I've got good news, and I've got bad news from Saturday practice
Let me see, is it better to start with the good or the bad? Probably be the bad, so folks end on a positive note. So here goes.
According to Steve Reed, "Schwartz hip injury may be serious." He didn't really elaborate, other than to say that the injury is "starting to look like a concern," and he didn't list Schwartz among the current players expected to be back for game one.
This, to me, is a very troublesome turn of events. MacBurn'd is just not getting it done (understatement) at RG. It's late in the preseason to be shuffling guys around on the O-Line, but should we think about moving Wharton to RG and MacBurn'd to LG, where he played a bit better last season? Maybe a better solution would be to bring back an old friend. More after the jump.
Geoff Hangartner is on the bubble in Buffalo. He's a veteran that can play center or either guard slot, and proved it many times as a valuable backup for the Panthers prior to his release in '09. If he gets cut, I would hope we're all over it like stink on shite. It's either grab a veteran or hope either Duke or Bell can fill the void.
Ready for the Good News?
Otah making strides in return from knee injury
By Steve Reed
Ron Rivera said he was pleased with the practice performance of RT Jeff Otah, who is still coming back from a knee injury. "He looked good today and took several reps with the (starters)," Rivera said. "In fact, I think he did more than we expected him to. He's had a few good weeks of rehab and strengthening up that leg." The big question now is whether Otah will experience more swelling in his knee after a good practice.
We need the Incredible Hulk (Otah) back on the field smashing open holes for double trouble. Fingers and toes are crossed that he quickly gets back to being the dominating RT he's shown to be in the far too distant past.
More Good News? I try to please.
Hardy returns to practice
By Steve Reed
The Panthers had RDE Greg Hardy (skin abrasions/foot) back on the field Saturday running with the first-team defense. Hardy could have played Thursday night vs. Cincinnati but the team held him out as a precautionary measure.
Obviously, we need the Kracken to break out this season, and I think he will. The fact that he's ready to go and is practicing is great news. At least his injuries weren't the kind that linger.
And finally, this (from the same source):
... the team is still hoping Beason, Martin and Fiammetta will be ready for the season opener.
To start the season relatively healthy would be great... to end it still relatively healthy would be fandamntastic.
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by Swamp Panther on Aug 27, 2011 7:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
yeah.
well the time show you , but im on top..
by Panthersfan1968 on Aug 27, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe not, it showed me as the first post then you but i see the light now :(
by Panthersfan1968 on Aug 27, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that, and because they're stupid.
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by Thee Steve Johnson on Aug 27, 2011 11:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Um because...
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 29, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Just stop with that mularkey
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by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully not next time
Nor ever.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I thinnk we will be ok this year.
Barring any big time injuries, this team will gell and work like a well oiled clock
We have to many weapons to not be successful on the field. Do we have problems ..yes but i think as the season goes on they will fix themselves
by Panthersfan1968 on Aug 27, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
Schwartz is a fairly big time injury.
That’s our starting RG, and a pretty good one, down with MacBern as his back-up. I’m worried.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hangartner would be a tremendous addition.
Why not look over our bubble roster and see if anyone might look like a fit in Buffalo. Make the trade and both have a win – win.
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
Can G?H make the deep snaps?
If so, bring him home!
by criolle johnny on Aug 27, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I really doubt we carry Bernadeau into the season. He has by far been the weakest link whenever he is on the O-line. You can easily tell when he is in there, because everything sucks in terms of both pass and run blocking.
Hangartner would be a decent pick up, but I will hold out hope that some team will cut a vet RG that is pretty good that we can sign. I cannot imagine BAMF and Company keeping Bern on the roster.
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idk man,
At this point I think the must believe they don’t have any better options or someone else would be running with the 1st team. I think bell has stepped up well but idk about his injury situation. Anyone else have any definitive info on that? I coulda sworn I saw somthing about him and IR.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2011 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well that is why I said a vet RG from cuts would probably be the answer. I don’t think anyone on the roster other than Schwartz is the answer there.
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Do ya think they will go for the stop gap measure or someone they can really work with that has lots potential but may be young. I want to see good football this year but I would rather make a new dynasty and if u dnt have guys that will be around a while that won’t happen.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2011 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, we still have Schwartz, so it isn’t as if there is nobody there. My guess is if Schwartz’s injury is going to be prolonged and serious, we will try and sign the best RG we can find out there. I’ll even wager will will be in the market for a RG simply due to the fact that I don’t think Bern will last through cuts.
The guy just isn’t a good O-lineman.
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I guess we can only hope to be able to find someone with some decent abiility. Or atleast someone we can fine tune but has the natural talent.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2011 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hangartner Would Certainly Be An Improvement At Backup C Over Bernadeau, But As A 6 Year Vet He's Not Subject To Waivers
The Panthers would have to out bid other teams for Hangartner, and then he still might chose a team with an open starting job. The Bills have a huge hole at OT, so maybe they would trade him for Gary Williams, or Otah, or maybe for Bernadeau and Zeimba or Bell.
by PanthersRoar on Aug 27, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hangartner for Otah?
We’ll file that one under “hell no”.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mr. Malingerer (Otah) Has Little Trade Value After Riding IR For The Last Year & A Half
Naturally the Panthers wouldn’t trade Otah straight up for Hangartner, but if they can get Otah healthy enough to pass a physical they need to trade him. So far this year for Otah looks like a replay of last season. Otah’s playing the day to day thing again prevent the panthers from placing him on IR, because a player must be at risk of missing at least 6 weeks. The Panthers can’t afford to waste a roster spot on Otah till almost midseason again this season before placing him on IR. I wish the Panthers could just tell him that if he’s not ready by game 1, then he’s going on IR, and the same goes for next year. Then ask him if he thinks he will get a new contract after 3 !/2 years on IR.
The Panthers need a shake up like Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells used to do, cut a player just to put fear of losing their jobs into the others, and the bigger name the better. An average player is better than a great one who never plays. Several teams have big problems on their O-Line, and would be willing to take a risk like Otah. The Panthers might only get a 3rd round pick, and it might even be a conditional pick, but Otah not playing is a cancer on the team, and it needs to be cut out..
by PanthersRoar on Aug 28, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If he has little trade value, why would you trade him?
Otah’s value when healthy is huge. You said they might “only” get a third rounder for him, but at this point I think even that is a huge reach. Realistically, they’d be lucky to get a 5th rounder for him. Lets be real, he took a full season off and STILL may not be healthy.
Also, if you can’t get a good return for a trade, then why not wait and hope he can get healthy. I get that he’s a liability at this point, but with how low his trade value is, and how high his potential is, I see him as a guy you hope for as long as possible before just cutting when you give up hope.
Otah is a roster space and a few million bucks at worst
At best he is a dominant tackle in the NFL. We will probably give him the Stewart treatment this year. Practice when you want, dominate on game day. If his knee doesn’t get near 100% by the end of his rookie contract, then we have a tough decision to make. Until then he will stay on the team.
