Dolphins Smack the Panthers in Preseason Victory 20 - 10
by Jaxon on Aug 19, 2011 11:01 PM EDT
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PrintThe Panthers got a little dose of reality tonight in a 20 - 10 loss to the Dolphins in a game that really wasn't as close as the score suggests. It's going to be hard to find something positive to write about from that first half. After the Panthers first team spotted the Dolphins a 17 point lead in the first half, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers mounted a late but futile comeback.
The Panthers did have a few bright moments and I can't certainly put up something completely negative. So here it goes:
- RB Terrell Sutton filled in nicely at RB and displayed the versatility OC Rob Chudzinski is sure ot love. Five rushes and five receptions for 63 yards and a TD. The TD was a very tough 4 yard score that included a 2nd and 3rd effort getting into the end zone.
- LB Thomas Williams led the Panthers with 6 tackles. He again looked good and will be a final cut down decision for sure
- There is no doubt this offense is much better when TE Greg Olsen is on the field. Though he only had two receptions he seems to be the first read for this offense right out of the gate. Don;t be surprised if he is our leading receiver through the 1st half of the season.
We got a little more after the jump...
The defense definitely got more conservative in this game. We didn't see near as many blitzes from the defense and the Panthers hardly ran the ball early; DeAngelo Williams only had 3 carries. Neither played to our strengths. The Dolphins on the other hand controlled the clock on offense and keep the Panther offense on the sideline.
QB Performance
Neither QB distinguished themselves. Cam Newton went 7 of 14 for 66 yards. Jimmy Clausen in turn went 9 for 15 for 69 yards. One good thing is neither QB turned the ball over. The bad thing is I'm still not sure which I would start. Might as well let Derek Anderson start if I have to make a decision right now. I certainly don't envy Rivera on this one.
In UDFA bubble player action DE Ugo Chinasa caused a fumble after pursuing the play. Conversely DE Thomas Keiser cost the Panthers 7 points when he caused on a 12 men on the field penalty on a play the Panthers caused a turnover inside their own five yard line. Keiser did redeem himself slightly when he recovered the a fore mentioned fumble caused by Chinasa.
For the most part we won;t get to week 3 quick enough.
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Newton was pretty hard on himself after the game
during the presser, saying “I have got to do better”, etc. – I think this may be a good thing as long as he learns from it
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Will our starters be completely healthy before the beginning,,,
of the regular season. These nagging injuries are annoying and beginning to worry me.
Chevis Jackson was unimpressive
Dont know that he will see the field a lot this year if he stays on the roster
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Steve Reed believes we will pick up a CB after roster cuts. So do I.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
He's not remotely good in coverage; definitely doesn't have the speed to stay with deep routes.
To his credit, however, he’s pretty good in run support, FWIW.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Good news for us v AZ first game
Ryan Williams tore his Achilles tonight in preseason
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Fact: there were a total of 8 achilles tears.....
all of last season in the NFL. This season hasn’t even started and there has already been 10.
by Derek Leazer on Aug 19, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Must be in part due to a lower level of conditioning then a ton of high physical stress due to the lockout period
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That's not cool.
I get that it’s good for us to have one of their players sidelined, but you should never wish injury (or say an injury is good) on another player. That is there career and life.
by Thaddeus_Griffin on Aug 20, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Their careers in football is only an option.
They all went to college and should be able to get jobs elsewhere just like we do.
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That's not the issue.
Because someone makes money doesn’t mean we should lose our moral fiber and be glad that someone was hurt.
Anyways, that would cheapen the win. A team should win with their opponent at full strength. Then it is a noble victory.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
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by AlabamaJammer on Aug 23, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Little key's to the Panther's
1st. We found out tonight that our corner’s are undersized and not physical enough.
2nd We found out that we need to get a little more DT help.
3rd Jordan Pugh is a better safety than Charles God Awful.
4th I personally don’t see why M. Bernadeu is on this team he is the worst interior lineman we have. He can’t run block or pass block.
5th If we correct these problems will be better.
Extra fact: We need a wide receiver to step up or go out and get one to open up the offense more on the other side of the field.
Agree
I think we need to move Conner now for a corner. with Williams play he could be a reliable back up for depth
You said below you're worried about Beasons Achilles...
So why do you want to move Conner? Williams is a keeper, but lets be real, he isn’t at Conner’s level. If there’s a chance of Beason missing regular season games, I want Conner around to fill in.
Williams Has At Least 2 Years Left With The Panthers, But Connor's A URFA In 2012 & Want's A Starting MLB Job
by PanthersRoar on Aug 20, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that's all fine and good.
But I don’t really see it as being relevant. I think we all know that Conner is leaving after this year. As a result, I would understand trading him if a good deal presents itself. But I would much rather have Conner starting at MLB than Williams this year if Beason can’t.
I guess what I’m getting at, is that I wouldn’t be so quick to shop Conner. He’s a really valuable piece (even if this is his last year with us) and I don’t like the idea of trading him unless it really seems like a good deal.
it wouldnt be williams as the backup
Omar gaither would most likely be the guy in line.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 20, 2011 1:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
on a sour note, Connor played like shit tonight
Guy was MLB out on the edge on a rediculous number of those between-the-tackles runs. I don’t know if it was by design, but if it is, McD needs to stop it.
I'll have to look for this when I rewatch the game
I had other stuff going on during the first half, so I couldn’t pay as much attention to the game as I would have liked. But if this is true, its sad, because Conner’s strength has always been his run defense.
totally agree on #3
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by SouthernPanther on Aug 19, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith will help do that more once he starts.
I am still not too worried about receivers. They need to fix the line so the denenders aren’t at the qb as fast as the ball is.
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Hope it isnt microtearing
That will be a half a season for sure. It sounds a lot like the stuff we were told about Otah’s knee last year
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Beason's Achilles
I am just worried if he can not even play or practice now, what’s going to happen that’s so miraculous that he play’s opening day and tears it against Arizona?
