Panthers 53 man roster prediction
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:01 AM EDT
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PrintThe third preseason game is typically the final test that determines who the starters are and sets the team up for the cuts. While it's very early to predict the roster I thought I'd take an early crack anyway based on what we've seen from the first two preseason games and heard out of camp. You'll also notice that I'm choosing to give a few spots to players currently not on the team, guys who the Panthers will pick up from other team's cuts.
Feel free to comment on any changes you think need to be made.
QB: Cam Newton, Jimmy Clausen, Derek Anderson
RB: DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Tyrell Sutton, Mike Goodson
FB: Tony Fiametta
WR: Steve Smith, Legedu Naanee, Armanti Edwards, Brandon LaFell, Kealoha Pilares
TE: Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey, Ben Hartsock
LT: Jordan Gross, Garry Williams
LG: Travelle Wharton, Byron Bell
C: Ryan Kalil
RG: Geoff Schwartz, Mackenzy Bernardeu
RT: Jeff Otah, Lee Ziemba
More after the jump
LE: Charles Johnson, Eric Norwood
DT: **veteran pick-up from cuts**, Corvey Irvin, Terrell McClain
NT: Sione Fua, Andre Neblett
RE: Greg Hardy, Everette Brown
LOLB: Thomas Davis, Omar Gaither
MLB: Jon Beason, Dan Connor, Thomas Williams
ROLB: James Anderson, Jordan Senn
LCB: Chris Gamble, **veteran pick-up from cuts**, RJ Stanford
RCB: Captain Munnerlyn, Robert McClain
SS: Sherrod Martin, Sean Considine
FS: Charles Godfrey, Jordan Pugh
K: Olindo Mare
P: Jason Baker
LS: J.J. Jansen
Practice Squad:
DE Ugo Chinasa
LB Lawrence Wilson
RB Josh Vaughan
CB Kendric Burney
TE Richie Brockel
Injured Reserve
WR David Gettis
NT Ron Edwards
C/G Zack Williams
CB Brandon Hogan
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Yup.
Except I would prefer to see one of those young OL on the PS, in favor of another WR, TE or H-back.
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Or
a proven veteran OG or OT- still not sold on our o-line, especially if Otah is limited
You mean you aren’t thrilled with Garry Williams or Bernedeaux?
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If Everette Brown doesn't make an impact soon, he could be on the bubble.
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I just can't get over the fact Mario Williams can't do anything in Wade Phillips' 3-4
If there’s any possible way for them to explore a trade without destroying the future draft picks they need to do it.
I say this because Brown could be part of the compensation for him. I always thought Williams would struggle as a OLB, but I never thought he’d have absolutely no impact on the game; he struggles against the pass and only has two tackles in two games… this from a player whose averaged 2.3 tackles and 0.62 sacks since he entered the league
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
We would have the top DE's in the NFL
Except arguably NYG
It's a perfect trade for both teams...as long as we could fit Mario under the cap.
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They saved $6 million in the Kalil extension, and were about $1.2 million under before that
That gives us roughly $7.2 million before cuts.
Williams is slated to make $13.8 million this year in the final year of his deal. No trade could/would happen without a contract extension, so it’s possible we could get his cap number under $7.2
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
DE Mario Williams 2011 Salary Is Slightly Over $13 Million & A UFA In 2013
The Texans won’t trade Williams, their whole defense is built around him, if anything they will move him back to DE, an start rookie 3-4 OLB Brooks Reed, their #42 pick.
by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
They’ll move Williams to a position where he can have less of an impact? Paying a 3-4 DE $13 million is ludicrous.
Their whole defense WAS built around him, and rightfully so… but from the first two preseason games he has no place in this defense, he’s the antithesis of the most important player
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I get the feeling that Mario is headed for a big pay-day in free agency.
I see his situation playing out much like Aaron Kampman’s did.
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Texans Would Want A Better Pass Rusher Than Brown For Williams, Maybe Hardy & A 1st Round Pick, Maybe More
by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well sure they would. Brown would just be a small piece of the compensation.
I think James realizes that, short of speaking for him.
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Indeed
I’m thinking Everette Brown, 2012’s 2nd round pick and 2013’s 1st rounder… it’s a steep price, but he’s an elite player and we can dust out hands of the pass rush for the next decade.
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
A big fat no to giving up the 1st rounder.
Got a 1st round QB, now we need a 1st round WR
Hell to the no......
WR is the only position in the league that’s riskier to draft in the first round than QB. The sheer volume of wide receivers in the draft gives teams plenty of opportunities to get a high-caliber player, in a lower round.
For every Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson there’s three Freddie Mitchell’s or Charles Rogers’ waiting to bite you in the ass. I’d much rather use my first round picks on linemen or once in a decade type talents. If you wait till the second round or later, look what kind of guys you can get…………..
Greg Jennings- 2nd round
Brandon Marshall- 4th round
Anquan Boldin- 2nd round
Brandon Lloyd- 4th round
Chad Ochocinco- 2nd round
Terrell Owens- 3rd round
Mike Wallace- 3rd round
not to mention our very own…….
Muhsin Muhammad- 2nd round
THE Steve Smith- 3rd round
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by ALAC on Aug 22, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I completely understand your logic and can agree to a point
However people are not adverse to 1st round wrs b/c of team impact alone (or lack there of). It’s a combination of team impact after the draft & the cost to acquire that talent. If we’re paying the #1 QB pick only 22 mil guaranteed, I think the reward outweighs the risk if you’re fishing for talent. The fact of the matter is no one can predict where WR talent will come from. Everyone of those guys you mentioned were not taken in the 1st for a reason, yet they became very productive. My point? You can’t predict the talent at wr so I’d rather fish in a pond with big fish and see what I get, esp. because the price is many many degrees cheaper now.
I understand that the rookie salary scale changes things a bit.
I just have to side with the statistics here. One in four wide receivers drafted in the first round is out of the league in 3 to 4 years. That’s just to high of a failure rate for me.
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Answered my own question and this lends credence to your pt.
"There is a little bit of a misrepresentation or a misunderstanding on that. Frequently, it is said that the average career is about 3.5 years. In fact, if a player makes an opening day roster, his career is very close to six years," Commissioner Goodell said. "If you are a first-round draft choice, the average career is close to nine years. That 3.5-year average is really a misrepresentation. What it adds is a lot of players who don’t make an NFL roster and it brings down the average."