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Pretty much summed up how I feel.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Hardy
For us to be competitive Hardy must have a break out year. The way our d line has played the last 2 games leaves way more questions than answers. I hope Hardy is one answer to our d line woes.
Hangartner would be an improvement over MacBurn. But I dont know that he is the solution to the problem. I see him as more of a stop gap measure.
Failure to prepare is preparing to fail.
We are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, excellence is not an act, but a habit.
Without good dt play
both Hardy and CJ will get double team on a consistent basis. Hope Balmer or whatever his name is will play better here.
Hardy, Balmer, Fua, and Johnson
Might make a respectable front. Now we need a nickname.
by criolle johnny on Aug 27, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Not until they muddy up some opposing QB jerseys
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
One of them has proven they can do anything given full-time duty.
Until everyone else steps up, our front four is horrible.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Health
I saw were Pat Williams is still out there. I have to assume he is just “out of gas”. if he had some still in the tank we should see if he can help with the DL.
Hardy,,,,,YEP!!! Put the “dancing bear” E Brown on the end of the bench!!!!!!! That is the second worse pick in the past 3 years!!!
Forgive me if I'm wrong
But I thought McClain was the “Dancing Bear”?
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You're correct...
McClain is the Dancing Bear.
Brown is the Can’t Sack Cyclone.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Or Sackless Cyclone, whichever works best for you. ;-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
How about Bust?
I hate it for the kid, but that’s what it looks like to me.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The Anti-Hurricane
He spins and spins, but creates no havoc.
by FF Companion on Aug 27, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Spin-Cycle?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I'm going to put my bid in for "Tropical Depression"
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I think you are the winner
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Tornadoes cause damage...so I'd say no. :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Sigh, I guess you're right
The Dizzy Disaster?
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I think Brown has just been a fart in the wind.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
he doesnt deserve a nickname
How about we refer to him as fat useless shit defensive tackle?
by LimeyPanther on Aug 28, 2011 9:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, he's certainly not fat.
And he’s an end, not a tackle.
I know…semantics.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
ah
Well spotted newsinz, you saw through my obvious deliberate mistake. Lol, I meant to say ‘lineman’. But he is fat, fatter than me anyway.
by LimeyPanther on Aug 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I applaud you, sir
for you apparently have the body of an Adonis.
(Either that, or you’re rail thin.)
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
i'll be honest
I aint no adonis, I’m a skinny ass white boy
by LimeyPanther on Aug 28, 2011 5:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa… you can’t take that name away from our states NHL team man that’s just wrong!
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The "Carolina Tropical Depressions"?
I can’t say that rings a bell.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Apparently you've never seen them play...
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by BW Smith on Aug 27, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I actually follow them a bit, although not nearly as closely as the Panthers or the Bobcats. It definitely was depressing watching them blow a playoff shot when all they had to do was win their final two games.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Yeah...
I’m not a huge hockey fan (growing up where the only ice I see is in my freezer when I want a glass of sweet tea will do that to you), but I do like to root for the Canes to do well, and I like to watch them occasionally. I prefer to go see the SC Stingrays play since they’re only 45 minutes away from my house and I can take my wife and son for less than $30.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
but remember, they won the stanly cup!
What was it ’06?
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2011 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it sad that the only pro championship the Carolinas has ever seen is in Hockey?
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I always said my girls a good luck charm.
They won the only pro sports championship the state has ever seen
I don’t watch hockey, but alas I heard we won the Stanley Cup and didn’t even know we had had a team, they may suck right now, I don’t know. At least they have won a championship, the Boobcats never will, and the Panthers have serious problems on both lines to fix before even thinking about it, lol.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
Fun Facts: The Hurricanes won the SC the year after the 04-05 NHL Lockout. They were all pegged as one of the worst teams in the NHL and ended up finishing 2nd in their conference and, as previously mentioned, won the Cup.
Wonder if lightning will strike twice… for the Panthers I mean.
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I like Sackless Cyclone
For other implications.
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 29, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHHAHA
"You mad cuz I'm stylin on you...."
by Panther down South on Aug 27, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Pat Williams (6-3, 317) Is Still A Good Run Stopper At Age 38, But No Team Will Likely Sign Him Until After The 1st Game
That’s because as a veteran, if he’s on the opening day roster then his whole 2011 salary becomes guaranteed in full. Another reason he hasn’t signed may be that he’s had a 4 game suspension hanging over his head from the starcaps case, but the suspension was dropped from 4 to 2 weeks a few days back. The biggest obstacle to his signing with the Panthers might be not wanting to play for the worst team in the NFL last season, he probably only wants to play for a likely playoff team.
by PanthersRoar on Aug 27, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is it...
the Lions who use to be the laughing stock of the league for poor draft decisions (back to back to back WRs in draft) now look better then we do? This team has a mixture of old and new talent and the defense is killer..They have addressed there issues and got better at it..we put someone other teams cast off on ours and address positions that we’re top heavy at?
Lions
IMO I hope we dont have to go their route to get better!! I am glad to see them getting better but look how long it took 10 years or more of 4 to 6 wins! I don’t want the Panthers to get good that way. Talk about their back to back to back WR drafts….How is would this look for the Cats
2010……QB Jimmy C
2011……QB Cam N
2012……QB A Luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just saying…I hope we have our QB for the next 10 or so years, but you never know!!
This needs to stop
1. No one knows what Luck will even do this season (See also Locker, Jake)
2. In 2012 we need a lineman, not a QB
3. At least wait until late in the season to start this crap, if at all
This has been a public service announcement
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
by hyphenate on Aug 27, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Seriously people, please, please stop mentioning neckbeard.
also this talk of luck has left with an irrational hatred of him
I can’t explain, but I think it might have something to do with all the idiots who keep saying we are going to draft him. What a load of cock, how about you look at our major issues on both sides of the line, cb, wr…. The list goes on…. Before you blame cam for losing a couple of pre-season games. Wait…. We’ve lost two pre-season games??! oh my god this is terrible… Sack Bamf at once, newtons a massive bust, JR is an old fool with no clue whose eaten too many boberries. JESUS people. Give the team a chance
by LimeyPanther on Aug 28, 2011 9:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have rules as to when I use this, and you sir just triggered one of the rules.
Go away.
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by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember the last time Detroit looked really good in the preseason?
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will say this now!!! I was asked if I had a $1000 bucks to put down on a team to win the Super Bowl……I said the Lions….I think the odds for them were around 40 to 1.. The Panthers……..I think 150 to 1!!!
