandon Hogan (5-10, 190, 4.43-40) rookie, on IR, #98 pick in 2011
I would also like to see the Panthers claim 2nd year CB Bryan McCann (5-10, 182, 4.29-40), who played in 9 games for the Cowboys last season. The Cowboys thought enough of him that they cut their #143 pick this year (Josh Thomas claimed by the Panthers) rather than McCann before their first game. McCann had a 101 yard TD return of an int last season, along with a 97 yard TD on a punt return. His 4.29-40 speed would be the fastest on the Panthers as well. He has more NFL game experience than Sanford, so claim him, and drop Sanford back to the practice squad. With all that the Panthers would have enough quality depth at CB to cover for injuries, and not need to draft a CB.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 21, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I think, if anyone, Brandon Hogan is the guy who will be groomed as the #2 CB next to Gamble, and perhaps as the heir apparent #1 once Gamble retires.
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You think Gamble will retire a lifetime Panther?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't know. Probably not, with the way it works now.
But he may play safety for a few years at the end.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Yeah, honestly I'm surprised he's been here this long.
That’s how I used to be with Karl Hankton too. Like how the hell are you here.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hankton was a special teams ace. He was a team captain. He always led the team in special teams tackles. Plus he was a tough, man’s man. Foxy loved him.
But I can understand why you’d think that…he was, let’s just say…very limited as a WR (his listed position).
Gamble is a strange player. He’s one of those guys that needs to be motivated. He needs to be lead correctly, it seems. Last season, the guys had absolutely nothing to play for, other than pride, and I guess that alone was not enough for him to give it 100%. That was disappointing, but like the coaching staff—I’ve tried to give him a clean slate.
I’d prefer he be our 2nd CB, but in order to do that we would need to bring in someone pretty substantial. So, he may be here for a while. I’d expect some of our young players to really compete for jobs next year, and will be keeping a keen eye on Brandon Hogan.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Lol, yeah, Hankton was a beast on special teams.
And I’m the same way. I think Gamble is better suited as a second corner. He seems to play a lot better there. Lucas was looking like he was shutdown caliber that first year too.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know...
Gambles work against Fitz and Jennings so far this year is #1 CB material to me.
I’ve always been a fan of Gamble.
Oh, no doubts.
He’s played great thus far. Hopefully he can keep it up. It’s almost been surprising he’s been playing this well, though I always felt he had the skill.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Gamble shut down both Fitz and Jennings, to me that is #1 corner no matter how you slice it.
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I don't disagree.
I’m just greedy. I’d like him to be our #2 guy.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Although I think Gamble is #1 material...
I can agree with this. If we were able to bring in somebody that was even better than Gamble and move Captain to the nickel we would have a beastly set of CB’s.
Big CBs tend to have long careers
I was surprised to find out that he’s barely scratching at 30’s door. We could very well sign him to a four-year extension next year and it wouldn’t be a stupid move.
Lol, I know right.
Seems like Gamble has been here almost as long as Kasay was.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If he continues to play the way he's been playing...
I’d love for him to retire a Panther! He’s never been a top five CB while he’s been here, but certainly is an under-rated one. He’s held his own with a lot of great receivers.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Sep 21, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He's been playing great this year so far.
It’s crazy though because if there is one thing I’ll ever remember about Chris Gamble, it would be a bone headed play he made back in the day. I believe we were playing the Vikings or somebody and we had him returning punts and he tried to lateral it or something and fumbled. It seemed like the season went straight to hell after that one play.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He's certainly not the most vocal guy.
But he’s never been a locker room cancer, expect for maybe last season when he was benched by Fox. But he wasn’t really a cancer either.
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
by Panther4Life!!! on Sep 21, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
To me, everybody on the team was a cancer last year.
Lol.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Talk about a lame duck season… The sad thing was most of the players still gave it their all regardless of how much the coaching staff cared.
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
by Panther4Life!!! on Sep 21, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. You could tell by watching the games
that our guys were trying hard as hell, but they just weren’t put in position to win. I really hate that Fox’s legacy here had to end on such a terrible note.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
To me...
Fox was the cancer last year.
I love what he did for us, but it seemed blatantly obvious that he was on his way out last year and this team had absolutely no fire.
He just didn't care...
And by refusing to let Armanti and other young players get some experience, he was kind of sticking it to JR as well. Like you said MM, I loved what Fox did for the franchise, but the behavior last season was inexcusable.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Sep 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Armanti got a chance to get experience and
he admitted it was too much running for him. How many times do i have to post that on this site?
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Preferably never again...
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I agree, but if it's needed to inform the masses.........
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Not really...
Everyone knows how you feel about it. I think this is one of those battles you should probably just let go.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
speaking of playing the youth,
Fox played Lafell and Edwards last season, Rivera came in & they hired vets that Rivera had worked with. What happened to playing the youth? Either Fox screwed them by not playing them and Rivera is also, or both are playing who they think deserves to win. You cant have it both ways.
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Yeah, I know.
I thought Fox would remain a professional through it all. And even though it’s not my place to judge his professionalism, it just seemed like he really didn’t care. Skinny John Fox=Evil.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I felt like he cared at the beginning of the season
But when things started going south he just gave up and basically said “glad I’m out of here and somebody else gets to deal with this mess next year”.
Like you said, it’s not our place to judge, but I sure sense a whole lot more unity amongst both players and coaches this year than I have for a few years now.
+1
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
hey now, if there's one thing we can thank Fox for
it’s sucking so much last season that we got to pick Cam in the draft
That's a great point.
Thank you John Fox!!! You too Jeff Davidson!!! You guys are great!!!
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda disagree
it’s not our place to judge
When you buy a ticket, you get to judge. This is a business and we are purchasing a product. With the cost of the product so high, I want the best the Panthers are able to give me.
If you get a half assed meal at a restaurant then you complain to the manager. If you get a half assed coach or team, you have the right to complain as well. Look at Cleveland last year where the fans set up a meeting with the owner. Or Broncos fans taking out billboards to complain about Tebow. They’re wrong, but they have the right to voice their displeasure. The thing is to do it responsibly and fairly.