Charles Barkley would like to comment on tonight's performance
by ppalm on Aug 19, 2011 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
haha
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by SouthernPanther on Aug 19, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
All the Cam love is ridiculous...
Last week the excuse to his lack of performance was that he was with Panthers 2s O-Line/receivers…well friends…he was with the 1s this week and still didn’t score. Clausen was with 2s this week and he at least had a couple of scoring drives. I’m not saying to ditch Cam. But whatever happened to letting young rookies sit a couple of years and learn? Its not the end of the world. If you throw Cam in there at the start and he continues as he has been, he’s gonna lose his “WOW” factor with the fans. At least Clausen would be a good scapegoat while Cam learns more.
You can make excuses all you want, but the bottom line is…SCORING POINTS is what wins games….not occasional “flashes of brilliance”.
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different team my friend.
Cam and Clausen faced different 1’s and 2’s this week than they did last week. I don’t think Clausen would be any better than Cam at producing points. Just an opinion. I could be proven wrong down the road.
by Derek Leazer on Aug 19, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I would venture to say...
If Jimmy played the whole first half…there would’ve been more points on the board. But its all a matter of opinion…you can take either side of this argument and make up bodacious excuses for both Cam and Jimmy and never win this pissing match….
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by Totalscholar on Aug 19, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If Jimmy played the whole first half…there would’ve been more points on the board. But its all a matter of opinion…you can take either side of this argument and make up bodacious excuses for both Cam and Jimmy and never win this pissing match
How would the offence score if they did not have the football?…. you do realize the Panther defence could not stop Miami? Would JC starting cause them to go 3 and out? The Panther offence never had field position and did not look impressive at anypoint ….. the running game worked better in the 2nd half and a turn over helped get 6….. just seems like you did not say alot the last game….this is predictable… certain people will speak up when your down …and won’t say a word when your on top…noted
Panthers did have the football. They never made any first downs. Hahahaha
by HI State of Mind on Aug 20, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I’ve been following CSR for around a year but just started occasionally posting during the draft. So what if he/she didn’t say a lot the last game? I rarely post except for when I’m really fired up or just really bored and can’t sleep (like now). This will be my last post, Shank…don’t want you to go accusing ME of only speaking up at certain times….you can note that…
Really thought you guys were a lot cooler than that.
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by ncarolinagrl94 on Aug 20, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
You shouldn't let a guy who's not even a fan of the Panthers drive you off.
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 20, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Shankdiddy isnt a Panthers fan?
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by ncarolinagrl94 on Aug 20, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
No.
He’s a Lions fan, with an insatiable desire to defend Cam Newton against any and all criticism.
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 20, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You know, I almost forgot about that.
Even though I’ve agreed with most of what Shankdiddy has said in this thread, take what he says with a grain of salt. He’s actually Cam’s agent posting under an alias.
This thread was starting to make me think i was reading Yahoo...
and that’s frightening…
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by ncarolinagrl94 on Aug 20, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry to sound off like that
It really nerves me to hear someone wait until a failure and then chim in with "LOOK see "…… i do like the Panthers however even prior to this year. Are they the team i followed since for the last 29 years? no… but i feel like i should only claim one team instead of jumping from team to team.
I guess when you hear others say things like “wow its just the Panthers” i KNOW how that feels. I am a football fan.. and even i know Carolina was a one quarterback (plus good luck with the injury bug) away from being a possible 10 win team…. other than the QB position and DT the team is good enough to win….now enter 2011.. so if another fans sees optimism in your team do you want to tell them “shoo go away” because they don’t agree all of the time?
Sorry for sounding snippy.. i just get stired up by the haters because i literallly went outside found a baby squirel my dog tried to play with moved my car, heated up some coffee, made a sandwich, ate it , then went back to watch the game and the Panthers still didn’t have the ball back.. like i am not even kidding. I had to hit rewind just to see if i was mistaken. That would make alot of quarterbacks press things if they knew their defence was playing like that…. much less a rookie with all the pressure on them
Hey, Shank, just eant to let you know I like what you post, and how you reason it all out, better than I do 85% of the posters on CSR.
You’re, IMO, a knowledgeable football observer, and I like that.
(That, and 9 1/2 yards, however, won’t get you a first Down.)
why does he post on here then?
Go and defend nick fairly
by LimeyPanther on Aug 20, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More than just him...
seems like a LOT of people are trashing each other over their own opinions…and its really lame…just thought there was more respect for each others views here is all
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by ncarolinagrl94 on Aug 20, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There generally is.
However all bets tend to go off when the QB’s are discussed. If you’ve got a couple hours to spare go back in the archives and read some of the other QB debates. This is pretty tame in comparison. XD
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 20, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I like to think that - for the most part - we all argue civilly.
But there are some issues where people have strong opinions, such as starting QBs Fox’s faults etc. I know it’s probably not true 100% of the time, but I still think that for the most part we all respect each other, even if we vehemently disagree with the presented opinion.
Carolinas girl said it!
you guys trash anyone opinion that you don’t agree with….example. my opinion of kasey got me shunned and called a DICK!
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 20, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW… i’m not a girl so it don’t bother me!
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 20, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't sweat it, Cap.
The vast majority of us here at CSR can appreciate a different point-of-view, even if we don’t agree 100%. That’s why I spoke up when you got called out like that.
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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 20, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanx Kackalack kid
good lookin out… just like on a newer thread i said somthing about TO and now im smoking crack….. lol i didn’t know TO was a junkie! FYI if you like TO you MUST smoke CRACK! LMAO
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 20, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Cam Newton had 5 possessions.
He had three first downs over those five, which is one less than the amount of times we punted.
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 20, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats just like i was saying a few days ago to people.
You can assume what might have happened all you like but you can’t say any other player would have been better or worse than the ones that actually played at the time. Nobody knows what would have happened had the other 1 played, all we know is what happened.