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- Ricky Bobby's Dad
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by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Millen is gone. Worst GM ever.
by JStewart28 on Aug 27, 2011 11:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe not the best place to post this
And I’m not trying to hijack the thread into another to Cam or not to Cam debates but just wanted to make a post. So without further ado
cmp att yds pct yds td int rtg
Matt Ryan(notes) 7 16 79 43.8 4.9 0 1 33.1
That is Ryan’s current stat line from his game against Pittsburg. 0 rush yds as well. Please if you’re giving up on Cam please be a little rational. A 4th year good-great qb struggles too and he has had several years in the same system.
But sperk, the sky is falling!
Don’t you know how important preseason games are?! Rabble rabble rabble.
by Swamp Panther on Aug 27, 2011 8:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's a few decent QBs with worse preseason ratings than Cam
Michael Vick (45.9)
Andy Dalton (56.4; I’m just adding him because of all the talk about Dalton “out-dueling” Cam this past Thursday)
David Garrard (50.3)
And guess who’s number uno, at least once you disregard the minimum requirement of at least 14 passes thrown per game?
DEREK ANDERSON (156.2). That is just too awesome.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Thank about this
JC is “hurt”…right? What if this is a way to save face and make everyone look good…Here me out. Cam struggles in this game or just doesn’t get better by much. Derek A comes in say mid second quarter and has a good game. Is he the started for game 1?
Sure????
I didn’t think so until I read JC has a hurt knee and thigh. Just saying. I want Cam in there, but if DA can come in and give Cam a little time to work. Look…Lets face it…..The Cats are NOT making a run at the SUPER BOWL…I want to see it, but I want to make sure our future QB does not get the David Carr sickness…if you know what I mean.
I know what you're trying to say
but there’s no point in playing Anderson. He’s not the future of this team, and Clausen isn’t seriously hurt
Panther Pride 'till I die.
Agree....some what
I know what you mean. I am really torn on what I think is best for Cam and the Panthers. Do we see if DA can be a starter to get Cam use to this Pro Game. I worry for one reason. I think we forget that even though Cam was GREAT at AU….can,t even write it!!! The other school in ALABAMA!!. He played 14 games at the FBS level!!! and now 3 at the PRO.
Unless Cam is in serious danger of being injured there is no reason not to start him
Winning 8 games with DA is worth less than winning 6 with Cam. Cam needs the reps, and at this point, the extra losses just get us a better draft pick to help on the line.
Any coach who starts DA on day one should be fired.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girls a good luck charm.
If DA gives us the best option to win, then we should start him.
True, he’s not the future of the QB position here, but we may not have even a “present,” right now who could do any better.
I understand the concept of getting the youngin’ reps in a game so he can learn (although it works half the time, at best). I also know feeding a rookie QB to the dogs behind a suspect line, in an offensive scheme no one (other than Naanee and Anderson) really knows is a recipe for disaster more than not.
Unless DA will take us into the play offs there is absolutely no reason he should see the field on gameday.
How will 8 wins be better than 6 if they delay Cam’s progress? Except for placating shortsighted fans, all it does is give us a worse spot to draft, and that hurts us. If DA plays, it is actually a negative for the team.
Why do you want to hurt the team?
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girls a good luck charm.
There are ABSOLUTELY reasons to consider starting Anderson.
I don’t think it will or should happen but to say there is no reason is absurd. The coaching staff would not be doing their due diligence if they failed to consider all options.
If the coaching staff feels that Newton is being overwhelmed by the playbook, the physical punishment, the arena (ie: speed, pressure, leadership demands, etc), or any other reason they should consider a slow transition to Newton as starting QB.
Personally, I don’t see these as issues but neither you or I have the access or familiarity to the issue to make a definitive call.
To call someone out saying they want to hurt the team because they don’t agree with you on a subject of which there is no definitive answer just tightens my jaw. Please refrain from the hyperbole.
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
Holy crap! No more Hyperbole on these message boards. NOOOOO!
I was replying to the idea that if DA gives us the best chance to win than he should start. That is a ridiculous idea unless
DA will take us into the play offsI will again spell it out for you since you did not actually give a single counterpoint to the points I made.
1. Cam needs reps to develop. Starting DA takes those reps away. That would stunt Cam’s development. That is bad for the team.
2. DA may win a few more games for us, but so what? Again, if we are not in the playoffs than all we are doing is moving farther back in the draft. We have our first 2 round picks for the first time in years, and if you think it is a good idea to threaten the position of those picks so we can be 8 and 8 rather than 6 and 10, you hold a belief that would hurt the team.
3. To offer a counter point to the only salient point you made:
If the coaching staff feels that Newton is being overwhelmed by the playbook, the physical punishment, the arena (ie: speed, pressure, leadership demands, etc), or any other reason they should consider a slow transition to Newton as starting QB.If anyone other than Cam should start, it should be Clausen, the other guy we need to develop and get some value out of. Letting potential trade bait rot on the bench for a few worthless wins would hurt the team.
So if you believe the coaches should trade Cam or Jimmy’s development and the teams draft positions for a few worthless wins under DA, you are short sighted and want to hurt the team.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girls a good luck charm.
In response to...
I will again spell it out for you since you did not actually give a single counterpoint to the points I made.
This discourse was not in response to your opinions (not points). This was in response to your quotes of “absolute” righteousness and the statement that if one has a different opinion that they want to hurt the team. Additionally, you did not respond to my point but in fact reitterated your unyielding opinion with the closing…
So if you believe the coaches should trade Cam or Jimmy’s development and the teams draft positions for a few worthless wins under DA, you are short sighted and want to hurt the team.
The important part of this discussion is I am willing to admit that your insights may be correct, whereas you, in your apparent infallibility, discount others opinions as “short sighted” and indicate a willingness “to hurt the team”.
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
You're right, I do discount the idea of starting DA for a couple of extra wins
It is reactionary and short sighted.Cam is the future of this team and has shown that he is not:
being overwhelmed by the playbook, the physical punishment, the arena (ie: speed, pressure, leadership demands, etc)And again, the point that I was arguing against was that DA should start if he gives us the best chance to win. I do see it as the same kind of statement as, “Jerry Richardson wants to move the team to LA because he isn’t spending money.”
If I offended, I am sorry. The original statement asking why he wanted to hurt the team was a joke. But the underlying point of trading future gains for immediate gratification was meant. As we have many needs to fill, I do not believe that we are better served by eliminating opportunities to fill those needs by falling farther down the draft.
I have had this discussion with others. My expectations for this team are low enough that I would rather lose games this year and train up our guys, rather than win games and cost them development.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girls a good luck charm.
I guess I'm not good at getting myself understood.
Saying there was “absolutely” no way Derek Anderson should see the field overstated an opinion but wouldn’t normally merit comment. I gave a few reasons as to why the coaching staff may look at DA only since I was going to address another portion of your post.
The major issue with your post was saying anyone disagreeing with your assessment was looking to hurt the team. I see from your response that this was a joke. I suspect my being older makes it a little harder for me to detect the nuances of text written humor. I’m confident we both feel few if any fans on this site have a desire to hurt the Panthers team or organization. My only aim was to say different opinions should be given a modicum of respect and I felt the statement on wanting to hurt the team didn’t meet that criteria.
