Panthers 20 Giants 10: Inside the Numbers
by Jaxon on Aug 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT
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PrintIt's hump day and usually the last day we discuss the previous games results before turning our attention to the upcoming match-up. So here is one last look at the stats from last Saturday's preseason win over the Giants. Though preseason game stats mean nothing in the grand scheme of winning in the regular season it can certainly provide indicators of future performance. We saw that last year when the poor preseason offensive showing carried over into the regular season. Let's see if we can identify some numbers that might carry over into the season.
Let's start with some numbers for the offense:
- RB DeAngelo Williams averaged 5.8 yards per carry on four carries. These four carries were vintage Williams: -2, 0, 5 & 20 yards. You think you have him under control and BAM he pops a long one. Williams is ready for the season no doubt.
- The Panthers averaged 4.1 yards per rush (25 carries for 102 yards). Not a great total or eye popping average but I think 25 carries is around the total amount we will see per game
- Overall the Panthers QBs held a 90 QB rating. Newton had a 66, Clausen a 90 and Derek Anderson a whopping 156. I don't know about you but after last season I would take a 90 QB rating for the entire season
- The Panthers passed for a total of 274 yards while completing 50% of their passes. I would hope the average would be higher but I'll take an average completion to 18 yards all season long too. this stat really shows the Panthers emphasis on throwing down field. The Panthers had 4 receptions of 30 yards or more...sweet!
- Not so sweet: 4 sacks for 34 yards lost. That has to improve.
- More ugliness: 1 for 13 in 3rd down efficiency. This is what killed us last year. We could not extend our drives.
- Red zone efficiency: 1/2 50% meh...would like it higher but at least we scored
I've got defense and special teams stats... after the jump...
Some useful defensive stats:
- Yielded only 3.2 yards per carry for a total of 81 yards. I can't say enough of how good the defensive line played against the Giants and a potent rushing attack.
- The pass defense gave up 22 receptions for 232 yards; a 10 yd per reception average. Not eye-popping but pretty good for a young secondary. When the defense give up a reception the Panthers were quick to pounce and keep the YAC to a minimum.
- 3rd down efficiency: 3 for 16 (19%) Very happy with this number and hope it continues
- Overall QB rating of 78. The defense did a good job of keeping pressure on the Giants QBs though they only recorded two sacks
- LB Thomas Williams had a very nice stat line: 7 tackles, a sack, a TFL & a QH and one tackle on special teams. This kid is working to make the roster
- 7 passes defensed: 3 by Burney, 2 by McClain and one each from Stanford and Duhart. Nice to see the guys on the bubble making plays. If I had to pick one UDFA to make this team Burney is it. He may not have impressed at the combine but he has impressed at every other opportunity.
- The best stat is this: 3. As in yielding only 3 points. Let's see some more of that.
Special Teams stats to make you happy:
- WR/PR Armanti Edwards averaged 16 yards on 3 punt returns with a long of 24 yards. The kid was electric on the field and looks prime to reward GM Marty Hurney for reaching for him on draft day last year.
- Conversely the punt coverage was awesome too. They only yielded 5.4 yards on average on 7 returns. TE Gary Barnidge (Barny) had 2 special teams tackles, one I remember where he tackled the guy as soon as he got the ball. I should have given Barny a shout out in my Sunday night post for having a good game, because he did and not just on special teams. I should mention LB Jordan Senn had 2 ST tackles as well.
- K Olino Mare hit both of his FGs and had 2 touch backs. That's impressive for the Panthers only because both stats came from the same leg.
- LB Sean Ware blocked a FG for the Panthers, the first block I can remember since Greg Hardy got one early last season.
If I were to grade the Panthers three phase of the game I would apply the following:
- Offense: B
- Defense: A
- Special teams: A
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More ugliness: 1 for 13 in 3rd down efficiency. This is what killed us last year. We could not extend our drives.
For as long as I can remember 3rd downs have been our Achilles heel. I was hoping that this new offensive scheme and Cam Newton could break this problem, but I definitely won’t give up after the first preseason game.
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by Lesbian Montgomery on Aug 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions
It will get better.
With Cam? It will definitely get better. How many of those 3rd and 5s or so do you think Cam will be able to convert just by using his legs? Mobile quarterbacks kill, especially on 3rd down. This is something we haven’t been able to count on in the past. I’d expect a much higher 3rd down % than we are used to seeing. Which is good for the offense, of course, but also allows the defense to rest. It’s a good thing all around.
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seeing jimmeh get sacked on 3rd down
…Was actually quite refreshing. At least we were trying to pass.
by LimeyPanther on Aug 17, 2011 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
also, it's demoralizing to the opposing D when they've called the correct coverage
they’re executing their assignments correctly, the play breaks down completely and the QB still pulls a rabbit out of his @$$.
source: seeing the panthers play vick twice a year.
