How is Cam coming along?
At this point we've had a good amount of time to see Cam Newton wearing the red 'no hit' jersey running both the second, and first team offenses for the Carolina Panthers in training camp. In less than a week we'll get to see him under live fire from the New York Giants in the first preseason game. While some dismiss preseason football as pointless folly, I'm definitely in the camp that believes it can be an extremely important predictor for a team's future success (or lack thereof).
We'll have ample discussion about the Giants game throughout the week, but today I thought we'd focus on Cam Newton (surprise) to get a feeling for how he's been doing in training camp and where he is based on what we saw at Auburn, and at the NFL combine. If you haven't done so already, I strongly suggest you watch the six minute video of Cam found here in Kris Mynatt's post. It will help you get a good sense for what I'm going to talk about today.
In short, Cam Newton is a project. There are still many areas where his game needs to be polished, but he's looking much better than we saw prior to the draft. Though there are some suspect areas in his mechanics, he is a lot further along than I expected him to be at this point. The pure fact alone that he and Jimmy are trading off in camp for who looks better supports the idea that Cam is as NFL ready as anyone at the position at this point.
If you want the 'long version' of Cam's breakdown, including more in depth analysis you can find it after the jump.
Areas of Improvement
I don't want to give Cam too much effusive praise because there are still areas he needs to improve. Not everything about a young player is perfect, and while some will take this as condemnation of him as a player, please understand I'm as optimistic about his future as anyone. That being said, I'm not going to pretend that everything he touches turns to gold.
- His backpedal under center still looks unnatural and his gait is such that he's still not hitting his mark on 3 and 5 steps drops with regularity. However, prior to the draft he was missing his mark by a foot to a foot and a half, now I'm seeing it being about half that; We are seeing improvement.
- On short routes he's lofting the ball too much, as opposed to driving the pass between the numbers. As much as the short, safe routes will be utilized at times by this offense he will need to tighten this up, or give up some costly interceptions.
- Selling the play fake/handoff is another area of improvement needed. Cam was used to selling his one step drop and run at Auburn, and did so to great effect but that offense did not give him many opportunities to work on traditional play fakes. He's getting better, but right now they're still fairly poor. In the same vein, his pump fakes are exceedingly slow when compared to his actual passes; you can see them from a mile away.
- Running more: I know this seems like a bizarre critique, but I'd like to see Newton taking off more often. There have been times where yards were left on the table while Cam waited for a route to develop. That being said, I feel that the coaching staff are probably dissuading him from running as much as he does, so this could be an element of coaching.
Positives
Honestly, the criticisms of him are minor compared to the areas he's excelling in. As I said before, it's remarkable how quick he's been catching on to the NFL game.
- Cam's deep pass accuracy has been right on the money for much of the week. He's leading receivers well and hitting them in stride. Only rarely are we seeing adjustment on the part of the WR, and this is a testament to how much he's improved.
- The pocket presence Newton has displayed it astounding for a rookie QB. Whether the pocket is collapsing, or just being tightened he's moving extremely well to avoid the rush while keeping his eyes downfield. In this way he looks a lot like Ben Roethlisberger in his rookie season.
- Jimmy Clausen didn't possess the command of the huddle needed to inspire teammates, but Newton has done the exact opposite. There is a certain swagger the offense possesses with Newton under center that we don't see when another QB is in. The leadership aspects we've heard about are shining through.
- Shaking off mistakes: This is one of the key areas young QBs struggle in. We see them get inside their own heads too much when they make a bad play and then repeat the same errors. We saw this from both Matt Moore and Jimmy Clausen in 2010. Cam displays a poise after making an error where he is cleary upset, but he quickly synthesizes the coaching and lesson from it and moves ahead with confidence.
Summary
Cam Newton should be the Carolina Panthers' starting QB in 2011, that much is clear. He brings a confidence and ability to the offense that isn't possessed by another QB on the roster. There are still areas he needs to improve in, but as it stands he will learn those on the job. The time is now for Cam Newton to take over this offense, and I suspect he'll surprise some people in preseason.
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The preseason will be important now more than ever
With all the young players on the roster, it will interesting to see how everyone fits. Especially, the youngsters that were brought in this year and last. I know I will be following the preseason games with extreme interest.
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Aug 8, 2011 3:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, this preseason can't be as bad as last preseason was
We didn’t even score a SINGLE touchdown last preseason. NOT ONE! Hopefully, we’ll see at least a little of the dynamic play we’re hoping for this season. I think both QBs will be ready for the challenge. I really don’t care who wins the battle to start game one, I just want the one the coaches feel has the best command of the plays on the field. Cam or Jimmy, it really doesn’t matter to me.
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Did the stats from the videos of JC and Cam...
First of all I am home sick, but I don’t think the cold medicine is altering my math (to much, lol). Also, I separated out stats based on full defense and partial.
