"and... exhale" Panthers' Smith's finger not broken
by James Dator on Aug 9, 2011 3:15 PM EDT
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PrintWhat first was reported as 'Steve Smith carted off' became 'Smith carted off with head inujry' which then became 'Smith carted off with finger injury- needs x-rays' and now the Gaston Gazette's Steve Reed is reporting that the all-pro WR does not have a break in his finger.
Twitter went crazy, my phone was getting blown up with texts... but at this point we should probably be accustomed to any word of injury being immediately perceived as season ending; unfortunately this has become the MO for the Panthers in recent years.
More notes from camp after the jump
I don't plan to regurgitate Reed's piece, but rather give some opinions on what he wrote.
- It's extremely disheartening that both Everette Brown and Brandon LaFell have become the odd men out in their respective rotations. This was the time for both players to win their jobs and fight for starting spots, but instead they are being beaten soundly by other players. From what we can ascertain Brown has the drive, but not the consistency while Rivera has questioned LaFell's drive at the WR position.
- Nobody really knows what this season holds, but there is no way it's going to be boring. Between wildcat packages, shovel passes and everything else we're hearing from camp it will be an astounding interesting season to say the least.
- I like the idea of Jimmy and Cam both seeing live fire with the 1st team in camp. As always, watch for whoever starts game three... because they'll likely start week one. I sincerely hope Clausen and Cam both light it up so we could potentially bait a trade.
- The Geoff Schwartz injury is very disheartening, and I hope the doctors don't find anything wrong with his hip. I don't know if I can stomach another season with Mackenzey Bernardeau at RG; he's a nice guy, but the weakest part of the OL.
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Someone get me a couple fingers (pun intended) of Glenlivet
And stop making over dramatic headlines like “STEVE SMITH CARTED OFF”
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
yeah carted was misleading
he walked off the field and then rode a cart inside. “carted” has a connotation of “can’t walk so he had to ride” so that didn’t communicate well
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
sorry...
when i posted my fanpost i put it just like they did in the story
by panthercj1988 on Aug 9, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, no prob.
Its their job to get clicks and views, hence the sensational headlines.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL and pass the Glenlivet.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 9, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I REALLY like LaFell the person, and his skill set as a player.
I don’t know what the problem is, but I think they’ll regret it if they let him go. If Schwartz is out, we HAVE to get someone else in at RG. The proof is in the tape, he just can’t do it.
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+cam on macbern
he didnt play well last year, and was a big part of the problem
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
Yeah.
It didn’t work. I’d rather try Ziemba at RG.
Or, let Bernie play LG (like he did, service-ably, in ‘09) and move Travelle to RG…Bernie just can’t handle the speed rushes from the under tackles on the right side. He’s better at doubling the nose or finding the MLB or WLB on the second level.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting enough, Ziemba did play some RG when I was down last week.
I also caught site of him playing there @ FanFest. He holds like a mutha fucka, but that’s ok cause he keeps his hands inside.
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Good.
Maybe Gross or Wharton told them they need a better backup plan at RG.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be shocked if they didn't.
Probably even offered up some cheese if they’d get some help.
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I thought you were supposed to hold when your hands were inside?
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 10, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on if you're talking to a line coach.....
or a referee. You’re never “supposed” to hold.
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according to the rlebooks?
or according to you position coach?
by panthersnbraves on Aug 10, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Supposed to was probably the wrong word.
How about allowed to?
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 10, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you're not allowed to.
But as long as you keep your hands inside, the ref’s let it go. All offensive linemen are taught how to hold from Pop Warner on.
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Who said anything about letting Lafell go?
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no one matty
comment came from BL and DG getting called out re not being prepared for camp, and general suspicions that BL’s work ethic/heart is not as strong as some of the other WRs. plus while he was out with the hammy other WRs played well in his absence, making some wonder if he might be the odd man out
but he’s currently #2 on the 1st depth chart, so there’s nothing out there to suggest he will be cut or traded
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
In reference to the week 3 bullet point:
Rivera, in an interview, stated they would do week 3 like a regular game preparation. Regular season-style practice, preparation, game tape, etc. I think that means we’ll be guaranteed to know who the starter is in WK3.