Quick question...
How many first downs over the game? That low number of 3rd down conversions is definitely cause for concern, but not as much if we’re moving the chains consistently on 1st and 2nd down.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Aug 17, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
16 first downs for the panthers
according to the box score on yahoo. 13 first downs for the giants
Throwing the deep ball is going to drive down percentage
and 3rd down conversions are a concern. BUT we still managed to extend drives by not getting to third down, so that was refreshing.
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No doubt not getting to 3rd down is great
but you most likely wont be able to sustain that for a whole game
"Armanti Edwards averaged 16 yards on 3 punt returns"
I’d amend that, as he only had 2 PR. IMO, a Fair Catch shouldn’t count as a return, and affect the PR’s average.
Technically, he returned just 2 punts, and his average on those would be 24 yds per.
Unless I’m all wrong, and the league stats include FCs. Maybe someone could confirm this.
According to ESPN's box score, AE had 3 punt returns
So my guess would be that a fair catch counts as a punt return for 0 yards.
I don’t think that’s fair either, as the purpose of the fair catch is to signal to the kicking team that no return will be made, so it shouldn’t count as a return.
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Huh. I was under the impression that FC's were not counted towards an average.
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It makes sense that they wouldn't be.
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NFL.com shows them as returns too...
But, they do give you the number of FC’s as well, so with a little math you can figure out the returners “true” PR average.
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The fair catch has to count because it's his decision
He chose (wisely) to take 0 yards. But so what? We all saw him make some great returns… That’s good enough for me!
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I know he made some great returns...and I was impressed with what I saw.
I understand why it is counted, but I still think it’s a little unfair. But, I do see where you’re coming from.
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Yeah, F the stats.
We all know what we saw.
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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 17, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i think there is value...
in tracking the percentage of FC’s called for by a returner versus attempts to run back. Calling for a FC is different than getting tackled for no gain after a catch and attempted return. Pulling the FC’s out of the average yards per return and including them as a separate stat would keep things more clear.
Also while his fair catch was 0 yards returned,
It stopped the ball from bouncing anoither 20 yards back. I am guessing since I cant recall where on the field he fair caught the ball.
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I just looked through the play by play
AE had three punts and they were all returns, no fair catches:24, 22, 4 yds = 50/3 = 16….2 in 1st half, one in 3rd quarter
The stats are correct
Oh...I remember the one in the 3rd quarter now.
Good call.
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The main thing here is...
…that Armanti had catches and not drops and two were 20+ yards. Very nice turnaround.
He’s going to make John Fox eat so much crow. Dude is just gettin’ warmed up.
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by WilkesViking on Aug 17, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He got horse collared on the third return and prob would have gotten a few more yars without that. They should give him the 15 yards that penalty got us as part of the return, IMO.
by Ryan439 on Aug 17, 2011 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
rules don’t work that way. QB’s dont get yards for pass interference neither do the WR’s.
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by Ryan439 on Aug 18, 2011 7:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I hate that he got horse collared
That kind of dangerous play in a preseason game is unacceptable. However, it is awesome that he was presenting enough of a threat that the defense got desperate enough to pull that stunt. I see it as a sign that his new found return skills are striking fear into the opposition.
I should've read this before I posted above.
thanks Jaxon.
Greg Hardy's awesome punt block...
…was against…drum roll…the New York Giants.
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by Newsinz on Aug 18, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't Forget The Giants Had A New C, OT, & The OG On That Side Moved From OT
I don’t want to be a dark cloud, but that new side of the Giants O-Line probably helped our run defense a little as well.
fair point
But we had two rookies (who both impressed) no big money, injured veteran DT and no kraken! Our defense stepped up, their o-line did not.
by LimeyPanther on Aug 17, 2011 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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I hope they take the chains off Cam friday and let him loose, i have a feeling they will since hes starting
by PantherTrain on Aug 17, 2011 7:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think we'll see that until Sept. 11
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 17, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Cam starting
I will be interested to see if he is “jittery” when he first starts the game and then has to smooth out. Many thought he was jittery when he got inside the red zone. I am not sure I saw that but will also watch for that Friday. I want to watch his footwork a little closer to. I cant say that I think he looks uncomfortable under center either. I did notice it looked like he throws downwards alot but just thought thats because hes a freakin’ giant.
My new Hi Def Tivo comes in Friday(I hope). So I can analyze things better and see what I am missing. Also, I hope I won’t be in a stupid sports bar again.
This is an important stat
Yielded only 3.2 yards per carry for a total of 81 yards. I can’t say enough of how good the defensive line played against the Giants and a potent rushing attack.
The goal of run defense is to keep the opponent to 3.3 yards per carry or less each game. If this can carry over to the regular season, it will set us up to win many games.
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