JC
(Full D) 12 / 19 for 63% | 170 yds | 1TD | 1 Int | 87.6 Qb rating
(Part D) 5 / 7 for 71% | 34 yds | 2TD | 1 Int | 81.8 Qb rating
Cam
(Full D) 9 / 25 for 36% | 234 yds | 3TD | 0 Int | 110.6 Qb rating (2 sacks)
(Part D) 5 / 8 for 63% | 40 yds | 3TD | 0 Int | 114 Qb rating
by Panthster on Aug 8, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hmm. Interesting.
Cam had two balls dropped, as well.
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by ERL on Aug 8, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Those numbers speak for themselves
Interesting to me though that JC actually gets worse in the 7 on 7. For a guy who we tend to hammer for not being cool under pressure, you would think there would be a big disparity there that favors the 7 on 7.
The important part is the 0 INT number from Newton, and i expect he would also contribute a decent rushing yards contribution in normal play.
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Should also add though that 36% passing isn't going to get it done, regardless of drops.
Even if your completions are big completions, you need to keep the chains moving. I like that Cam has the confidence to go deep, but I would like to see more safe dump offs. Not nearly as much as Clausen, but he will see more deep routes open up if he hits a few receivers underneath now and then.
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I agree with this
One way I’m justifying it in my head (albeit optimistically) is that it seems like the coaching staff have been asking Cam to force throws first before thinking about tucking the ball and running.
It’s my hopes that he wouldn’t throw some of these passes, but run instead.
Yeah ive been thinking the same. Cam running is a short dump off pass. He will gets just as much if not more yardage. Staff seems to be trying to get him to pass as much as possible since that is the area he can sharpen up on.
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Yeah, and I think the same thing
I’m sure the coaches want to see more of his throwing, and have told him to throw more rather than run.
But, even though Cam is an excellent runner, we are better off having him dump off to a RB than run it himself… for injury reasons and because as good as Cam may be at running, D-Lo, Stew, and Goods are better. This of course assuming he can safely complete the pass to an open RB.
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I wouldnt get too worked up over these stats.
Consider the fact that the sample size is a 6 minute video..it’s a pretty small sample size to be thinking that it means a lot, IMO. I think we’ll be able to better evaluate these guys come Saturday night. I wonder who will start against the NYG’s.
by Ryan439 on Aug 8, 2011 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder if he will scramble more in a real game...
and not just throw as many out of bounds. There were a few flat out drops by his receivers. He makes much quicker decisions then our past QBs, IMO, and I think many of his targets weren’t ready when he threw the ball to them. I think the majority of his incompletions fell into these two categories.
Yes, he will run more in games, IMO.
Because there will be some games where he has to run more in order for the Panthers to win.
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by ERL on Aug 8, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
true...the 36% completion is atrocious (even if a couple of them were on the receiver)...
…but his 9.36 YPA is still astounding; extrapolated across an entire season, this would be one of the best marks of all time (and certainly blows away anything in the past 40 years). Most sports pundits agree YPA is one of the 2 most important stats to determine QB effectiveness (along with TD:INT ratio). So given that, it’s a really impressive showing for Cam. Other than his lack of interceptions, the stat line looks a lot like the passing stats from the 1950’s-70’s that evolved into the Air Coryell offense; low percentage passing routes with high ROI when completed.
That being said, I still don’t know who should start week 1…I think it mostly depends on whether Chud ‘n Vera want more ball control to keep the opposing team’s defense on the field longer or a quick strike capability, sort of like the old Run ’n Shoot or its myriad variations. Obviously each has its merits.
The real test will be the games
But I think Cam has better presence in the pocket than Clausen so I think he has the advantage going into the first preseason game against the Giants.
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Aug 8, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey James!
Does he do a good job of shifting his weight on run plays under center or does he tip what side the run play goes to??
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Seems inconsistent, but for the most part he's doing a good job.
Let me put it this way, he’s not standing out for it which means he’s doing okay. I rewatched some tape and went over it with a fine tooth comb to look at how he’s handing off, so it’s nitpicking at best
I think Cam has shown enough to be the starter. Already.
Yes he’s going to struggle at times. But his upside is undeniable. The sooner he gets in there the sooner he gets better.
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I think that
I think this year for the Panthers will be similiar to the Bucs 2 yrs ago when it was Freeman’s rookie year. They won some games (4, I think), but the important thing was Freeman got some great on the job training. I would like to see us win more games than the ‘09 Bucs but the most important thing to me is for this team to grow and improve. Cam will be one of the best QB’s in the league in time. In my opinion at least. But, for now he’s still a rookie and has a long way to go.
But, damn doesn’t the future look bright for the Panthers!!
I think Freeman is the best comparison for how Cam will play out this year. I do think our team is far better as a whole than that Bucs team a couple of years ago (meaning I think we will win more than 4 games). The future is bright. Let’s just hope Cam progresses in a similar fashion to Freeman.
