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Serendipity, thy name is 'cuts'

Reporting live from the 'moves that make too much sense' headquarters here in CSR, the Tennesee Titans and Dallas Cowboys have released DT Jovan Haye and G Andre Gurode respectively. Following a week where the Carolina Panthers weaknesses were exposed on the offensive an defensive lines it just so happens two players emerge who could play the role of stop-gap very nicely.

Undeniably the Panthers were waiting to see what kind of players hit the open market when cuts occurred, and judging from the talent we're seeing lately it's indicative of a league where all 32 teams are looking to get younger, or in the process of building with young talent. Carolina sit somewhere in the middle after starting the youth movement last year, but now due to injuries and lack of development they find themselves in need of talent in the trenches.

Andre Gurode is a five time pro-bowler whose skills are still of an NFL caliber. He was released when he became unwilling to restructure his contract with the Dallas Cowboys. Gurode may carry a price tag as hefty as his frame though, with numerous teams in the league needing offensive line help and Gurode is the best option available at this time. Should the Panthers sign him it would solidify a line that could be without Geoff Schwartz in 2011, presuming he will be placed on IR tomorrow due to his hip injury, a scenario which is becoming all the more likely.

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For Tennessee Titans DT Jovan Haye his NFL career could come full circle with a return to Carolina, the team that drafted him in 2005. While he is a smaller DT (6'2", 277lbs) he is a player with starting experience who could help hold the line at the under tackle spot and take a lot of the pressure off rookies Sione Fua and Terrell McClain. Haye's best season occurred in 2007 when he amassed 68 tackles and 6 sacks for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, while he hasn't played at that performance level again he is still more talented than anyone we have on the roster and the most ready to contribute.

It is important to note that both Gurode and Haye are 'vested veterans' as defined in the CBA, so rather than becoming waiver targets they are immediately paid, released and become unrestricted free agents, so Carolina would have competition.

What do you think Panthers fans? Should we go after Gurode and Haye? 

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Should the Panthers sign Andre Gurode and Jovan Haye if possible?
Yes, Gurode
227 votes
Yes, Haye
71 votes
Both... we need help!
449 votes
Neither... better options will be available.
97 votes

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I voted both...

I would kick the tires on both, but if I had to choose one over the other I’d pick Gurode…we need someone other than Turnstile at RG if Schwartz can’t play.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

I voted both also we need help on both sides of the ball.

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by Panther4Life!!! on Aug 29, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Gurode is willing to move back to guard......

I think he would be a good pick up. He will probably be too expensive though. Somebody in need of a center will probably pay him more.

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by ALAC on Aug 29, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Signing A C To Play G Isn't A Good Idea & Neither He Or Haye Will Sign For What They Are worth Now

Max amount they are worth now, and what the would have made (inside).

Gurode – $2 million ($5.5 million)
Haye – $1 million ($6.7 million over 2 years)

by PanthersRoar on Aug 29, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Gurode was a guard for years.

Football players are not so rigid.

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only difference between playing center and guard is if you play guard you don’t get the free massage 45 times a game.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Dems the perks of the trade!

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by Tarheel Soldier on Aug 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me. lmfao i remember back in HS they tried to put me in at C when our Center was hurt

and i originally play RG has soon has he stuck his hands underneath my butt i started dying lool

by Blacmomba on Aug 29, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pick up Gurode!

An offensive line with Gross, Wharton, Kalil, Gurode and Otah could open running lanes for Obama and Biden if they were in the backfield!
It would also give some of the younger linemen time to develop while giving BAMF time to truly evaluate their talent.

by criolle johnny on Aug 29, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I couldn't help but chuckle at this.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I usually don’t like political stuff in CSR, but that was funny.

Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!

by Newsinz on Aug 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking of making a baseball related pun.

This however will do just nicely. Lol!

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by Revshawn on Aug 29, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That reminds me of that OJ Simpson Joke.

He played for the Bills, but ran with the Broncos.

With a name like Lesbian I have to be awesome!

by Lesbian Montgomery on Aug 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Here comes Al Cowlings and his trusty white steed…”

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

", the man we believe to be Al Cowlings."