I hope this clears the air and makes me better understood.
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
Absolutey! : )
BTW, I have noted your posts before and by a wide margin I tend to agree with you. This was just a thing. We are very cool by me.
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
I know not a viable anti-Anderson argument
But I live in AZ and I have tickets to the game and honestly I will be disappointed if I don’t get to see Newton.
I live in AZ as well...
…and I’ll be at the game as well! I saw DA on accident last year. I don’t wish to see it again.
"Resistance is NOT futile... It's voltage divided by current." -Me
by SwankTheTank on Aug 27, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
lol...you make me regret even joking about the preseason QB rankings
I have NOTHING at all against Anderson. Not a single thing. But Cam is our starter.
Also, as bad as our O-Line has looked at times, there is no way in hell they’re as bad as that Houston line that allowed Carr to get sacked SEVENTY SIX times (!) his rookie season. Furthermore, Cam is a petrified redwood, and will not be an easy target for blitzers to bring down.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I think you only added fire to the ridiculous DA fire, sadly.
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by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oniel Cousins
Became available today.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34915/oniel-cousins
Yeah, I K-N-O-W the cats are looking at DT and CB, but a guard/tackle with a few years experience would a nice edition.
He fits the RivERA mold … young, talented and needs a LOT of coaching. He played out of position for a couple of years. IF he’s coachable he might be valuable addition.
Does anyone know what his salary cap hit would be?
No QB is going to be able to succeed with a constantly collapsing pocket...
…in a way I am glad we do have Cam for this scenario, even if I would have done things differently and had Pickles suffer a thousand deaths sacks over this year.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
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Roll Tide.
Six days, my friend. Six glorious days.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
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by AlabamaJammer on Aug 28, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't give up ...
I think ALOT of people are giving up on Newton WAYYYYYY before they should. If you knew me you would know how weird that is coming from me. Prior to the draft I believed that we should have drafted PP#7 or AJ and was not a big fan of Newton at all. HOWEVER !!!! I have tried to pay close attention to Cam’s poise in the pocket and his attitude. His teammates seem to respond well to him and he has displayed good leadership skills so far. According to the articles I have read he works hard at learning the plays and earning his teams respect (ie..staying after practice to work with his WR’s). You can’t teach leadership and I’ve been impressed so far with how he has handle everything. With that being said he still has a long way to go before he is even a good QB but I believe that is simply a matter of time. So have faith my fellow Panther fans :)
Anybody giving up on Newton already just isn't that intelligent.
Not to be rude to anyone, but that’s all there is to it. If you’ve given up on Cam, then you have no idea what the hell you’re talking about.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am a CAM backer...but......
Agree….some what
I know what you mean. I am really torn on what I think is best for Cam and the Panthers. Do we see if DA can be a starter to get Cam use to this Pro Game. I worry for one reason. I think we forget that even though Cam was GREAT at AU….can,t even write it!!! The other school in ALABAMA!!. He played 14 games at the FBS level!!! and now 3 at the PRO.
No we don't see if Anderson can be a starter
Because there’s plenty of film showing that he can’t be. Cam Newton as a rookie isn’t going to be any worse than Anderson as a passer and adds a rushing threat. Plus it’ll be crucial to his development to actually see NFL defenses.
Think of him as Josh Freeman circa ’09. This year is to learn, next year is to tear the league a new one.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes and No...IMO
Josh had 2 more years of big time CF under his belt. Cam is one freaking tough young man mental and physical. He proved the Mental part with what he went through at A….I can’t write it!!!!! ROLL TIDE!!!! Better!! We see the phyiscal side. I just don’t want to see him get brain dead out there like I have seen other young QB’s do.
At Auburn?
heh heh
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couldn't resist
Thanks for being a good sport about it!
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
…where’s your card.
/glares at another Bama fan
//revokes his pass to my tailgate festivities
///looks to see what he does next.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
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by AlabamaJammer on Aug 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not believer in David Carr syndrome
Mike and Mike in the morning were debating this one day about whether you should sit or start rookie qbs their first season. Green basically said that you should to protect them while Golic said that if a qb gets Carr syndrome than they were never going to make it anyway, the qb just didn’t have the mental makeup necessary for the a NFL qb which I agree with. Our o-line has problems but it’s not 02-04 Texan problems and Newton won’t get sacked 68 or so times like Carr did. Let Newton take his lumps, if he sucks at first he sucks and hopefully will get better over the course of the season. Once he is giving the starting job he should be allowed to keep until season end…… unless of course it ends up being the worst of all time.
WOW!!
Like the points there sperk!!! impressive!! OK!!!!!!!! BAMA dude here is now sold!!!!! Start the Cam man and lets put all out chips in!!!!! “STAND AND CHEER FOR THE PANTHERS”!!!.
I read your facts and I can say that Cam is tough enough in the mellon area to make it work.
Yep
That one rushing TD play alone justified why we picked Cam. Not because it was a beautiful play but because A. Without his size he couldn’t have stretched the ball in the end zone and without his field vision and speed he wouldn’t have made it that close to begin with. Another thing I notice is how well cam protects the football. I saw 3 plays against Cincy where any other QB would have fumbled but not Cam. Dude protects that football with his life.
The fact he has yet thrown an interception or fumbled especially as a rookie, itself speaks volumes.
by PantherTrain on Aug 27, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Had to rec this
That’s how I see it
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
Umm isn’t the panthertrain the one who flat out called cam a bust just after thursdays game? Might be wrong idk.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2011 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he rec'd my post
Just sayin’
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup he did.
He’s a troll.
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by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
well said my good sir....
"You mad cuz I'm stylin on you...."
by Panther down South on Aug 27, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
My take on today's news.
1. Schwartz’s injury bothers me, a lot. Schwartz quietly had a very good year at RG last year and when MacBern is the top back-up on the line, then we’ve got some serious issues. We better hope a veteran RG becomes available which leads me to….
2. Please please PLEASE let Hangartner come back to us. He’s pretty much exactly what we’re looking for to fill the need on the OL. Honestly I don’t trust any of our back-up OL and if Hangartner can fill in as a starter until Schwartzy is healthy, then I feel much better about our OL as a whole. If it’s likely that he’s cut then there’s no reason to trade for him unless there’s another team hot after him. But regardless if we bring in another OL or not, we need Hangartner back.
3. Otah practicing is awesome. We need that road grater at RT especially if Schwartz is going to miss time.
4. RELEASE THE KRACKEN!
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This is a bit unrelated but...
Boy is Tom Brady getting hit by the Lion the Defense. He looks like he’s having a hard time out there. I guess it still is just the Preseason but their O Line does not seem to be protecting him very well. It’s a bit a resemblance of the game against the Jets in the play-offs were they violated Brady.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
post fail...