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While this doesn't account for changes this season...
Based on total yards, in 2010 the Giants had the 7th ranked defense last year. Miami had the 6th.
I’m guessing they were relatively good at ball control? I’ve never seen advanced football stats but I’m guessing adjusted stats would change that. I believe they were pretty conservative with Henning at the helm
I'm too lazy to look up advanced stats
But NYG had the 5th ranked offense, while Miami had the 21st. This would imply that Miami’s defense was actually on the field WAY more than the Giant’s.
Point being, I think people are really underestimating Miami’s defense.
Probably true, I thought they were like a 5 win team and not 7. I also think very highly of that Giants D line.
I have a feeling a lot of people are, with good reason. The Giant’s d-line is nasty, and Miami’s defense overall was kind of anti-climatic, in that they didn’t really stand out in any aspect (not a leader in INTs, sacks etc). But overall, there defense was pretty solid.
Even if they aren’t bad, I still suspect they are not top 10. Pace, like in basketball, sways yards (points in NBA) allowed a whole lot.
Well, the fact that their offense was much worse than the Giant’s would imply that their defense was on the field for more snaps. Being on the field for more snaps while allowing less yards leads me to believe they had the superior defense.
That’s kind of the opposite of basketball pace where they a lack of points is accounted for in a lack of possessions.
Only point to be taken from the first 2 pre-season games, is that the Giants didn't give a shit about the game, and the Dolphins were fired up to win it.
In the end, it means nothing.
There can be no continuity of offense or defense when subs are being constantly shuttled in and out.
Our system is new, and not yet ironed out of its many wrinkles, and our OL and DL personnel haven’t worked together long enough to perfect their potential techniques. The middle of our DL was a sieve last night, but I bet we played 10 guys at DT. One observation I made is that Everette Brown and Eric Norwood are pretty ineffective pass rushers. BigMoney and Kraken can’t get out there fast enough for me.
There were 30+ guys out there taking up space who won;t even make the roster by game #1, so we shouldn’t get too up about the win, nor too down about the loss. These are just auditions – and so far as the starters go, motivation doesn’t come into play until the game 1 whistle blows, and motivation is a big part of success in this league.
How can you say the Giants starting d is better than the Dolphins?
Last season the Dolphins were ranked 1 above the Giants in passing and rushing defense, so ended up 1 above them overall.
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it's not!
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 20, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, I am a long, long way away from drinking Cammy Cam juice
But come on man. “Flashes of brilliance” in a rookie as raw as Cam point towards a really bright future. Cam has shown some flashes already that Clausen didn’t show all of last season. If the coaching staff thinks he’s ready to start, I’d rather get him in there to start developing as soon as possible.
I also think people are making a lot out of the fact that Clausen led TD drives and Cam didn’t. Don’t forget that Cam was a beautifully defended pass (the first throw to Lafell, which was a perfectly thrown ball) away from a TD against the Giants, and that Clausen’s TD drive tonight started on the 15 and was a result of Sutton, not Clausen.
Ultimately, it’s going to come down to whether the coaching staff thinks Cam is ready to start or not. And at this point, I trust their judgment in said matter.
Thats cool
if youd prefer not scoring points or winning games while those flashes of brilliance morph into that amazingly bright future…its all good….im with the coaches too. If it happens…and takes a long time for those flashes to develop into true brilliance…its gonna be interesting reading thoughts/comments down the road….
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by Totalscholar on Aug 20, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
So you don't like Cam. Whatever, I can understand that.
I didn’t really like the pick when it happened (all though I’ve warmed up to him a bit. )But you’re making it sound like Clausen lit up the scoreboard and Cam didn’t and this really isn’t true. Clausen led two TD drives in two games and there’s some degree of luck involved in that as well. Most notably the two examples I stated above.
If there is only a marginal difference, I’d prefer the guy with more potential to start, but that’s just me.
what would really be awesome...
is if it took about 5 years for that development to take place…
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by Totalscholar on Aug 20, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
If Cam is named the starting QB...
will you be rooting for him to succeed or fail? Seems like the latter. It simply doesn’t matter to me who is chosen to be the starter. I’ll be cheering them on irregardless of what name is on the jersey.
by Derek Leazer on Aug 20, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The Excuses Are The Same, Only The QB's Name's Have Changed
He had to play with 2nd and 3rd stringers – Game 1 Newton, Game 2 Clausen.
He had to play against the other teams startes – Game 1 Clausen, Game 2 Newton.
by PanthersRoar on Aug 20, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very much so.
You could also add in the following observations:
“He shouldn’t have thrown that ball into double-coverage – he was lucked the Defender dropped the INT.”
“The TE is going to be his biggest friend.”
“If the WR’s hadn’t dropped those two/three/four passes, he would obviously have been superior.”
by panthersnbraves on Aug 20, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that scoring points in these 2 occasions are situational...
I mean the Panthers got the ball off a Turn over in field goal range….now how in the world can you compare that? The Panther Defence did not even show up till the 2nd half with back ups…… i mean you can’t score if you don’t have the ball… Cam did not make any errors….GIVE him someone to throw too that isn’t a Tight end then evaluate….did a wideout even catch a Ball in the entire game?….sigh
So many moving parts in football.. it is hard to understand how people can not realize the difference between the first half and the 2nd.
"Cam did not make any errors"
Completely and utterly false. The man continues to throw off of his back foot, and should have been picked tonight. Part of the reason the WR’s looked unspectacular is because Cam missed open targets multiple times.
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 20, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
This^^^^
The one glaring mistake Cam made was that he has consistently thrown off of his back foot any time he sees pressure. Luckily this is a coachable fix, but still. Cam, you’re about as big as some DEs, stop getting scared and step into throws.
I have no doubt he can be a starting QB if he fixes that.
He likely has other issues that aren’t as glaring, but we’ll cross those bridges when we come to them. Right now the biggest thing holding him back is himself, he’s just got to step up (literally).
