What can Brown do for us?
This post is a catharsis of sorts as I finally need to come to terms with the fact that Everette Brown just might not have 'it'. Entering his third season I was sure he was going to become a different player in a mobile, blitz happy scheme that would allow for him to move around the field a little more, ultimately rewarding his speed rather than playing solely on the edge and getting him into a strength battle. Since Brown's first season in Carolina he's bulked up considerably, adding between 15-20 lbs to his frame while retaining his speed (not easy to do), but in the end this has seemed to be for naught.
Greg Hardy, a 2010 6th round pick is now the starter at RDE and it appears the first man off the bench will be 4th round pick Eric Norwood. At this point Brown is buried on the chart, and deservedly so, he just doesn't make enough of an impact on the field regularly. A few months ago I looked at some charting statistics for Hardy and Brown that put both players on the precipice of making an impact, and they did in the limited snaps they had in 2010. However, while Hardy will get a shot to showcase his ability, Brown is mélange of mediocrity.
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When the Carolina Panthers made the bold trade to sacrifice their 1st round pick in 2010 to select Everette Brown in 2009 and Mike Goodson (the Panthers got the 49ers 4th round pick in the trade) I liked the deal out of the gate. I felt that Brown projected better to the NFL than the 1st/2nd round DEs set to enter the league in 2010; thus far the only DE who the Panthers could have selected who has made has made an impact is the Bengals' Carlos Dunlap.
Brown looked like a poor man's Dwight Freeney, undersized? Sure, but he showed an insatiable motor at FSU and never gave up on plays. When you see this kind of effort being put forth in college, defensive players normally transition well, typically the busts are players who the college game came easily to, but can't make an impact in the NFL are aren't willing to put the work in. As it stands we've never heard of Brown being a lazy player in practice, or having a bad attitude... he just doesn't effect the game like he should be able to when given his shots.
In this way Brown could very well be the Matt Moore of the defense; a player who can perform well when he steps in for limited time, but when the spotlight is on and he needs to take his spot he falters. Never has this been more prevalent than during the 2011 preseason where he was given a chance to start against New York, and get significant playing time against Miami, but has yet to register a single tackle. This, coupled with a stupid unnecessary roughness penalty against the Dolphins that cost the Panthers 15 yards (which led to a FG) put the cherry on the top of an inauspicious way to start 2011.
This season is all about players stepping up, grabbing the brass ring and not letting go. We've seen all manner of players doing just this from Cam Newton and Armanti Edwards on offense, to Sione Fua and Corvey Irvin on defense- players who are stepping up, doing what they can and earning a spot on the starting team. Thus far it has been Everette Brown's opportunity to lose, and he's done a very good job squandering it. Unfortunately, my optimism for his future as an impact player is gone, and hopefully he can do something for us in the future.
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It's a shame.
But unless he has some kind of breakthrough during the season, it’s about time to label him a ‘bust’.
it says something when norwood is higher in the depth chart
He’s well undersized for a DE, brown should be much better but he just isn’t. To be honest I think all brown can do for us is free up a roster spot
by LimeyPanther on Aug 22, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think we should just cut a guy who managed to get 3 sacks in each of his two seasons while playing a limited role. he’s not completely worthless.
I agree...
We all would love to see Brown succeed and he has yet to get his chance to play everydown. His mop-up role has been good, but his spin move just kills me… its sooooo ineffective. I don’t think I would toss him to the wolves.
Ron Rivera likes to keep his players guesssing and working hard to get the most out of them. I do think that Brown is better than advertised. I would call him a bust though.
"It is now official... Cam Newton is now the face of our franchise.
by Caro2daheart... on Aug 22, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the only way I could see it being effective...
Line him up at RDE, have him spin to the inside, then blitz the CB to the vacated area, as the OT takes Brown out of the play. Call it the decoy spin dog.
It sucks because it seems like he has all the drive in the world
I just don’t get how he has not been able to put it together to be more than he is. Maybe he will make a great coach, but as he has not been able to add to his roster of moves i can only infer that he isn’t a student of the game. Whatever it is, I don’t see his contract getting renewed.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
I think this is an example of incredible heart, not so incredible talent...