According to a recent NFL Management Council analysis of players who entered the NFL between 1993 and 2002, the average career length for a player who is on his club’s opening-day roster as a rookie is 6.0 years.
That 6.0 average is 88 percent higher than NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith’s recent claim.
"The fundamental principle of our business model necessarily includes that every player only plays for an average of 3.2 years," Smith said in a March 31 forum with MBA students at the University of Virginia.
per a Goodell quote
It actually throws water on the 3-4 year average thing.
The whole statistical breakdown here:
http://nflcommunications.com/2011/04/18/what-is-average-nfl-player%E2%80%99s-career-length-longer-than-you-might-think-commissioner-goodell-says/
But one could say that Goodell was saying that to create leverage in negotiations.
The truth usually lies in the middle.
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It's really not worth arguing ad nauseum.
We’ve both made our points as to how we’ve reached our opinions. Neither are right or wrong, just different. Nothing wrong with being different.
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The cost of giving 21, 22 year olds millions of dollars...
Some of them just aren’t ready to work.
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I'd be all for that
It’s unfortunate, at least for us, that it probably won’t happen.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 22, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm Sure It Would Have To Be For A 2012 1st Round Pick "James"
You would have to give that up, Brown isn’t much of a loss, and maybe they could get by with a 2013 3rd or 4th round pick.
If the Panthers could sign Mario Williams long-term then I’d do that deal in a heartbeat. Hardy seems to be the only Panther other than Charles Johnson who can give a pass rush, and he was injury prone in college.
The last free agent pass rushing DE Antwan Odom (6-5, 280) was shot in the leg this morning
by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We would be INSANE to give up the Kracken
Especially given the alternatives
Given that he's just 23 and Mario will be 27 in Jan...
That makes it a little less appealing to me as well.
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It's called depth. The D-linemen rotate. Having Hardy to spell Johnson and Williams would be exceptional.
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+1 , and besides are issue is a soft interior. I would rather land an incredible nose tackle to replace Edward,
and keep teams from gashing us up the middle. What the sense in having CJ and Mario if all the OC has to do is pound it between them.
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Could this really be a possibility? I mean, I had a brain freeze just by thinking about it, having Mario Williams on one side, and CJ on the other….
Good God.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 22, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate that everyone is so hard on EB although I too expected much more from him to this point.
However, he was one of the few playmakers/disrupters in the last game. (I know that’s not saying much given the overall performance of the defense) Just saying he definitely has the potential to play big, so being that he is a 2nd round pick we should at least see what this guy can do. He was second on the team in sacks last year before being put on IR and made plays last year. He’s far from a stud, but I remember a young, barking charles johnson that always showed a spark but until recently hadn’t shown up completely. I believe we have a playmaker in Brown and just need to wait to see what the new coaching staff and Defense will do to his play.
EB is on his ass more than his feet
And CJ did show up whenever he got the chance he just didn’t get much playing time under fox until last year.
The problem with EB is for every play he disrupts, there's 10 where he was no factor at all or a detriment
James posted a while back on how when he gets pressure, he does damage. However, the pressure percentage is extremely low compared to his number of snaps.
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by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
P.R.S.
Yes. He needs to be twenty pounds heavier to even sniff first down.
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That's tiny for a DE
The boy needs to hit up the gym and Bojangles with regularity. Put some size on that frame.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 22, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well he's still too small
Regardless of what it is. He’s barely bigger than a large WR and he thinks he’s going to be able to beat a tackle? Ain’t happening.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm...
Could be difficult to stash Burney on the practice squad. Hard to find room for him on the 53, though. Hope we don’t lose him. Kid could become a difference maker down the road (as a nickel back and special teams guy).
Burney will make squad
I don’t see us spending money on a CB unless someone gets hurt. DL will be where money/trade will occur
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I totally agree.
The kid came into the league making great plays on the ball. With experience he will be a hawk, and I’ll bet a great cover guy as well.
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I agree with everything except I still think Goody will be 3rd string
Tyrell Sutton is a beast but so far from what we have seen it is from teams 3rd string and even though I think Sutton could be a 3rd stringer and even a 2nd stringer I think Goodsons speed and his ability to catch the ball in the backfield and make plays seperates him and Sutton. I am worried about Mikes fumbling but he seems determined to fix it or at least limit it.
if the price is right
I could see us trading goody or sutton, there’s a few teams in the market for a) following a few injuries. If the price is right we might trade
by LimeyPanther on Aug 22, 2011 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We have an excess of enviable talent at RB and LB.
I’d hope a trade could be affected, whereby we might assume some other team’s excess of talent at DT or CB.
With the cap $ freed up by Kalil’s extension, we might even be able to afford Asante Samuel, could we not?
Speaking of cap space freed by Kalil's extension....
Does anybody happen to know about where we stand in cap space and what sort of potential talent is out there at DT and CB that fits the Panthers budget?
I thought our holes at DT and CB were glaring against Miami, if teams start having success with that game plan we are going to be in for a long year.
by MindMachine on Aug 22, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
We are currently between $6.8 and $7.0 million under the cap now
No talent is available at DT or CB right now, but that will change when the cuts start to come through.
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanx James...
On the potential talent though… what is the going price for a decent DT or CB? Do you know?
I realize cuts haven’t started I’m just wondering if we are going to have to pick one or the other or sign really mediocre talent and hope it pans out or if we can actually fill our needs with decent talent and still fit under the cap.
Just curious, I know you guys are much more knowledgable on salary stuff than I.
by MindMachine on Aug 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I see Clowney making the cut
With the inability of non-Steve Smith Wrs being able to bust out, I would keep six. Clowney has been showing ability to make plays in practice and games.
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by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Go with 6 lb
I would look to move Connor or cut Thomas Williams (Sorry for those who swoon over him).
I agree 100%
I think Clowney as a WR > Williams as a LB.
Bigger need, plus I think he’s a better asset. Clowney is in the running for the #2-3 spot in my opinion. Great speed, good hands, and has experience. I like Clowney to make the squad.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Aug 22, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure that Charly Martin isn’t ahead of Clowney on the depth chart.