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by KaiserBromley on Aug 29, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very well played sir! Rec’d

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by Ivan459 on Aug 29, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haye you may be able to get on Veteran minimum.

Gurode is a different story. He didn’t re-negotiate his contract because he still thinks he is worth that kind of money. I say grab a less expensive option like his former teammate Leonard Davis. We need to keep our cash for CB’s and monster DT’s.

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by Lesbian Montgomery on Aug 29, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I do. Every year.

Because I don’t think he’s very good.

He crumbles faster under pressure than…than…well something that crumbles quickly under pressure.

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

something that crumbles quickly under pressure

You mean the creator of the “self-sack”, David Carr?

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by Ivan459 on Aug 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely would have used a D. Carr reference had it sprung into mind.

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not very good.

And, if he played on a team other than the Cowboys, he wouldn’t be hyped nearly as much.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

something that crumbles quickly under pressure

That wobbly wicker chair at Cracker Barrel when Duke Robinson wants some chicken n dumplins?

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good gracious.

I think I just crumbled.

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn. That is all.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?
I don’t know why, but I’m glad as hell it is

I know exactly why, and it’s the reason I’m not getting any work done for the next 15 minutes.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

15 minutes?

It’s gonna take you 15 minutes?

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been working on my endurance.

Mrs. Tater appreciates it.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

lol

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he has the nerve to blame the carpal tunnel on ‘work.’

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Work should thank me

I have developed the strongest wrists and forearms in the entire IT department

And yes, those are plural. Gotta be prepared. Never know when you might lose a limb.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I forgot about that episode.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

The context of this picture…

Quagmire just found out about the internet (and subsequently, internet porn)…

“What? I that crappy dial-up think that takes forever? What? I thought it was just for nerds, why didn’t you guys tell me!”

And this picture is Quagmire, roughly a week after being told about the internet.

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw, she doesnt even look real

She literally looks like a mannequin. I think it’s here facial expression… yeah…

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The same way you managed to type this comment

Eventually the underboob becomes less interesting, as do the finger in the waistline, as do the underboob, and the fingers in the wai….

… what was i saying?

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

15 minutes

Heck there goes the rest of my day.

Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..

by Lazy Dog on Aug 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol.........

I spontaneously cumbusted!

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by ALAC on Aug 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And ALAC... your sig has never been more appropriate

“Keep Pounding”

aye aye Cap’n!

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol......

Ain’t that the truth!

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by ALAC on Aug 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

GOOOO SOOONNNNERRRRSSSS!!!!

I hope she can come sooner then later…no pun intended

by ams6378 on Aug 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I get...

a USA chant!! This is one thing the Chinese don’t have better then we do…although I’m pretty sure it can be bought at a price

by ams6378 on Aug 29, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

They've actually claimed the rights to it, as part of a debt repayment program...

/sarcasm?

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really

do wish you were joking and not telling the truth…sad

by ams6378 on Aug 29, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally joking.

But the fact that this scenario is feasible is a bit depressing.

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear they're working on it.

Less math more boob study.

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by ALAC on Aug 29, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good idea...

At least we know the labor will be cheap.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well played.

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The front of my pants just crumbled

under pressure

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Aug 29, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have NEVER been impressed by Romo.

That is all.

Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
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by Newsinz on Aug 29, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty impressed with the snatch he hauls in.

Not too shabby for a big eared goofy looking joker. Not to impressed with his game though.

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by ALAC on Aug 29, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh...ok, he does that have much going for him, at least.

Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
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by Newsinz on Aug 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

They wouldn’t touch him with a 39 1/2 foot pole if he soled insurance.

That’s the frustrating part. (For me anyway….No, I don’t sell insurance.)

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if he souled insurance?

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by OldhamA on Aug 30, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then he would be Satan's agent

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by Tarheel Soldier on Aug 30, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be even cooler.

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by ERL on Aug 30, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Erm - he puts up a lot of points.

Although he turns the ball over a ton too, so that’s a big negative.

I’m very impressed he’s got to where he has from where he started – East Michigan was it? He’s a reasonable starting QB in the NFL. More than I can say for most QBs.

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by OldhamA on Aug 30, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I don't

I think the Cowboys offense does quite well this season. I hate the Cowboys!