I love Brown’s grit and determination, but no matter how gritty or how determined you are if you don’t have the natural talent you’ll never be more than a third down guy or even a bench warmer in the NFL. Brown is like Sean Astin’s “Rudy”… It really is a shame though because he seems to want it more than anyone.
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
by Panther4Life!!! on Aug 22, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I never saw this "drive" that people talk about
I remember him doing exactly what he did in college… Quick spin move, and if that didn’t work he got swallowed up.
STEVE SMITH!
Maybe in college he used more than one spin move.
Like spin spin spin spin sack!
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he'd transition well a la Dwight Freeney
but I turned out to be wrong.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
lmao
That picture & caption is KILLING me. Especially the look on that guy’s face, like “Still with me so far? Good.”
As for the subject matter, we’re fortunate to have someone (Hardy) to step right in once the decision was made that Brown isn’t producing well as a starter. Maybe this will be a wake up call like Irvin obviously received when he was cut last season. The only question I have now is how Everette will respond after his demotion.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
LOL I know that dude.
And he’s hilarious.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I always liked him, especially on madden. Sucks he not doing much of anything. Here’s to hoping a miracle happens and he turns it around.
by doug2626 on Aug 22, 2011 9:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Just a bad draft decision...
The Goodson pick somewhat salvages it though, sadly. Brown has gone from having a shot to start, to now he should worry about losing his spot on the team to a guy like Ugo Chinasa.
Right player, wrong system
The guy fits the 3-4 OLB mold much better than 4-3 DE. Now that he’s bulked up, he might not even fit the 3-4 OLB mod anymore b/c his burst has tailed off a little. He just doesn’t have the lower body strength to play with his hand in the dirt.
Brown...
may have saved us from drafting Jimmy with our 1st rd pick. It still would have been nice to get an instant impact player with the pick. Ugggg.
If we had kept our first round pick...
We might have brought Jimmy in for a work out and realized what everyone who passed on him did.
I'm getting EXTREMELY concerned about our D-line
MIA wasn’t doing anything special most of the time… They were just abusing us between the tackles. Fua looked like a rag doll. And whatever Corvey Irvin did in camp obviously meant squat.
Charles Johnson is our only legit starter. But it was way too easy for MIA to double him, because nobody else could even remotely take advantage of it.
I’m sorry but Greg Hardy alone isn’t going to make that big of a difference. They have to pick up 1 maybe even 2 starting DT’s, and maybe even another DE. Priority #1 IMO.
STEVE SMITH!
I totally expect them to address D-line with this cap space
But will it be enough this late in the game?
If not, I wouldn’t expect much from Johnson this year. Everyone’s gunning for him after his big pay day. He has to get some help to be effective again.
STEVE SMITH!
address the d-line with who exactly?
by LimeyPanther on Aug 22, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tank Johnson, Jamal Williams, Pat Williams, anybody!
Surely we’re not going to get the cream of the crop at this point. But they’re potentially better than what we got… Definitely more experienced. Heck, even convincing Kris Jenkins back into the league would be an improvement.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree.
But I will add (someone has surely already mentioned this) that we were playing a soft, cover 3 man all night. And the first team defense only gave up a TD—one that was highly contested with three goal-line stops. I wouldn’t say that we should be calling retirees at this point.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
*cover 2 man, sorry
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
So why did we do that?
To see what our player’s raw talent looked like, right? And what did we learn?
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Any offense that is not the 2010 Carolina Panthers...
SHOULD be able to move the ball against a soft cover 2 man defense. I was actually thoroughly impressed with the first defense during that series of plays on the goal-line.
Is it a problem? Probably. But that problem has the potential to become a bit smaller when you are actually game-planning.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
You were impressed that we let them put the ball on the 1 yard line?
The drive that led to 7 Miami points?
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
You are impossible.