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There you go with making good points again
Although… I do think people have taken their right to complain a bit too far these days.
Good god, people complaining about the Facebook update today has me about ready to just cancel my account, unfortunately I use it for business networking.
Seen a great quote though today:
I am appalled that the free service that I am in no way obligated to use keeps making changes that mildly inconvenience me.
makes me thing of that Mitch Hedberg joke
This escalator has temporarily become stairs. Sorry for the convenience.
(something like that)
Lol.
What update do you speak of?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Facebook changed the way users get their news on their news feed. Instead of being able to choose between “most recent” and “top stories”, now you have “top stories” at the top by default, and you can’t change it.
Personally, I think the new interface blows goat dick. I don’t want FB telling me what I think is important and what isn’t, and I want to stick to “most recent” because when I log on, I want to know what my friends are saying now, not what is a top story that happens to be 2 or 3 days old.
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Nah, I totally get what you're saying,
and agree, which is why even though I said it’d not our place to judge, I still judged. Lol. But it’s just hard to determine if a coach is really trying his best or not based on the team’s performance. But from everything I seen, John just didn’t give a damn.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Richardson is the 1 to blame for the poor team.
While it was a good strategy in the long run it really stuck it to Fox. If you don’t want to allow a coach to play the players he wants to play, then hire a new coach you dont fire everyone he wants and say work with what you have. And considering they knew Fox wouldn’t be here this year, would you want a coach teaching your players stuff you don’t agree with? Thats what playing the youth would be doing, teaching them how to play the game in the way of a coach that you have lost faith in.
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Fox knew the plan
And was given the option of leaving. He decided to stay.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 21, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that really your reply?
“he could have said screw 5 million dollars and left”? Really?
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no I shouldnt because I am right about it.
People should act more informed before they just throw out crap that has no fact to it.
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wth, that was a reply to I should drop it cause every1 knows how i feel about it.
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So excited about this guy!
To have our own franchise QB with the heart of Jake, the drive of Peyton, the body of Rothlessberger and the legs of Vince Young is astounding. I knew that Cam was going to be an exciting player, but there is no way I imagined this.
Hats off to Cam and all the coaches and trainers that helped mold him into the player he has become. And hats off to Cam for utilizing every resource available to him, and realizing that growing up was going to bring him more long term joy than being a college idiot. That’s a lesson many don’t learn until their late 20’s early 30’s.
And hat’s off to BW and all of the USC and Alabama fans who were able to give up their rivalry hatred of Cam, and accept him into the Panthers family. This blog is so much better for it.
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And hat’s off to BW and all of the USC and Alabama fans who were able to give up their rivalry hatred of Cam, and accept him into the Panthers family. This blog is so much better for it.
Like I said above, my beef with Cam ended the second Goodell called his name. Once they put on that Panthers uniform, where they went to college doesn’t matter anymore.
I’ll admit, seeing Cam obliterate the Gamecocks in the SEC Championship game stung deeply, but I’m glad I get to enjoy watching do that to other teams from here on out.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I was waiting for you to say something LMAO
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by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I still know plenty of Alabama fans that will never ever come around to Cam Newton
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they must not be panther fans
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by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 Let the Hating start
lol, can’t wait till cam stops throwing the ball to the other team.
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by CaptainPanther on Sep 21, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The Alabama/Auburn hatred runs deep my friend. Like, boys and girls aren’t allowed to cross breed with one another. They take it very serious.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
They aren't really pro football fans, but they did lean toward the Panthers until they picked Cam
Then after NO took Mark Ingram, it sealed the deal for them, they now claim Saints alignment.
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I know, you were one of the first to embrace him as the new face of the franchise
I guess I am pointing out that you have set a hell of a good example for others who disliked him due to where he went to school.
Yeah he broke some rules, but Cam was just one of the first of many stories in the past year to show that this is more of a wide spread issue than anyone imagined. His quick maturation in the face of these scandals probably made him a better person and QB than he would have been otherwise. But that is total speculation
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Speaking of USCe
how do you feel about them NOA? Have fun with the same UNC, U, OSU media circus!
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s not a D-1 program in this country — save for the service academies — that aren’t doing the exact same thing.
Everybody’s doing it.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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Lalalalala I can't hear you.
NC State is clean I tell you! Clean!
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...clean.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
NCSU is my team
but clean or not, they havent got it done in YEARS. So if they’re just as dirty, they’re still doing it wrong.
No, I won't ban you...but I will de-friend you ;-)
kidding of course
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Funny you say this:
To have our own franchise QB with the heart of Jake, the drive of Peyton, the body of Rothlessberger and the legs of Vince Young is astounding. I knew that Cam was going to be an exciting player, but there is no way I imagined this.
I remember somewhere seeing a video pre-draft about Newton that said he was a combination of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Ben Rothlisberger and thinking “wow, what a overly hyped video trying to sell this guy as the next greatest QB of the NFL”.
As it turns out, there may have been a bit of substance to it.
HaHa
on Nfl.com Miami cut Dante Roserio already!! it’s funny some of the guys Fox was clinging on to around here cant keep jobs lol
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Brian Baldinger sure thinks he's the real-thing!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-around-the-league/09000d5d8226c80d/QB-of-the-future
This is about the highest praise I’ve ever heard about any player.
STEVE SMITH!
My god... he is practically gushing.
That is VERY high praise right there.
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This is the other thing that Cam brings to Carolina
Exposure and excitement. Hopefully this will translate to ticket sales to Panthers fans rather than fans of a visiting team.
BTW. There are still over a thousand tickets left to the game Sunday. If you don’t want it to be blacked out in Charlotte, you might want to pick a couple up.
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It's really not THAT big of a deal
But I too have enjoyed at least seeing my Panthers on pre game shows, NFL Network, ESPN etc.
Being out of market all I ever hear about is the Vikings, Cowboys, Patriots and Colts, it’s nice to at least get a little bit of love from the national media.
what isn't a big deal?