 I have to laugh at all you Romo haters, you wouldn’t want Romo as your starting QB? I appreciate a guy that wasn’t drafted that can somehow hold his own is this league. I guess some of youtz thought Kurt Warner was overrated as well?

by jdough on Aug 29, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Kurt Warner won meaninful games.

And I would not want Romo as my QB. Last season, I’d have taken you as my QB. This year, I wouldn’t trade our QB for anyone not named Aaron Rodgers (if we’re talking about the long-term).

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks ERL!
Last season, I’d have taken you as my QB.

That means a lot! LOL

by jdough on Aug 29, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of those four, the only one I’d consider would be Freeman.

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by BW Smith on Aug 30, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good god. No wonder we argue so much.

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by OldhamA on Aug 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roethlisberger is getting too old to trade a 22 year old high-ceiling prospect for.

Flacco is extremely overrated and relies on Baltimore’s defense to hide his deficiencies.

Matt Ryan doesn’t scream “Top 3 QB” at me.

I’d take Freeman because he’s essentially Cam Newton with a few years experience under his belt.

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by BW Smith on Aug 30, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup'er

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by ERL on Aug 30, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously I can't agree with this.

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by OldhamA on Aug 30, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't rather have Jimmy Clausen?

Why…why…I’m stunned.

(JK. Yeah, we were talking about Cam, as you know.)

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by ERL on Aug 30, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not.

You’d trade Cam Newton for a bag of Twizzlers if someone offered them to you, and you probably don’t even like licorice.

But that’s alright…I’d do the same for Clausen. ;-)

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by BW Smith on Aug 30, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Black or red licorice?

This matters…lol.

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by ERL on Aug 30, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I actually like both, so either one would be fine with me.

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by BW Smith on Aug 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That works well because Carroll’s got an abundance of black…

If you’da said red he’d have asked that you pay for the greyhound fare.

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by ERL on Aug 30, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Ben is almost 30.
Flacco sucks.
Ryan is good, but I don’t think he’s getting that much better than he is right now.
We have a Robocop version of Josh Freeman already.

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by ERL on Aug 30, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roethlisberger is exceptional. He's got 5 good years in him.

Ryan is also very, very good. He’s a franchise QB.
Flacco isn’t as good as those two, but he’s still a very good NFL QB.

I’d actually also add Rivers to that list (the list of guys I’d trade Newton for in a heartbeat).

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by OldhamA on Aug 30, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I'd consider trading him for Rivers.

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by BW Smith on Aug 30, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be fine to think about a swap, in theory.

The practical, logistical application of said swap would be the hard part for me.

As you sign that card, you don’t know what you are giving away. You know what you are getting, yes.

But I think its the same thought process that occurred before the draft. The ’what happens if we pass, AND…"

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by ERL on Aug 30, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doing everything they can to get Gurode would be the smartest thing the team can do at this point. Even if the team knows they are likely not to win much this year, you have to do everything possible to keep your QB protected, especially a rookie. Gurode has to be a priority considering the shit right side we have on this O-line.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 29, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Both

Hurney needs to get this deal done ASAP!

by PaperMaker910 on Aug 29, 2011 1:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I voted neither, but....

That’s because of their current salaries. If they willing to take less, then I’d say let’s kick the tires. I also think better options will become available.

by Scrantsj on Aug 29, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's a combination of ability and price...

If you have a budget (which the Panthers do), then you have to consider how much players are going to cost relative to their ability.

Example: You and your wife are both hungry, and you have $20. You can either a) order one filet mignon and share it, or b) go to Bojangles, both eat a full meal, and have some money left over in case you need to stop and get gas on the way home. In both cases you get food. In the first, you may get a better meal, but you both get less because you have to share due to the high cost, but in the second you both get a good meal that’s just as filling and you have money left over in case of an emergency.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Filet Mignon is Filet Mignon, as long as it’s cooked Medium Rare.

Ok, not really…but it was the best I could come up with okay…STOP PRESSURING ME! :-)

/kidding

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

(James misses the analogy and makes this about steaks)

I bought filet a few weeks ago from the Fresh Market on sale… $16 for two grass-fed Angus filets….