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maybe at this time...who knows right now...
but not according to the “unofficial” depth chart on the team site.
by IsaidgoodDAY! on Aug 22, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
for me neither make it
Might not be popular but I see em both getting cut
by LimeyPanther on Aug 22, 2011 7:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True on T-Will
Honestly their is one guy in every camp that shines and T. Williams is the guy this year still he chances of making the cut are very slim. I would like to retain him for the PS squad however. The idea of him starting or backing up Beason on a reg basis is scary I mean the guy is only in the game against second and third stringers in the preseason so we all need to keep that in mind as well.
Who was the guy two years ago that made all the tackles in camp ? Some LB that ended up going to Philly and staying on the team or PS squad until he got hurt? Honestly I view Williams as the same type of player.
PS squad would be nice though to retain him.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 22, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay Leman, I think.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Semantics!
I demand a recount!
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Williams Was Stuck Behind 1st Round Picks At USC
With the questions about Beason’s health he may make the roster until Beason is fully recovered, and then cut, maybe re-signed to the Practice Squad again.
by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree about Clowny
It seems like he’s been praised a lot throughout camp and has been more active in the games. I’ll be a little surprised if he doesn’t get a spot. If I had to trim a spot for him, it would be McClain or Stanford or maybe the veteran CB signing (why hasn’t it happened yet?). Also, he’s pretty good at run blocking.
However, the WRs are in a tight competition so I would only be a little bit surprised if he doesn’t make it.
by IsaidgoodDAY! on Aug 22, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
at this point, the vet signings are after the final cuts in a couple weeks, not FA's
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maybe we'll get lucky
and find a CB worthy of starting behind Captain on waivers. Maybe someone good enough to play but the team didn’t have the room, and would have to have a connection with McDermott. Anyone know of an Eagles CB that could come in and make a difference?
by IsaidgoodDAY! on Aug 22, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the post
Good depth chart, pretty much I had the same idea for a posting given that we are at Week 3 of the preseason coming up this Thurs night against the Bengals who are terrible they look alot like us from a year ago LFMAO.
Still we should beat them and I hope Cam has a great game for us. Only one thing I would still hang onto T. Pike on the PS squad. Their are no QB’s available and we need to keep all of them regardless of how crappy and often injuried they are.
Still I would not carry four QB’s and Pike may just be released given he now as huge shoulder issues.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 22, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
I think you can find a qb anytime in the season as good as Pike is, no need to keep him around.
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Disagree still you may be right.
Their is nothing on the free agent QB market at all any young QB with a cash friendly contract is going to be signed. For goodness sake the Raiders just gave up a 3rd round pick in the 2012 Draft to pickup Pryor in this years supplemental draft. A 3rd rounder for Pryor ? Come on Mr. Davis oh so he ran a great 40 and you pick him.
Typical of the Raiders of course when K. Boller is gonna be your backup do you really have any opts ? I do like J. Campbell though really wish we could have gotten him a couple of seasons ago but under Fox you can forget that.
Raiders are now without a 3rd,4th, and 5th round picks I believe in next years draft ? ? ?
Good old Al Davis what a joke move them back to LA and leave Davis in Oakland.
T. Pike will be picked up if we release him, stashing him on the PS squad or simply IR him with a bad shoulder seems more likely . I just wish the guy could stay healthy long enough to have actually played in the preseason but sadly you may be right his time here in Carolina is about over.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 22, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to release him before you can stash him on the PS
IR might be more likely
I see Burney sticking but that would mean Stanford is out...
I can’t see anyone else to cut to keep Burney. Tough choice
Was thinking we would keep 6 WR’s but not seeing that either. Maybe we only keep 4 DT’s? A FA signing would cause Neblett to go. I didn’t see him as a NG anyway.
I suppose our CB performed admirably given they look completely out of their league against top competition.
However, WRs were constantly behind all of them. If there were better placed passes we would have been blown out in both games. We seriously need CB help.
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by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point... we usually keep 9
with 5 DE’s. I don’t see a 5th DE making this roster. Chinasa has looked pretty good but he’s safe on the PS. We need more depth at DT since we are young there.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see big changes on the D-line
Other than Johnson and maybe Hardy… I’m not sure we even have the guys on our roster that will start vs ARZ.
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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they see G-Reg Olsen as the "6th receiver"...
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G-Reg?
I thought we were going with THOR.
Yup, I definitely remember it being THOR.
(I will say Stewart saying he looks like Dexter is also appropriate since we will be using him to slice up defenses.)
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
I like Dexter better than Thor.
I was unaware that we were calling him Thor. Must have been during my time away, or either I forgot.
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Kidding
I started calling him that because he looks like the guy who plays Thor in the movie and a few others agreed. I believe it was while you were away(my condolences again BTW). If you see mention of THOR though, that is who I am talking about.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
Oh ok...that makes sense now.
The other day I was reading something and thought “Who the hell is Thor?”
Thanks for the info, lol.
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Goodson Could Also Move Into The Slot If Needed As The 6th WR
by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the idea.
But Goodie catching passes over the middle scares me…
Yeah good point.
Nothing but screen passes to the outside, please.
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He just fumbled from thinking about it...
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by BW Smith on Aug 22, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Absolutely.
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why put goodson in the slot
When we have perfectly good wr’s? Ok so I keep banging on about how good Pilares is. Am I the only one who things he’s gonna be awesome? Everyone’s too drunk on AE juice right not. Kp will own the slot
by LimeyPanther on Aug 22, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry bro......
I started the Pilares train months ago. You’re welcome to come aboard though.
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Stanford vs. Burney
I will take Burney Stanford is servicable but has been here a year already an really hasn’t shined even in practice or in limited in game action towards the end of last season. For some reason R. Meeks luvs the guy and honestly he is no better then CJ Wilson, C. Gordon, D. Hall, K. Payne etc… all of which are going to be cut very soon. Burney has some upside and we be picked up very quickly if he lands on the PS squad. I except Burney will make the team he has shown flashes of being a solid nickel CB, unlike Stanford or the rest of the mentioned guys above.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 22, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it me or has Naanee been absent?
He’s was supposed to be the legitimate #2, yet I haven’t seen that out of him. I would rather keep a Charly Martin, who may be a little less of a receiver (albeit he looks like he has solid hands), but he definitely has ST capability. Naanee = 1 show pony.
I agree
He was supposed to be the guy familiar with the system that could step right in and make an impact and so far it has been a very minimal impact.