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
It really is THAT big of a deal
Having a stadium half full of other fans is BS. Charlotte is a transplant city that has little to no identity. Cam can help with that. Filling the stadium, promoting tourism, opening shops and restaurants, it all has to do with how Cam and the Panthers do.
An explosive team will do a lot for the city’s economy, and provide a positive identity for local Charlottians, as well as those who move to the city. Trust me, when the Hornets came to town and we got the All-Star weekend, that was a big deal. to loose that team and that identity was a huge blow to the city that it has not recovered from. Cam Newton may bring that back. THat is a very big deal.
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Good point
I understand that part of it. My comment was meant more to the effect of what Cam brings to the table for our team on Sunday far outweighs what he brings to the table in bringing national media attention to the Panthers.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they are separate but equal (for lack of a better term)
Like Michael Jordan, Peyton Manning, or (shudder) Lebron James, these guy’s brought back franchises from the brink and made them media darlings that had positive effects on the cities and people who weren’t even fans of the teams they played for.
As much as it sucks, band wagon fans are necessary for new and struggling franchises. you only get those with exposure. You make them life long fans with sustained success, which I think we will have. But exposure brings the “cool kids”. And they are buying Cam jerseys right now.
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You certainly make a good argument here
Sort of on that same subject. I was at my son’s football game a couple weeks ago and there was a group of teenagers playing football next to where we were sitting.
I overheard one of the kids playing QB say “Cam Newton drops back….” doing his own commentary. lol
This was the Saturday before the Arizona game and I’m in Watertown, South Dakota so yeah, he’s definitely put us on the map.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That is awesome!
Thanks for that.
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Cool story man.
Seriously…that is freaking awesome.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Interesting thing in that video
I didn’t realize that GB was #1 in red zone defense last year.
Makes me feel a bit better about our struggles there this past Sunday.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
#1 redzone, #5 defense overall, #1 in INTs
I believe that’s right.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Sep 21, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew the defense overall was pretty good
But was unaware of the red zone rank.
Honestly, all things considered that is really what won the game for them.
I know we botched a couple pass plays, but it’s Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, you expect them to put up 30 points in a game.
Had we delivered in the red zone every time we got there we still walk away with the W.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Better LBs = better redzone D.
Since the field is shrunk, the LBs have an even bigger impact.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If we had delivered half the time we got in the Red Zone we would have had the win
That’s the rookie in Cam, and the fact that this team is still gelling. If we played that same game in mid season, we would have won.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
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Yea and if you watched MNF Bradford had a very hard time putting up 6 when in the redzone also.
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 21, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
great post, rec'd. I'm glad
you posted this information. The reason Cam is doing so well is because he is serious about winning and learning, and he is prepared every week. This is, obviously, aside from his athletic ability.
How do people think he and his team won all those games at Auburn? You can’t dominate the SEC on pure athleticism—those are some of the best athletes in the country! He beat ’em with his arm, legs, and his brain.
The reality is that Cam wasn’t just head and shoulders above everyone in juco, or at Auburn. He’s getting ready to be head and shoulders above many in the NFL. People just didn’t believe he can do it. Some (haters) still don’t. But it’s going to happen.
Guy’s a phenomenal talent and he works hard.
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
Very true.
He’s a guy with a passion to win. You can’t teach that. He’s changing the culture around here, that’s for sure. How can you not rally behind a guy like that?!?
One negative thing from the article that I didn't mention...
When Cam was quoted after the GB game (the “I don’t want to compete” line) he did throw blame on the WR and say that he ran the wrong route in the end zone. Now, we all know that Naanee gave up on the route, but it’s still not cool for the QB to call him out like that. But, that’s something that Cam will learn with time.
But, considering all the vitriol that Cam has endured since being drafted, if that’s the only negative thing Layden had to say, I’ll take it.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
That being said
He did say that everyone needs to improve “starting with ME.”
So there’s that.
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
He didn't name names, and Naanee may have been his second option
But it does kind of seem like finger pointing. Maybe Smitty can tell him how well it works to call out a teammate on camera.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
You are right...he did not name names.
I just assumed that he was talking about Naanee.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Its not wrong to assume that
Considering he hasn’t done a damn thing.
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by Jake Humphrey on Sep 21, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he deserves to be called by name anymore.
Instead he’s “that one shitty WR”.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I had a friend in highschool named Brandon Vincent.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
he followed it up with...
paraphrased: “but that’s inconsequential. I made a horrible throw on 2nd down putting us in that situation in the first place.”
I'm not finished reading the comments yet...
But I’d say SI made the right call in letting you preview this article. You’ve sold a couple copies for them already this morning with this article!
I will be picking this up today.
Nice write up, BW
An easy rec from me. People have asked me what I think of Cam and all I can say is “I’ve never had so much fun watching my team lose”. I firmly believe that the wins are coming. And if we’re able to string two wins back-to-back… I think this is the kind of team that could get on a roll.
Not sure how long we have to wait for that first win (just a few more days, right?) but once it all clicks… I think we’re in for quite a ride.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
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I think the 2 wins in a row thing is right around the corner. I say we beat the Jags and i dont know why, but as soon as i saw our schedule i immediatley got this feeling we will beat the Bears. again, dont know why i feel like that. Just a deep gut feeling we do for some reason.
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 21, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I figure once we win one game
Cam and the team will get a taste of what it feels like and go on a blood frenzy (i.e. win streak)
by Beny on Sep 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Cam is one of those ultra rare elite QBs. In sports you have your great players like Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Floyd Mayweather, Brett Favre etc. But then you have the next level of elite. You have once in a generation legends. Guys names THAT everyone knows and love. Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, Joe Montana, Mohamed Ali. Cam is a QB thst is easily becoming that household, once in a generation super rare type of athlete.
Guys you wont believe a dream i had, i had a dream we passed up on Cam in the draft and Jerry Jones traded up to the bills to get Cam at no 3. We signed Tim Tebow as our QB and that same year we faced the Cowboys in the super bowl and lost 43-0. NIGHTMARE!