I like this move by Rivera
Having the team go into Regular Season Game mode then will show who is ready and who is not. Good move.
As far who is starting, that should be all wrapped up by the end of game two, except for at WR and QB. WR, because we are extremely young and the coachs need to be absolutely certain on who to cut, keep, and play. As far as QB, be prepared to watch as Rivera, Chud, and Shula all make Jimmy and Cam prove why they should be the starter. It could get brutal.
Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano
good point
most of our positions are kind of locked up as far as starters go.
OLine, when healthy
Safeties
LBs
RBs
even CB’s if the boys get healthy
TEs not sure if it’s a big deal who is called starter, Shockey and Olsen are prob 1a and 1b, like DWill and JStew
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
HEAL, SMITTY, HEAL
lol
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
sorry to say but smith might be geting too old and britle to play WR in the NFL
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 9, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you actually ever checked 89.com?
I think you’re for surprise…
WARNING – NSFW!!!
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by Panther Fan in GA on Aug 9, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no you didn't!!!!!!
This is what you’ve got to look forward to NOW!!!
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No comments about how Cam needs to be more consistent?
After I saw that quote from Rivera, I thought I would check in to see if anyone was making comments about this. I guess Rivera isn’t wearing the same special glasses that everyone here wears when viewing Cam.
Just in case people missed it, Joe Person from the CO tweeted these two messages while at practice today.
- Edwards goes down to make nice catch of another low throw from Newton. Pattern?
- Steve Smith gets up gingerly after going down to the ground to try to catch low pass from Newton.
This is why Newton shouldn’t start the season and this is why I said yesterday that he can’t complete a 7 yard pass. He’s already responsible for getting Smitty hurt. What happens when he forces a receiver to go up and get a ball in traffic when the other team is trying to take their head off?
Dude, the glasses line is getting tired.
Do you really want to start this again? I don’t have the energy.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey i might need glasses
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 9, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually wear glasses...
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
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by The Duke Dude on Aug 9, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too.
And no, they are not Auburn orange. My football allegiance is to the Duke Blue Devils. Yeah, I know, they suck.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
DOOOKIE
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 9, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we have that in common.
Although I prefer Duke BB to Duke FB.
UNC
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 9, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheats
I just wanted to finish that sentence for you.
Well played.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, yeah.
Its really hard to watch Duke football. Although they may actually have a chance at a bowl this season.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer....
Slow, painful death over Duke ______(fill in the blank)
by mives36 on Aug 9, 2011 6:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm supposed to wear glasses.
But I don’t.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 10, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Do it.
You’ll do better in school. I promise.
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Haha, my grades are already really good.
I don’t have my transcript handy, but I believe it’s around a 4.2 weighted GPA.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 10, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a 2.4 in HS.
And a 3.5 in college. Some of that was my level of focus, sure. But the other factor was I could actually see wtf I was doing.
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I don't really have a serious sight issue.
One eye is really short-sighted, the other one is pretty much perfect and compensates for the other one. The end result is I have above average vision.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 10, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Consider yourself lucky then. Seriously.
Things at 20 feet appear to me like they are 70 feet away (in terms of clarity). People with decent vision don’t realize how much of a burden it is to wear glasses/contacts all the time.
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NEAR-sighted.
Not short-sighted. You want short-sighted, see Michael Vick.
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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 10, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I will offer one comment on the matter.
He is going to work to improve his consistency, I’m sure of it.
But we don’t really need to sit here and argue about who should be the starter, because Newton IS going to be the starter. He is the future of our franchise, not Jimmy Clausen. Embrace him and this team or start a JC fan club. That’s harsh, I know, but I’m tired of talking about Jimmy Clausen. He had his window and he blew it.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you...
on the fact that Cam is the future. I just don’t want to see him starting day one. Right now, JC is showing that he’s a more consistent QB in practice. If that translates into the PreSeason, then he should start.
JC didn’t have a real chance last year. Had Cam been around last year or just about any other rookie QB, there’s no way they would have been successful on that team with that coaching staff. JR came out and said today that Fox and company did very little, if anything, to help JC and AE out last year as rookies. I would hardly call that having an opportunity. Cam is a project and starting him from day 1 won’t be helping him, this team and certainly not his receivers.