Teams get scored on. Its what happens in football. Would you have preferred that we just lay down and let them walk into the endzone? This is a ridiculous comment, and you know it.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I think he truly would've preferred it.
That would’ve bolstered his opinion that the Panthers are a shit team, headed nowhere. (I’m paraphrasing, not quoting, st, but that’s the way you come across.)
No, I'm one of the few here that would like to see us actually improve
Which involves evaluating talent, and admitting when part of our team fails.
Some of you clearly would rather just fantasize.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Playing the martyr doesn't suit you ST
I can understand being the pessimist (or realist, depending on your outlook) but to act like you’re the only one who wants to see us improve while everyone else has their head in the sand is horse shit.
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I just made sure it did.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Let me rephrase
I want to see us improve our roster… Specifically at DT. You guys don’t. If you did, then you wouldn’t care about me mentioning how bad they looked.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that you refuse to consider putting it into context.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I understand the context
I’m just saying MIA was in the same context. And man on man our D-line wasn’t even in the same stratosphere.
Maybe McDermott can put a band-aid on some of that by game planning. But I’d still like to see us improve the talent on our D-line.
Give me a break! It’s not always roses in Panther land.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not always thorns either.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
When has it been roses?
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I have never seen James Dator call someone out in a thread like this
I agree with you ST if its regular season but its PRESEASON!
The team we trounced two weeks ago is annihalting the NFC North champion who came up one game short of the Super Bowl.
It’s talent evaluation time, with what fits them and what doesn’t.
Nothing more, nothing less. Hang in there dude. If we still see this game 3-6 IMO it’s time to worry.
by Swamp Panther on Aug 22, 2011 10:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ST and I have our back and forths like this at least once a year
It’s become a tradition for the last three seasons, and would be a shame to stop it now.
James Dator
And I have, sure he did me back in the day when I got outta line haha
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Aug 23, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Improvement?
Last season they walk into the endzone untouched on first and GL. This year?…Its gonna take four downs.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I would prefer for offenses not to drive the length of the field on every series
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Starters on starter was 7-0 in their favor.
“Every series” ?
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Many starters played much of the 1st half
And yes, MIA pretty much moved the ball at will, through the air or on the ground.
But it’s no big deal… They’re just better than us. Once we actually game plan, we’ll be the ones that are much better.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
The 1st team defense didn't play more than a quarter.
And as for your snarky statement at the end…save it for the regular season, cholo.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
lol!
I can’t believe you just called me “cholo”. I more of a montuvio.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Beason and CJ were bigger holes than you realize
I certainly do think Connor is a good LB, but he looked like ass trying to cover Bush between the tackles as soon as CJ was taken out (after first series punt). CJ put good pressure on Henne when he was in and got fouled when he beat his man twice. As soon as he was taken out, the DEs got tied up and Henne would scamper around them like they were nothing.
Yeah but in Connor's defense
Bush is just a lot better than him.
So I’ve learned today… You can’t hold that against him!
STEVE SMITH!
We weren't doing anything special either
Against the Giants, McDermott had the DL stunting a lot and moving around the line to cause confusion, this was fairly effective and we didn’t see any of it in against Miami. We saw a very boring, vanilla game on both sides of the ball. I’m hoping some creative scheming can bridge the gap for the lack of talent right now.
It’s weaknesses like the DL that is going to make us a 6-10 or 7-9 team. Can’t fix it all in one year
Yeah, but MIA and NYG weren't doing anything creative either
MIA just had more talent. So is McDermott’s play calling going to be so superior to our opponent’s OC, that it’s going to make up for a lack of talent?
My concern is that if our defense isn’t stout… Then what happens when Cam struggles to move the chains, due to being a novice? Do we quickly fall behind every game, and force Cam into the situation Clausen faced last year?
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
To give some perspective (because it’s needed) Miami do have arguably the best OL in the NFL now.
Jake Long/Richie Incognito/ Mike Pouncey/ Vernon Carey/ Marc Columbo are a seriously nasty group who don’t get enough credit because of where they play. All in all I’m not surprised, nor concerned they weren’t able to do much against them.