The only excuse I can think of is that we have had a lack of a #1 on the field with Smith out. Either way, I was hoping to see more from him as well.
We REALLY need a receiver to step up. A few weeks ago we were talking about the log jam at receiver and all of them have looked extremely mediocre to this point.
by MindMachine on Aug 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Charly Martin has NOT looked mediocre at WR.
36 yds, on 2 tough catches, in traffic, in very limited action the last 2 games.
I honestly don't know... but...
But were either of those 2 catches against first team defenses? and would we really be comfortable having Charlie Martin as a #2?
I like Martin, but the ongoing theme of no #2 receiver has been going on far too long with this team. Personally, my comment was made more for Naanee who I think a lot of us were hoping would be able to ‘step right into this offense’ as it was put.
I remember when he was signed there was a lot of the “he was buried in a depth chart with a lot of receivers and all he needs is a chance” type of attitude and so far we haven’t seen him take advantage of that chance.
by MindMachine on Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. He's never been a #2 WR, any more than Brandon LaFell has.
And LaFell is 3 years younger, just as tall, as caught passes in his only year in the league, for 96 yds more than Naanee has ever recorded in 4 yrs.
To me, LaFell’s our #2 man. If Naanee were going to be dominant, I haven’t seen any signs of it yet.
I think we'll see a rotation at #2
The #1 and #2 routes will probably be switched up frequently, with one or both going deep. LaFell obviously doesn’t fit doing that every play so I expect one of the fast WRs to be in most of the time on that. LaFell would obviously see the field more on posession or goal line downs. Of course, they woudn’t only run in sets like that because it would telegraph them, but Naanee or Clowney will probably be used to spread out the secondary with a deep route frequently at #2.
Agreed
Rotation all year with LaFell and Naanee makes the most sense. The loss of Gettis looms large for this club but LaFell needs to step up and play already. Show some emotion ? Do something to validate your draft status and billing I know he wasn’t a first rounder or anything but still show me something.
A. Edwards / Pilares will be seeing alot of time in the slot that is for sure.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 22, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
WR shuffle
Stats wise AE has been our most productive WR (3 rec for 47 yards) any chance on him taking the No. 2?
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The problem is length… I just don’t see Smith and Edwards being effective across from each other. Too many small targets
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent point.
But I think AE would bring more trouble scheme-wise to the defense with him being a number two.
It's nothing to do with height.
It’s all about whether the WR can get open or not.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
No, it's everything to do with height
No WR in the NFL can get open all the time, they’re always going to have to fight in traffic and make receptions while being blanketed unless they’re playing against sub-par competition. Steve Smith is the absolute exception to the rule because his athletic ability and hands transcends his height.
There’s a reason why NFL teams prefer big WRs, it’s because it gives a QB a larger window to throw the ball into. Greg Cosell was talking about this the other day, the smaller the WR the smaller the window a QB has to squeeze the ball and get it to them, whereas with a Larry Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson it’s okay to throw high, or have less than ideal accuracy because they have the height to go up and get it in traffic.
For a QB who already has some accuracy issues like Cam it would behoove the Panthers to pair Smith (who can already make catches in traffic) with a taller receiver who can do the same. Armanti Edwards has amazing ability, but his hands aren’t there yet to make up for imperfect passes
That's partly what makes Olsen such a weapon for us.
Although that first ball he caught Friday night was going to get stuck in his face-mask if he didn’t catch it.
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Just because I've never thought about it until now...
How long is Olsen under contract? Is this his…last year of the rookie deal?
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He signed a 4 year extension
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Man
The more I think about that pick up, the more I realize what an amazing deal we got for it. I could not be more satisfied.
by aceofsween on Aug 22, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.... think about what transpired today
The Raiders just spent a 3rd round pick on a QB with no passing skills who they will have to convert to WR or TE.
We spent our 3rd round pick on a player who’s already there and had NFL success with better hands than Pryor could possibly have
Wow, I was hitting post right as that popped up.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
We spent our third rounder on Olsen
The Raiders spent their third rounder on Terrelle Pryor.
AHAHAHAHA!
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
A 3rd rounder for a potential All Pro TE?
Yeah, I think jerry angelo is due for a lobotomy.
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Especially if the rumors are true and Martz is gunning for a HC job somewhere
Chicago’s offense is going to be a hot mess if they have to switch to yet another scheme in a year or two. And I’m sure that Cutler won’t be sticking around if he has to learn a fourth system in 5 years.
Chicago is on a downward swing until they get new ownership and a new GM.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
I think Martz is very close to becoming unemployable.
If Chicago isn’t successful this season, I see him joining the ranks of Dennis Green and Jim Fassel. Once very successful, now can’t sniff and opportunity in the NFL.
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Thanks, guys.
I don’t know how that slipped past me…guess it happened over the weekend, when I am generally out of the loop.
Good. I started to pee a little at the thought that he might be a free agent soon.
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My thoughts exactly.
Olsen will be huge for the Panthers this year.
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
Not your intention.. but you made a great point at the beginning that relates to our QB play too...
No WR in the NFL can get open all the time, they’re always going to have to fight in traffic and make receptions while being blanketed unless they’re playing against sub-par competition.
Jimmy has far too much fear to throw into any type of coverage it seems. In the NFL nobody is going to get WIDE open unless it’s on a broken coverage 90% of the time. You’ve gotta have the balls (and confidence in yourself) to throw the ball where your guy can get it.
Good point
There’s a reason the ‘gunslinger’ types tend to be favorites in the locker room a lot of the time. When Farve (or Delhomme closer to home) is willing to throw the ball into tight windows it sends a message to the receivers that the QB has faith in them to win the battle with the DB. When a QB throws the ball away and the WR thinks he was open it has the reverse effect.
WRs are a fragile bunch who need their ego as much as their 40 time… start messing with their confidence and they start to go South… it’s just one of the idiosyncrasies of the position. The aforementioned Favre was known on occasion to throw an INT almost intentionally if he felt his WRs needed a boost
And Favre probably kissed the ball and mouthed “This one’s for you, Sidney” as he tossed it to Darren Sharper in the 2010 NFC Title Game.
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by BW Smith on Aug 22, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
*obviously I meant 2009...
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I read that in Favre's voice.
LOL.
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They do! Holy crap I've never thought of that before until now.
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Real. Open Fly. Jeans.