Fox was a bad coach in the sense that he had no interest in developing young talent. That is the only thing that was proven last year when JC had his window.
I understand all that.
But its not as if Fox ran on the field and tackled Jimmy. Jimmy just didn’t show us enough to give us (or the organization) any hope. I’ve watched every game from last season three, four, five times, and the QB play was painful to watch. He gave zero indications that he is going to be successful moving forward.
And even with the errant throws, didn’t you see PantherRoar’s comment yesterday where he complied their QB rating from Fanfest? It was 80 to 115 in favor of Cam, because he gets the offense into the endzone, which is the goal of every offense—not to be “consistent” or “efficient” or any other euphemisms we want to use to obscure Jimmy’s deficiencies.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole offense looked bad last year
It’s not like we were an offensive juggernaut when Moore was broken in half and Jimmy came in to play. None of the QBs played well last year.
Besides, I’m not basing anything that I’ve said on anything that happened last year. I’ve only said that JC looks more consistent in the videos and apparently in practice than does Cam. It’s a new year, a new team, a new coaching staff and a new system. Basing this decision on what happened last year when the coach was phoning it in isn’t the way to go.
You don't think the new coaching staff evaluated the tape from last season when making vitally important decisions about the future of this franchise.
You can’t brush it under the rug, dude. It happened, and he was awful.
Does he get a fresh start? Yes. Do I want him to be successful? Yes. But in no way shape or form is he a better option to start. Not now not ever.
And this consistency point…I prefer to score. I prefer to not turn the ball over. Jimmy threw interceptions in both the 11 on 11 drills and the 7 on 7s. Cam did not throw a single interceptions. The offense, led by Jimmy, scored three TDs. While Cam was in, they scored seven. Wake up.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Got to go, will not be able to respond until tomorrow morning. (You love the drive-by comments.)
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say he wasn't awful.
He was. And so was every other QB that started last year. Cam would have been too in that offense.
It’s my understanding that Rivera is giving everyone a clean slate, probably at the direction of JR, and they earn their position by what they do in practice and during games while he’s the coach.
While cams completion percent was low...
His total yards, yards per completion, and total touchdown were high. TDs are clearly the goal, not a hi completion percentage of 2 yard passes to our RBs.
by Panthster on Aug 10, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There is a small segment of this fan base who have yet to accept the reality of the situation.
If I had to guess, I’d say its about not liking Cam Newton, and being angry over the decision to draft him. That, or Jimmy’s grade school teachers are CSR members. I don’t know.
(Yes, this is me talking about you like you aren’t present, Joey. Deep down you love it.)
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ya, lol
Well, it will be interesting to watch and see if they convert to cams fan club or keep bringing the hateraid. My guess is they will convert over once he makes plays in the games. Hopefully, they will eventually see past the bad press telling them what to think.
by Panthster on Aug 10, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think part of it is the overall situation as well
People who are unhappy tend to turn hateful towards something or another. Unfortunately, Charlotte has become quite the spiteful place lately due to the economic problems and their tie-in to the banking industry. Getting a job or selling your house are difficult here atm, so people may be taking their anger and unhappiness out on other things.
To be fair...
I wouldn’t label josephd0 (who my original comment was in reply to) as such without knowing him personally.
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I know, p.
Juz didn’t want him thinking we were piling on him.
I agree with you. There are a lot of people on edge right now. Being human, its only going to spill over into other things.
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That would be funny
Can you see Fox running on field and spearing Jimmy?
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
by gdhood on Aug 9, 2011 11:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would have payed more to see that than the crap we had to watch last season.
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I'm not even sure that the problem was developing the young talent..
I think the reason Jimmy is showing improvement this year is because the coaching staff is not afraid to change the playing style to meet his strengths. We knew since last year that he didn’t have a great deep arm, but Like the letter from JR said, he was dropped into a system that worked fine for Delhome….but didn’t mesh with Jimmy’s playing style.
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I normally don't even reply to an asinine post like this - - - - but
in my humble opinion you don’t know your a** from first base. Come on – - – get real !!!!
Jim
How is that asinine?
I’ll say it slowly. The Head Coach…….said that JC……was more consistent…..than Cam was.