*a=of
*(minus)-the
*were=where
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Lions D-Line is NASTY
Suh is just a beast. Then they have Fairley coming in too, Corey WIlliams is a really good DT too. Hope they have to cut somebody and we pick them up!
by jojoisthemann on Aug 27, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Cut Fairley...mwahaha
I can have unrealistic dreams if I want
I'm pretty sure this goes in the same category...
…as a date with Ms Decker.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
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by The Duke Dude on Aug 29, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Like to see it happen
Well I think it is funny how a year ago mostly everyone on here were wanting Schwartz out and let Macbern start, thankfully that didn’t happen and Schwartz won the job outright and had a fairly decent year. Sadly the RG position has been a problem for years and has been filled the lower round draft picks, aging veteran pickups that served us well for a few years such as K. Vincent, or in house opts that have been on the team for a couple of years and haven’t really ever done much. Honestly Schwartz is a slightly above average RG and a good starter but he is far from elite and personally I would like to see what B. Bell offers on this Thursday night to see if he is worthy of a roster spot.
D. Robinson is awful and just needs to be cut the guy doesn’t even have enough stamia to run block let alone pass block for deep balls and he is simply just to out of shape and to slow. J. Otah is very much need back into the starting offense line fold ASAP !
I pray Hangartner is released on Tuesday so we can grab him b.c. when we let him leave I always thought that was a terrible move, the guy can play LG, C, RG and that would be a huge for our Oline at this current time.
G. Hardy please come to the play on Sept 11th Rivera has given you the keys to the car now it is time for you to drive it. If Hardy pans out paired with CJ and we add another mid level DT then we could be finally set.
NO MORE E. BROWN , convert this kid to a damn LB or trade him to a 3-4 team. Hey what about E. Brown for G. Hangartner straight up ? It is the bills so anything is possible. I told everyone when we traded future picks to move up and acquire Brown in the draft it was going to be a huge bust an I was right. I never liked him at FSU, and he is a terrible, undersized DE and cannot play the postion in the NFL regardless of the scheme sorry but facts are facts. I wish him will but I wish we could just sign an Odom type DE or bring Brayton back on a cheap vet contract and dump E. Brown !
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 27, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
i feel you bout E. Brown
I went to FSU the year he got drafted and I really wasnt excited about him coming to Carolina. He was way to hyped up at FSU IMO…..
"You mad cuz I'm stylin on you...."
by Panther down South on Aug 27, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to
Ship E. Brown to the Packers for S. Shields. They get another pass-rusher to go along with Mathews, and we get a young CB with some size and skill…Anyone?
I believe we had no choice but to let Hangartner go.
Salary cap issues on our part paired with the fact that other teams were offering him starter money that we just couldn’t pony up.
And agreed, usually EB has some preseason flash then doesn’t show anything in the regular season. For him not even to show anything this preseason, I shudder at the thought of how he’ll look come time when the games start to matter.
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by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
DE Antwan Odom (6-5, 280, 7 year vet) Is A Free Agent, But He Just got Shot In The Leg
That said, he maybe the only pass rushing DE available.
what the hell was he doing!!??
"You mad cuz I'm stylin on you...."
by Panther down South on Aug 27, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone shot into his house, I believe.
He’s got a lengthy history of injuries too and missed all of last year.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently he was doing someone's girlfriend...
Tony Gildersleeve was officially charged with attempted murder and first degree burglary on Tuesday after police say he unlawfully entered Odom’s home in Irvington, Ala., early Monday morning and fired a shotgun at Odom, who was in bed.
The friendship between Odom and Gildersleeve goes back to high school when they both played football at Alma Bryant.
Another high school friend, Tina Davis, was with Odom at the time of the shooting, according to the FOX10 News report. Davis, who the sheriff’s office says was Gildersleeve’s girlfriend, was not hurt by the gunfire.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Jeezus...a SHOTGUN?!
Odom is lucky to be alive.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
It was a .410
And he got shot with a slug in the leg. Not to try to minimize what happened, but it’s not like homeboy opened up on Odom with a 12ga shooting 00 buckshot.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, had he went in with a 12 gauge, things would have quickly turned ugly.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I think it's safe to say that we wouldn't be talking about him as a free agent.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...it's safe to say that.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
He’s lucky it didn’t connect with bone. .410 slug has enough mass + velocity at that range to rip the leg apart.
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
Very true
It’s not like he got shot with a .22, a .410 slug is a big damn hunk of lead.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Another part of the article:
“It’s my understanding the first shot went into the headboard and into the wall above the bed, and the second shot grazed his leg,” Lori Myles told the television station.
So yeah…he’s very lucky.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Damn soo lucky
He could’ve ended up like that former Jags OT, can’t recall his name, and lost a leg.
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- Ricky Bobby's Dad
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by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That'll sure as shit get you shot.
Guns don’t kill people, boyfriends that come home early kill people.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It was at Odom's house, not Gildersleeve's.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT???
Did i just read word…..FRIEND in that little post? with friends like that….well….you know the rest
Yes, and you also read the word "girlfriend." It takes two to tango, and Gildersleeve apparently got double-
fu…screwed. Is that justifiable attempted murder? I think in NC you can get away with this using a temporary insanity defense (seriously).
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
In NC he could just sue for alienation of affection
and get millions. I shit you not, if a dude is sleeping with your wife, you can press charges and sue for alienation of affection for gobs of money here.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
yeah, that's true, but she wasn't his wife.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Holy shit! Seriously?!
* racking my brain trying to figure out how to obtain proof *
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I'm pretty sure you can.
But I don’t know if it would hold up if Gildersleeve heard about what was happening, drove all the way to Odom’s house and then tried to kill him.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Do athletes ever get tired
Of making bad decisions? At what point do you just say to yourself: You know, I think I’ll do something different this time, something that actually makes sense.
"Men, I want you just thinking of one word all season. One word and one word only: Super Bowl." - Bill Peterson
I know it's cliche, but they're only human. Athletes, even rich ones, are just people.
Being a millionaire doesn’t make you one iota smarter.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Money only makes you more of what you already are.
Tattoo your name on my arm
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by Oi2dwrld on Aug 27, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This cracked me up.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
Nah...unlike Cheddar Plax, Odom didn't shoot himself, lol.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
LOL @ "Cheddar Plax"
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
HAHAH Cheddar Bob reference. LOVE IT!!
(Fired up reference)
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey now
joke he may be, but he is looking fairly good for a guy that just got out of lock down.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
No doubt, he has looked a lot better than I thought he'd be with the Jets.