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by BW Smith on Aug 22, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The end of the Force Out rule ended the chance of two short WRs starting on the same team
Short receivers simply can not run sideline routes anymore unless they get massive separation. Otherwise, you have to put the ball high, they jump up and get it, then get pushed OOB and it doesn’t mean a damn thing. Smith’s decline is tied directly to that rule change.
Given the offensive system, those routes will be used frequently. You can’t do them as often as needed by the system with two 5’10’’ WRs.
Smith's decline is tied directly to the fact he's lost a step.
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Because its impossible
That a WR that’s now over 30 has lost a step? Guys like Smith don’t age well.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 22, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Shush. It's 'haterade'.
He hasn’t had numerous injuries to his legs, nor is he over 30 now. He’s as fast as evah!
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That's silly. Smith doesn't age.
He just stays the same age, forever.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what you guys are doing, and I don’t like it. ;)
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:) Good.
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were y'all, I'd put these on:
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Those are pretty bitchin' awesome.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like us to pick up...
A non-flashy Ricky Proehl—Mark Carrier type pocession receiver. One that is smart enough to run past the damn first down marker and get open and… is this asking to much… catch the damn ball! We need first downs.
by Panthster on Aug 22, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
THIS!
One that is smart enough to run past the damn first down marker and get open
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on Aug 23, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Great 53 Man Roster Breakdown "James"
The only real questions I have are:
Why not put OLB Jason Williams on the PUP list until midseason, and then decide if he needs to go on IR, he has loads of talent, but just needs to recover from his knee injury?
I haven’t heard yet, how long is Barnidge likely to be out, and if it’s only 2-4 games in the regular season, do you think he might get a roster spot?
The Panthers might need a bigger backup DE than Brown or Norwood.
I love that you have Bell making the rost over Duke Robinson.
- Putting Williams on the PUP means we have to save a roster spot for him. He’s just not good enough to save a spot for like that.
- Barnidge is out for 12 weeks, that is confirmed. So at best we’d be holding a spot for 10 games… as a 3rd string TE he’ll need to be on IR.
- They could make a move at DE depending on how this week goes
- Bell’s shown more… much more, so much that I think we’d lose him if he went to the PS. I think it makes more sense.
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
"James" I Thought Players On PUP Don't Count Against A Roster Until They Are Activated
Have they changed that this year? I don’t remember Williams practicing yet, so it seem like he’s eligible for the PUP list.
The Panthers wouldn’t have to activate Williams until the 6 throgh 9th week, and if he’s not ready they can put him on IR then. With the injury history of Connor and Davis the Panthers might need another LB by midseason.
by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right... they don't count
They count against the cap, but not the 53… I was wrong. That being said, I still don’t think he’s good enough to save a spot for. Omar Gaither pretty much took his roster spot away.
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
1 More Question "James"
As big as Bell is (335+ pounds) , don’t you think he would be better at RG/RT with Bernadeau (308 pounds) at LG?
by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would we ever want Berny at LG when we have Wharton?
by Fernando De La Cruz on Aug 23, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He probably is discussing depth, not starters.
At least I hope. I actually think Wharton would be good at RG—in pass pro…not so much with the run-blocking.
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Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification
Personally I love Wharton on the left side of the line. Wouldn’t want to move him. The real lynchpin of our line is Otah. Without him there it forces us to put in either Schwartz or Gary Williams in at T and neither of them are starting caliber players at that position. Schwartz was made to be a G and he’s a pretty decent one.
Berny, on the other hand… ugh… #smh I swear that guy plays on tonka trucks (I just can’t see an OLineman that big in roller skates).
by Fernando De La Cruz on Aug 23, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
An o-lineman on roller skates probable looks something like
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 23, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is so funny that I’m going to ignore the fact that you misspelled probably.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Damn. I should have proofed that.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 23, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes. You should have.
You are hereby fined 50 Schrute Bucks and must forfeit one of your internets.
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My precious! No!!!
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 23, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Like your roster, but I would HAVE TO find a spot for Charly Martin.
Too much energy, and impact on ST, to not have him on the team.
Though it leaves little depth on the OL, I shudder that MacBern gets a uni, and Martin doesn’t.
At this point, I’ve seen Nothing from Naanee to justify keeping him over Martin, either.
I love Charly Martin… it’s just near impossible to find a spot for him. While I agree with you about Naanee, it seems the coaching staff are in love with him so I was trying to account for that
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, unless he actually shows up in this game, I'll stick by my comparison.
Naanee has 1 catch, for a paltry 4 yds, vs Martin’s 2, for 36.
Too small a sample, I agree, to base one’s decision on, but Martin’s value on ST has to weigh extra for him. Let’s see how it plays out this game.
I don't get it either
Martin was extremely good on special teams last season and given that he has been more productive than Naanee, I just don’t see why Naanee sticks over him.
Was Naanee signed to a contract? With guaranteed money?
Not saying it’s right, but that alone could get him a spot over Martin if we have to pay him either way.
Probably on PUP and we don't pick up a vet.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
I was thinking IR
He hasn’t even been able to pass a physical to begin practicing yet. I think long term it will be better to hold him out and let him get back to 100% than rush him and have a Thomas Davis 2.0 with his ACL
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
You are probably right
I couldn’t remember the rule about Rookies and IR. But as he has been practicing lately I wasn’t sure if they would wait to give him a chance in a few weeks.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
That makes sense.
But still feels like a kick in the dick…You’d like to think that the first pick of the fourth round could be somebody who helps immediatly, particularly when you’re coming off an 2-14 season. But I can revert back to April and see that minus the knee he had 2nd round grades…so another good building block for the future, one hopes.
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It has been my experience with ACL injuries that the more you can rehab the better off y ou are,
as well as it can take up to about 2 years to get close to where you were as far as speed goes.
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by Lesbian Montgomery on Aug 22, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve Reed a couple weeks ago said he won't be a factor this season
He just won’t be up to speed via health or via practice in time to make any meaningful contribution
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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to see Bell projected to make it
Sucks to lose Guy. I was really hoping that he held on another year, especially since his returns last week were one of the bright spots of the game. There is no way to keep him though now that AE is coming into his own and we also picked up Pilares. Totally sucks, and I hope another team takes a chance on him.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
I agree...I've always had a really good feeling about him..to bad he's just never had a chance under Fox
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by UNCMattyt99 on Aug 22, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess it doesn't make any sense in keeping the young kicker..