Someone on here posted about “the Cam effect” can you imagine if we passed up on him? Wow i hate to even think about how we would all be reacting now. If we passed up on him a series of events might have occured for us.. Would Hurney have been fired? Would fans be so fed up that team interest would drop rapidly and in a few years our franchise sold? Us passing on Cam would be equal to the Seattle Supersonics passing up on MJ with the 1st pick in the draft thst year MJ went No 3. Now look where the supersonics are…
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 21, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
It would make me sick to my stomach
If we had passed on him and our offense was the same three and out, 7 points per game that we seen last year and Cam was putting up 400+ yards for another NFL team every week.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
But...but...
Marcel Dareus could be averaging 3 tackles and no sacks a game!!!
A game!!!
You cannot understate the value of a good QB in today’s NFL. It is one of several mandatory pieces. One of the 4 cornerstones, if you want me to get all Tony Robbins about it.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
(I do want you go get all Tony Robbins about it.)
Just think…we could have Dareus, because (and I quote the troll): ‘Clausen could have led us to 0-2 just as easily’.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Thankfully I have a surgically implanted defibrilator that just revived me after I droped dead from reading the comment above...
And as much as I love quoting Tony Robbins, I think I’d rather go Wu-Tang on you after you (albeit innocently) presented that last point:
“I’ma put ya nutz on tha dressa…juz ya nutz…and bang them shitz wit a spiked bat. BLAHHH!”
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
[Reading my copy of Understanding Wu-Talk for Dummies]
Please don’t do that to my nuts. I was only quoting the troll.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Hahaha
I was only quoting the troll.
Sounds like a new euphemism for faping.
Mom (Knocking on door): Honey, what’s going on in there?
Son (Nervously): Nothing Mom, I’m just quoting the troll.
Mom (relieved): Well ok dear, but hurry up, supper’s almost ready.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
by Oi2dwrld on Sep 21, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
LOL
I heard that Wu-Tang song/skit yesterday, and it brought me back a few years. Not sure why it came up now, lol.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Who said that crap?
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He was pretending to be a troll.
That, or he is directly quoting M.P.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
M.P.?
The M.P.?
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
That one.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Lol. That guy.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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Man i just cant imagine how i would feel. Its almost like you just dont want to imagine losing a loved one. ofcourse not that extreme but you know what i mean.
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 21, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You did not just put Floyd "I won't fight Manny" Mayweather with Magic and Larry, did you?
Mayweather is nowhere near that level. He’s too big of a wus to be considered “elite”.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Lol
Thats the only na,e i could think of for a boxer thats great but not quite iron mike great. Like Bird and Johnson. great players but not Jordan great. i was just saying that Cam will be more jordanesque great and less Bird and johnson great.
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 21, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Evander Holyfield and George Foreman fit your analogy. FYI for future use.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
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Ok lol, yea those names are better. Thanks
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 21, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
He may be somewhat like Magic Johnson, though.
Because Magic changed the way people thought about point-guards. Kind of like LeBron (let’s face it—he might as well be a point guard).
Cam may very well alter the way people scout QBs. Guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning will have to be offensive coordinators, because it’s going to take a superior athlete to play QB in tomorrow’s NFL. Just look at the guys coming in this year…Newton, Gabbert, Locker and the boy in MINN are all great athletes.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
To be fair...
Seattle got hosed by their scumbag owner.
But, they’re not too shabby in OKC with Kevin Durant.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Yeah, it would've been horrible had we not drafted Cam.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
We would have a great receiver in A.J. Green being missed ten times a game by Clausen.
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
by Panther4Life!!! on Sep 21, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way
how close are our trio of Panthers to getting to their respective milestones? I know Gamble hasn’t gotten any closer, but what about Smitty?
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You know what I would love for one of you guys to do… im not creative enough to do it right lol. But write up a article and include all the negative quotes, and even a video clip or two of the ANALysts bashing Cam pre draft. Everything from Nolan Naworcki, to Peter King, Mel Kiper Jr and Todd Mcshay. Who said Cam should be 10th pick, who said Gabbert should go ahead of Cam. And a lot of others, it will be so funny just to go back and see it all again on how wrong they where.
Lol, Jon Gruden is the man. Remeber everyone made fun of him when Gruden said pre draft “ill tell ya right now, Cam Newton is the best QB on the planet right now” Jon Gruden, you rock!
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 21, 2011 10:23 AM EDT reply actions
I still never found out if it was an accurate quote
but someone’s sig (is it Ivan?) had the “I’d rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam Newton” by Mel Kiper’s magnificent mane.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Two things...
1. It’s Mike Train’s sig.
2. Mel Kiper, Jr. DID NOT say that. Someone on CSR (can’t remember who) said it, and MT attributed the quote to Kiper.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I always found it hilarious.
Though I sort’ve figured Kiper wouldn’t have said it.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess Cam has decided he is the real thing
So long Cam. Thank’s for all that you did for us. I only wish you had stayed long enough to win a game.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
by Oi2dwrld on Sep 21, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Haha
"Cam is the greatest quarterback I have ever seen live," said Panthers third-string quarterback Jimmy Clausen
Had to laugh at that one!
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
My favorite part...
"Cam is the greatest quarterback I have ever seen live," said Panthers third-string quarterback Jimmy Clausen. "Even better than Matt Moore and Dayne Crist."
That’s funny…I don’t care who you are.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Wait, did he really say that about MM and DC?
Or did you add that for the sake of humor?
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
I pulled the quote from the article. I added nothing.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
isn't the entire article humor?
no way anything in it can be real, other than the stats.
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
Wow.
Didn’t we play the Saints twice last year? So, theoretically, you could say that he saw Drew Brees “live?” I’m perplexed.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
It's a humorous article from jump street.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Exactly. It's an article about Cam retiring after two weeks in the NFL because it's no longer a challenge for him
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol, that would be both epic and disheartening at the same time.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Lmao. Damn Jimmy.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd...I love it!
I have already shown that NFL defenses are not a match for me. Doing it indefinitely into the future would, I think, just be cruel to them.