Granted, I had to cook them… but yeah…. steak…

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

by James Dator on Aug 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Fresh Market is a great place to get meats

Unfortunately, since I’m south of Greensboro I have a long drive to get there. But their meats are excellent.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

and btw, I hate going out and getting steak now

I can always cook a steak for myself that ends up better tasting and cheaper.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly...

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I prefer cooking steak myself...

It’s the one thing that I can cook better than just about any restaurant. (I say just about any because if I go to a 5-star joint that charges $50+ for a steak, it’s going to be better than mine.) I am picky about how I like mine cooked, and hardly anyone can cook a steak medium rare. It’s a basic concept that most line cooks don’t possess.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most frustrating thing is that once you learn the basics it’s the simplest thing in the world….

My basic technique for a medium rare steak is as follows:
- Sear for 1:30 each side
- Put in oven for 3 minutes at 500 degrees

That’s it… simple as pie

by James Dator on Aug 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really is that simple.

It blows my mind that people who work in food service for a living can’t figure this out.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aye. The perfect steak isn't rocket science provided you have a grill that can give consistent heat

I like to press a little kosher salt and black pepper into each side of mine. I prefer medium, so i go about 2-3 minutes on each side. Then after it’s done, I put it on a plate, wrap in aluminum foil, and let it sit for about 10 minutes so it seals all those juices in.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The main thing that bothers me is people who flip it more than once

The only time I even move mine outside the single flip is if I want those nice diamond shape grill marks, and the just requires a 90 degree rotation.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't stand to watch someone butcher a steak like that. (no pun intended)

Don’t flip the steak more than once.

I don’t even do the diamond shaped grill marks most of the time because I don’t like moving my steaks at all.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Traeger Grills, No Need to Flip!

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by Lesbian Montgomery on Aug 29, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to flip it once…otherwise I feel like I didn’t cook it, lol.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to flip her as well

I can’t stand the idea that I didn’t work both side equally well.

by jdough on Aug 29, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the biggest problem most people have is easily solved...

Most people (I think) don’t let the steak rest at room temperature at least 15 minutes prior to cooking it. If you don’t do this key step, the steak is cold in the middle and won’t cook properly. You have to get the steak to room temperature before you can cook it. Also, you have to pat the steak dry before putting any salt/pepper/spices on it…damp steak will not sear correctly.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got it.

First official CSR cookout needs to be a bring your own steak day. We just need someone with a decent size grill. Sounds like we have plenty of good BBQ’ers!

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sign me up!

That would be freaking awesome.

Bring your own steak, and bring your own beer.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

A thousand times yes.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're in.

(You were in anyway, but you get the point.)

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I meant to say tailgate.

Either one works, just seems we’d have a better crowd if we did it on a game day.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats because the moisture on the outside starts

To immedately boil. And while that may not affectthe whole thing it toughens the outside of the steak. Mmmmm steak!

by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I found a South African seasoning blend at Trader Joes

I put a little of that and some smoked salt on it.

Mmmm! Mm Mm Mm! Mmmmmmmmm! Mmm Mmm!

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 29, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Did you say Steak?"

FYI:
I interpreted the “Mmmm….” first as you saying it was yummers.
Second, it made me think about that scene from What About Bob.
Lastly, it reminded me of the dialog (if you will) between Herbert from Family Guy and his dog.

Dunno why, just though I’d share that with you in hopes that it might positively affect your day. Lol.

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that scene in What About Bob.

Of course, I love practically every scene in What About Bob, but that’s beside the point.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol I figure if my dog could talk

He’d just say mmm the whole time he was eating. It would be so annoying.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 29, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

and the rest of the time he would just tell you to feed him…

“Feed mehhh!”

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man did I ever pick the wrong delay to delay my lunch break.

I’m outta here.

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by Newsinz on Aug 29, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is very important...

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're talking about my analogy here...the BoBerrys are implied.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was always upset

That the Panthers medical staff never figured out what was wrong with Haye to begin with… and then just cut him.

by docnolz on Aug 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

It was what it was.

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by Newsinz on Aug 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little facts about both players.

Javon Haye – Aside from his athletic achievements, he also performed well academically, graduating with a 4.5 grade point average.

