Future Hall of Famer - Steve Smith?
After seeing a rejuvenated Steve Smith put up 178 yards and 2 TDs on the Arizona Cardinals defense this past week, it got me to wondering just how many yards he's accumulated over his career. And, given that, how close he might be to some serious consideration as becoming the Carolina Panthers first ever inductee into the NFL Hall of Fame. So, I did some quick checking and comparison on his peers (some long since retired and a handful that are still playing). I found it interesting. So, I thought I'd share what I learned and...as usual...my two cents on it all.
There's more...after the jump...
Okay. So, first up, let's examine Steve Smith's career to date:
Year - Receptions - Yards - TDs - Average YPC
2001 - 10 catches - 154 yards - 0 TDs - 15.4 YPC
2002 - 54 catches - 872 yards - 3 TDs - 16.1 YPC
2003 - 88 catches - 1110 yards - 7 TDs - 12.6 YPC
2004 - 6 catches - 60 yards - 0 TDs - 10.0 YPC (Note: This was the year he broke his leg)
2005 - 103 catches - 1563 yards - 12 TDs - 15.2 YPC (Note: This is the year he won the triple crown)
2006 - 83 catches - 1166 yards - 8 TDs - 14.0 YPC
2007 - 87 catches - 1002 yards - 7 TDs - 11.5 YPC
2008 - 78 catches - 1421 yards - 6 TDs - 18.2 YPC
2009 - 65 catches - 982 yards - 7 TDs - 15.1 YPC
2010 - 46 catches - 554 yards - 2 TDs - 12.0 YPC (Note: This was Fox's lame duck season)
2011 - 8 catches - 178 yards - 2 TDs - 22.3 YPC (Note: And still counting...)
Okay, so...when you tally all that up, Steve Smith has 628 catches for 9062 yards and 54 TDs. That's good enough to put him at #46 all-time in terms of yardage. And keep in mind, he's not done yet. I'd venture to say that given Cam's ability to the throw deep ball and find Smitty, there's a chance he could keep piling up enough yardage to get into range of being considered for Hall of Fame induction. It would take more than a few sustained years of 1,000-yard seasons to pull it off, but it just might be attainable. But even then, every HoF voter will compare him to other WRs throughout the years, as well as the others who might be competing with him even now.
So, who might he be chasing among his peers, you ask? Well, first you should know that Muhsin Muhammad still holds the all-time receiving yards record for the Carolina Panthers. He's currently #22 with 11438 yards in his receiving career. If Steve can compile a couple more 1000-yard seasons, it's entirely possible he could surpass Muhammad and climb into the Top-20 all-time. If, during that time, he can chase and actually win a Superbowl, that would obviously increase his chances, magnifying it ten-fold even. But, within Chudzinski's TE-happy offense, is it still possible? It's certainly fun to imagine. And, given the performance this past Sunday, we saw Steve continue to lead the team in offensive output, even while Shockey and Olsen combined for comparable yardage at their position, too. So, yes...maybe it IS possible.
Just for the sake of comparison, however, here are a few of the guys Steve Smith is chasing (and who he'd be compared to in the Hall of Fame voting down the road):
#46 - Steve Smith (9062 yards)
#42 - Andre Johnson (9164 yards)
#37 - Donald Driver (9615 yards)
#28 - Reggie Wayne (10748 yards)
#27 - Chad Ochocinco (10783 yards)
#25 - Joey Galloway (10950 yards)
#22 - Muhsin Muhammad (11438 yards)
#21 - Hines Ward (11702 yards)
#19 - Derrick Mason (11891 yards)
#15 - Tony Gonzalez (12463 yards)
#14 - Art Monk (12721 yards)
#11 - Andre Reed (13193 yards)
#10 - Tory Holt (13382 yards)
#8 - Cris Carter (13899 yards)
#5 - Randy Moss (14858 yards)
#2 - Terrell Owens (15934 yards)
#1 - Jerry Rice (22895 yards)
Now, Steve's never going to catch Jerry Rice. In fact, it'll be very hard for anyone to surpass him (though, I suspect Terrell Owens has a big enough ego to try by sticking around as long as he can). To get into the conversation, you've got to figure Steve will need to reach the same plateau as Andre Reed and Cris Carter...two guys who routinely get mentioned for HoF accolade possibilities, but typically get passed over for a variety of reasons. That means, he'll need 13,000+ yards to do it. He's around 4,000 shy of that now. So, does Steve Smith have another 4-5 years left in him where he could reach those numbers? Will all the other guys still playing in the league duplicate that feat and outstrip him so he's marginalized in the HoF conversation and doesn't get mentioned?