Besides, I didn’t say he was a joke. But him giving a whole new meaning to the saying, “shooting yourself in the foot” was hilarious.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I know what you meant
he is a joke cause of self inflicted wound, not as a player, lol.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
by gdhood on Aug 28, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
E Brown
I am pissed at what Marty and the gang freakin did to get the over rated dude. I have said it in the past. He should be on “Dancing with the Stars”. I get sick seeing him in that damn spin move he does!! Hell…..He freakin screws his self in the ground every time! He never get closer to the QB with it…..HE FREAKIN SUCKS!!!
To be fair, he was given a late 1st round/high 2nd round grade by most.
So Marty and Co. only overrated him a little bit.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Aug 28, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh
Love the good news here! Top it off Falcons losing again tonight so they are now 0-3 pre season and Matt Ryan played tonight and was very mediocre! That makes the night even better! Can’t wait to see my falcons friend at work who keeps claiming Cam is a bust. Lol please, if Matt Ryan or most other QBs in this league tried that same running play Cam made the TD on against cinch, they would have injured their back and/or fumbled.
Cam is like the Terminator, he just never seems to get hurt. Even in college when he was tackling linemen shoulder first it didn’t phase him one bit. Dude is like Bruce Willis from unbreakable
I honestly don't get you man
One day you call Newton a bust for looking depressed, while the next day you call him the Terminator.
Panther Pride 'till I die.
I have a feeling that Panther Train is actually 2 people posting on the same account
or maybe some strange performance art.
Tattoo your name on my arm
I always said my girls a good luck charm.
by Oi2dwrld on Aug 27, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Split personality disorder. Also posts under jaimedk.
j/k
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
Occasionally I'm rational and consistent. =)
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
LOL...
I just posted on Twitter that I miss being able to spend more time here.
Long story, but I have to go to my parents’ to use internet. I’ve moved, and it’s unfortunately in the middle of nowhere. In the middle of nowhere = no cable. Living in the middle of nowhere = all of the DSL ports are already full. I literally cannot get DSL. Satellite is crazy expensive and can be spotty with bad weather. I’m trying to come up with something creative because dial-up sucks (another long story). I haven’t been able to log into CSR on my phone…it’s just not working.
Sad times. LOL.
And I don’t have tv satellite yet (it will be coming eventually), so I also have to travel to my parents’ to watch games. Thankfully, I just bought the entire series of Friday Night Lights on DVD, so I can watch an amazing show about football for a few hours a day. =)
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Well, that just
Sucks!!! The boys have been running wild without mama Jamie to keep them in line. j/k
I hope you find a solution that works for you. We miss you, but “it is what…” (ouch)
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Figured that would bring her back from out of the woods! : )
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
I always like a personal shout-out! Thank you very much.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Considering that there was a post today about knee-jerk reactions...
Apparently Mama Jamie does need to step in and try to keep the peace. =)
Although, I must say, I would have been cussing like a sailor if I had been on the open thread during the Cincy game. I would have displayed no peace-keeping abilities. =)
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Dude
I’m only human, I tend to have knee jerk reactions when I’m upset but once I get back down to earth I’m fine. yes at the time I was mad and that’s how I felt. But it’s not my real feelings. And no I really don’t think we should take Luck if god forbid we get the 1st pick.We need to take the best DT or CB hands down. I love cam
by PantherTrain on Aug 27, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
he ran out of lithium.
Its not nice to pick on the bi-polar guy. Sheesh!
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2011 11:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"emotionally irrational"
…when I look up “redundancy” in the dictionary…it says, “see redundancy.”
just a thought here guys.
Say cam proves to be bad ass but we still end up with the #1 overall pick. Why not take luck and since the salary is tremendously lower with the wage scale. Then turn him into trade bait for whateer we need most. Of course it will require someone with pieces we want to really want luck but…..idk what the rules are regarding such things.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2011 11:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You just trade the pick
Don’t draft him, trade the pick to SF or CIN or someone like that.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 27, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i took hat into consideration but,
U could trade luck himself for guys who have proven themselves where as the picks u get in return arenot guaranteed to be productive.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2011 11:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one is going to trade proven players for an unproven rookie, regardless of how promising the rookie is.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
u dont think so?
Even if we find someone as desperate as atl was this year to get julio?
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2011 11:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No...teams don't do that.
They’ll trade a boat load of picks, for sure. But, no team is going to trade multiple proven players for Andrew Luck, unless they trade players who have proven they suck. The system just doesn’t work that way.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I think the hype for Luck could possibly make an exception to that rule.
But it would be for the pick to take Luck, not necessarily for him. Draft picks hold more value than players at this point.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Aug 28, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with BW
No way in hell a team gives up proven players for a rookie. 3 draft picks may seem like a lot, but it’s still nothing compared to a proven DT/ RG/ whatever the hell we need.
I’m not talking about multiple starters here guys. If we consider our major needs right now, say a team much like us at lb and rb have an excess of talent at our positions of need. U don’t think maybe we could get a guy or 2 or maybe a guy who has proven to be a strong back up and a couple of picks. I mean, I’m not gonna go ahead and call luck the next peyton or brady but I surely seehim as at least a matt ryan type of guy. Just find some tape of stanford playing washington(I think) last year. I believe they blanked them and shored 30 plus. The coach of the other team stated that luck was caling audibles constantly and every time he did it was the exact right play for the defense coming at him. Just think what he could do with nfl calibre recievers. He had a good running game with gerhart but still, knowing how to read defenses like he already does puts him up there with the most sure fire qb’s to be drafted in a long time. More and more teams are finally realizng they have to have that franchise qb. Hell, we just figured it out. I understand it would have to be the perfect storm to be able to actually get somewhat. proven guys but crazier things have happened. If weend up at that #1 spot again guys I’m just trying to figure out a way to get asmuch value out of the pick as possible. I understand it would have to be an unprecedented occurance to work this way but it doesn’t make it an impossibility, or does it? Hell I was drunk when I thought about it the first time now I’m goingon 3 hrs of sleep. Maybe I’m an idiot but I just want our team to get better.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 28, 2011 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Trade it for as many picks as we can get.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
the pick that is...
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
First, everyone needs to stop talking about Luck
We saw with Locker how much things can change in a year. All it takes is some shaky play adjusting to a new coach and he drops to a mid first rounder.
Second, no matter how good or bad Cam is there is ZERO chance we take a QB next year for any reason. For good or bad, the coaching staff is going to give Cam every chance possible to prove himself, even if it takes multiple years. Hell, when he was drafted there were a lot of people who advocated that he shouldn’t start until at least his second year regardless.
Now, lets say we do end up with the number one pick (and I highly doubt we do). Here’s what you do. You either a) trade the pick to someone who needs a QB bad, or b) hope there’s a sure thing at LT or DT and take him.
Taking a player of any position with the number one pick… no scratch that ANY pick, solely for trade bait is idiotic. Honestly it sounds like something the Redskins would do.
I think most of the replies above were agreeing with you about trading the pick if we should happen to get it again.