That’ll do, Cam…that’ll do.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Lean back, close your eyes,
and think about what could be. Imagine if Newton had the full off season to work out and learn. You got that thought? Now think about this. Next year Newton has the full off season to practice and learn, plus he has had a whole regular season under his belt. I think by that time, he will be able to throw the ball 100 yards and run & catch it himself.
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
omg!! is the game this sunday going to be blacked out?!? even if i live in SC? I dont see it on my cable guide. That is BS!
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 21, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's because there are still 1,200 tickets available.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Over a thousand tickets left to the game.
May get bought out by companies, but yes, Jacksonville might bring the blackout curse to Charlotte.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
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bu bu but we got Cam! lol
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
as much as I rag on our transplant neighbors in CLT...
…they sure do prop up our fair weather fanbase in the queen city when it comes to sellouts. Jacksonville doesn’t bring the transplant viewers like our normal games do.
Don't worry
As of yesterday there were 1,200 tickets to sell…. against the Bengals last year there were 1,800 to sell with three days left and we sold out.
Cam alone will sell those tickets easily.
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hasnt there only been like 1 game ever blacked out in Carolina?
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
Yup
During the 2002 season… we can thank JR and the PSL system for ensuring we always get to see Panther football
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
well, not all of us...
Sometimes the Charleston market decides not to show Panthers games. It’s really frustrating.
Hopefully Cam changes that.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Worst part about this city
except for the flooding and humidity, is when they show another game and I cant find a good Panthers bar in time.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
yeah, lol
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Are there any good Panthers bars in Charleston?
I used to go to Tracy’s First String Tavern before they closed. Would show the game on multiple screens and with sound. For some reason I just have a harder time watching the games muted.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
you can always watch it online at home.
just ask any1 for a link, but be careful I think its illegal to post links here ofr the game. Heck I don’ know though, i never got banned for it yet.
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
We don’t ban members for posting links to game streams…but some SBN sites do.
However, if the Feds show up at your door, we will deny any knowledge of you or your illicit activity. :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I know, but sometimes I like getting out of the house and watching a game.
Plus then I don’t have to deal with my dog begging me to play with her in the last 2 minutes of the game.
Every GD time, I don’t know how the hell she knows, but she does.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
I think i recall reading that Richardson,
or 1 of his businesses, bought out remaining tickets so a game wouldn’t be blacked out at least once. I may be mistaken though.
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
I went to that Bengals game.
What a horrible display of football it was.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not supposed to be blacked out. The only market that’s supposed to be blacked out is Charlotte, and any market within 70 miles of the stadium.
The SC markets outside the buffer zone can show the game, though they normally choose not to (eg – last year against the Bucs)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Of course, now that I think of it last year’s game against the Bucs wasn’t even a home game…it was blacked out in TB.
But, at the same time we were like 1-10 when we played Tampa…I kinda understood why they chose a different game.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
One other thing to keep in mind about this Sunday's game on TV....
Normally when we play an AFC team, the game is shown on CBS, so check your local CBS station to see if they’re showing it…I know in Charleston the game’s coming on CBS (which means I don’t have to watch stupid Turry Bradshaw…yay!)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Good point.
Yes, I have head fo sho that the game is on CBS this week in Charlotte, W-S, GBoro and RDU.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Derp.
Lol. Yes. I have a head. Right here on top of my neck. Fo sho.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
I hate watching games on CBS.
Just doesn’t seem the same.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Quote from Rivera from this SI article...
In regards to the 26 yard TD pass to Smitty in the 2nd quarter of the Arizona game.
“He used his eyes to move the safety all the way out of the play,” Rivera said two days before the Green Bay game. “Then he came back to Steve. And he kept it all on rhythm.”
Wow. Just wow. In your first NFL game.
here is 1 I liked that puts his college play calls into perspective.
(When, for instance, Tom Brady and Philip Rivers use a wristband, coordinators can shorten the play calls to a single two- or three-digit number, which the quarterback then matches to the play on his forearm.)
Isn’t that what Newton did in college? & Isn’t that kind of what Newton said when Gruden asked him to name a play?
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Yeah, and people failed to understand that you still have to know what everyone on the field is doing.
It was a disappointing, lazy cut block in the analysis of Cam Newton.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
After Jake,
I lost confidence in any QB playing for us having the ability to read through their progressions. He made it seem so hard to do.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And on top of that, JC made playing QB look impossible last season.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
He really did. I began to wonder if we were just cursed to not have decent QB play.
Had me thinking we could pick up Tom Brady and he would play terrible here. Like it was the uniforms or something.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember half the people last year saying
“Even Manning couldn’t do anything with this offense”. Well look at this, isn’t this pretty much the same offense?
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
Pretty much.
It was the decline of Steve Smith that let me know Jimmy Clausen was just that awful. He put up 1,000 with Vinny throwing him the ball and couldn’t get half that with Jimmy.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
the system we're running now and the one we were running is about as different as NFL offenses get
It might not look significantly different on the field, but its almost like going from the Saints spread to the wishbone in terms of differences.
I think he was referring to the players.
Or at least that’s how I took it.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Cam is a GOD send
to a fan base that has had to endure a drunk Kerry Collins, a mentally broken Jake Delhomme, the immortal Chris Weinke, and the god-awful Jimmy Clausen. He’s the real deal.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
off subject
but does anyone have the scoop on Jaxonville? Other than the run game, are there any other areas of worry about them)
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Sep 21, 2011 11:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well, Blaine Gabbert gets the start this week
so there really is no telling how things would go. I was hoping they’d stick with McCown for just one more week.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Get ahead early and they're toast.
Their offensive gameplan is ball control, plain and simple. Look at Week 1 versus Week 2 for instance. They get an early lead against Tennesse, and they play an ugly brand of football where they gut it out for the rest of the game on the back on MJD.
They fall behind early? They have to rely on spotty WRs and a shaky QB (although Gabby Gabbs creates an unknown) and they fall apart.
by Panthers FTW on Sep 21, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Unknowns usually tear us apart. Lol.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember that year Joey Harrington came in and put up record numbers on us.