I really hope he keeps going. And I hope he does so while finishing his career here in Carolina. I'd love to see him become the first ever Panther inducted into the Hall of Fame. I think his wow-factor and tenacity are right up there with the greatest of all time. From the way he bounced back after breaking his leg in 2004 to the amazing catch he had against the Giants where they broke his arm and still scored a TD...as we so often say, pound for pound, there's just no one tougher or more determined than Steve Smith. He's got a highlight reel of amazing plays that proves it. And, although he flirted with the idea of leaving Carolina this past off-season, I really hope he sticks around. And I hope Cam is able to feed him the ball enough to aid him in reaching that lofty goal. Because Steve deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Even moreso if he sticks it out and makes up for the years he lost with a broken leg and playing on some pretty terrible teams with struggling QBs. And, if he succeeds in extending his career while remaining productive, by the time it's all said and done, I believe he'll retire the greatest Carolina Panther of all time...and quite possibly have an inside shot at giving his acceptance speech in Canton.
But that's just my two cents,
--Neil
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I think they better go ahead and pre-order that bronze bust in Canton so they can get it cheaper
Steve Smith for HOF!
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I'm surprised Reggie Wayne is so high up...
didn’t realize he had been around that long but I guess if your QB is Peyton…
Same for Andre Johnson
Only entering his ninth year in the league and already has over 9000 yards, and his QB isn’t Peyton.
Miami does have a way of buying...I mean recruiting the best players. :-)
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And actually they have a great tradition of developing players.
Unlike say, Texas, who let players leave as raw as they arrive.
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You're right about that.
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I'm right about a lot of things.
Except apparently I can’t evaluate a college QB for toffee.
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Lol, don't you disrespect the Canes B dub.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 20, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I Feel Wayne Is Much Closer To Breaking Down Than Steve Smith
Wayne just wasn’t the same players last season as in the past, seeming to have lost some speed, and becoming more of a short yardage possession receiver. This year without Manning should be a good test of just how much Wayne has left, and how much Manning may have been carring him the last year or 2.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 14, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
he has got dome tough compition
I thought this might be a bit of carolina pride speaking, but the more I think about it the more I like the idea. The one thing I think smitty has got going for him is that he has been sooooo important to this football team. He is the panthers receiver. If he doesn’t make it to the hof, he surely must get a statue at the boa?!
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Sep 14, 2011 4:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
*some tough competition is what I meant in that semi-retarded title
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Sep 14, 2011 4:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HOF voters are very subjective in their votes
If the voters feel that Smitty is worthy, I’m not sure how much accumulated yards will matter. Maybe they will see him as the heart and soul of the Panthers organization that played with passion and determination, played in a Super Bowl, and led the team in receiving yards nearly every years since he was drafted, and won the triple-crown for receivers. I’m not saying yards don’t matter, but I think performance matters, too.
On the other hand, some voters may think Steve is a thug that had a bad attitude his whole career. You just never know what the criteria will be from one year (or voter) to the next.
Personally, I think hes a HOFer. I think he’s meant more to this team than any other player in the team’s history, and I think his number will be comparable when he decides to hang up his cleats. Un fortunately, I’m not a voter, so to be perfectly honest, there’s no telling.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 14, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
What I wanted to say but better
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Sep 14, 2011 4:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great Point "Tarheel Soldier"
Lynn Swan should not have been voted in based on his stats, but he got voted in because of the Steelers Super Bowl wins.
by PanthersRoar on Sep 14, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
HIGHLY doubt he makes it
He just doesn’t have the stats, and I doubt he gets them. He’s so far behind in receptions, yards and touchdowns, there’s just no way. I know stats aren’t everything, but they’re not going to overlook his stat deficiencies for his attitude, work ethic and game-changing quality.