I’m basing all my comments on what I saw in the videos posted yesterday, and on what’s being reported from camp.
I heard on FNZ this morning that last week Cam had a practice where he threw 13 incompletions out of 14 passes during one stretch of practice. Please tell me how it’s asinine to say that the guy who had a stretch like that shouldn’t start the season off as the #1 QB?
Nothing has happened this year that suggests that Cam should start over JC other than the fact that Cam was drafted #1. He’s shown glimpses of what he can be in the future, but that says nothing as to what he will be if we trot him out one week one under center.
No he didn't say that exactly.
He said that Cam needs to become more consistent. He did not talk about Jimmy while answering the same question. You are hearing what you want to.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I paraphrased
JC was praised for having a good practice. Rivera mentioned that Cam needed to be more consistent. I assume that since he was praised that he was consistent.
Which is higher up on your agenda Joesph...
Hating on Cam Newton, or wanting the Panthers to win? If you really think that Jimmy Clausen gives the panthers a better chance to win week 1, then you need to get your head examined. Clausen has been excellent at those little check down passes and quick slants, but he does not bring the X-factor that Cam brings, plain and simple.
by TBW on Aug 9, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Winning, of course
Me saying that Cam isn’t ready to start week one has nothing to do with me hating on him. I’m just going on what I’ve seen and read. The guy makes big plays and then he makes really bad plays. If you have a good running game (check) and a pretty good defense (check) then you have a chance to be in most games. That is unless you have someone turning the ball over or making bad plays. Clausen isn’t going to light it up, but if he’s moving the offense and giving us chances to put points on the board, I could really care less how those points make it up on the board. If the QB throws 50 TDs or 5, as long as we win.
Also, to get back to my “quote” from yesterday, I knew I had heard this somewhere. Here is a direct quote from Carolina Growl.
“Rivera said Clausen was more consistent than Newton during Tuesday’s practice and that the No. 1 overall pick might need a little tweaking on his mechanics.”
It goes on to say that a lot of Cam’s issues are a result of poor mechanics. All I have ever been an advocate of is letting JC start the season while Cam works on this stuff so that when he does start, he and the team will be successful. I’ve said it, and I’ll keep saying it.
good point
Just because you like jimmy to start doesn’t mean you hate cam.
But… jimmy threw 3x more interceptions than TDs last year with a 1-9 record and a 50something qb rating. So…
by Panthster on Aug 10, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've never said Jimmy played well last year
I’ve only said that from what I have seen and from what I have read, he has been more consistent than Cam. Plus, I don’t think we should read too much into anything that anybody did last year. Very few people played up to their potential under the horrible lame duck coaching staff that we had here last season. Not to mention that the new coaches seem to be going more by what is happening now rather than last year. To steal another quote from Scott Reader’s articles…
"In all honesty, everybody is getting another opportunity here," Rivera said. "This is a situation where we came in and didn’t want to have any assumptions about anybody’s abilities or their circumstances. It’s a chance for us and for everybody to start fresh. So I think more so than anything else it’s an opportunity to see what these guys are about."
This was in reference to the DT position, but I assume that it is how they are treating all the position battles.
Lastly, I don’t hate Cam and I’m not angry. I just don’t want to see a guy get thrown in before he’s ready. If anything, that’s what we can take from JC playing like crap last year. He still isn’t really ready to be a good QB in this league, but I think we stand a better chance Week 1 with him under center than Cam. If I had my way about it, neither would start to begin with and Mark Bulger would be under center, but nobody asked me. That would give them both time to develop.
Ya
I just meant that Jimmeh was epic in his badness last year. I agree with starting him over Cam tho. I think Cam is way better, but needs a bit of a buffer which, I agree with you, Jimmy never got. Jimmy can be Cams buffer. It always takes awhile for our O-line to solidify, so whoever starts will have less protection at the beginning of the season. This plays to Jimmy’s tendency to throw to his RBs out of the backfield which is a high completion / low yardage throw. Then when the O-line warms up and we are sick of Jimmeh’s lack of production, bam, we throw in Cam. Hopefully, he will be ready.
Mark Bulger's QB rating his last three seasons as a starter was a 70.
Not too far ahead of what we had with the Jimmeh last season.