Still gives me the chills.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Marcedes Lewis (if he can go) should and is a major area of concern for us with Thomas Davis out.
If I’m Jack Del Rio I’m lining up in double TE all game with Lewis and Zach Miller and letting Gabbert go to town on short completions that move the chains, offsetting that with Jones-Drew up the gut to keep the defense honest.
I’m not too worried about our offense, but I’m definitely not overlooking the Jags.
by James Dator on Sep 21, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Thomas Davis........smh.
Dan Morgan 2.0. Except for the concussions are now ACL’s.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
still lol @ "Marcedes" as a male's name
His…his full name is Marcedes Alexis Lewis. I have no words.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Lmao.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
What, his name?
Only if you don’t require me to say it with a straight face.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I know they gave him hell in grade school.
Is there a Marcedes Alexis Lewis present? Alexis?
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn Arnold.
Never can play Terminator again. By the way, love your tag.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.
I think the first one is virtually a lock at this point. 1 down, 2 to go!
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
+1
Let’s hope Kemba turns into the D-Wade of PG’s and Bismack goes H.A.M!
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what happens when you let women name children.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
+1
My girl wanted our first child to be named Aria if it was a little boy. Won’t be my child.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
depends on the woman
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
I take it you're of the female variety?
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
yup
just making an observation, ’tis all
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
Cool deal.
I think that brings our female population to 4 now.
Careful fellas, they’re about to launch a take-over. :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I just being overtly chauvinist. Don’t pay me any mind.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
it's a football board
no harm done
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
Oh you're going to get along just fine here then. ;-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well, to be fair: they did carry the child for 9 months. The least we can do is let them name the kid.
(This comment is sponsored by my wife.)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Lol. You got kids B Dub?
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Two of them.
But my kids have normal human names. They’re not named after a car, or any other inanimate object that people name their kids after these days.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Lol.
Hey hey now. I have a niece named Honesty and another named Jurnee (journey). I plan to name my first child Bob or Mary.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
BW and I had a rather extensive conversation about baby names, particularly baby boy names, and how they shouldn’t contain the letter ‘y’ in most cases. No offense to anyone afflicted, but the trend of names like: Brayden, Jayden, Trayton, etc…is clearly the work of women.
I say that kid is going to be a 50 year old man one day, and he won’t want to say “Hi, nice to meet you, I’m Breaylea.”
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Maybe they grew up listening to
" a boy named sue" & figured they would toughen up their kids.
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
Lol. It's an epidemic.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is ironic, because my name is Bradley. :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
You know I don't mean names like Bradley--Traditional names are not included on my list.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
I know.
Just pointing that out. :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
If you can find someone in history who is badass with that name (which I could do several times over for “Bradley”) then its a good, solid name.
I would challenge you to do the same thing with any of the ones I listed in above rant.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
My sons name is Atreyu
Has a Y, not girly.
After the movie, not the shitty band. lol
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not after the band...yeah right.
(That is a cool name for a kid though.)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
+1
That name is pretty sweet. I might steal it.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
no offense intended to you or your son but
that name sounds kind of like a sneeze, if i am reading it right.
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
lol. Not sure how you sound when you sneeze but...
It’s pronounced uh-trey-you
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, don't worry.
I think I’ll end up having a daughter anyway. My siblings have had pretty much all girls.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bless you.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Since we are talking about 'epic' movies
This too is an epic movie!
I can see! I can see!
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
[hits tree]
Sorry, I was wrong.
I love that movie.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
“Did you say Abe Lincoln?”
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
That thing’s going to chafe my willy.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
That's cool.
Different and cool. And masculine—which is my point—the same devaluation of masculinity has crept into the names we name our children. It only makes sense. Anyway, it’d be really easy to be the A-hole in a conversation like this, so I’m gonna strap on the parachute and hit the eject button…
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Have any of you not seen The Never Ending Story?
That is where this name comes from, I’m sure it is where the band got its name as well.
And BTW, definitely not after the band, that band is terrible. lol
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the name is cool, the movie is cool, and I agree that the band sucks, as does most (if not all) mainstream metal.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Yeah, I get the "oh you named him after the band" comment all the time
Mostly from the younger kids who actually like the band and have no idea that the movie even exists.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I never seen the movie and never heard of the band.
Gosh I am so out of the loop.
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You've never seen The Neverending Story?!
Wow Bernz…you gotta watch that movie.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
something about mainstream and metal
just doesn’t sound right
Yeah, metal has certainly taken a turn for the worse
There is a ton of good metal still out there, just tough to find, as it should be.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It is where the band got its name.
That movie is epic.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Indeed it is
I’m surprised hollywood hasn’t tried to make a shitty remake of it yet.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry, they will.
With Taylor Lautner as Atreyu.
/vomits in mouth
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Oh god, please no...
On the bright side… I had to look up Taylor Lautner as I had no idea who said actor was.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, uhh…I only knew cause my wife told me who he was.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
My wife couldn't even stand Twilight
We made it to the point where dude told her he was a vampire and she was surprised.
Really? Your a vampire? So THAT’s why your skin sparkles. lol
It was at that point that enough was enough.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Mary her again MM!
YOU! DO! NOT! LET! HER! GO!
My wife is awesome! has as many jerseys as me. Loves to go to games, and accidentally swears in front of kids on good and bad plays. But Damn she makes me go to those movies.
Although to be fair she has gone to every comic book movie with me and enjoyed them.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
LOL
Riiiiiiight.
I guess the shirt-less poster of him in your room doesn’t have his name printed on it?
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
(No, it doesn’t.)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Neverending Story?
Ain’t that the movie with the giant, flying dog?
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember seeing that when I was about 5.
That’s pretty much all I can remember. Seem like there was a genie or something in there or some wishes or something. I don’t know. I might go try to find it and watch it today.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, it's been a while
there was something about wishes being granted and then being removed from some life-force jar, right?
no...