The only Panther who has a chance of making the Hall of Fame is, in my opinion, Julius Peppers. I don’t think the current team has any HOF players on it, though it is very easy to be excited about Cam Newton. I’m not looking that far ahead, though.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Sep 14, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
peppers aint no panther
He made that abundantly clear by burning bridges on his way out. I respect peppers ability to play the game and acknowledge his brilliance as a defensive end. I just have a harder time than some in ignoring the fact that he isn’t a panther any more. I know people might give me shit for this comment but its my opinion and I don’t care.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Sep 14, 2011 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Pro Football Hall of Fame does not associate players with teams like many other Halls of Fame
If Peppers does get in, then you can bet the farm on the Panthers organization selling him up as having been a Panther.
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Yea I used to be one of Julius’ biggest fans but after all of the bullshit he did and especially said, I have love all respect for him. The guy is still a beast but I now know that he is a selfish and immature athlete very little overall intelligence. I still can’t get over the way he left the organization…
I don't think Peppers will make the HOF.
I don’t think he deserves to make it. He has never even led the league in sacks. Most years he is a few players below the leader.
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He’s been in the top-10 5 of his 9 complete seasons (including his one 2.5 sack year), and he’s 5th all-time among active players.
Not all hall of famers led the league in a statistical category for one season of their career. It’s about the complete body of work, not the fact that he did or didn’t lead the league in sacks.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
From all i read, his body of work,
takes plays off often. & how was he in the top 10 the year he had 2.5 sacks? If he was, it was due to his potential not his accomplishments.
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No......that's not what I meant.
I can see why you read it that way though. I made that confusing.
I meant I didn’t take out his 2.5 sack year. There were 3 years he wasn’t in the top 10 but still had pretty good seasons.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well anyway, I don't think he is as good as people say.
I believe he gets a lot of credit for the potential he has and people keep wanting to see it.
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Pep is the modern art of the NFL
Some people appreciate it, some people don’t and you can’t make them understand.
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I respectfully disagree
I think Julius Peppers will be a first ballot HOFer. Not one defensive player in the NFL is more feared by opposing OCs than Julius Peppers. He is a disruptive force and he has done nothing but shine in Chicago. Sacks don’t tell the whole story of a player’s impact. Just think of all the forced fumbles and blocked kicks he had while wearing the Panthers uniform. If you ask most experts who the best defensive player in the league is, I think at least half would choose Julius Peppers.
I hate the way he left, too, but I won’t hold it against him. Divorces are always a two-way street. I hope he makes it to the HOF and I am still a fan of his.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 15, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm assuming you meant this as a reply to someone else as I've been
trying to talk the lynch mob out of burning Pep in effigy for quite some time. I think Pep is the defensive equivalent of a Vick, where the opposing staff spends sleepless nights trying to come up with was to prepare against him.
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The HOF voters have become foolish in recent years
Chris Carter? Andre Reed? etc.
I like to view each player on their numbers as well as their situation. Smitty has done more with less than any player on that list. Smitty has achieved great heights when you consider who his QB was and what he has done when the ball was in his hands. Very few have ever been as explosive as him.
This is very similar to stating that Emmitt Smith was better than Barry Sanders…that’s laughable. Sanders did way more with less. Smith had a better line, QB, coach, etc… The real question would be, what did Smith not have that wasn’t better than Sanders?
Smitty has been plagued by a lack of great QB play and play calling. Very similar to Herman Moore of the Lions. It’s just not a valid comparison when deciding greatness based on numbers alone.
Pound for pound, no one compares to Smitty.
Your title says it all....the HOF voters are fools.
Cris Carter should have been a 1st ballot HOF’er. Okay…if they want to “punish” him because he had problems in Philadelphia, that’s fine, but he should have been a 2nd ballot HOF’er.
For some reason sportswriters don’t like making guys 1st ballot HOF’ers…which makes no freaking sense to me. Either you’re a HOF’er or you’re not…it’s not like Cris Carter’s going to do anything to add to his already worthy resume sitting beside Keyshawn saying “C’Mon Man”. Put the boy in the HOF where he belongs.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
defense
The voters have noticed there are way more offensive players than defensive, and have focused more on defensive players lately. I mean, would you rather have Cris Carter (2nd all-time in receptions with over 1100), or Fred Dean and Andre Tippett. I heard one analyst say…were you ever considered the best at your position durin gyour playing days. I don’t think many guys were, but Carter was voted by NFL network as having the best hands of all-time. To me, the hall of fame vote is worse than the pro bowl.
by usana_gaines on Sep 16, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Smith had a better line, QB, coach, etc… The real question would be, what did Smith not have that wasn’t better than Sanders?
