Final cuts get Panthers to 80
by James Dator on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM EDT
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PrintTony Pike (waived/injured), Duke Robinson, Chris Massey were the final cuts to bring the Panthers roster to 80 today along with Cletis Gordon and the rest of the IR troop who joined him today.
Pike was never a fit for Rob Chudzinski's offense as he simply doesn't have the arm needed to succeed. That being said, he's a nice guy and hopefully will find a role on an NFL team that run an offense that can better suit his abilities. He's a true short pass type guy, and those players can find roles as backups. I suspect someone will take a flier on Pike to be their third stringer.
Duke Robinson is the disappointment in this group because he had so much promise. One time thought to be a potential 'steal of the draft' type player, in the end Robinson showed every bit of why he slipped as far as he did. A poor work ethic, constantly being out of shape and failing to impress in practice overshadowed his abilities as an extremely effective run blocker on occasion. What is further frustrating is that if Robinson had only applied himself I have no doubt he'd be the team's starting RG now in the wake of the Geoff Schwartz injury, but c'est la vie.
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I feel sorry for Pike
He never really got a chance in Carolina. He came into a bad situation that only got worse. I was disappointed last year when he wasn’t given the chance to start while Moore and Clausen were both injured. I don’t think he would have faired any better than they did but I just wish he had been given the chance.
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
He's a a 6th round QB. It's to be expected.
Minus a few exceptions of course.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah like a certain QB in Foxboro.
We dare not say his name.
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
I knew someone would immediately reply this
Which is why I said “minus a few exceptions”. That scenario is certain to not happen again.
STEVE SMITH!
He also got that late start didnt he?
wasn’t he in a school that had a different timeline from the draft so he had to wait till his class graduated b4 he could go to training camps?
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"c'est la vie"
French for “it is what it is”
by Panthster on Aug 30, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
eso si que es
en espanol!
by clemsonPANTHERSnascarKBandBK on Aug 30, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't it 'que es lo que es'?
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Aug 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Jaja yo hablo Espanol, realmente
pero, hici ‘Google Translate’ este vez. (soy demasiado perezoso para usar accentos)
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Sep 1, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
You're both wrong...
It’s “es lo que es”.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
actually
Its french for ‘such is life’. Not trying to be a prick, just did want john fox involved. Lol
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Aug 30, 2011 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Finnaly someone knew. I couldn’t remember exaxtly what it was but I knew it wasnt “it is what it is” and it was bugging the crap out of me.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 30, 2011 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
true
Just minus the fox
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Aug 30, 2011 7:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
C'est la vie, it is what it is, that's life: all = shit happens, and there's nothing you can do about it.
All these are stoic acceptances of fate, which are scoffed at by the movers and shakers of societies and civilizations, who feel they were born to change things, and not merely accept them as they happen.
Think Howard Beale, played by Oscar winner Peter Finch, in “Network,” who uttered the famous line, “I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take it any more!”
Of course, as in his case, sometimes the struggle doesn't succeed, but he didn't take it lying down.
So long noodle arm, we hardly knew thee,
no harm in Hurney taking a 6th round flyer on Pike but in the end he just doesn’t have the arm to play in a vertical offense. He needs to get in the gym and bulk up a bit if he wants to make it in the NFL.
As for Duke….sigh….go eat another cheeseburger and stop frustrating me with your failed potential.
Rules and Regulations of the Game: 89, Bottom Line
“I can haz cheezburger naow?”
~Duke Robinson
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
^^^This^^^
Rules and Regulations of the Game: 89, Bottom Line
by John Chilton on Aug 30, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we expecting
much action along the waiver wire front today? I’m anxious to see how all this shakes out.
"I’m not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."
Do you go
to the bottom of the waivers when you pick up a player?
Or are the panthers at the top of the waivers until week one?
In other words if panthers and Bears both claim Player A and Player B. Do the panthers get both? Or do Panthers get A, then drop down to the bottom of the order, and Bears get B…
I’ve been looking online but haven’t found an answer, but maybe I’m wording my question wrong…
Could be wrong
but I think the Panthers are on top of the waiver until week one starts
"I’m not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."
by Schrute Bucks on Aug 30, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Week four, not week one.