The guy retired. That tells me he is done. To me, watching him in STL those last few years, he should have retired three years ago.
What better way to get Cam acclimated to the NFL than to play him. He was not drafted where he was drafted to sit behind an uninspired Mark Bulger or a scared Jimmy Clausen. Delaying the inevitable is just counter-productive to the franchise. We need to find out if Cam can play. He is only on a four year contract, too. So we need to squeeze every ounce of Cammy Cam Juice out of him (no homo) before he has the option to go elsewhere.
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by ERL on Aug 10, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least Marc Bulger is a step above a Thai Prostitute
that shoots footballs out of her vagina. i.e. Jimmy.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 10, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Painfully rec'd for Squeeze ever ounve of Cammy Cam Juice out of him.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 10, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
The “no homo” probably falls on deaf ears after a statement like that, but I digress.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
lol
The "no homo" probably falls on deaf ears after a statement like that
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 10, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Mark Bulger for two reasons
I thought if he came in and started the whole year, we’d have a chance to go to the playoffs as a wild card.
I also think he was the best choice of vets out there to come in and help tutor the young guys. DA isn’t even getting the chance to participate, much less start. That may change as TC and the Preseason progress, but it seems pretty clear that it’s Cam or JC. DA is only here because he played under Chud for a year. It has nothing to do with current or even past abilities.
There are very few QB’s that are drafted #1, or anywhere really, that are ready to start from day 1. Cam doesn’t have the mechanics to be successful right away. Everyone thinks I’m hating on him by saying he shouldn’t start right away, but I’m really wanting him to be good and I think starting him out of the gate will be counter productive. If he sits and watches for the first half of the season, works on his mechanics and then plays the last half of the season, he stands a much better chance to develop into a franchise QB. Besides, if he starts right away and then struggles, we’ll be right back here next year with all of you guys saying how bad he sucks and calling for AL to start week 1, 2012.
Show me a QB in the last 13 years who was drafted #1 overall but DIDN'T start from day one.
Yeah. That’s what I thought.
I couldn’t disagree more with your assessment. Cam gives us the best chance to win. Period.
Marc Bulger?
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Honestly, it's about 50/50
And only 2 of the guys since 1998 came even close to a winning record as a started their first year. This may be the most compelling evidence yet.
Sam Bradford – 7-9 Started every game. Weak division but a solid QB.
M. stafford – 2-8. Started from week 1.
J. Russell – 0-1 Didn’t start week one.
A. Smith 2-5. Didn’t start week one.
Eli Manning 1-6. Didn’t start week one.
Carson Palmer 0-0. Didn’t start any games.
David Carr 4-10. Started the entire year. That may have also been the most games he ever won in a single season.
M. Vick – 8-4. Started week on and was the only #1 with a winning record.
T. Couch – 2-12. First start was week 2.
P. Manning 3-13. Started every game. Even he didn’t do well.
10 guys drafted #1 overall and only 4 started from week one. 1 started the very next week. Hardly any of them had good seasons seasons as rookies from win/loss perspective.
So much for tumbleweeds. More like a freight train.
Imagine if Indy had given up on PM when the team only won 3 games his first year out. And he had a coach who gave a damn.
Wrong count.
5 started week 1. One started week 2. 4 waited a whle.
And it would get lop-sided in my favor
If we started counting QBs selected with the first 20-22 picks.
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Ahh, a freight train? Really dude?
Of the QBs on this list, who would you compare Cam to?
How’d that guy do?
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Carson Palmer.
Eli Manning.
Just off the top of my head.
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 11, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
consistency
Rivera did say cam needs to be more consistent. He did somewhat imply that jimmy was more so, but look at the film from last year. Jimmy was consistent, consistently bad. I’m all for givng him every chance to win the job but he didn’t even show anything to be excited about. There didn’t appear to be any up side. If nothing else u can’t say cam doesn’t show a huge up side. He will struggle this year but he will also show flashes of brilliance that jimmy never did last year. Look for a brea out season next year. Calling it now! You heard It here.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not every player is going to be great from their first day in camp.