While they didn’t put up many numbers against the Giants they did do enough to get in Eli’s grill and throw off his cadence, and that was without Charles Johnson in the lineup. This week will be interesting, but I don’t think we’ll see an OL as good as Miami’s again this year.
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Great perspective James. I tried to temper my dissatisfaction with the d-line against Miami. We did play a very vanilla scheme. No blitzing at all. Lot’s of zone defense. I’ll be much more anxious about the defense if we get pushed around by Cincy’s offense though.
Plus, I thought the 1st group showed us some very promising things.
The goal-line stand was incredible, and in the regular season MIA kicks a FG on 4th down.
The 2nd team defense was the only unit that was thoroughly outplayed, IMO.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I thought the same about the goal line stand...
The TD didn’t bother me at all because like you said, in a regular season game that counts, they kick a FG, and Kraken probably blocks it.
Okay, maybe Kraken doesn’t block it, but still…holding them to what would have been 3 points when they had 1st and goal inside the 5 yard line is encouraging.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
And Thomas Davis looked like he was ready to play some GD football.
IIRC, he made at least two of the three goal-line stops.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
TD went in there and got him a GD snack on that stand.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Rex Ryan probably tossed his cookies if he watched that stand.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
It was nice...
I love seeing a defense deny an offense on goal line stands.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
So our excuse is "no big deal, those guys are really good"?
I’m not saying we should have had our way with Miami’s O-line. But getting completely man-handled doesn’t bother you guys?
I sure hope Rivera and Hurney are looking for FA’s, instead of just saying “oh well, they’re just better than us”.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
No excuses, but rather an understanding of what this team is and what it will be in 2011
It’s easy to point out problems without offering solutions. Right now heading into week three of preseason there aren’t any good options to help solidify the defensive line. Some desperate fans are advocating bringing in washed up players like Tank Johnson, that alone tells us how little talent there is available on the open market now.
This could change with cuts when teams are needing to choose between players with 2-3 years left in the tank vs. promising young players, but right now there’s not a good option. Does it bother me that Miami dominated them? Sure it does, but it doesn’t do any good to freak out over it.
We’re a 6-10 or 7-9 team this year, and I’d wager a good reason for those 9 or 10 losses will be a lackluster defensive line… unfortunately it’ll just take time.
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but I think another difficulty apart from our d-line will be our struggles with converting 3rd downs, which I fear may rear it’s ugly head again this year. Just one of the problems with a young signal caller.
I'm more comfortable chalking this up to what James said... "it's what this team is"
Cam is just going to have to learn under fire, how to move the chains in the NFL. I don’t think there’s any other way.
I just want a defense that helps keep us in games, while Cams figuring things out.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
This was pretty solid, Southy...
Gotta admit it.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I think this could be the difference in 7 wins and another 2-14 season
If our LB’s have to be creatively used every single play, to get pressure or stop the run, it won’t last. Team’s will find a way to move the ball on us. And I’ll say it again… Going down 2 scores to none in the 1st quarter every game, is NOT a good way to start off Cam’s career. That’s how you wreck it. We already learned this last year.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
The defensive line was FAR worse 12 months ago than it is now. Even if we have to start Irvin and Fua at DT with Johnson and Hardy at DE it’ll be better than the fail-train we put on the field last year.
Couple that with an offense that can’t possibly be worse and you’ll see more wins
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Uhm... Irvin couldn't even crack the roster on that fail-train.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
People. Get. Better.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Armanti Edwards didn't fair too well either
How’s that worked out so far?
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Great! And Armanti is our 3rd-4th WR
Irvin is our most capable DT, starting beside a rookie. Am I the only one that sees the difference?
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Likewise if AE was our #1 WR (as is Irvin), then I'd say we're screwed at WR too
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
To borrow one from BBA...
Me, after being hit squarely by a “I’m just going to be impossible” side-winder:

"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
by ERL on Aug 22, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 22, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't he hurt last year?