The Panthers are #1 on the waiver list until Week 4 of the regular season.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I'm awesome like that. ;-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Except me :)
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
hole?
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 30, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I was looking for wipe, hole works.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
lol
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we can make that work.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
thanks for the correction bw.
"I’m not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."
by Schrute Bucks on Aug 30, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Seemed like its through week 4
I think I read that here somewhere, but I read so much stuff could be wrong, and it was for something else!!! but until I’m corrected- I’m right-haha
No big surprises here.
Duke and Pike were worth their late round picks to see if we could find a diamond in the rough. Look how many important contributors we have found in the 4th and beyond. They can’t all be golden eggs.
You see these low work ethic but high talent guys (like Duke) and these great college QBs with big flaws in their game (like Pike) and hope that NFL level coaching, physical training, and money can shape and motivate them into a decent pro, but like so many things in life the best indicator of future gains is past performance.
I know this, we need to address the OL depth in free agency immediately, and we probably need to spend a high round pick on a versatile OL next year in the draft. We need to plan for the future when you are playing with guys getting older (Gross) and others who are injury prone (Otah).
This comment section has officially been Tater'd.
The Saints released Alex Brown today...
Shocking, yes. But they did according to Pat Y.
We need help on the D-Line…anyone interested?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I am!
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we really need another DE though (he's probably too much for a pure backup role)?
Granted, the talent is there…but we need help inside more than anything
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
We need all the help we can get on the D-Line
I think another DE for depth would be fine…we still don’t know if Brown is going to survive cuts.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Neither Norwood or Brown are NFL DE's
So yes, we do really need another DE.
by FF Companion on Aug 30, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Norwood could be.
He needs to stay on the left tackle all the time though…oh and gain 15-20 lbs of good weight. Until then he’s a 3rd down rusher at best.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I saw flashes in our horrendous DLine play
The guy explodes around that corner with speed, no standing and spinning. You’re def right that he needs to be on the LT though, RT fatties would eat him alive due to leverage.
Saw this as well
Started 16 game 39 tackles 2 sacks 1 forced fumble for the Saints in 2010. Yes please.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
Is that better than E. Brown?
Last year Brown got 25 tackles and 3.5 sacks, started 2 games played in 13 total. The year b4, his rookie year, Brown had 15 games, 1 start, 22 tackles and 2.5 sacks.
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Well he knows the saints D
He has worked with Rivera, and he can help coach up or replace the production of Brown. He may not be much better, but he has more value at this point. But if we don’t get him I won’t be sad.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girl's a good luck charm. -The Ramones
Cut the one Brown and sign the other. E. Brown has had every opportunity to make this team and to play well. Guess what: he has only proven he cannot hold down his side of the field. Cut him and let him find someplace else where he might be able to thrive.
Sign A. Brown as a backup in case the Kraken can’t quite shore up the other side of the line. Having A. Brown would instantly upgrade our DE corps IMO.
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You can never have enough pass rushers
and Brown as #3 DE would be great.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Aug 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed - he has had at least 2 sacks each year
and has averaged around 4. We could use that.
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If ya cannot stop the run ...
Nobody HAS to pass.
by criolle johnny on Aug 30, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
He would do better our team than Norwood. Plus Norwood is playing out of place he would be better suited as a LB.
Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..
Plus
Alex Brown is a RR guy from the Bears days. So you know more than likely we take a flier on him.
Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..
Report is they are one of 6 teams that have called him
CHI may be another, I would say based on cuts and injuries we have made some inquiries.
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Following the Dallas Cowboys’ decision to release veteran center Andre Gurode on Monday, the speculation ramped up quickly as to where the former All-Pro (and No. 57 on the NFL Network’s list of Top 100 Players of 2011) will land next.
According to ESPN’s John Clayton, six teams have already called, inquiring on his services. First up is the Seattle Seahawks, and there’s a familiar face on the staff: OL coach Tom Cable, with whom Gurode worked in college.