On a slightly different note, am I the only one who finds irony in the fact he reacts poorly to pressure just like Clausen. :don’t stone me for comparing Cam to Jimmy:
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by Flowing Willow on Aug 20, 2011 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn't thought of that before
But that’s a really good point. They may have different ways of dealing with pressure (Cam throwing off his back foot, Jimmeh throwing it to the cheerleaders) it’s a similar problem.
Regardless, Cam’s going to get a pass (no matter how unfair) simply because he isn’t Jimmeh.
Indeed
This ‘throwing off the back foot’ business needs to be addressed sooner than later. When he’s off-balance, leaning backwards (typically away from pressure) he’s just not going to put the ball where he wants. Yes, he can throw 50yds off his back foot – but that’s a novelty, not an attribute.
I have faith that the coaches will tweak it as time goes on. Playing in the preseason is good for Cam so that more and more ‘live action’ game tape can be reviewed and these things pointed out. He’s got the tools, he’s go the talent and he’s got the desire to be the best. It will just take some time.
I support his growth because I’m not holding these lofty expectations over his head. He’s a rookie – with a very compressed off-season due to the lockout bs. If Cam starts the season and we win 3 games – huzzah! Because that’s 1 more than we won last year.
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by boywonderncsu on Aug 20, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The cam hate makes no more sense than the love...
Just a lil comparison shopping for you: Newton 7-14: Kevin Kolb 6-11 Matt Ryan 7-15 Matt Cassel 6-14 Joe Flacco 12-24 and Josh Freeman 5-10 no td’s from any of them and all who are atleast 2nd year starters, all but one in the same offense as a year ago… One of whom (ryan) is considered one of the top 10 QB’s in football. He’s a rookie with NO offseason to learn a new offense and got ZERO help from his wide outs. Lets give him a few weeks before we label him a bust… What do ya say?
+11111111
Also let’s keep in mind that Newton is looking slightly better than Bradford during his rookie pre season. the fact that Cam had 0 interceptions and fumbles so far is very impressive for a rookie.
by PantherTrain on Aug 20, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call the "no ints" impressive as much as lucky.
He had at least 1 that went through a defenders hands. I cant remember last weeks but last nights should have been a pick & he was lucky it wasn’t.
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by MrBernz on Aug 20, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And also
if anyone is already labeling Newton a bust, shoot yourself right now lol. Eli Manning rookie year QB rating; 56. he a bust also?
by PantherTrain on Aug 20, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
What hate?
Not praising is now hate? He also specifically said he wasn’t a bust and we shouldn’t give up on him, just that maybe people are being slightly hypocritical with the moving standards of QBs.
clausen didnt really score much of anything
The td was sutton and that was on a very short field. He picked up a couple of firsts on 3rd down but nothing spectacular at all. Not saying I think cam is truly ready to start but with the 2 of them he is still probably the better option. He makes the team bettr in general. I want jimmy to do well and they can push each other but neither has lit anything up.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 20, 2011 1:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
Please stop using Clausen’s TD drive as a reason why he’s better than Cam. Clausen only made one completion for 5 yards on that drive.
I thought it was the combination of multiple scoring drives. It seems like Jimmy played better today but against worse competition. This game shouldn’t change anyone’s mind about either.
+1000000
I think this is most of my point:
This game shouldn’t change anyone’s mind about either
No one has set themselves apart yet. Anyone who seems to have a strong opinion one way or the other is basing it off of predisposed opinions.
by ppfcpp on Aug 20, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let me get this straight....
Foxsports.com has a headline story on how “impressive Gabbert was against a tough Falcons defense”. I didn’t watch this game, but 11/23, 96 yards, and no touchdowns certainly doesn’t seem overly impressive to me.
looking at numbers without watching the game...
is the same thing that happened to Cam last week. He looked good, but the numbers didn’t show the whole story….not saying this is the case with Gabbert, because I didn’t see him either…just sayin….man shall not judge by stats alone…
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by Totalscholar on Aug 19, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
More Accurately "Totalscholar", Week 1 Newton Look Promising, With Some Good Deep Throws
Let’s all just be happy that both QB’s improved from game 1 to game 2.
Newton’s completion percentage improved from around 41% to 50%, and Clausen’s from the low 50’s to 60%.
by PanthersRoar on Aug 20, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You thought Cam looked good last week? I understand that we all view things differently and I didn’t think Cam looked good at all. In fact, I was kind of shocked from what I saw. The love he was getting from the media and the blog made me think this guy was close to ready. I understand that he wasn’t playing with the first team offense (I mean week 1 starters) but both QBs had access to the same group of players. Variables like defensive and offensive schemes will vary, but mechanics and decision making should be consistent. I’m not saying Cam’s a bum and Jimmy is king, but let’s not become homers here.
The entire team did not play well and that didn’t help Cam’s chances, but he also didn’t help himself. Throwing into double coverage and a few extremely errant throws were more prevalent than good throws.
I really want to see each of these QBs play with the full starting lineup. It is a huge disservice to both QBs when their line play is…well, not up to par.
by HI State of Mind on Aug 20, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched the game and they are full of shit
Gabbert scored on a busted play and on a terrible pass at that. it wasnt that he played well (against ATL 2s BTW) but that ATL didnt play worth a damn
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If you click on full story...
it brings you to the game stats page. In the game summary it states “…and rookie Blaine Gabbert was equally unimpressive…” So they are actually contradicting themselves lol
We will find out on Sept 25th how impressive or not impressive he is
MJD didnt play but he was in with the 2s anyway. I was not impressed at all. But I was even less impressed with ATL – they looked terrible
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The Captain
Captain has a heart of a fighter but if you saw when the suposed 1’s were playing he is not a number 2 corner. Brandon Marshall abused him. McClain and Stanford are no better starters alot of people on here said that was going to be our biggesy problem. Trust me other teams will watch this game footage and pick out our weakness. We need to address this problem asap!
marshall makes most cb look like that.