Having a guy that can make a 65 yard field goal would come in handy.. but I know we don’t have the space for that. Especially with Mare’s contract.
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Not sure if you ever watched warm ups at the stadium
But that feat isn’t all too uncommon. I remember watching Kasay line up from that far out, if not further, and blast them through the uprights during warm ups. The problem is that in a game situation, you have to be able to clear the D-Line. Because of the distance, you have to kick it at such a sharp angle that it’s nearly impossible to get it through.
According to several people
Whenever Jason Elam set the record for longest FG, he was routinely hitting them from 70+ yards in practice.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 22, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah… you know that was my last cut from 54-53, I had a “veteran cut” listed behind Smitty at WR. I could definitely see it happening depending on who’s available.
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure we'll find anything better than we already have
We have plenty of capable #3 or #4 WR’s. We lack a true #2… But is anybody so deep at WR that they’d cut somebody that good, that we could actually afford?
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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The way this offense is setup...
…especially if they set it up like the Chargers, there is a #1 WR and #1a WR (which is actually the TE). The #2 WR is only expected to catch about 30 balls. The question is do we have a guy on the roster that can catch those 30 balls or not. If yes, then we need to focus on a vet DT or CB.
LaFell caught 30 last year, in only 14 games, and only 2 starts.
Don’t see why that shouldn’t improve this year.
Yeah uhm... last year isn't quite the model of success
It might not improve because he doesn’t appear to be putting in even half the effort of guys like AE.
But continuing the Chargers example, they have a #1 WR and a #1 TE, then they spread the ball around among a number of nobodies… Maybe that’s our forte. LaFell, AE, Nannee and Pilares splitting up the #2/#3 catches???
STEVE SMITH!
Let's put a little perspective on Friday's game...
And keep in mind, I’m NOT saying we’ll be this bad this year…
In only 2 quarters, Chad Henne threw for 60 more yards than our 2 QBs combined through 4 quarters. (I’m not as concerned about this)
Miami had 2 RBs both rush for more yards in 2 quarters, than all of our RBs combined through the entire game. (I’m very concerned about this)
Now, if I can’t be a little negative after a performance like that… Then when can I be???
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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Geeez... I sure hope so
If we look like this against the Bengals, then you’re really going to hate me next week.
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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense, but if we look that bad against the Bengals
I think you will be the least of our worries.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
If we look like we did against Miami when we play the Bengals, I'll be riding shotgun on your negative nancy bandwagon.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
It'd be the hayride to Hell, with me on the back, too.
No bands playing, just a couple old mules pulling the hearse.
Save me a seat too....
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on Aug 22, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to say it...
I think the coaches will continue to guard the playbook. I think they are comfortable with the execution during the first game and in practice and will continue the john fox calls.
If I am right, I would not get to excited about the losses. The regular season opponents with think its the same old lame panther offense and then BAMF will open up a can of Chud during regular season.
by Panthster on Aug 22, 2011 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
to opening a can of Chud. nice analogy for opening up the playbook
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by numero uno panther on Aug 22, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
First, I agree we PLAYED horribly
But I think our lack of success had a lot to do with 1) seeing Cam pass as much as possible 2) which limited our runs (when and what type) 3) we had 2 very capable backs out 4) preseason play calling
Even D’angelo went on facebook to express this.
The game Friday is not an indication of what the 2011 Panthers will be about. Please don’t lose sight of this being the preseason and the fact that our playbook is trimmed significantly. However, we will correct our mistakes…Panthers fans UNITE and lets take the NFL by storm…. or I will settle for raising some hell. lmao
This per Ol’ Uncle Munnerlyn’s fan shot
by epique11 on Aug 22, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree, Agree, Agree, Partially agree
You weren’t on the other thread. But I’m far more concerned about our D-line than our offense.
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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I saw it and didn't reply
You beat me to the punch. We were on skates Fri. Just embarrassing. EB is the least of our worries. However given his 2 seasons I understand the frustration
Something to add about the backs
Miami plays in a fat boy conference. While the Pats do spread it out, the lines of both the Pats and Jets feature a lot of weight, so their defense is geared towards breaking up that pocket. Even though they are a 3-4, the defenses in that division do not play the fast back to the edge very well. As you know, we only had DW in for three plays and Goodson was out the entire game. We played entirely to their strengths.
Our division is loaded with athletic 4-3 DL that are good at containing the QB but not so great at managing the power run, due to lack of talent at the LB position (other than us). We also have a lot of cover-2 soft coverage looks in the NFCS. From a strategic POV, we are going to gash teams that lose contain on Cam and our TEs will be able to create mismatches in our division. That’s certainly something to look forward to.
Nope
I don’t see it. He’s lost his step, can’t do anything more than be a slot receiver and there are better options out there including…. gulp…. TO
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And if he can hold up
He seems to be becoming the Shaq of the NFL. Different team each year just trying to hold on. After wasting a roster spot that probably cost them the playoffs, I don’t want to see a guy like that around regardless of attitude.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
are u talking of TO?? Oi2wrld?
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 22, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
he was cincy’s number 1 last year…. i don’t see it being a wasted roster spot.
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 22, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
1. He’s coming off an injury.
2. He’s a year older.
3. He carries a reputation of being a locker room cancer.
I just don’t think TO is a fit for this team.
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read my next statement
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 22, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and BTW he used to be a cancer but after dallas he seems to have
oh and BTW he used to be a cancer but after dallas he seems to have pulled his head out of his ass….
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 22, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know why it did that lol
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 22, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
2 years of being good don’t outweigh the first 5+ years of being a self-centered douche.
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by BW Smith on Aug 22, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am
I probably should have been more clear though. Shaq cost Boston the playoffs because they kept his ailing ass rather than holding on to a good center.
Now to TO. TO is a WR who is getting older and is going to fall off any day now. Unless we are sure he will be healthy, and we are honestly shooting for the playoffs, I don’t see a lot of upside. And while he was Cincy’s #1 receiver last year, Palmers best weeks were when TO and Ocho were injured. As I would rather have Cam do well than TO do well, I will stick with who we have and hope to develop some of our talent.