There’s no guarantee that Gurode will sign quickly, but given the fast response to his availability, it appears that he’ll have several options from which to choose.
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if otah can stay healthy we dont need gurode
cuz williams can RG but that is a big IF on otah…he just cant stay healthy. next draft we should take alshon jeffrey and go out and sign a top notch guard and get another tackle in the 2nd round
by clemsonPANTHERSnascarKBandBK on Aug 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think we should ever count on
Otah staying healthy.
It should be a given that at some point he’s going down to an injury.
Saints cut
The Saints have cut DeAndre McDaniel also.. I really liked this kid in college.
Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..
he went to Clemson!!!
that means he played a lot of football and instead of going to class. but i guess that applies to all college players…
by clemsonPANTHERSnascarKBandBK on Aug 30, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see it now
In the 2012 draft the Panthers have selected Matt Kalil, OT, USC
Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..
If we pick that high...Matt Kalil is a top-5 pick.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Good point.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
agreed
I say easy top 5 even tho I hope I’m wrong. Could seeus falling to about top 8 if cam figures this thing out and we don’t pick up any major fa’s. Still seeing middle of the road 1st rnd even if we fill all our holes and cam does well. In that case between 8-12th pick.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 30, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Whats the common denominator in those two losses? ;-)
Start Jimmeh!
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
But we need to be able to do more than throw RB screen passes that inflate QB ratings yet require no actual talent or arm-strength..
See, you do goad us. Don’t say you don’t.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
And FWIW, Oldy
I hope you know that comments like this are to be read in a playful, yet slightly ball-busting manor.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Not very often, no. I just like to tease occasionally. ;-)
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Then Jimmy would be the common denominator in 15 losses
He might could actually win the last game against the New Orleans 3rd stringers
by FF Companion on Aug 30, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you're supposed to build the lines first...
but Alshon Jeffery would be very very hard to pass up if we have a top five selection.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 31, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If that happens, I would move Otah to RG.
Then give Kalil a season at RT, then he and Gross could switch.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Can never have enough Kalil's on your O-Line
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Aug 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would watch it.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I hate reality shows, throw in a tape about Debbie and Dallas though and I'll get the popcorn
by FF Companion on Aug 30, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Who needs popcorn for a movie like that?
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Actually the thought of eating popcorn to Debbie Does Dallas makes me sick.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 30, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
but what if you are watching with a girl?
and cut a hole in the bottom of the bag?
After posting about porn....
porn and popcorn, posted pictures of fish, i see a disturbing trend in my posts today. I’m gonna just stop now.
by FF Companion on Aug 30, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with a little alliteration.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
My only thing is that he is a LT (if I am not mistaken). I don’t care to much for drafting a future star to not play at his natural position.
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Break him in at RT
Much like we did Gross. Slightly different situation but still.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Aug 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Still I don’t care for drafting a Top 5 guy just to put him at a position he isn’t used to playing at. If we had the pick to get him with, I would probably pull the trigger and get him. But I just don’t like drafting someone like him just to play him on the opposite side of the line.
Perhaps I am getting ahead of myself with this, but that is how I feel.
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If he is a better NFL LT than Gross (let's see how Gross does this season) then sure.
But plenty of rookies move from LT to RT or RT to RG for their first year. Its about getting your best 5 on the field.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
If he were there when we picked, we’d be foolish not to get him, even if we have to play him at RT for a year. He’s a future franchise LT…those don’t come around that often.
But, I wouldn’t trade up into the top 5 just to get him.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
To be fair, it does depend on where we pick.
I mean if we’re in the top 10, I’d be willing to throw our 1st and a 2nd or 4th to move up to get him. But if we’re picking 18th, the price would probably be too steep.
Although, if he stays healthy and projects like everyone thinks he will, the “next Joe Thomas” would be a nice fit on our OL.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I think the reality is, we could be picking 5.
I think it will be a fun season that’s full of hope and excitement, but we may struggle to close out games. I mean when we finished 7-9 in 2002 we were picking 11.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 30, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
If we’re picking 5th, and Matt Kalil is on the board, we have to take him.