It’s the one where the kid skips class and reads a book in the attic of the school and the book is actually like a portal to an alternate universe that is being taken over by The Nothing.
That's scary when you think about it.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking of the sequel
the kid loses memories that appear in the Memory Machine as marbles or something every time he makes a wish
I think that's the one I remember too.
It’s all coming back to me now. Wait………..mind just went blank again.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys must watch the original then
The sequel was nothing great. I think they even made a third one but I’m not sure.
Being as I named my son after the movie I do own it on DVD as well as a weird TV series of the same story that I found at a used book store.
Either way, watch the original. That is the one BW and I talk about as an ‘epic’ movie.
yeah...
The sequels suck compared to the original.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I was specifically referring to The Neverending Story
But you’re right, Godfather II was excellent.
And, there are exceptions (Terminator 2 being another), but generally sequels are not as good as their original film.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Lol, it seems like.
But I can’t really remember anything except for the dog. That dog was awesome.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Falcor or Valcor (not exactly sure which). My brother’s springer spaniel looks just like him.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Does he fly?
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly…he does not.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Are you sure?
Have you tossed him off a building to see? Maybe he’s just uninspired…
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
LOL. I don't have the balls to try.
But he chases laser-pointers, flashlights and shadows, so at least we know he’s intelligent.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Since we are talking epic movies.... again...
BW, this totally reminds me of another cheesy classic UHF where the dude is teaching poodles how to fly!
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I need to try to watch that one again.
I remember it got weird. I guess you could say that Weird Al is as advertised.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Indeed he is....
I give that man mad props though… he has made a huge career out of his ‘weirdness’.
And the amount of genres he has done and done well is astounding.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Amish Paradise will live on forever.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
x
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Not for nothing...
but I think Peyton is a pretty decent name. At the very least, it never struck me as odd for a boy’s name.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I agree.
Not every boy’s name with a Y makes the list…just the fabricated ones.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
I it's mostly the ones that end with Y that sound feminine
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess just the sound “y” or “ie” is kinda feminine. I guess I’m also sensitive to it b/c my wife wanted to name my son Braylen. I was like…and then I was like…
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
Braylon Edwards
He’s pretty manly, right? Least he plays in the NFL, counts for something.
Heard he might be gay though.
Lmao.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
To a point, sure.
Mercedes Alexis? Its like his mom ignored the penis.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand"
by ERL on Sep 21, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe she confused the question "What do you want to name him?" with "What kind of cars would you like to own?"
“Uhhhhhh… A Mercedes… A Lexus….”
by Fernando De La Cruz on Sep 21, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
"Couldn't afford a car so she named her daughter Alexis"
— Kanye West (before he became a COMPLETE public douche)
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
You know…it really bothers me that Kanye is such a douche, because he really does have some talent.
But, a douche is a douche is a douche.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
That is true of so many people with talent
God.. just look across the world of professional sports. Particularly the NBA.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
22's
not bad… I think 20 is considered the bare minimum for QB smart right?
by ClaytonFire on Sep 21, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Heard it was 21
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
There are exceptions, of course. (Not telling anyone anything they don’t know with that profound statement.)
But I think Marino scored a 15 or something.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Lol, Cam still has to work on his interview skills.
I just watched the D drop back, and uh, I just dropped back, and uh, I just threw it to him.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, that’s how 95% of pro athletes talk.
‘Well, uh…you know, I uh…you know I thought I played good today you know. We uh…you know we need to make sure we play as a team you know…and uh then you know we might win some games you know.’
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I seen Ryan Mallett talking like that one day. I said wth.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
My boy Sheed!
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If he were perfectly spoken
he would be hated even more. it’s okay to have a weakness, and it’s a surprisingly useful deflection tool for someone in his position.
media coaching is useful; wins matter more right now. the rest will come in time
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
Totally agree.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is something for us to all think about, another quote form the SI article.
Newton had been given the day off but showed up and volunteered to play receiver for the other two quarterbacks. “That alone was impressive,” says Weinke, “but then he started running patterns. What an unbelievable athlete he is. Ponder threw one go pattern down the left sideline, and Cam just ran it down and snatched it out of the air with his left hand.”
Wildcat options…………………..
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
Does this dream scenario include Armanti Edwards?
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I would assume so
And I can’t believe we haven’t seen this look yet. I can only suppose that they are working on other things in practice instead of installing gimmicks.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
And that's not a bad thing, imo.
Every gimmick play we’ve run so far has turned out horrible.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
screens have been torching teams that pin back and rush the passer on us
Its amazing to see a screen work in the queen city.
Yeah James mentioned that last night on CSR Radio...
I chose not to include it in my write-up to avoid overkill.
But, it is definitely an interesting topic to discuss.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
His route running also shows
that he is in great condition. Remember Armanti saying he didn’t expect so much running involved in receiving. Newton had it from day 1. I guess it’s from all the running he did in college but he is in great shape.
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
Cam is truly a monster.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Armanti ran the ball more as part of the designed offense at App than Cam ever did
The fact of the matter, is that Cam is just a superior athlete, and you can mark that down coming from Armanti’s biggest fan.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
SI writer should make one edit.
He says Jeff Otah was beaten on one play – Otah didn’t play; that would’ve been the rookie, Bell.
Great article, though, with lots of stuff none of us had heard.
+1
Great article, though, with lots of stuff none of us had heard.
Pretty impressive that they had some information that we here at CSR didn’t know rather than the regurgitated stuff we here from most media.
by MindMachine on Sep 21, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I caught that too...they can't all be perfect.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I love Newton's play so far
I still get somewhat nervous about all this hype that is starting to surround him from the same media that wanted to paint him as a future bust. I think he has started the season off really strong, but I don’t want this hype to cause him to lose focus on the need to improve. He’s playing well for a rookie but he also has a lot to learn.
The TMQ from yesterday that featured him and the MMQB mailbag that talked about him were great, but he’s nowhere near where he can be. I want to win a game and see what he can do with a running game. I’m optimistic, but cautious of getting too excited until he has played more than two games.