Hit the nail on the head. Emmitt Smith was as good as he was because he had one of the best OL’s in the game at the time. Barry Sanders could rush for 1500 yards behind 5 MacBerns. He was that good.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
5 MacBerns...
that’s a very SCARY thought, right there…get it out…GET IT OUT!!!!
Given Detroit's o-line during Sanders' heyday...
I’d wholeheartedly agree that Sanders did more with less as opposed to Emmitt Smith. No offense to Emmitt, but Sanders really was in a league all his own.
If Sanders didnt retire when he did.
Emmitt stuck around long after he was any good just to pass Walter. If Sanders just had 3-4 more normal years, Smith would never have sniffed Sanders.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
by gdhood on Sep 14, 2011 8:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
disagree
Sanders was better than Emmitt, but people really don’t give Emmitt enough credit. This guy ran for more yards and TDs than anyone in the history of the game, and people act like it was all his O-line, and he had nothing to do with it. That’s just foolishery to me. If you could say that he had multiple All-Pros on his line every single year he ran for over 1,000 yards, that would be a better argument, but it’s not true. Emmitt was no Barry, but he was one of the best ever.
As for his QB, though, that’s a joke. Aikman is the most overrated QB of all-time, and Irvin wasn’t as good as people thought. I think Emmitt made his O-line and the passing game look good, not the other way around.
But speaking of Hall of Famers, I think Terrell Davis should get in, and Elway was also overrated.
by usana_gaines on Sep 16, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The game where he dropped like 175 on the Giants in the playoffs—with a separated shoulder—told me all I need to know about Emmitt Smith.
Emmitt was the constant, Sanders was far more electric, but also far more volatile (meaning more negative or zero yard runs).
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I will give him credit for that game.
It takes a man to do that.
But, I still think it was more the OL than it was Emmitt…but that’s just me.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
His OL is what pushed him into the upper stratosphere.
He would have been good without them. He was great (HOF) with them.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
+90000
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by Panther down South on Sep 14, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing that holds him up
That superbowl ring…. witch he will be getting in these next couple of years
by rscott94 on Sep 14, 2011 4:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well, that plus about 4500 receiving yards, 20 TD's and 5 Pro Bowls.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
But he does have the triple crown... no small feat, that.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
So does Secretariat...and he's a bottle of glue.
It’s not that important when HOF considerations are made.
(Ok, that was harsh….but still.)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I hate to say it...but I don't think he gets in for a long time, if at all.
How many times has Cris Carter been denied already? He’s an 8x Pro Bowler who’s 8th ALL TIME in career receiving yards and touchdowns, and 3rd ALL TIME in career receptions, and he still can’t get in (for whatever f’d up reason).
Until guys like Cris Carter and Andre Reed get into Canton, Smitty unfortunately doesn’t stand a chance.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well, that and because it's in Canton.
Why couldn’t they pick a nice town like Cooperstown, NY like baseball did?
(Side note: if you’re a baseball fan, you MUST make the trip to Cooperstown. It’s worth it.)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I think it's because of the famour high school football rivalry
Canton McKinley vs. Massillon
I’ve been up that way quite a bit. I refuse to go there. Great players aren’t in their for said reasons above. Screw um!
The Bust Are Nice, But That's About It, The Baseball HOF Is Bigger & Better, But Sort Of Dry, I Think The NBA HOF Is The Best & Most Interactive
by PanthersRoar on Sep 14, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
baseball sucks
and i’m okay with an NBA lockout. If I could only get a hockey lock-out and a longer NFL season, I’d be okay.
by usana_gaines on Sep 16, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with
everything you said except baseball sucks
by Brandon Vincent on Sep 16, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
don't forget
Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Randy Moss, T.O., Rod Smith and Marvin Harrison. None of those guys are eligible yet, but all those guys had better careers than Smitty, and will get in before him.
Is Tim Brown in the HoF yet?
by usana_gaines on Sep 16, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He needs another 3000 yards or so to be around the top 10.
If he gets there (and he should) he will at least be on the ballet.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
the ballet?
I didn’t know he was a dancer.