Worst case scenario we pick in the top 10 and get Kalil’s little brother.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
And
We already have one guy who can be a pain in the ass when he’s not getting the ball. Not sure we want another. But man…we have had the damnedest time finding a #2 WR. That, coupled with the DT position, seems to be one of Marty’s lesser strengths.
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Beats the piss out of me.
I see either rookie beating him out (Bell or Ziemba).
No ill will of course, but the kid just doesn’t look like an OL. His HS coaches should have moved him to NT. But maybe he ain’t got the fight.
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He's probably the one that donated his heart to JR.
God knows he doesn’t show that he’s got any when blocking.
(Sorry in advance, that one’s borderline)
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Meh...
…but it’s still funny.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
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by The Duke Dude on Aug 22, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking mark clayton if he is healthy… he was lighting it up last year before he got injured
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 22, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't he sign with Indy?
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull
by The Duke Dude on Aug 22, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he personally ready?
Geez, that’s heavy. I don’t know. You’d have to think so.
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I guess the better question is that whether he has placed himself in that position
He had periods of really good play last year.
Has anything changed in his game. I have to admit I never really watched him play much….
To me he's been getting pushed around for three years.
But he’s been lucky enough to stay on or near a roster than has had one of the worst groups of interior defensive lineman in the bast two or three seasons.
Friday night, I thought our defense was respectable until he and McClain came in with the second group. There were few if any negative plays for the MIA offense until the third group came in, and at that point on I thought we outplayed their third team, for what that’s worth.
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He may not be
But I’m certainly ready for him to be. We made a mistake in keeping him over Landri, IMO.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 22, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Norwood, but did anyone else notice him getting swallowed whole by the
Dolphins O-line? I mean I know that’s what the Dolphins O-line does…but he did the ‘screw-it-I-give-up’ a number of times. I’m not trying to be disparaging about Norwood, just double-checking what I saw. (I had a crazy weekend and haven’t been able to follow-up on previous threads)
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To me it showed that he is a complimentary player
From what I hear, he is a hard worker and will continue to improve.
Last week’s game against Miami was a wake up call and get back to the grind. They used their first string against our 1 1/2 string. For me it menas we need to stay healthy, period!
Wake up call
I kept saying to my buddy that I was watching the Miami game with me that this is the only good I see coming from this game.
Hopefully this was a wake up call to the entire team to get their shit together. I realize it was preseason, vanilla, etc. etc., but if we were using it as an opportunity to gauge talent it was a massive failure on said talents part.
by MindMachine on Aug 22, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He has been a little lost, yes.
But remember, he played mostly linebacker last season. You could say that this is his first year at DE.
Also, if you are the starting RDE (like he was Friday), which Miami offensive lineman do you lineup against every play?
Yep. That one.
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by ERL on Aug 22, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
excellent point! Agree
He is one of those hybrid players. Originally brought in as a linebacker and special teams player. Fox reduced his capacity to progress.
Yeah I was totally giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one
But, I guess it was how utterly overmatched he looked. I’m sure Jake Long makes good defensive ends look bad all of the time, but I don’t get to see it every weekend. :-(
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Rec'd
Norwood weighs in at 241. Jake Long weighs in at 317. Any surprise that Bush had giant lanes to run through? We won’t run into this kind of O-line during the regular season very often. If we have a Cinderella season and make it to the playoff, then we’ll need to worry a bit about this. The perennial AFC contenders include some very large offensive lines.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Aug 22, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Our entire D-line is undersized. It's going to be an issue going forward.
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You are correct. My bad
He was up against Lydon Murtha. 6-7, 315 pounds.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Aug 23, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope I never have to see
- Keiser again. He played almost all of the game and didn’t show anything until the last quarted when he was playing the 5th string. I will cringe if I see him playing this week
by TXPanther on Aug 22, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
#61
Don’t know how that didnt come out correctly
by TXPanther on Aug 22, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Him and Chinasa have played a lot of snaps the last two weeks.
I think we will be looking to add at least one veteran DE and DT after final cuts.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Last I saw it was set for next Tuesday (Aug. 30th)
http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2011/08/nfl-rosters-to-cut-down-to-80-players.html
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You know... I've come to terms with this and the loss of Ron Edwards
When I look at this time last year we had Thomas Davis and Jeff Otah out for the season. Those are by far bigger losses than Gettis and Edwards.
It sucks losing both of them and they both hurt a lot due to being positions of need, but man did our line suffer last year with out Otah.
I think those are two huge losses for us. If Gettis were playing, we'd have our #2
And Ron Edwards provided a veteran presence at DT, something we sorely need.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
They are...
I’m not downplaying the losses really because I know they hurt.
My point is simple.
Edwards was not on the team last year so that doesn’t really set us back any further, yes we were counting on him and I had high hopes for him, but I’d rather lose him than Otah.
Gettis hurts too. Before my next comment, I do like Gettis and have high hopes for him as well. That said, he has not proven himself to be a superstar yet. From all accounts, neither him nor Lafell stepped up in camp. In fact, neither of them stepping up prompted us to go out and get Naanne (who also has not stepped up). I know we all like Gettis and hope he is our answer, but at this point he is not a proven #2 receiver in the NFL.
Don’t hate on me! lol. I’m just saying our losses could have been much worse than Gettis and Edwards.
WRs take time to transition
That’s what gives me hope for the future. Our porblem was that we were never able to adequately address this situation for the last…. oh… 6 years. I mean think about all the WRs that have come and gone for us. The only meaningful acquisitions we’ve made were Keyshawn Johnson, who we cut for DUI, and Moose, who was in the last days of his career.
Keary Colbert, D.J Hackett, Drew Carter, Ryne Robinson, Kenny Moore… you know what I’m going to stop before I turn into ST.
Right
Again, I like Gettis and think he did great given the terrible situation of last years offense.
Just saying it could have been much much worse. I hope Gettis comes back next year and shows us he’s capable of being a #1 in the NFL, but at this point neither Ron Edwards or David Gettis are PROVEN impact players to the level of Thomas Davis and Jeff Otah.
DAMN BARNIDGE
I didn’t realize that Barnidge broke his ankle, I was hoping it wasn’t that bad. I was looking at keeping 6 WR also (mainly Clowney) but the numbers are just not adding up. I don’t see anyone on that list of 53 I would cut to keep him. Here is to hoping that Olsen will be the legit #2 i think he will be. Honestly I think he will lead the team in catches and possibly yards this year. I think with Lafell and Smitty will be able to handle the load with AE filling in the slot role, and I have a feeling that Olsen will get lined up everywhere possible. I believe he already caught a ball out of the backfield with Cam last week and has been lined up split wide also
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It's not the place... but it is amusing
Raiders spend a 3rd round pick on Terrelle Pryor.