God forbid we put a healthy Neblett out there over an IR-bound Irvin.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I know...
But last year he was the unheard of guy who made the roster. Irvin was on IR last year. I was just making the point to our esteemed negative nancy that Irvin couldn’t make the roster last year because he was injured, not because he isn’t any good.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
Nick Hayden.
He and McClain were the ones who gave up much of that ’tweence the tackles yardage in the second and third quarters.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Beats me how Hayden stays on the roster.
Where’s the improvement that should come from starting experience.
Of all the DTs, he’s the most likely to be pushed around, or knocked off his feet. He makes 1 good play a game, I guess, and that’s what keeps him around.
I can't understand keeping Hayden
Then letting Landri go, he was best DT last year and not too bad.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
by gdhood on Aug 23, 2011 1:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah. The only way we go 2-14 is if JC or DA has to play the majority of the season..
And we have a rash of nasty injuries at LB, RB and in the defensive secondary (knock on wood).
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I know I'm the negative Nancy here
But I was also fighting these same battles last year this time. And even I was overly optimistic.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I was probably the only one who agreed with you about the DTs...remember?
Cody>>>>Jimmy Clausen? ’Member?
But I actually believe that while a bit patch-worked, this group can be serviceable for a season.
Also, we can’t really blame RR and MH for this…its not as if Ms Cleo was frantically trying to tell them not to sign Ron Edwards.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I guess I just wonder what the point of the battles are in the first place?
None of us can decide who’s on the roster, so we’re just trying to make the best of what we’ve got and if they sign someone then great.
I just think it’s pointless and premature to argue for why we’ll suck so bad
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
While true...
Curiosity has me wondering what it sounds like in the coaches’ meetings.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
You guys agree with me. You just prefer to be hyped up about the team.
Because clearly you watched the same 1st half of that game as me, where we only had possession of the ball 7 minutes.
You’re looking for bright spots on a cloudy day, and hoping for the best.
I get that I guess.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much
You’re looking for bright spots on a cloudy day, and hoping for the best.
I admit freely I am doing this, because I am just looking for growth. If I can ask you honestly, what are your expectations for this year?
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
I agree with you......
We sucked ass so badly in the Miami game that we should have been awarded the gold medal and league trophy for ass sucking. I just haven’t totally figured out why. We weren’t that bad against the Giants.
It would be great to get better at the DT position, but with who? At this point, we’d just be throwing good money on top of bad. Same for the CB position. There just aren’t many options out there that are better than what we already have.
At this point, I’m willing to give the new coaching staff the benefit of the doubt and see what happens. I spent most of last season in gloom and doom mode. I’m not starting this season off that way. I understand how you feel though.
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You’re looking for bright spots on a cloudy day, and hoping for the best.
Damn straight. I know for me at least, reality is shit right now. So if I have a chance to be excited about the one thing that can bring a tad of joy to my life, I’m not going to mope about it either. Especially if I have no way of affecting the outcome of the roster or a game.
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AHAHA
I just think it’s pointless and premature to argue for why we’ll suck so bad
Yeah, wait a few weeks until we have out roster settled and we will have concrete evidence for “why we’ll suck so bad.”
Having lower expectations for this year after the lofty ones I had a year earlier has made this preseason so much more bearable.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
PFF Said Fua Hasn't Been Able To Cross The Line Of Scrimmage In 2 Games
I’m not sure if ProFootbabbFocus.com wrote this off the top of ther heads or if it came from clossly watch both games.
by PanthersRoar on Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
That's not true at all
He was in Eli’s grill and almost got a sack game one… I remember that play well.
I don’t know what’s up over there, but ever since PFF went to a paid model their quality took a huge hit. It’s verging on unreliable at this point
by James Dator on Aug 22, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Corruption. Greed. Loss of direction/purpose.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
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Oh yeah, there was that ONE play
Lol. But in Fua’s defense, our “scheme” to get him over the line of scrimmage was very vanilla.
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what can they do?