Andre Gurode – Gurode allowed just 7.5 sacks in 2,653 plays over three-plus years as a starter for the Buffaloes at guard and center. In 2003, Bill Parcells was hired as the Cowboys head coach and decided that Gurode’s best position was at guard.

Gurode started 15 games at guard in 2003 and 13 games in 2004 with mixed results, before getting benched for the final two games.

At the start of the 2005 season, Parcells accepted he made a misjudgment by moving Gurode to guard and switched him back to center.

Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..

by Lazy Dog on Aug 29, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

But you said "college"......

just kidding

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps it was his HS GPA?

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, that's what it was.

That’s the problem with people selectively copying and pasting info from Wikipedia.

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by ALAC on Aug 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

o-line

This could be awesome, it night also be disappointing…. Don’t think the team will go for these options.

by LimeyPanther on Aug 29, 2011 2:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Square pegs, round holes

Gurode is an old hat who can play center and thus will command a higher salary from center-deprived teams. Picking him up at guard would put us in the running for highest-paid offensive line in the league without any depth to show for it. Being that we have a solid starter in the making out with injury, we need a serviceable starter, not a star, as a replacement. If we plugged every hole with stars we’d end up with the same situation at a later date with diff positions, but no money to fix it.

Haye is an interesting prospect as a pass-rushing DT, but that’s it: he’s too small to command a lot of attention and tie up blocks for the run game & blitzes. All we need is someone to stuff the run well to create 3rd-and-longs so we can unleash our LBs on those plays. He simlpy doesn’t fit what we’re lacking.

by ppalm on Aug 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Who?
Being that we have a solid starter in the making out with injury

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by ALAC on Aug 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tank Tyler anyone?

He was cut today by the Bears.

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by Lazy Dog on Aug 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah sure, maybe he'll make our team this time around.

/kidding

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol.........

But yea, bring his ass in. I’m up in arms about the whole damn thing. I don’t know what to do, but something’s got to be done.

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by ALAC on Aug 29, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe

That Tank is alot better than some of the guys we have now.

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by Lazy Dog on Aug 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what we thought last year as well unfortunately...

and then he “tanked” out in the preseason, which at least to me was disappointing cause I thought he’d be a great little find for our team.

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by Tomthehomer on Aug 29, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vernon Gholston was cut

He obviously is terrible though. And Greg Hardy is better anyway

by TS BOBCAT on Aug 29, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. That's pretty much the ole nail.

There goes the whole ‘well maybe he just can’t play OLB in a 3-4, and is strictly a 4-3 guy?’

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that theory was bunk in the first place lol....

especially when he started whining about the Jets “not giving him an opportunity”; I’m sorry, but you’re a high first round pick, and you can’t secure significant playing time in 4 years worth of football? BUSTTTTTTT

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by Tomthehomer on Aug 29, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Now there is no doubt.

Dude just can’t get off a block.

Classic case of “Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.”

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can...

always plug up our offensive line with a FA thats been out for a while now, and he has the size and the weight to plug that hole.. Jarmacus Russel

by ams6378 on Aug 29, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

haha

this actually made me laugh

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by SouthernPanther on Aug 29, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, well he’s a butt plug tho.

by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 29, 2011 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Something tells me what the FO thinks they got what they need in Balmer

So we might not still be in the market at DT unless there really is a game changer that hits the market. Call me crazy, but i think Balmer has more upside than Haye. Let’s just hope he truly has just been playing out of position.

I think Gurode would be an excellent fit, but the only ones who can say for sure are those close to the Schwartz situation. We CANNOT enter the regular season with Turnstile as a starter. We HAVE to get someone else in there. That said, we can’t afford to throw the farm behind Gurode either. If we can get him at around $3m this season we should jump on it, but I don’t know if he will be amicable to that number.

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by Tater596 on Aug 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Offensive line is just like a chain

if just one chain is weak, it breaks, and doesn’t work.

Gross is good, Wharton is good, Kalil is very good, MacBern SUCKS, Otah is good.

Schwartz would have solidified this line, but now that he is out we have to get a viable person to take his spot. I really hope they sign Gurode.

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by SouthernPanther on Aug 29, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Otah doesn't play.