Its just the 2nd preseason game here everyone. And with a very abbreviated off season. We are still the youngest team in the nfl with a totally new organization excluding the FO. They will all come out more fired up next week. Count on that. And count on one other thing. I like newton and clausen but in newton I see a guy who has a fire inside him to be great. Not good but GREAT. It will take time. Same thing with BAMF! He will be an amazing coach. It takes time to build an organization like he wants it. Similar to the steelers and their tradition of excellence. Great things are to come but u have to have the vision to see it.
by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 20, 2011 1:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Breaking News...
I, Pantherboy76, haven’t decided who I will start for the Panthers season opener. In other words, I’m not blinded by my love or hate for either guy. I’m open to whomever separates themselves after the end of next week’s game.
If neither clearly separates himself....
I’ll flip a coin.
by Derek Leazer on Aug 20, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
I think Cam and Clausen are about even right now. Neither has done anything in preseason to definitively show they should be the starter.
Lol
I can’t wait until regular season and we can really get pissed off at the starter.
People can tell, when you Auto Bell.
As I said in a previous thread earlier....
if we play like this during the regular season, we will be fortunate to muster 2 wins. Might as well add Luck to the mix at that point. All kidding aside, as they say: a team is never as good or bad as the score might indicate. I hope that holds true for this team after what we witnessed tonight.
Observations
TD looked good out there. Speed was still very much intact.
I didn’t notice anything at all from CJ, although I think I may have been expecting too much out of him in his preseason debut (like, you know…anything). The defensive line as a whole was very disappointing.
The new kickoff rules haven’t affected returns nearly as much as I thought they would. I expected an endless supply of touchbacks all over the league, but that really hasn’t been the case at all. Guy looked promising with the looks he got at returner.
Cam and Jimmy were both middle of the road. Not great, not terrible. Love it or hate it, though, if neither QB separates himself from the other, Cam is going to start.
Olsen & Shockey are gonna have a lot to do with our offense’s success.
3rd down. Ugh.
It sucked (for me, anyway) that our one turnover was against Matt Moore. Henne was on point with the short routes, but really blew some of the longer strikes.
* deep breath * just a preseason game…just a preseason game.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I was very happy to see TD look like he did before the knee problems. I hope he can stay healthy this year.
Also, please keep in mind that CJ only played one series. I wouldn’t worry about him too much.
But mostly, I agree about Olsen and Shockey. I’m not sure if it’s their skills, the gameplan, or the fact that TEs can generally be a safety net for young QBs, but I’m almost at the point where I think Olsen could be the leader in receptions this year. Trading for him is going to turn out to be the best thing we did all offseason.
I think those returns on kickoff
are going to decrease in regular season. I think teams are wanting to see now how they fare with them while the records don’t count, wanting to evaluate players abilities at it still.
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I live in California
Therefore, I was stuck watching games that aren’t my beloved Panthers. So, I need these evaluations. How was Thomas Davis?
by Thaddeus_Griffin on Aug 20, 2011 12:22 AM EDT reply actions
hey thaddeus
TD looked as strong as ever, very active and fast; at times he looked like the only 1st team defender that came to play
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
We must have watched different games ;)
There were definitely plays where he showed up. But he didn’t match up too well with Reggie Bush in coverage. For that matter, no one matched up well with Bush tonight. I’m not that worried, though.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Aug 20, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Everett Brown
Everett Brown is pure garbage!!!!
Reason 1: He is a wimp
Reason 2: He can’t shed one block
Reason 3: He spin’s like a F. king top.
Who agree’s with me on that?
Picking on Brown when the entire defensive line was terrible seems rather humorous.
by SlayerGhaleon on Aug 20, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not really picking on Brown per say
But honestly that was a wasted first round pick. He has sucked out loud since drafted, excluding tonight. He is undersized, has one move(spin), and isn’t fast or strong enough to play de in the nfl. Seriously think what we could have got in the first round with the pick we gave for him. He is a super nice guy, but doesn’t belong. What really worries me is, to use a military term, broke dicks. Otah has been hurt since drafted, among other players who stay hurt. I think we may need to go tackle with first round pick to protect whoever is playing qb.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
by gdhood on Aug 20, 2011 3:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't want to specifically pick on him barring our defensive line performance tonight but...
That guy needs to seriously step up his performance. This is a make or brake year for him and he’s getting outperformed by Norwood(at least in training camp)? I like Norwood but this is bad news for Brown.
"My last name is Rivera but I ain't related to the coach, wish I was"
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
time to release the Kraken
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
and by release i most certainly do not mean cut
get those scrapes healed and get him on the field
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
by revdwl34 on Aug 20, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, wholeheartedly.
Ugo Chinasa (#63) should make the roster before he does.
Guys
This is a no brainer, Newton should get the start, why? First and foremost his overall pocket presence, command of the huddle and demeanor on how relaxed and confident he looks in the pocket. 2. So far Clausen and Cam have played pretty equally, keep in mind that Clausen has 1 season under his belt and Cam has only 2 weeks of training camp and is already playing on Jimmy’s level if not better.
3. money, you got 22 mill invested, you gotta play him and 3. dual threat, this is the tie breaker here. if you have 2 QBs competing and both are playing on the same level, you go with the guy that can extend plays with his legs.
Cam is playing better than Bradford played during pre season and Bradford had full off season of OTAs, camp etc. For cam to look this good with barely 2 weeks of training camp is impressive.
Haha
Gotta love NFL.com’s sensationalist headline; “Henne outshines Newton” ha, really? Mccelory outshined Sanchez last week also, your point?
I actually agree with that headline, but an assist must be given to our defensive line.
There was basically no pressure from our front line all night (Rucker made a great point, saying that our guys were “playing sideways”), and Henne was basically running pitch & catch drills with his receivers. Couple that with the the fact that our O-line was a bit Swiss cheese-ish at times, and it makes perfect sense that their quarterback outshined ours.