+1
I seen that drawing of Newton being compared to a GOD and wanted them to calm down with it. It’s bringing so much hate to our team. Lol. It also has people thinking that in our heads Cam is the greatest in the game right now. Certainly not, but I do see the potential for him to be that.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, well Peyton Manning is out of the picture for now so..........
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's because he's a winner.
I know I’ll get into trouble for this but…
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
Lol. Tom Brady my boy.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
’Specially if you hate someone for looking like a skinny Conan.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
(The Barbarian, not the unfunny late night host.)
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Lol, Conan is pretty funny.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Conan WAS pretty funny when he came on after Jay Leno on NBC. He’s not 11:00 material.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
He was decent on the Tonight Show.
The horrible thing was, the majority would not give him a chance because he wasn’t Jay Leno.
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
by Panther4Life!!! on Sep 21, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He had me dying the other night
when the girl from the Pussy Cat Dolls (Nicole I can’t spell her last name) was on there and he kept staring at her chest. I’d wife her up in a heartbeat.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what it is
but I love the phrase “wife someone up”
Lol. That chick is so sexy.
I’d marry her right now. I mean at this very moment.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s really good right now and he has the potential to be even greater. I guess as a Braves fan I have Francouer-itis where I want to see a few seasons of great performance to where the league adjusts to him before I get too excited.
Still, he is fun to watch. I know how the media builds athletes up to tear them down at some point. There is a lot of building going for Cam right now when he hasn’t won his first NFL game. I wish it would calm down a bit and the Panthers could fly under the radar like we used to.
by bengoodfella on Sep 21, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, I know right.
I’ve been a little snappy at the haters. It’s hard to distinguish the trolls and the ones that just try not to overrate him.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic but here is the link to go vote for Newton for rookie of the week.
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
It does feel good as hell though
to finally have what is potentially a superstar player in Charlotte though. Other than Peppers and Smith, we’ve really never had anything that’s approached a superstar caliber player. The Bobcats haven’t either. I can’t remember the last time a team that was expected to be so terrible got so much attention. We have our franchise QB and it’s just awesome. I wanted Luck to come out, but he chose to stay in and that hurt me at first. Cam was just a consolation prize the entire time. But damnit I couldn’t be more thrilled with it now.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
The way Newton has played so far has made Neckbeard a distant memory. He’ll go to Seattle or Cinci and bear the fruit of his labor.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
Call me crazy,
but I think Luck will turn out to be a slightly above average NFL QB. I just think they got that kid hyped way too much. People are really expecting instant success for him. It’ll be interesting to see how he handles the pressure.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It all depends on where he goes, I think. He could go to Indy and learn from one of the GOATs, and take over running in three years, or he could go somewhere and get ruined.
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
If he goes to Indy I think he'll come out dominant. Lol.
I think Ryan Mallet is gonna be souped up once it’s time for him to take over too.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahem!
finally have what is potentially a superstar player in Charlotte though. Other than Peppers and Smith, we’ve really never had anything that’s approached a superstar caliber player
I believe you forgot someone…
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
Lol. I think we had some stars on the Hornets, but none on the Bobcats.
I’d even say Alonzo Mourning and Baron Davis were borderline superstars in their primes.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wanted to make sure you remembered.
It has been a while since we have had someone who could (possibly) play and be a media star though.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
Couldn't possibly forget Grandmama.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 21, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think D-Will or J-Stew
could both be superstars if they were feature backs
Good call
Beason should be making more noise too, especially with Rosenhaus as his agent. I can only believe that it is the fact they play for the Panthers.
In the media’s eyes however, Cam is bigger than the Panthers. He doesn’t seem to believe it (thank god), but the pundits do.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
it can be hard to be a superstar
when your team doesn’t win and people don’t watch your games
That's gotta be what it is
On an unrelated note, look out for my new album “It Can Be Hard To Be A Superstar” dropping next week.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
Gabbert vs Newton!!!
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Sep 21, 2011 2:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Links?
Good news about Otah. I wonder if we see Bell get shifted to RG? Although I don’t see a reason to kick Piggy out, other than the sheer mass of manliness we would have on the right side with Bell and Otah.
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
via Steve Reed's Twitter
Jason Williams started two games last year with 15 tackles and one fumble recovery before tearing his ACL.
Jeff Otah, who missed last week’s game with a concussion, told me he’s been cleared to play this week against the Jaguars.
BTW. I agree, no need to kick Piggy out.
But what a pleasant surprise with Bell.
Not only does he provide a much more serviceable backup than turnstile but also a potential future starter and you gotta pull for the kid given his story.
Pretty cool that we gave him a chance when nobody else did and he looks like he may stay in the NFL.
Piggy should stay
But Bell will be awesome to have as a rotational lineman.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
Good point.
Otah might still be working himself into game shape, which would necessitate Bell here and there. At least I recall seeing Bell in the game against ARZ (per-concussion).
"We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other guy. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand."
I think the "athleticism" tag often sells people short
First time posting with this ID, but a long time reader and I think I had another account I posted under in the past but…
Anyway, I am in Raleigh. I think there are about half a dozen football players at or over 6’ 3" in roughly the same weight category as Cam and that can probably throw a football about as far as he can. With 3 colleges in the area that my be no great revelation, but I am talking about high school players. Throw accuracy into the mix and you thin it down to one or two guys. But add in the factors of pass defenders and the math starts going exponential. By that I mean that maybe one out of ten guys that can throw accurately to begin with can make the decision to throw to the right target the vast majority of the time when one of the two is covered. Make it 3 targets and it is maybe one out of 100. Add a rushing lineman? 1 out of 1000. Ooh, a linebacker too? 1 out off 10,000. These are made up numbers to some degree, but I think you get the idea. You don’t have the level of success Cam at QB had in college just by being big, strong and fast. You have to be smart, too.
Maybe intuitive, rather than book smart, but I'm with you.
That’s where the Robert Redford/“Natural” reference comes from.
Exactly.
Athleticism isn’t everything.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 22, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
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