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I agree
The Panthers as a whole are a hell of alot more talented than the Bucs. I’m predicting a 7-9 season this year with 3 of the losses being lost by 6 or less.
by Brandon Beaver on Aug 8, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
nitpicking, here...
…but I believe the Bucs went 3-13 during Freeman’s rookie campaign.
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by PanthersPaul on Aug 8, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
The Video Tape never lies...
You know what your gonna get with Jimmeh. Check downs, nothing more than 20 yds downfiled, some WTF moments. From what i saw, Cam is a no-brainer to start Game 1. James nailed it when he says the O has more Swagger with Cam under center, and Swagger is SOOOO important to a team. Players that can bring that to their respective units are extremely rare (Think Ray Lewis for Ravens D) Newton’s mere pressence is going to put Defenses under strain because of the different options he brings and the fact he actually throws downfield. Quite beautifully too. The O with him, Olsen, Shockey, Smitty, D Will, and Stew is gonna be the most fun us Panthers fans have had in what seems like forever!
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+Cam Great post
I think you might have left out AE and Nanee (wrong spelling) as part of the best O we’ve ever seen
Jim
I actually counted more WTF moments with Cam than Jimmeh.
The 36% accuracy and some of the mechanical issues need to be cleaned up. And the payback would be significant if he could master the RB ball fake and the Brett Favre pump fake. But you and James are right about the confidence/swagger thing. It’s obvious even on these shittly little video clips. And that clean accurate deep ball is a beautiful thing.
Agree with the needed improvement on pump fakes and with RB ball fakes, but
there has been so much for this guy to master since being drafted, just the play book alone, and 3 step and 5 step drops, etc,etc. He has come so far with so little time that it shows his dedication and work ethics are there. He is getting the big things first and I am sure he will get the other aspects of the game in time.
He has pleasantly surprised a large majority of this forum with how much he has worked at his game, and how much he has accomplished.
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Well based on the stats above provided by Panthster:
JC
(Full D) 12 / 19 for 63% | 170 yds | 1TD | 1 Int | 87.6 Qb rating
Cam
(Full D) 9 / 25 for 36% | 234 yds | 3TD | 0 Int | 110.6 Qb rating (2 sacks)
I would still be inclined to take the stats of Newton over those of Clausen. Granted only nine passes are completed, but Newton’s numbers represent points scored, rather than the safe play of Clausens numbers (which in all actuality are not that safe, as he only completes 3 more passes and throws 1 INT).
To me, the image of Clausen will always be this:

The guy just doesn’t seem to do much of anything else. He plays to try and not lose the game, rather than playing to try and win it. Granted this is all mainly supposition as this is a team practice, but the patterns show through. Clausen is a checkdowner while Newton is a high risk, high reward player at the moment. I think I’ll take the chance with Newton.
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by Ivan459 on Aug 8, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I have to say the one thing that worries me the most
Is Cam’s drop back. To me, and I am no QB expert, he doesn’t drive back hard and/or fast enough for the pro game. When I watch the better QBs, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, they fly back. The quicker you get back, the more time you have to diagnosis the play. And as a rookie, Cam will need as much time as possible to read the D. However, its clear Cam has the speed to do this, it just takes repitition and good coaching.
by Scotch on the Prowl on Aug 8, 2011 5:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Peyton and Rodgers are both tall
I know its trivial, but this is just one of the areas that a shotgun spread offense does not prepare you for the NFL. Will he get it eventually? Absolutely. But to say that he is great now is looking past a few things.
by Scotch on the Prowl on Aug 9, 2011 6:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I keep hearing the same thing with Newton vs. Clasuen
Clausen plays not to lose, while Cam is agressive and will take chances downfield. This just makes me think that Clausen symbolizes the Panthers offense in previous years, while Cam is representing the Panthers offense of the present/future. I’m all for Jimmy if he can really step it up and force a tough decision by Rivera, but personally, I’m just glad to see them stepping away from the “play not to lose” mentality. Once again, glad to have you onboard, Rivera and co.
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After one full week of...
What stands out to me is the fact that Clausen is more percise with his throws 12/19 but only manages to put 6 points on the board. Cam is a little more of the risk taker 9/25 and gets us 18 points on the board.
I guess football is a lot like life, sometime safe isn’t going to cut it. It’s usually the risk takers who end up winning the game.
Clausen accuracy ratio maybe slightly better than Cam’s but it’s clear Cam understands that in order for you to win, you must cease the moment by taking some risks.
Yup
Chad Penninngton is Mr. Accuracy… Brett Favre was Mr. Gunslinger… I’ll take Favre every time.
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And if Pennington hadn't gotten stricken with such bad injury luck, we'd probably be talking about him and Peyton as the top QB's in the league right now...