Maybe I’m being biased, and I should say “an assist must be given to Miami’s offensive line.” Either way, Henne didn’t see many Panthers jerseys last night, and he took full advantage of the time he was given in the pocket. Good for him.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Henne did outshine Newton.
You can’t fault a paper for printing the truth just because its against your team. I thought Henne played a great game. I fault our defense calls, Henne was barely pressured most of his time on the field.
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For whatever reason, the coaches kept the defense very vanilla in this game. Maybe they wanted to get film of players
in certain match-ups, IDK. There was so little of the aggressive blitzing in this game, I have to think it was pre-planned. And, when we did bring the house (finally) against Moore, we caused and recovered a fumble.
If we’re talking about defensive match-ups, we lost. The Miami 1s (esp. Bush) were given big holes straight up the gut. Our CBs were beaten deep on a number of occasions, which were fortunately overthrows by Henne. Underneath coverage on Bess, Marshall, Bush, and Fasano wasn’t very good either.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
is it just me or
has our 6th round pick LB wilson shown absolutely zilch so far? thomas williams should take his spot on the 53
"We want them to play fast, we want them to play physical, we want them to play hard and most importantly we want them to play smart." RR 8-3-11
Why are some people acting like we weren't going to see these bumps and bruises?
Some people are just reading too much into this game. Yes these preseason games are a bit indicative of how our offense and defense look like and probably will look like in the regular season but it’s still just a preseason game. We have a rookie QB, we are missing starters, we missed alot valuable practices which were especially crucial to us because of our new coaching staff and new play books…I mean we knew that there were going to be obstacles so why panic at the first sight of them? At worst this was as mention before a REALITY CHECK.
So let’s stay positive and more than anything hope that our coaching staff and our players saw what needs to be corrected from our performance tonight and hopefully they’ll start to work on improving on our weaknesses right away. Let’s hope that our team learns from their mistakes and becomes better as times passes.
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"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
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by Efury on Aug 20, 2011 1:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you!
I mean come the hell on people…a rookie QB with what? 10 days of full pad practice with his team…calm down people….
Rocking the boat and righting the ship! Making the moves needed...Go Panthers!!!
So easy to rec this.
Totally agree. Also, I don’t know what game you guys were watching but the difference between Cam and Clausen were night and day to me. Two weeks in a row Jimmy has a nice down field throw to a WR get called back because of a penalty. What a shame. 10/16 for 105 or so is a lot easier to look at than 9/15 for 69. Not to mention I thought Jimmy actually moved in the pocket fairly well. You don’t need to run a 4.5 40 to be able to extend plays and tonight Jimmy showed his ability to do so on a few plays. I actually thought he threw the deep ball rather well. He underestimated the safety on the deep throw to Clowney but it was a pretty good challenge.
Miami’s starting D definitely got up in Cam’s face early and often. Expect a lot of that. The same thing happened to Clausen last year. Until Cam can show he can beat the blitz, it makes total sense to try to confuse him and rush him as much as possible. This, to me, is totally in line with everything we’ve heard from camp. The only difference is we didn’t really get any of the explosive plays from Cam this evening. That’s ok, he’ll learn to be consistent with time. I couldn’t help but smile after Cam ran for 6-7 yards, lost his helmet, and you could see him grinnin’ ear-to-ear :)
Last but not least… Look at the defenses that Miami has to face within their division. Their offensive line is catered to playing against big defensive players. Just as an example… consider this… The average weight of our Offensive Guards on the roster is 316. Miami’s is 328. Their Centers are larger. Their tackles are larger to deal with giant NTs and meaty defensive ends that the Patriots and Jets use.
Now consider that our heaviest DTs are:
- Tommie Duhart: 318
- Sione Fua: 310
- Corvey Irvin: 302
- Andre Neblett: 295
- Nick Hayden: 292
- Terrell McClain: 291
Obviously, weight isn’t the only thing but do the math. Technique and experience obviously come into play but we were going up against some biiiig dudes. #justsayin’
If you want to be worried about anything… be worried about our 3rd down conversion rate. Last preseason we consistently couldn’t string together any really promising drives that moved the chains over and over and we failed to score points. That carried over into the regular season. I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that converting on third down is going to be a point of emphasis this week in practice.
Disappointed at how the game unfolded but I’m lookin’ forward to next week. This is our mock week. It’ll be interesting to see how Rivera and the staff come to the decision on who to start at QB. If it was my decision, I’d let Jimmy start and bring Newton in around mid-season depending on how we’re doing. But I don’t make the big bucks so I don’t have to worry about making that decision!
by Fernando De La Cruz on Aug 20, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Any chance the Panthers trade 2 LB's and a TE for a DT? (only slightly kidding)
re: estanding plays. I was glad Jimmeh stepped up in the pocket last night – it was an improvement.
Now, if someone would show Cam how not to fall backwards while throwing the ball, and the WR’s would catch a few more, they will be a lot more fun to watch.
by panthersnbraves on Aug 20, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
What’s the deal with WR’s here? Will someone please step up other than a TE and catch some passes. The Panthers defense looks very suspect. I really hope they don’t digress to that zone, play it safe crap. Miami was blitzing heavy and look how much that affected the Panthers offense. Thank goodness it’s just preseason.
Reporter - "What's this like for you after so many years as an assistant to come into a camp and now this is your camp?"
Coach Rivera - "Sh*t, I'm nervous......I mean, to be a honest with you I am. This is my first opportunity, I want to make sure we get things done right."
Not that I completely disagree with you...
But Miami was blitzing because we have two very young QBs and that’s just what happens.
Missing Smitty in the lineup. I think the dynamic ability of 89 will create matchup problems. The defense can’t double Smitty, Olsen, Shockey all the time… People should get a lot more one on one opportunities this year.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Aug 20, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair
Smitty didn’t play, and Gettis (who I presume would have been the number 2) is out for the season.