But that pick could be worth more than a Julio’s bounty of picks to a team (ahem, San Fran) that needs a QB.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
If we somehow end up with the first pick again, god help
I say trade it for that years first and second, and also the next years first
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
I would hope we could get more than that, but I'd take the best offer.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
The only reason I stated actually drafting him instead of trading the pick was in an attempt to get guys who are somewhat proven. Not starters but guys that in the right situation could step in and start(on a team that is weak at their position). And because I’ve never seen nfl teams trade picks for players like u get in other leagues. I don’t think we will have the #1 pick either so it may be a moot point but for me its just about getting as much value as possible and immediate impact at positions of need.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 28, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The most value you can get for the #1 pick is multiple first round picks over several years along with 2nd and 3rd round picks in the same draft that you traded your pick from. Teams just don’t trade proven players for draft picks, even if that draft pick is Andrew Luck.
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just a thought here guys.
Say cam proves to be bad ass but we still end up with the #1 overall pick. Why not take luck and since the salary is tremendously lower with the wage scale. Then turn him into trade bait for whateer we need most. Of course it will require someone with pieces we want to really want luck but…..idk what the rules are regarding such things.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 27, 2011 11:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ummmm, ok....
Rotoworld:
Panthers FB Tony Fiammetta has yet to practice since suffering a concussion in Carolina’s preseason opener.
One of the better lead blockers in all of football, Fiammetta’s absence is a concern for a team that is going to have to rely heaviliy on its running game this season. However, it’s likely Fiammetta will return for Week 1.
Source: Joseph Person on Twitter
Sure, he’s one of the better lead blockers, as long as you don’t count any other FB’s and only compare him to high school kids.
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Hehehe
Im going to fsu this spring and ill be walking on at fullback. i played Guard my senior year and ended up being All County first team lol.. so the high shcool kid thing made me laugh lol
good luck at FSU
Hope you make it, knowledge of line and blocking schemes could help. They are a program on the rise, so hope you got the speed and size.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
eh, while he was shit at the beginning of last year, he's improved significantly since then.
The guy we have back there right now is camp fodder and can’t even hold a candle to him. I think James stated the YPC difference in the MIA thread this preseason when he was on the field…5.x vs 2 or something?
I remember that stat...
I know for me personally, Hoover had been doing this thing back there for so long, it was almost like the next guy wasn’t going to be good enough, no matter what. However, I’ve seen what a bad fullback looks like (i.e. Mike Sellers dancing around as if we was trying his best to AVOID a block, never mind engaging in one), and Fiametta doesn’t look anything like that.
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That is crazy talk.
Rotorooter doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Maybe they confused him with Brad Hoover.
He is getting undue credit because or running game has a reputation for being solid.
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If Schwartz is going to miss significant time...
Then RG just overwhelmingly became our number one need. I cannot take the rise in blood pressure associated with watching turnstile start regular season games again.
HURRAY!!
i finally have an account to comment in CSR!
by clemsonPANTHERSnascarKBandBK on Aug 28, 2011 12:28 AM EDT reply actions
Glad you didn't go with a long user name.
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by ALAC on Aug 28, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I know everybody wanted to use DWills money for something else...
but he is WAY WAY WAY better than J stew and there is no comparison. D Will is much more explosive and cannot hit the holes (that aren’t that big due to MacBernaSuck) much better than J stew. It doesn’t matter that im a panthers fan but i know for sure that D will is a top five RB in this league right on par with AP and CJ
by clemsonPANTHERSnascarKBandBK on Aug 28, 2011 12:31 AM EDT reply actions
There may have been a large faction who wanted us to spend that money elsewhere
But I can also tell you that there were some of us who would have traded our first born to resign D-Will. Both D-Will and Beff stew are awesome, but it’s the combination that makes them amazing. Being able to split carries ensures that both stay fresh throughout the game. They also both fill different needs (D-will more elusive, Beef stew more power). I have a feeling that the overall advantage of having both is greater than simply the sum of each of them.
Still, I have to call you out for some homerism. D-will is great, but he isn’t on AP or CJs level. Top 10 in the league? Absolutely. Top 5? Debatable. But certainly not top 3 (which CJ and AP are).
Ok...
let’s say were not as good as we the fans thought we were going to be this season..why not just start trading people and collecting draft picks, with the new CBA agreement draft picks are cheap now…guys I would have on the trading block..Brown, LeFell, Connor, Clausen, Goodson, Norwood, Pike, Gamble…Get more draft picks, and I know thats probably the best of the best of the C- squad..however..even though they might not work on our team they would probably be good on someone elses…FYI, I think Goodson and Gonnor are good but there position is just to crowded..
Another thing...
didn’t think we were in dier need of a QB this past draft, would have went for a DT or traded down and pick up a mid round DT, keep what I had at QB with Clausen and Pike and picked up Young, or traded for someones backup QB with starter reliability …def would have snagged Lee Evans, and I do love Olsen and Shockey, let Williams walk (need the cap space) make Stewart feature back with Sutton and Goodson..
Uh what trade value does Brown
, Lafell, Clausen, Norwood and Pike really have after 1 year playing? At best you get 5th-7th round picks in return, no team will trade for Pike. They would rather wait and see until they cut him, besides he has an injure shoulder. Gamble would have to restructure his deal for a team to trade for him. Hurney will probably let Connor hit the free agent instead of doing the smart thing to trade him.
No team were willing to trade up,
hint why the top 5 teams selecting early didn’t move up or down in the draft. Young went to the perfect situation to actually be develop by Andy R, even though it’s only 1 for year. They still have $8 mililion under the cap to address needs this year. What shocked me was Williams getting $21 million guarantee, would have been better around $12.-13 million guarantee. Did you stated they should trade Goodson? Clearly u did and u wanted them to let Williams go, wow. The rb depth chart would be Stewart, Sutton, and Vaugh if Goodson was traded and Williams let go.
What..
I stated was one of them had to go..since Williams was already a free agent, and our backfield was deep let’em walk, and keep Goodson behind Stewart or Sutton, Goodson and Sutton are interchangeable. Every player has trade value and I would take a 5th and 7th round pick for them..Lafell is still tall and you can’t teach height, Pike was pretty accurate with a lot of Draft Buzz coming out of the Natti, Clausen can still eat off the ND legacy but he would probably be a FA …Redskins and Raiders love big contract guys and Raiders just lost one of there big ticket CB’s, and Connor does not need to walk for free. I refuse to believe that Philly is the “Intervention” of the NFL. What Philly is doing is being “Hoarders” by stacking up all this talent. Pretty sure Coach Rivera can “Scare Straight!” Vince Young.
If the Bills and Raiders were so interested
in Newton, then why didn’t they trade up to get him? 5th-7th rounders are use mostlyto add depth, not many players turn out good or hall of fame caliber in those rounds. The only way I trade one of them if a team offer a 3rd or 4th rounder in return. The redskins aren’t handing out $100 million check anymore. Pike is a project, nobody isn’t going to trade for a player while injure.