My headline: “Troubled corpse drafts troubled star”
Well, they did lose Zack Miller.
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Don't tell Oakland fans that
Oh HELL Yeah!
That young man just need some time with a clipboard and he will be AWESOME. IMHO of course ;)
Ladies and Gentlemen, I believe we got our QB of the future!
Wow.
Hope springs eternal.
What is he gonna get out of holding a clipboard? A good surface to roll one on? Oh, I got it:
If the clipboard has a Raiders logo on it he can sell it?
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bwahahahaha
What makes it better is that the Raiders now don’t have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick next year
That's actually good...it's less picks for Al to screw up.
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If this were a 'New Yorker' cartoon I'd say something pithy and political here...
So here’s my attempt
“I do believe Al Davis will spend his 2012 1st round pick on Moammar Gadhafi”
LOL
I don’t even know where to begin…
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Now that one is actually pretty funny.
Its the simple ones sometimes. You know, like a joke Leslie Neilson would barb quickly in one of his movies…
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Frank: Now, Jane, what can you tell us about the man you saw last night?
Jane: He’s Caucasian.
Ed: Caucasian?
Jane: Yeah, you know, a white guy. A moustache. About six-foot-three.
Frank: Awfully big moustache.
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Leslie Neilson...
….Hollywood will never be the same without him.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on Aug 22, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That Terrelle Pryor...
Is a “great playa”, get over it.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 22, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Holding the clipboard,
he has to do something during the suspension.
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Well, at least they didn't shoot anybody over it.
Just in case they know where I live……..Congratulations Raiders fans! Hope Pryor turns out to be everything you expect him to be.
I’m going to purchase a kevlar vest and flak jacket now.
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LOL
Perhaps Al drafted him because he thought he was Richard Pryor?
Al: Get that Pryor kid…he makes me laugh.
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by BW Smith on Aug 22, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Awesome!
For what it’s worth McShay is mocking them
Todd McShay
Raiders are putting together a gold medal Olympic relay team. That’s the goal, right?
hahahaha
Now if they can just get Usain Bolt a work visa he will have the team set.
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by BW Smith on Aug 22, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Holy Sh** I almost did a spit take all over my laptop from that.
MF’n REC’D!
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
Might as well add Forest Gump to that list. Not very smart, but the boy can run and return KO’s the distance man!
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Nah…he ate way too many doughnuts while he was in Carolina to return kicks anymore.
(See what I did there?)
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Had to green that.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
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by The Duke Dude on Aug 22, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Just put out on ESPN. Pryor only player selected in the supplimental draft.
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
So, where does that leave the other guys that were in it? Are the UDFA’s now or something?
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Yeah
Sign me up for McAdoo and the DT right now.
I know McAdoo came in light, but no risk in working him out…
We have a great shot with McAdoo
Local guy and DL is depleted.
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by Lesbian Montgomery on Aug 22, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa....
….wonder if Marty’s on the phone with McAd’s agent right now?
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull
by The Duke Dude on Aug 22, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Rivera was at the pro day
But I don’t know if they were even looking at him. They may have just been looking at Austin. I guess they saw Burney though, so maybe they saw McAdoo as well.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull
by The Duke Dude on Aug 22, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I just went back and checked...
…and according to the News & Observer, he didn’t participate in the UNC pro day with everyone else. Well, he wasn’t listed as a participant (Link)
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull
by The Duke Dude on Aug 22, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Were we at Jimmy’s pro day? Is that necessarily a prerequisite to simply kicking the tires?
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Not for the big name players
But there’s likely significantly less scouting reports and tape on someone like McAdoo.
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by Jake Humphrey on Aug 22, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know a thing about the kid, other than he played a little at UNC.
I just wanted to bust Oldy’s balls.
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LOL!
At least you’re up front about it.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull
by The Duke Dude on Aug 22, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad you feel that way.
Otherwise it wouldn’t be any fun.
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Exactly. For guys like this, where you're basically going off how athletic they are
as they don’t usually have much game tape, turning up to their pro day is vital if you have an interest.
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Well...we could certainly bring him in for a workout.
Which would be pretty awesome actually. But would he really be an upgrade for us? I know he’s a pretty good size.
I read that he was just a rotational player. UNC fans, was that because he was just buried on a stacked D-line, or was he just not that good?
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull
by The Duke Dude on Aug 22, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Tar Heel fan..........
but I’d rather stay away from this one. He’s too lanky of a guy. I just don’t see him ever being able to put on the kind of weight needed to compete at this level. Not to mention his pad level is usually too high and he doesn’t (or can’t) bend his ankles well enough to get low.
I think he’s a great kid, but he’s built to be a WR or maybe a TE (and that’s a big maybe), not an NFL DE.
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Are you fucking kidding me? This was so predicatable.
The first time I heard Pryor’s Pro-day numbers I automatically thought that the raiders were looking at him purely because of his 40 yard dash speed but then I was like “no they couldn’t be that stupid, shallow, and stereotypical”. I guess I was wrong, they are that stupid, shallow, and stereotypical.
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by Efury on Aug 22, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Otah REALLY worries me..
A man as large as he is with bad knees makes getting healthy a tough prospect. I think we’ve seen this with him and I have the nagging suspicion it will continue. I hope I’m wrong because he was such a force when healthy.
He came in with injury issues too
If I recall that’s why he fell down to… 19th (something like that I think?) when we drafted him. He has the skills and the size just not the health…
Other than a high ankle sprain before the combine.........
I don’t recall Otah having an injury history. Most likely reason for dropping in the draft was that he was a JUCO transfer that just hadn’t played a lot of football. He was a high school basketball player. I believe he only played two seasons at Pittsburgh.
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IIRC he played his senior season with an ankle issue.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
For people who say he doesn't love the game
just look at that. I know from personal experience high ankle sprains are really tough, I have a ton of respect for anyone who can do anything as physical as football while dealing with that. He has shown he can play through injuries, I’d wait until he actually misses some regular season games before blowing the whistle on his career here.
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 23, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
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