There isn’t that much cap space to work with so unless your planning on a team cutting a solid starter that you can convince to come play here, which I don’t see happening, there isn’t much they can do. Of course i’m sure some of the fans are worried about the DT situation but like James said, you cant fix it all in one year.
by JStewart28 on Aug 22, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you guys should go and re-watch the first series. There's a reason CJ was taken out so quickly.
That’s because they had to foul the guy to stop him, which killed their drive. The second series they ran and played the Bush mismatch against tweener DEs and were able to sustain drives as a result.
Good point about the vanilla.
Everybody on the coaching staff, and the players, have said this will be an aggressive, proactive defense, not the lay back and react cover-2 we’re been accustomed to seeing. Yet not of that was evident last Friday.
Leads me to believe they were just using D sets to evaluate and get film on guys’ techniques in basic stuff. When the regular season rolls around, that’s when McDermott lets it fly. ‘Til then, we shouldn’t worry about it much. They’ll find out who makes the roster, and after that, the starters will work on carrying out the planned aggression. I don’t think our DTs were so bad as they seemed last game.
So what did they learn?
By “evaluate and get film on guys’ techniques in basic stuff”.
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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Which of the 8-10 DTs who saw the field can hold his ground at the point of attack, and which can get penetration.
They all got a fair shot – now cut the ones who got pushed around.
That’s the basic stuff. Later come the stunts and circles, and delayed blitzes.
No one got more pushed around more than Fua
I think we learned that no one on our d-line can “hold his ground at the point of attack, and get penetration.”
Not even Charles Johnson when he’s doubled.
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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny…that’s the same thought I had last year.
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~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Me too...
I remember we were the ones who wanted Mount Cody. Those 330 lbs of biscuits could sure help us out right now.
(I don’t really know how much he weighs. I suppose our resident height/weight/40-time specialist could help me out on that one.)
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Baltimore will have to get back to you on that...
They’re taking him down to shipping & receiving to throw him on the cargo scale…
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Holy crap... Even I'm not that crazy
Cam is the only think I have look forward to. No way this town can stomach another year of tha Jimmeh!
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Can we have peppers back?
its ashame we had Johnson burried on the depth chart when he was here, we would’ve had one of the best pass rushes in the league
excuse the langauage
But fuck peppers.
by LimeyPanther on Aug 22, 2011 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I was scratching my head
When I read the headline, I was trying to think of a player named brown from another team that you propose we get. When I realized it was about Everette Brown, I sighed. I thought he would show more this year but as was stated, he just seems to lack “it”. I have not given up all hopes but I have given up expectations.
Mike Iupati.
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~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
The truth hurts.
I really like Everette Brown. From day one with the team he has been a consummate professional. Several players, most importantly Jon Beason, have praised Brown for his work ethic and his professionalism. Beason even went so far as to say Brown acted and prepared like a veteran player, from day one. Unfortunately, Brown just doesn’t have the game to compete in the NFL. I never expected him to be Peppers’ replacement, but I did expect him to have more of an impact than he has.
Before totally giving up on the guy, I would have to give him some snaps at OLB just to see how he performs. This is obvious, so I assume that if the coaching staff doesn’t do it, it’s because they’re sure he can’t do it. Either way, it’s disappointing to say the least.
Here’s a couple of quotes from Coach Rivera:
Coach Ron Rivera explained that Norwood passed Brown because he’s been “more physical.” Norwood, an undersized (6’0/246) former linebacker, was the 124th pick in the 2010 draft. Brown was the 43rd pick in the 2009 draft, and the Panthers traded a future first-round pick to get him. That pick turned out to be Mike Iupati, who looks like a future Pro Bowler in San Francisco.
Rivera indicated Hardy has the size and make-up to be more effective as both a run-stopper and pass-rusher than Everette Brown and Eric Norwood. “It gives us two guys in Everette and Eric that are versatile guys that are really more outside edge players. And it doesn’t put the pressure on them to be every-down guys,” Rivera said. “They can come in and be part of a rotation and give you everything they’ve got for five or six snaps.”