You can't..
tell me that the Raiders didn’t want Newton, but they did want Pryor, who’s not even a poor man’s Newton..and just because the Cats had a #1 pick dosen’t mean they had to take a QB..I was love the rumor of taking a DT and putting Volek as a starter..5th and 7th round picks would be good for depth, but keeping Norwood and Brown on the team when it’s obvious there playing out of position is a joke, IMO they are better in a 3-4 defense.
If the Raiders really wanted Newton very
badly, then they should surrendered their draft picks for this year and next year right? Pryor was only had for a 3rd round pick, not a 1st rounder for a 2nd round prospect. The only way 5-7th would really be good is if they are on the roster and can actually contribute when needed for a starter missing serious time. Can Norwood and Brown drop back in coverage as 3-4 OLB? Either way they still would have to rush the QB/stop the run in which they aren’t even good in the 4-3 scheme. The Panthers were never interested in Billy V, how many dt’s selected in the top 5 pans out in the league? Only Suh I can really name, the jury is out if G McCoy.
The Raiders didn't have a 1st rd pick this year
So I think your point is a little off.
This is what bugs me about Otah.
The more time that passes, the more I fear that Otah just doesn’t care enough about football. Injuries can’t be helped, but the guy’s attitude about the whole thing is just way to ho-hum for me. He can be a bad man on the football field, but I’m not sure he want’s it badly enough.
His answers to the following questions by Scott Fowler…….
Could it be possible Otah would miss another entire year?
“I’m hoping not,” Otah said. “I doubt it. But you know how injuries are. They’re unexpected.”
You hope not? GTFOH!
And if Otah gets back by the regular-season opener?
“I hope I can go out there and help I can make a difference,” he said, “but I don’t look at myself as some kind of missing piece or key.”
You don’t look at yourself as “some kind of missing piece or key”?!?! What exactly do you look at yourself like Jeff? A cap drain? A waste of talent?
I want my football players to WANT to be on the field. They should view themselves as important cogs in the big machine. What the hell kind of attitude is this? I don’t want to hear this cop out BS. It’s concerning that he doesn’t feel like some of our offensive woes are due to his absence.
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Wow. Hulk not good at answer questions.
Were there any other questions in that interview? Could you maybe fart one out for us?
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Here's the entire article concerning our O-line.
Panthers’ offensive line a weak link
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Thanks ALAC ... if Otah said anything else, Fowler didn't choose to print it.
I feel better after watching the video linked by Newsinz below. He doesn’t come across as unmotivated at all; seems anxious to get back and hit somebody.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I hope he is.
I’m beyond frustrated with this situation.
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Don't let a few quotes from specific questioning discourage you.
I took a few minutes to transcribe Otah’s interview in this video clip:
“It’s great to be back out here…great to be back out here running on this grass, and, you know, being out here with these guys again, getting ready (for the) Steelers. I feel GREAT. I feel great, man, coming back out here today. Ya know, I felt good moving around, felt good cutting, so, it’s a great feeling. Actually got to hit some guys, follow through, and finishing blocks; it was good.”
I think those other remarks were just him not wanting to jinx himself; if I were sideline for well over a year with a nagging injury, I’m not exactly going to be bragging about my newfound health and longevity, either. He’s humble, but he’s still hungry.
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Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
If he goes down again, draft tackle first round
and trade his ass, nothing personal against him. He seems nice enough, I’m not saying, I’m just saying, lol.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
It's much more than these two comments to me.
It’s the pattern of behavior and overall lack of toughness and willingness to play thru pain.
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There's a thin line between toughness and foolishness.
Stephen Jackson (Charlotte Bobcats) crossed that line when he tried to play through his hamstring injury late last season in the NBA, and ended up injuring himself further.
I have no idea what Otah’s threshold of pain is like, but I trust him and the Panthers’ staff to know that whatever he was going through last season was not worth the risk of “being tough.”
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I know what you're saying.
And I’ve made similar statements in defending Otah before. I’m done defending him. I don’t care what anyone (doctors included) says. If he was doing the right things, he would be ready to go by now. It’s been over a damn year. You don’t have to agree with me, but I’m not off base in questioning how bad the guy really WANTS to be on the field. Until he gets his ass out there, his desire is open to questioning.
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As far as Otah's willingness to play through pain.
he played through a high ankle sprain his last year in college IIRC. I hesitate to question a player’s toughness unless they give you a very good reason, simply because to get to this level you have to work so hard and go through a bunch of crap already. Otah’s situation has been frustrating, but we don’t know any details of what happened. For all we know he hurt himself in rehab trying to come back too fast. It’s simply too early to close the book on him, if he continues his career pattern this season then we have legitimate cause to worry.
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 28, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are free to view the situation however you like.
Not taking a meaningful snap since 2009 is reason enough for me to begin asking questions about his toughness and desire. With the information that’s been provided, any other stance is simply following on blind faith. When he gets on the field and plays real games, I’ll reconsider my stance.
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Nigerian football players have been stereotyped as being:
‘Soft’ and ‘too educated.’
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Well, he's definitely starting to look like one of those.
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No doubt.
Although he has gone through what, two, three full practices without wankin’ it too hard?
Maybe he’ll be okay for the 11th.
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Lol...
I sure hope the hell so. We just plain stink with anyone else at RT.
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I have a solution...
The team should hire someone to wank it for him. That way, he doesn’t put extra stress on the shoulder.
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I want my football players to WANT to be on the field.
100% agree bro. I wish Otah would have said the following:
“I can’t wait to get back on the field and make opposing DE’s my personal bitch. I can’t wait to open up holes for Double Trouble to run through, because those guys can’t run for shit without me opening the edge for them.”
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My very humble take...
My reaction to Schwartz’s apparently serious injury: “Shit!” He kept getting better and better last year. He and G. Williams were becoming a good (don’t say I’m cray…I’m didn’t say “elite”) run blocking tandem. Goodson can thank them for a good portion of his success. I do think Hangartner would be a tremendous help in Schwartz’s absence. MacBern just has no business being a RG. He’s slightly better at LG, but seriously, no one should ever have to rely on him being even a second-stringer. At first, I thought that we should maybe try to get Alshon Jeffery or Justin Blackmon with our first-rounder in the next draft, but even though our WR situation is less than desirable, they have to get that O-line better. This is something I’ve said before, but it drives me crazy when people say we have one of the better O-lines in the league when they’re healthy, because they haven’t all been healthy in forever.
Which leads me to Otah. For awhile, I said I didn’t think he’d make it past the bye week. Now, I’m saying he doesn’t even make it to Week 1 because he’ll either already be on IR or put on the PUP list and later moved to IR. Please prove me wrong, Otah! I’ll gladly eat crow.
Release the Kraken!!! I was crying last week…we need him on that line. We need a lot of things on that line, but Kraken will be a good start.
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