(Yes, I know it was a typo, but I have to meet my quota of shots taken at you.)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Seriously, you guys rip on me like 18 or 19 more times and I’m outta here.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I'll get my counter out and keep track...
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
YKIJFWY.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Damn, and I was all excited to us my new counter…
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
*use
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I’m pleased to know that I have crushed your hopes and dreams.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Crushing hopes and dreams is what it's all about
That and driving your enemies before you and hearing da lamentations of da women.
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
I don't always dress like a pirate...but when I do, I do it in this picture.
Absolutely love the Conan reference. Can’t say I’m all that pumped about the re-make, but they better have included that line in the new one.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I will be highly disappointed if they didn’t.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And if the replacement actor doesn’t have an Austrian accent.
Just saying…
Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)
by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 15, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not surprised in the least. Douche.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
As much as it pains me, I think Smitty finishes up almost identically to Derrick Mason
That means getting another 2,829 yards.
Retire his jersey? Yes
Put his name in the ring of honor? Absolutely
Honor him as the greatest Panther of all time? Without a doubt
However, if I take all my emotion out of it and look at this as a fan of the 31 other teams would I consider Steve Smith a hall of famer? Probably not, just as I wouldn’t consider Derrick Mason or Hines Ward hall of famers.
It's a fluid situation James.
Maybe he goes for 1400+ yards this year, another 1300+ next year, and 700 + the following year at age 35. This scenario would give him a minimum of 12,400 total yards and it certainly isn’t out of the realm of possibility. We can’t forget that he put up a triple crown performance in 2005. 1992(Sterling Sharpe) was the last time this feat had been accomplished and I don’t believe has been duplicated since ‘05. This shouldn’t be an insignificant blip on the radar in the final estimation of those hall of fame voters because of how rare it occurs. He also has 4 regular season kick returns for TD’s under his belt and another one in the postseason. How many of those other active bubble receivers have that on their resume?
by Derek Leazer on Sep 14, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Smitty lasts into his forties like Rice did, and gets to where he needs to be statistically.
Everyone has said it at least once. He’s the toughest around. Of his two injuries, the arm was just ‘stupid’, meaning he won’t likely suffer that injury again, and the broken leg doesn’t have a high chance to be a chronic problem either, like a knee would be. If you need evidence of his endurance, look no further than the 05’ season (coincidentally the season right after his season-ending leg injury). Smitty came back to win the TRIPLE CROWN that next season. This guy is one of the most special wrs to watch in the NFL. He just doesn’t look like every other wr when he goes to work. He plays the game the way it should be, hard, fast, and smart. IMHO, if he’s not an HOFer, it won’t be the first tragic failure of that committee.
I actually talked to Steeler fans
Hines Ward might just have enough to get there, considering how many rings he has… the rings are a big deal for them plus that superbowl MVP
i bet Ward gets in
awesome blocker. very consistent, and like you said, the rings make a big difference. As far as Smith, there just seems to be too many really good receivers during his “era”. A couple of years he was at the top. Other years, he’s just one of the better ones. Most wouldnt even put him in the top 5 the past couple of years anymore.
by Penn Panther Fan on Sep 14, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Rings aren't the only thing...location location location
Players that play for major market teams have a MUCH higher chance of getting into the HoF. From a geographic standpoint Pittsburgh isn’t a major market team, however they are one of the most popular teams in the league and that draws a lot of media attention. I’m pretty sure Ward gets in at some point.
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
I don't always dress like a pirate...but when I do, I do it in this picture.
Smitty blows away Ward and Mason
I know quite a few people that aren’t Panthers fans and think Smitty is pound for pound the top WR out there.
However, if I take all my emotion out of it and look at this as a fan of the 31 other teams would I consider Steve Smith a hall of famer? Probably not, just as I wouldn’t consider Derrick Mason or Hines Ward hall of famers.
This.
I love you Steve Smith (even though I benched you in Fantasy last week). But, you’re probably not going to Canton, unless you go to see one of your friends get inducted.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
reply fail...
Should be reply to Fred Savage James Dator
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
LMAO...
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
I don't always dress like a pirate...but when I do, I do it in this picture.
The one x-factor would be if we win 2 or more superb owls before he hangs ’em up.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
watch the fowl language..
Rocking the boat and righting the ship! Making the moves needed...Go Panthers!!!