Living in a Philly market last year (and therefore seeing a lot of McDermitt) I highly doubt you’ll see a regression to a zone defense. In fact McDermitt’s main weakness has been that he tends to blitz in the wrong situation.
Wow.
How quickly everyone assumes it is the end of the world. Sure we didn’t play great, however it is preseason and there is no way of knowing how much each team prepared.
Miami had a GREAT defense last year. And only improved it this offseason. It was the first away game of a new regime. In addition, if you look neither the offense or defense had play calls that we were lead to expect this year. In fact every play was very very vanilla. In the first half we had 4 rushing attempts, all of which were right up the middle for 2 yards. The defense was dropping back in deep zones nearly every play which is why we got destroyed in the middle by the slant to Marshall and Bush. We were missing starters on both sides of the ball including Beason (you know the defensive leader) and CJ played only the first series. It appeared to me that Rivera and Co. were simply stepping back and seeing who would step up. Was he expecting better? Sure.
In either case we have no idea how much Miami prepared ( It seems to be a good bit, they were trying to prove something tonight).
All the overreaction over this game is killing me. It may in fact have been very good for them. Now we can see how they bounce back next week. As far as Newton goes….. were some of you expecting a pro-bowl performance or something? Same with Jimmy. Neither qb got much help.
And in any case I have yet to see Olsen and Shockey on the field at the same time (which you can be certain will happen). And I have yet to see Smitty on the field, and he will demand a double coverage by any team except the Jets and the Eagles.
So take this game for what it is a young team getting knocked down early who now have the chance to get back up.
by jai6y6 on Aug 20, 2011 3:32 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't recall seeing any bad calls.
Maybe you saw some things that should have been called and weren’t. And that hit out of bounds, looked to me to just be a brush against the player but they didn’t show me a good replay of it, so maybe that could have been a bad call i dont know.
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I have to give the refs that one out of bounds.
My daughter keeps telling me I yell too much during the games, but I have a pretty good track record of pointing out penalties as they happen, and I called that that one.
by panthersnbraves on Aug 20, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
T.O.
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by CaptainPanther on Aug 20, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I recall one tickety-tack call for a "hit" beyond 5 yards that gave Miami one more 1st down. I think it was called on Gaither.
But, overall I can’t see putting this loss on the refs.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
That was a call that seldom gets made.
Worse than that was the OH call that nullified a great 37 yd completion from Clausen to Clowney on the right SL. Best pass Clausen has thrown as a Panther.
The only reason Holding was called was the rusher fell down, after being blocked.
2 for sure fumbles and 1 questionable fumble that the refs blew dead
Unnecessary roughness on henne when he was a runner etc. I’m not blaming the loss on them in anyway…. i’m just saying they suck and didn’t really help either
That was a WTF moment...
They fumble, we recover, but instead of awarding us the ball, they enforce OH on them, with the spurious explanation, “The whistle blew before the fumble.”
If the O can have a free play when there’s encroachment, the D should have the option to accept the result of the play, and decline the penalty. WTF!
Well said...rec'd
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by John Chilton on Aug 20, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The one word that comes to mind of last nights game
SLOPPY
Just plain sloppy.
Miami had at the end of the first half 75% of time of possession. Cam never really had time to progress. The defense was sloppy on the Miami’s success running betweens the tackles. We are very vulnerable there and it was exposed. We were also exposed with Henne’s short quick passes from which we allowed them buffer to makes Yards after the catch. This plays all well into Reggie Bush’s game and we made him look like a star last night.
All is not lost and this is correctable. I was not thrilled with the Cam pick, however he was the best player chosen (as far as I am concerned) and do believe he will be a superstar. He has that swagger, but he is a competitor.
I did notice that many of the players and starters were not present and I am not going to make a big deal out of last night. It was a preseason game to flush out weaknesses, and realize strengths and then immediately hide them.
Everett Brown- Severely disappointing. Waiting for Greg Hardy to recover.
Defensive interior line- continue to dig
Jeff Otah- have you ever been healthy?
Greg Olson- Thank you. You will be the reason that Steve Smith will have a monster year.
Jeremy Shockey- likewise. Always been down on you but now I understand why we got you.
Dan Conner- great player but you overplayed the run and got burned.
Cornerbacks- gotta step it up.
Offensive Line- pick it up or ask for more quick passes to open the run
Personally start Cam and take our lumps early for the payoff later.
by univonc on Aug 20, 2011 7:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Draw imo
Jimmy 9/15 69 yards
Cam 7/14 66 yards 4 rushes 18 yards
Neither guy had a stellar performance. Jimmy made some better throws at times but neither men really did a whole lot. The offense in a whole was mediocre. Hoping Thursday both men get to split time with the 1’s for the 1st 3 quarters. Competition is still either man to win
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In the event of a draw (which is exactly how I would compare their performances last night)
Cam is going to start. Unless Derek absolutely tears it up in the 4h preseason game. Heh.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
Let me throw one small, encouraging stat out there:
We have scored three (count ’em, THREE) offensive touchdowns in this preseason thus far, with an entire new coaching staff, a rookie QB thrown in the mix, an abridged offseason, and a lot of starters (* ahem * #89) still not suiting up for gametime.
(I’ll give everyone a split second to tally all the offensive TDs we scored last preseason.)
‘K? All righty then. I just want to make sure we’re not forgetting or flat out shunning the positives while harboring on all the negatives.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
You make a great point
Still way better than last year.
by Panthster on Aug 20, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Last week we were ready to annoint Cam king of the world...
this week we are ready to declare him a bust…come on people…we are better than this. Expect ups and downs with a rookie QB, a young team, and a brand new coaching staff 3 weeks into the process of learning an entirely new system. It’s never as good or bad as it seems…
"Don't put off til tomorrow what you can put off til the day after tomorrow." -Mark Twain
by SouthernPanther on Aug 20, 2011 7:59 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I agree
Cam NEVER had a chance. He was only on the field momentarily.