I doubt he makes it to 5th though, seriously.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I have my doubts, too.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This all but assures that we are picking up some Oline help off the waiver wire
Since Zach WIlliams also went down with a torn ACL.
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I sure hope so...not confident we have all we need on the roster right now
I’d like to think we have the player on the roster but its only MacBern & Bryant Browning and Byron Bell to play RG at the moment. We’ve got to pick someone up
Amen
I am not sure if I speak for the majority here but I am not sold or comfortable with those players manning that position.
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by cedaghost on Aug 30, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Did we try Ziemba at RG?
Not that he can be the end all be all at the RG position, but it seems like that’s the position he’s gonna have to play if he wants to stay in the league. (And we used a draft pick on the kid, albeit a 7th rounder.)
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Hmm.
So whether or not Otah can stay healthy, Bernie is out and Garry Williams is at RG, huh.
Ziemba would be the primary backup at RT, I suppose.
Okay…as long as Bernie is not on the field I am okay with any combination (if we’re being honest).
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 30, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You are on a roll BW
Or are you always full of quick, witty replies?
@ BW
May not be the right space to bring this out but…
wanted you to know that I appreciate you and James watching out for our comments on the live thread during the CatScratchRadio podcasts. You two seem to be the ones that are talking live yet still manage to bring in points we send via text. I’m sure the others just get to concentrating on the discussions and forget those of us on the thread.
Once again, THANKS.
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
No problem man.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Usually the W in witty is replaced with an SH
I kid, I goat, I ewe.
by FF Companion on Aug 30, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot Rules 3 and 4:
Rule 3: Pay BW monthly CSR dues
Rule 4: If you fail to comply, then GTFO
Right BW? ;)
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right...
It’s his first day…didn’t want to overwhelm him.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Oh, my bad then… guess I just did.
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Yeah…you did. I think a suitable punishment would be for you to pay his dues, along with yours, for the month of September. ;-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Dammit, guess I’ll be living in a cardboard box now with these friggin dues. fml man
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Sorry...but I gotta buy the wine and cheese somehow.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
no you dont
I’m sure there will be more than enough to go around n be shared, knowing our fan base
lol
You’re going to fit in nicely.
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Thanks BW
I feel like i kinda know all of you from the fact i read every post and all comments lol.
It's official Kasay a Saint.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/44064/saints-make-it-official-on-kasay-brown
Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..
it seriously took me a while to figure out who BAMF was while reading the CSR comments....
by clemsonPANTHERSnascarKBandBK on Aug 30, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You might find this enjoyable...
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Kissing. Your. Sister.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Not that anyone in the Carolinas knows anything about that...
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
So the next time I think to myself, "Kasay: Chip Shot!"
It will actually be something other than an overwhelming feeling of confidence and assurance.
* sigh *
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
kasay has always been a saint
good luck kasay
by Penn Panther Fan on Aug 30, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Fi wasn't sent to IR right?
If so, that’s great news. I’m beyond tired of the Fullback shuffle.
We had a great fb
who i think could come in and not skip a beat
Hoov?
I love the guy, but he hasn’t played since we cut him. I dunno…
Does anyone know what he’s been up to lately?
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Hurney said it best when addressed with the issue
“He’s the kind of guy you have to protect from himself”
The guy needed to retire or he’d end up unable to move by age 50. They did the right thing in ending it for him.
by ppalm on Aug 30, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
public apperances
i saw him at a local outdoors store opening
Does anyone else see MacBern getting cut?
I dont see any value in him at all. He simply cannot play at this level and at this point he is taking up space we could use to acquire a person for at least one season.
At least that way, he'd have more time to kick back and hang out with his friends.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
by Newsinz on Aug 30, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lookin forward to the 2012 draft
Panthers select A. Glenn RG Georgia ! any takers kid seems like exactly what we need at the moment.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 30, 2011 8:01 PM EDT reply actions
Can he pass block lol?
They already have enough run blockers on the team. Matt Kalil wouldn’t be a bad option, longterm replacement for Gross. Heck move Otah to RG and Gross to RT along restructure his deal.
There aren't many run blockers on this team either.
Seriously the depth on the O-line is atrocious.
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