Here's a nice pair of boobies to go with the fowl language

Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
I don't always dress like a pirate...but when I do, I do it in this picture.
lol
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Sep 15, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If he does that he should have a shot
Honestly, staying with the same team his whole career should help. It won’t, but it should.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
You know that's not happening, right?
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Sep 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You think?
Next year, I think we will be in the discussion for playoff contenders easily. Assuming everything goes right for once…
Are you starting Smith this week?
I am starting him in the 1 I play in nfl’s site.
Official member of the 2011 Panthers Mafia
Yes.
I will not sit Smitty on the bench for the rest of the year, save for Week 9 (bye week).
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
He's agent 89
He will get you points on a bye week by sheer force of will. Don’t puss out B-Dub, play Smitty.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
by Oi2dwrld on Sep 14, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
It's a stretch at this point, unfortunately
We all love to think of Smitty as an amazingly talented WR and fierce competitor. And we are correct to have those notions. But with a career mired by injury (2004), and subpar QB play (2007, 2009, 2010…) he really is going to have a tough time trying to crack into the hall of fame.
but I will say this...
as far as his “character concerns” go… He’s in a much better spot than TO
by aceofsween on Sep 14, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think, even with taking my bias out of it, that Smith should get in.
He should have the statistical output with 3-4 more seasons with Cam. He has the Triple Crown which sets him apart from other wideouts in his era. And another thing I think shold set him apart is his size. Not many players his size have made such an impact on the receiving game, especially in the modern era where players are bigger, faster, and stronger. Add in how much he meant to the team (a Super Bowl would help a lot in this regard as well), being our incendiary threat on offense for years, and I don’t see how they can justify keeping him out.
Now of course I don’t have a say in the HOF ballot, but I sincerely hope the voters take all I’ve said into account and make the right decision when the time comes.
Yes I'm a dude.
size is a factor
I think his size is why he doesn’t get more TDs. Fades and jump balls don’t always work for him.
by usana_gaines on Sep 16, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
These next couple years will be make or break for Smitty's HOF candidacy
He has two to three years left of being a #1 receiver IMO. If he can average 1,100 year those years, that’d put him almost in the top 15. Something that could really help Smitty and extend his career for years is getting a legit numero uno and moving him to the slot. He’ll be losing his speed soon (yes I know he doesn’t age) but moving him to the slot he could use his quickness and guile to extend his career another 2 or 3 years after him losing number one status. Let’s say he averages 700 yards these last three years he would be about top 10. More than anything, our team’s success will affect ballot voters more than anything. I just hope they take into account the fact that he’s a 5’9" receiver who has mediocre quarterbacking his entire career. That’s gotta count for something, right?!
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
There are a few factors to consider
First off, we need to hope Smitty signs an extension to stay in Carolina. Then there is the hope that Cam continues to impress and get Smith the ball. I think Smitty’s success this year will ultimately dictate whether he stays in Charlotte or not. I for one would love to see him be the first Panther in the HoF.
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Sep 14, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
Zero % chance
I love SS, and everything that he has ever done for this franchise, but he is not HOF…Most of the big numbers put up by WR have come in the last 15 years or so…Maybe if he was at the top of any list concerning WR in the last 10 could he even be mentioned…Is he in the Panthers’ HOF, your damned right, but he has not done even close to enough to be enshrined as one of the greatest of all time…Sorry…
Ummm
Maybe if he was at the top of any list concerning WR in the last 10 could he even be mentioned
He was at the top of all three lists 6 years ago. In 2005 he led the league in receptions, receiving yards, and touchdowns. He has a really good shot at making the HOF if he rejuvenates his career for the next 3-4 years with Cam.
In my opinion, the only thing that might keep Smitty out is his reputation for punching out teammates. I know it’s all a part of his fiery persona, but some of the voters, who by the way don’t really know him, might see it as just his thugishness shining through.
His impact, passion, and determination are all top notch. If he can get 3000-4000 more yards, I think he will at least be in consideration.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 15, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I tend to agree with you....
He needs at least 3000 more yards to even sniff consideration. But, I think he’s going to need more than just the yards. I think he’s got to make a few pro bowls (or be voted in and decide not to play, either way), lead the league in something once or twice, and get a SB ring (or make it to the SB) to get in the hall of fame.