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Maybe
There’s no doubting that Penny had all the tools, and has made the best of his destroyed throwing arm… don’t know if not being injured would necessarily mean he would be on Peyton’s level, though. Peyton matches up with the best of all-time, so Penny would have a lot to prove, even with no injuries.
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And then there's that dude Tom Brady...
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Not sure how I forgot to list Brady lol...
but Penn was phenomenal when he finally got his starting shot 2 years after getting drafted, and I have to think if they hadn’t rushed him back from that initial tear in his shoulder he would’ve been an elite QB…
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great post james
disagree on one point. cam is a rookie, but not a project. AE was a project last year. NBA teams draft european kids that will play in a few years after they develop. Cam is not a project IMO. he will contribute right away.
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I think by project he means a player that is going to take some time to turn into a true NFL QB. Cam is still a product of the college game in some ways. It is up to the coaches to get some of that college play out of him.
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Precisely
Cam is not ‘NFL ready’, and even he acknowledges that he needs to put the film and cerebral work in to be a successful NFL QB.
Now, that doesn’t mean that he can’t have success year one, because Sam Bradford was a similar project player out of college who played in an Oklahoma spread offense, however, the Rams did everything they could to ease his transition into the NFL and from the zone option elements and heave TE sets we’re seeing in camp it appears the Panthers are doing the same for Cam
most rookies are not NFL ready
are they all projects? why call them rookies? let’s just call them all projects.
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by scatterbrain on Aug 8, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Snarkiness aside, rookie QB’s are more of a project than say a DE, or OT, or RB. QB’s have to usually learn an entire new system. They have to change their throwing mechanics, their dropback styles, new offensive styles of play, etc.
A DE rushes the passer. That doesn’t change beside learning a bit more of the teams D style. A RB has to learn a little more due to the playbook and blocking responsibilities, etc. I’d say a WR is second only to QB’s in terms of being “projects”. It is rare that a WR or QB comes out in their first year and light the world up. Why? Because they are learning a whole new game.
So yeah, I’d say the term project applies to certain positions. So you don’t have to call every rookie a project.
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No, all rookies are not 'projects'
According to the Oxford dictionary
project(proj·ect)
noun
1 an individual or collaborative enterprise that is carefully planned and designed to achieve a particular aim
In the case of Cam we have an OC (Chud), QB coach (Shula), veteran QB (Anderson), and two external QB coaches (Whitfield and Weinke) who have all played a role in a collaboration to turn him into an NFL QB, the ‘particular aim’. This is then coupled with a playbook that has been tailored to take advantage of his strengths and installing numerous safety valves for a young QB in TE and RB routes to make his transition as easy as possible.
What other rookies have an entire structure built around them to bring their game from the college to the pros? Only QBs, and only those who ran NFL unfriendly systems in college like Cam and Bradford. Matt Ryan didn’t have this kind of tutelae.
by James Dator on Aug 9, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec’d for “tutelae.”
Sounds like a new term for flatulence.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL....James is such a good writer, his typos make new awesome words.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
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by The Duke Dude on Aug 9, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
God… I need to get an anti-ghosting keyboard at work.
I swear, 9/10 typos happen at work and are because this thing can’t keep up with my typing
I'll admit it...
I almost looked up “tutelea” to see if it was some fancy word you were using. Then I realized that you just missed the ‘g’ key. lol.
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Oklahoma was a lot more of a pro style spread than people give credit for.
Definitely helped ease Bradford’s transition.
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 9, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I will be interested to see what McDaniels has in store for Bradford.
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by ERL on Aug 9, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here.
He’s probably one of the most talented QB’s McDaniels has worked with. He turned Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow, and Matt Cassel into statistical monsters. And of course you have Tom Brady. St. Louis has a very underrated receiving corps, Mike Sims-Walker is a big target with some downfield speed and Danny Amendola is like a Welker clone. And Mark Clayton, Danario Alexander, and Laurent Robinson have all displayed flashes, they could turn into dangerous threats similar to what Brandon Lloyd did last year. I think we could see a return of the Greatest Show on Turf this year.
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 9, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But it will be a little different. McDaniels will pick right up where they left off with last year’s OC Pat Shurmer (now HC of the Browns) in terms of style:
Short passing. Lots of YAC. Excellent down-field blocking, etc. I just hope that he doesn’t forget that he has an absolute animal in the backfield.
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the future
I love where we are headed. The biggest asset we have forour future sucess is cam’s work ethic. I feel like his drive to be great is shining thru and that bodes well for us. Let’s hope he develops into vic of last year and not vick in his youth. While he’s not quite vick with his feet due to his size I feel like he is a bit ahead of vick(rookie) as a passer, and he enjoyed decent sucess as a rookie. Let’s hope he realizes being a passing threat first will make his feet that much more effective.
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