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by OldhamA on Aug 30, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said no to both

Gurode wants to much $$
Haye is to small to be the plug we want/need
There’s gonna be alot more cuts to come so lets see who else is coming.

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by BEVE on Aug 29, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah.

And the content in said articles is rarely more than rumor and conjecture. The only reason I have access is b/c a family member bought me a 2 year subscription to the magazine, which comes with insider access.

Long story short: Don’t do it.

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by ERL on Aug 29, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I second the "don't do it" message...

I made the mistake of dropping money on the magazine to get the insider access. It’s garbage.

Plus, the magazine is so damn big that it rips apart when you take it out of the mail box, and it’s almost impossible to read while taking a shit.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%.

I got the magazine when it first came out. It was better than SI since it came out every two weeks, but that’s not saying much. Now, it doesn’t even matter. No printed sports publication can keep up with the internet. ESPN can suck a big one. Hell, they are usually the last ones to actually “break” news anyway.

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by ALAC on Aug 29, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still get SI because I like it...

[looks around for wife]

And because of the Swimsuit issue. I know I can go to the store and buy it, but nothing beats opening the mailbox and having Brooklyn Decker’s boobies greeting you as you gather the mail.

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by BW Smith on Aug 29, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I second all that has been said about insider

All the stuff on there is right off Twitter, and some of it is just pure BS. I actually saw an article on there a while ago that named Godfrey a CB instead of S. How the hell do you put that on there as a professional?

Total waste of money.

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by manu4t on Aug 29, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not just you....

that’s exactly what they are doing. They can go to hell.

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by ALAC on Aug 29, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish we woulda gotten Brodrick Bunkley

by ieatcrayons on Aug 29, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

he wasn’t hurt when he was traded so either way it doesn’t change the face he would have been a nice pick up

by ieatcrayons on Aug 30, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jerry Hughes

Looks like Hughes may be on the bubble in Indy. Would love to have this kid if it’s true.

Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..

by Lazy Dog on Aug 29, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Hughes reminds me too much of Brown (and Norwood)

I like the size of CJ and Hardy…Better against the run…

by kittylover on Aug 29, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st Roster Forced Trade, Seahawks CB Kelly Jennings (5-11, 180) For Bengals DT Clinton McDonald (6-2, 297, 4.83-40)

It’s funny that I just posted 2 days or so ago that Jennings was available, and a better option than trading a draft pick for Hanson. Though I do like McDonald, except for around 4 games at the end of last season, he’s spent 2 years on the Bengals Practice Squad.

by PanthersRoar on Aug 29, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Dunno that we are in the running for Hanson any more - his price got higher

when AZ lost Toler to an ACL – they are actually thinner than we are at CB right now. Also STL is in the mix for him. We need him but we dont need to overpay.

I think Gurode would be better than Haye as a pickup if we can get him to play Guard. Haye is more of a pass rusher, we need someone big to suck up space and plug the run.

But potentially they both could help.

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by manu4t on Aug 29, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Gurode could be a nice pick-up, but he is gonna want to get paid more than i'm willing to spend...

I see him going to Washington or Philly…Haye is too small, and I think Balmer is a much better fit for what we need…

by kittylover on Aug 29, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed on Hay, too small and he is a pass rusher, we need a run stopper.

Gurode might be willing to renegotiate and be cap friendly to us. We could use his size at G

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by manu4t on Aug 29, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade for Hanson ALREADY!!!!

We need veteren corner depth if anything else. Plus the learning curve want be that long since he already knows the system. We only have a couple of weeks till the reel bullets fly. This makes so much sense right now. I also believe we also will get another corner off the final cuts cause they will have a little more talent than the ones getting cut now. Shit Gamble has played one game and already hurt his hand. He also got smoked by a rookie badly. I would not want to go into the season with everyone we have now at CB just food for thought.

by Smokewagon on Aug 29, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't see all the Hanson love

He is not an upgrade over what we already have…If we can get our D-line playing at a higher level, I honestly think our secondary will look much, much better…

by kittylover on Aug 29, 2011 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

I think we need a taller CB

by rscott94 on Aug 29, 2011 9:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nate Jones just got released from DEN

He is taller, but not much, probably better for the nickel but they might give him a look for depth purposes. Cheaper than Hanson and probably a better fit.

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