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This is pretty much what we all expected anyway.
I mean, no one here thought that Brown was going to beat out Hardy. But the part I don’t like is Hardy only needed like three days in practice to win that other starting spot. I guess if you look at RR’s quote that doesn’t really matter—Brown just doesn’t have the size to play the run. Norwood doesn’t really either, but he looks like he could still add 15 pounds.
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~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Well, I think Hardy could be a pro-bowl calibre DE.
So hopefully it’s just a statement of how much faith the Panthers have in him.
I agree in that Hardy can become a pro-bowl calibre DE.
I don’t want to count my chickens before they hatch so to speak(<- Cam’s favorite phrase) but the guy is big and fast. I saw a little snippet of him practicing now that he’s gotten back from the accident and he looks really fast and explosive. Plus the guy realizes that he could’ve been dead and wants to play like it’s going to be his last time to play and I like that.
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Hardy winning the starting role, is more an indictment on our other DE's
Sure he has potential. But what has he done to deserve being able to completely miss practice and win the starting job, with a new coaching staff? Nothing. This says that our D-line is a huge weakness at this point.
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by southtunnel on Aug 22, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear what you're saying..........
But honestly, I’m more concerned with our offensive line than I am with our defensive line. All in all, I’m just concerned with our lines….period. Wish we would have done more to address the offensive line though.
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If Otah could play...
I know, that’s like saying “If I was well-hung” or “If blogging made you rich” or “If women found me attractive…”
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by ERL on Aug 22, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't help but lol at this.
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My two cents...
I think Everette Brown probably becomes one of those guys whose game just couldn’t translate to the NFL. Successful in college, certainly. Just undersized for the position he’s attempting to play with the big boys. Sadly, his speed and spin move gets swallowed up far too often by the O-linemen he’s facing. And once they get their hands on him, he’s done…either pushed offline from having a real chance at the QB…or thoroughly manhandled in run-blocking schemes.
I actually agree with the previous poster who mentioned he’s more of an OLB in a 3-4 scheme than a 4-3 DE. He might have flourished with a team like that. Instead, he’s just not a right fit for what we’re doing. Never was.
Now, that said, he’s still a threat on obvious passing downs. And, that’s really where he’s gotten his best pressure. Rivera is using him as a situational player, someone who can come in well-rested and fire off the line on 3rd downs against a (hopefully) tiring OT. That might still be worth having on our team. And, in a pinch, he can serve as a backup to CJ and Greg Hardy. That’s about the best we can expect of him. And, later, when his contract expires, I’d imagine we’ll let him test the free agency market rather than tying him up long-term.
He's definitely still worth keeping.
He’s just going to have to contribute with fewer opportunities.
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One answer
“NOT ONE DAMN THING”
Brown was a terrible draft pick by Fox and DC R. Meeks .
Rivera knows Brown is not starting quality which is why he is now behind C.Johnson, G. Hardy, and E. Norwood.
Honestly I wish we would just trade the guy and keep that Keiser DE at least he did something and had a couple of good DE stop’s last week’s preseason game.
Brown is simply to small sorry he needs to go an play in a 3-4 or switch to the LB position but either way it is simply not going to happen here b.c. with do play a hybrid defensive scheme but most of it is in 4-3 sets. Secondly, we are very, very deep at LB with Gaither, T. Williams, J. Williams, and L. Wilson (sixth round pick 2011 draft) so their is simply not spot for E. Brown in Carolina any longer not that in my opinion their ever was to begin with.
I swear I wish we could trade him for CB or DT help asap !. The idea of packaging E. Brown, M. Goodson, and a draft pick to get M. Williams would be so freaking sweet but we don’t have the cap space for M. Williams type contract so you can forget about it.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 22, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
Brown was a terrible draft pick by Fox and DC R. Meeks
Well, if you are going to throw Fox and Meeks under the bus, you better throw Hurney under there as well. He pulled the trigger on the trade.
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I had rather us pick up someone like White, than to keep Brown around on the team.
Coach Rivera, is a BAMF..

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