But like I said above, the NFL HOF is a political game. Case in point: Cris Carter’s still not in. Until Carter gets in, Smitty doesn’t stand a chance, no matter what he does over the next 3-4 years.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Cris Carter should file a law suit against the HOF
I completely agree with you. i don’t know what he did to piss the voers off, but Cris Carter is one of the best receivers of all time. Anyone who says differently doesn’t watch football. You want to talk about consistency, professionalism, and work ethic? Cris Carter had all that in spades. He was part of one of the most prolific offenses in the modern era. I think it’s downright criminal for him to be shunned like he has been. Maybe with the exposure he has on ESPN’s Pregame Show some of the voters will soften their stance on him.
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Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)
by Tarheel Soldier on Sep 15, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get it either…I really don’t.
I mean, the guy is 8th ALL TIME in receiving yards and touchdowns, and is 3rd ALL TIME in receptions. He went to the Pro Bowl 8 times, and was a member of the 2nd highest scoring offense in the history of the league (’98 Vikings).
Some of their excuses are bull shit too…“we don’t want too many WR’s to go in at one time”. What?! Who gives a shit what position the players in the HOF class played? If you’re a hall of famer, you’re a hall of famer. It should be that simple. The NFL HOF Committee needs to get their heads out of their asses and start putting in these guys who deserve to be in the hall.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Interesting fact
Smitty has the current NFL record for highest kick return average in a single game vs. the Bengals Dec. 8, 2002 with 3 returns for 153 yards
He also previously held the record for most receiving yards in the playoffs (season, not career) after the 2005 season.
That was until Fitz broke it in 2008—due in large part to our inability to cover him in the divisional round.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
What about John Kasay?
He’s like 8th on the all-time scoring list and still as good as ever from within 50 yards. Any chance he becomes the first Panther in the HoF?
Unfortunately, no.
There are only 3 kickers in the Hall of Fame, and only one of them was just a kicker. The other two played other positions as well as kicker.
Until guys like Morten Andersen get in the HOF, Kasay’s not getting in. The HOF isn’t very welcoming to kickers, so it will be a long time before he’s in.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
true
The #1 and #2 scorers of all time are not in, so #8 doesn’t do much. However, if it makes you feel better, Kasay did get an NFL paycheck for 20 years. He’ll be fine.
by usana_gaines on Sep 16, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Vinatieri will get before Kasay
However you spell his name.
And why? Simply because when the game was on the line (including a few super bowls) he was the guy who finished things off. Kasay is a great kicker, but he did botch the kick off job against the Patriots which ultimately led to… a game winning Adam Vinatieri field goal.
Updated stats...
With Cam Newton throwing for back-to-back 400-yard games and targeting Steve Smith for many of his completions, Smitty now has 9,218 all-time yards. Good enough to place him #42 all-time now in receiving yardage. It’s encouraging to see that Cam continues to feed Smith the ball. Also, I’m very impressed with Rob Chudzinski and his ability to coordinate an NFL offense that gets Steve Smith the ball. How long did we languish under offensive coordinators who couldn’t pull that off? Some of it’s obviously having Cam as the signal caller. But I think a lot more of it results from Chud’s schemes. Regardless, well done all-around for these guys. I hope they extend Steve’s career and he eventually puts up enough numbers to intrigue the HoF voters. Obviously, it’ll take much more than just the receiving yards. This team needs to go places with Smith playing a big part of it for folks to really stand up and take notice again. For now, they’re on the right track. And, as a fan, that’s all you can ask…
My two cents,
—Neil
He's going to need to have a hell of a next 3+ years for him to garner any consideration whatsoever.
I’m going to say he has no shot because Smitty thrives on proving people wrong.
It's entirely possible...
…that he won’t have shot. Much of it depends on whether he decides to stay or hang up his cleats. He’s getting up there in years and he’s a very big “family man” now with his wife and kids. If they think he should retire, he’ll bow out and do his own thing rather than pursue the HoF. And, even if he stays and goes after it hard, it’s still possible he won’t have the ultimate numbers to attract voters his way. A Superbowl win would be the biggest thing to help him. Not just more yardage, TDs, and Pro Bowl appearances. But hitching his wagon to Cam Newton’s rising star isn’t a bad way to get started on some of those goals.
As a Panther fan, Steve Smith definitely belongs in the HOF imo.
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