Look at Drew Brees. He’s a top 3 QB right now and San Diego kicked him to the curb just as he was catching fire. More goes into whether a player turns out to be good, bad or great than just one season. Sometimes it depends on the system, coaching staff and a lot of other factors. JC was on a really bad team with coaches who weren’t out for him to be successful and it showed. He may still suck in 3 years, but he deserves to at least have a real chance at success. Last year wasn’t really a fair shot.
Well...
SD had just drafted Rivers (well, Eli actually, but you know the deal) and Brees was coming off a shoulder injury that looked like something out of the Saw movies. So I can see why they’d be willing to deal Brees. But I really think Brees blossomed in N.O., so I can agree with you there.
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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 10, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
everytime he goes down
it’s like…. is he gonna get up with broken leg?
Little guys don’t last as long as big guys
This has been a public service announcement.......
Im a big smitty fan but
Proof is in the pudding… he gets hurt on a low pass?? lol
This has been a public service announcement.......
Does every sentence require a new post?
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
does
This has been a public service announcement.......
by CaptainPanther on Aug 9, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
umm ...not so much.
Just seems like it would be easier for you to keep it all in one post. To each his own.
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johnellis212 John Ellis
#panthers news: Clausen to start on Saturday. good test for JC. Expect cam to run with 1st team during preseason, per Rivera’s comments.
Guacamole <3
I expect Cam to start games 2 and 3 and Clausen 1 and 4.
Sidenote: I’m not sure who John Ellis is, but he really should attribute to writers. Person tweeted this 10 minutes before he wrote it… just a pet peeve of mine. It’s stuff like this that gives bloggers bad names
by James Dator on Aug 9, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I hear you.
Its the one thing that reinforces the “less that credible” moniker that is unfairly attached to nearly all bloggers.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Bill Voth pointed to him in his absence
Pretty sure he’s actually there, so it might not have been taken.
There’s a pretty big gap between being a training camp, and being in the press corps while Rivera is speaking to the media.
Maybe I’m wrong, but unless he’s holding a mic with the rest of the writers then Person’s twitter feed first announced it.
The great thing about both my post and yours is they are both assumptions
Can’t really slam the guy unless we know the facts. You see what I’m sayin?
He stated a week or two ago that he was given press credentials for T.C.
I can’t find where, but I did read it. His blog is www.the212daily.com. That is all I know.
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I wouldnt mind letting jimmy start all preseason
Cam has to work with the 2s on offense, but he also goes against the 2s on D. This might help slow the game down for him and boost his confidence. Then promote him to the starter at week 1 or 2 which will also boost his confidence, hopefully.
Can you start a game to guess his starting week?
by Panthster on Aug 10, 2011 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they will both start PS games and have equal time with the ones, chico said
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
no surprise there. sept. 11, that's a different story
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
We'll see when the red jerseys come off.
I really hope I’m wrong, but when the red jerseys come off I expect to see the same “scared kid” syndrome" from Pickles that we saw last year.
Jim
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I just came to check in and wow. Anyway I am FREAKED OUT about preseason. No serious injuries please. Knock on wood. Also, Andre Johnson broke a finger and was out 2 days good lord.
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I'd really like to get our starting corners back in there
Sorry, but I am not impressed by burning Stanford for TD’s. Gamble and Munn need to get their asses in gear. I will not be happy if we get embarrased in PS because our QB’s cant work against solid corners and our D rolls over on big plays.
good point on "who our QBs are throwing against" pp
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
Geoff Schwartz injury
Wait, WHAT? I missed somptin’! Gimme a link!
hey johnny
is the twitter a link? lol
carolinagrowl Steve Reed
Geoff Schwartz has a visit with doctors. He has a hip injury. Hasn’t practiced since Saturday.
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
twitter worked
Many thanks pal. I must have missed that one. I was on the grandpa box (desktop)
I’ll be a lot happier and more optimistic if the cats move Garry Williams inside to sub for da Schwartz. He did a reasonable job at OT last year. That let Schwartz move inside to guard.
I agree that we’ve had a SERIOUS run of injuries the past few years. This is especially troubling considering the good reputation of grass fields. Linemen especially, seem to be falling pretty often.
The long lockout may account for some injuries during this training camp. I wonder how other teams are doing.
by criolle johnny on Aug 9, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
is it just me or have we had some of the worst luck with injuries over the past 3 years?