It was the offense’s fault of not converting 3 rd downs and the defenses fault of not stopping the run.
Cam needs reps and experience. I didn’t have an issue with anything on his end……yet
Last week just showed us the potential upside
This week showed the potential downside. We’ll likely be somewhere in the middle.
But if nothing else, this is a reminder that Cam is NOT NFL ready. And we’ll likely have growing pains while he gets up to speed.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 20, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He's shown me nothing I didn't already know - that he's a raw QB with athletic ability.
Didn’t like the pick at the time, still don’t like it – but he shouldn’t be starting in the league at this point.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
It will be a wakeup call for Cam.
He’s better than what we saw last night, and he knows it. And what’s more, he knows he can do something about it.
As I said before, these are just evaluation games, designed to cut the wheat from the chaff. We shouldn’t make too much out of them.
Is everyone ok in here?
I came in last night and seemd like the world was ending!! Sorry to say that is what i expected from this team…… not what we saw against NY. This is a team with out TC that we desperately needed. it’s gonna be messy… i think we will be ok… but don’t be surprised if we only win 5-8 games!! ma by less ma by more… you never know! but we do need CBs and some space eating DTs…. i saw fua get dragged a few yards by reggie bush…. that wasn’t what i wanted to see! anyway off to work but…….GO PANTHERS!!
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I expected less against NYG, but more against Miami
We looked pretty bad everywhere on the field at nearly every single position. I’m not expecting us to be a playoff contender… But I DO expect us to be able to compete with average or worse teams.
However it’s not the end of the world… We aren’t playing with our best offensive weapons. And Cam is playing to learn to pass in the NFL, rather than to win. So I expect more in ARZ. However we must seem some improvement before then.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 20, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Our defense still shouldn't get smacked around like that
I know our offense couldn’t stay on the field… But still, they only played for 2 quarters. Maybe conditioning is poor due to the lockout.
STEVE SMITH!
Also, while we are using less than half of our playbook
Miami opened up all of theirs. We still haven’t seen a designed run play from Cam. Or one where he runs straight rather than rolling left and taking off after the play breaks down. Jimmy had some great plays, but according to Rivera both of them missed wide open guys in their reads.
And the Refs SUCKED!
Call the last two weeks a preseason wash. And remember that we are seeing coach Rivera’s filtering process, not the final results.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
Very true. We looked much more vanilla than even last week.
It seemed like Cam was dropping back and going through all his reads every single play. Where was the reverse, the rollout, screens, slants, etc… How about Armanti or DWill in the wildcat we heard about?
I even remember obvious blitzes, where Cam could have decided to run much quicker… But instead tried to buy time looking down field, until the last moment.
I’m assuming next week we’ll look much different.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 20, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Cam HAS to learn to step into his throws
Rivera stated the obvious that he’s very accurate when he does, but inaccurate off his back foot. I don’t see us being that successful until he learns this. 8 yard passes to TE’s doesn’t threaten or loosen up a defense… It’s the semi-deep passes where he’s missing LaFell and Edwards. Start hitting those and the rest of this offense will open up.
But this could take awhile.
STEVE SMITH!
by southtunnel on Aug 20, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That is the truth
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
I know Cam has to get game-time snaps to get read progressions down,
but if I were his coach, I would have Jimmeh run with the main group, and grab one WR at a time (minus Smith) have Cam throwing route trees – with special emphasis on footwork.
by panthersnbraves on Aug 20, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
1 thing that really annoyed me
was the penalty for too many men on the field. That is purely a coaches fault. There is no excuse for it. It isn’t like you need practice to count to 11. They never play with 12 men so there is no reason to ever have 12 on the field. Other than that, it was what it was.
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That is a typical pre-season goof
although it did stink that they had to stop them the fifth time…
by panthersnbraves on Aug 20, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was the MLB's responsibility
Maybe Riv should have caught it too.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
I really didn't know who was responsible for it,
I was assuming it was the defensive coach’s job.
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Isnt it the safety?
Maybe it depends on the coach.
by Panthster on Aug 20, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I saw Gaither counting players on another upcoming PR, when he was in at MLB, so I assume it's that player's responsibility.
But I didn’t note who was in at MLB on that particular SNAFU.
(and incidentally, who knows the meaning, and origin, of the acronym SNAFU? …don’t look it up, now)
Wow
Its so funny how everyones getting in a tizzy, lets face facts the defense didnt give the offense any time on the field last night, the defense was on its back all night and it is concerning!! As far as the offense goes we arent going to open up the playbook in the 2nd pre season game, Preseason games are a glorified practice with pads, it lets the coaches look at some very basic plays and evaluate the talent on the team, im not worried about the team till opening day
by panthersfanatic on Aug 20, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
My 2 cents
1. Rivera/ Chud didn’t play this one to win. No flashy calls, didn’t seem to adjust to def, no adjustments to help with blitz.
2. Very few starters played. I think the whole starting Oline was out by second qtr.
3. Not sure we have a true second wide-receiver. I think we need to pick one up after the cuts. Several of the missed throws by both qbs looked like bad route running from the wr.
4. I think we need to watch for another cb for our 3rd option.
5. Miami has a great def.
6. Special teams looks like it will be special again.
7. I am not worried about Beason. Rivera is being cautious with our playmakers to get them thru preseason, IMO.
8. This loss helps keep our players grounded and hungry… it was a good loss.
by Panthster on Aug 20, 2011 1:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They had a better game plan last week for sure
Rivera probably wanted that win for sentimental reasons.
But I think DT is our biggest need. Under no circumstances should an offense be able to consistently run up the middle all game long… You’ll never catch a break if that doesn’t get fixed.
STEVE SMITH!
We need TO!
sorry to beat a dead horse! but he would do it!!
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