Ever since 2008 we have been destroyed by injuries
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AYE I'm headed down to spartanburg 2morrow...does anybody know which practice is padded?
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by Justin704 on Aug 9, 2011 8:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
justin the schedule says its back to 6pm
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Cool...thanks
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by Justin704 on Aug 9, 2011 9:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope Schwartz is okay, that's a bigger concern for me than Smitty's finger.
A little tape and he’ll be fine. Like James I don’t know if I can stand having Mack Bern starting at RG. With Otah back it should help but I’d much rather him be depth. We might as well as throw this thing in between Kalil and Otah:
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by John Chilton on Aug 9, 2011 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think that is Bernie’s cousin, named “Right this way, Sir.”
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by ERL on Aug 10, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Surprised @ the publicity Smitty's finger is getting
They did a segment on it on SC, showed his projected stats (66 catches, 899 yards, 5 TD) and the news has been on their feed along w/ a quote of his on the injury. Didn’t think the media cared about him, after his statistical drop-off…
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Aug 10, 2011 2:48 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah But
That’s the only news on the Panthers I’ve seen on SC all week. I thought they would at least be giving Cam updates, or make a sidenote at some point in time. They have talked about the Pats, Jets, Giants, Eagles and Lions every day. Not just the Panthers but the whole south can’t get no love at all
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
We're not interesting enough to a national audience to be constantly mentioned
Smitty is one of the best in the game, he will get mentions for injuries. Gross, Beast, Double Trouble, Shocky, a QB and maybe Kalil or Olsen would also warrant national mentions.
Unless they’ve just won a Super Bowl, no team in the NFC South holds enough national interest to warrant all day media attention. Hopefully this year will change that.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
I've seen them talk about Cam just about every day or two
They’ve talked about how he’s done in camp and about the depth chart position briefly yesterday.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Aug 10, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Mike and Mike starts their two a days tomorrow. They are going by record. Worst to Champs. So Broncos and Panthers will be covered.
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They can't wait to get to Tebow.
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Going to talk about Cam today on First Take.
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by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 10, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Cam will get some attention for a couple weeks
Then the national media can return to the usual big market teams….
by panthersnbraves on Aug 10, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Doing deal or Dud one guy picked Cam as Stud. Skip said for this year only he likes him long term. potential star. Said Dud. Said we had the worse team in the league. Said look at our depth chart for proof…Guess we got no talent?
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by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 10, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Now debating on 1 and 10 talking about the Bungals…Fair for them to be ranked #32. Chris Brousard. said we should be ranked #32 not the benguls..then said you can’t write off any team in the NFL..then stopped himself to say perhaps Carolina..Stick to basketball you ass hat
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by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 10, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I might think the same thing.
If all I was required to do was pretend that I knew what I was talking about weekday mornings on ESPN.
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if you want natl media attn you cant go 2-14
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
You still can
You just have to draft a Tebow-sized lightning rod :)
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 10, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
SCHWARTY update
carolinagrowl Steve Reed
G Geoff Schwartz had a shot in his hip to alleviate inflammation. Nothing seriously wrong other than pain.
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
Nothing wrong other than pain...
Lol.
by Panthster on Aug 10, 2011 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
pain > surgery : )
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
Cortisone, the wonder drug.
That and daily Naproxen, and he won’t feel a thing.
TD foot
josephperson Joe Person
Ron Rivera says LB Thomas Davis getting his foot examined. Said injury did not happen on a specific play.
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
olsen at WR
billvoth Bill Voth
Olsen lining up some as a wideout. I’d put good money on bet that he’ll lead #Panthers in receptions.
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
hardy update
carolinagrowl Steve Reed
Should be very soon. RT @Larger20: @carolinagrowl When will Greg Hardy start practicing? Any update on his injury?
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
interesting snippet from Reeder
carolinagrowl Steve Reed
Players who need to step up at Panthers camp: WR Brandon LaFell, DE Everette Brown, OG Duke Robinson, CB Robert McClain & TE Gary Barnidge.
2 hours ago
Steve Reed
carolinagrowl Steve Reed
Players on the rise at Panthers camp: DE Eric Norwood, DT Corvey Irvin, WR Armanti Edwards, QB Cam Newton and TE Greg Olsen.
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
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