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Inside the numbers: Cam Newton's game on Saturday

Around the NFL people are trying to make sense of Cam Newton's game on Saturday. Other team's fans are struggling with the idea that analysts are giving Newton praise for his game, yet they see a box score where he only completed 42% of his passes. There are mature fans who are inquisitive about the perception vs. reality, and the immature ones who made their decision about Newton months ago and will yell, scream and hold their breath until they are validated.

It's the former, the mature fans, who I look to address today and also give our fan base an understanding of Newton's passing numbers in context. A common criticism I've heard is that people intuit that Newton was playing against the Giants' second team for the entire game, but this simply wasn't the case. There was a definitive series during the second quarter where both the Panthers and Giants began to sit their starters. I've divided up Newton's game down this line and look forward to sharing it with you now.

More after the jump

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Cam with the Panthers' 1st team vs. the Giants 1st team

3/7 (43%), 52 yards (68.75 QB rating)

- On paper, this stat line looks mediocre, but here is the time we need to get inside the numbers. Two of Cam's four incompletions came in one series in the red zone where Newton fired passes to WR Brandon LaFell. The first of which the Giants DB made an excellent play on the ball and batted it down, the second of which hit LaFell's hands, but he couldn't reign it in. On both occasions these were good throws and Newton squeezed the ball into a tight window. Another incompletion came on what amounted to a throw away when Newton way backed up and threw the ball about 10 yards shy of Legedu Naanee, and the last one was an overthrow to Greg Olsen. Of these 7 pass attempts there were only two that should have been better, the pass to Olsen and the trow away which he should have sent into the stands rather than putting it up and hoping someone would get the ball. 

In the end I would grade five of these seven attempts positively, and the negative plays didn't impact the game too much.

 

Cam with the Panthers' 2nd team vs. the Giants' 2nd and 3rd team

5/12 (42%), 74 yards (62.5 QB rating)

- This is the phase of the game where Cam got a little more sloppy and began throwing off his back foot more as a response to the pressure he was seeing. Simply put, the 2nd and 3rd string OL couldn't really protect Cam and I counted 5 QB hurries on these 12 pass attempts. Any time you're over 30% of hurried plays it shows the OL is letting the offense down, and Cam saw 42% of his passing snaps being pressured. Newton isn't without responsibility here because he will need to adapt to the pressure better, but this was also his first NFL start and I believe he was given the message to avoid running at any costs. We've seen this in practice and I think the coaching staff are asking him to force passes before looking to run. It's my belief that when the regular season comes along he'll be given more freedom to run when needed, and that will open everything up.

 

Summary

The moral of this story is that if you're trying to understand why Newton looked promising even with a low completion percentage then keep in mind that first phase of the game with the Panthers' starters. He played very well despite not having Steve Smith at WR and the right side of the line being very shaky without Geoff Schwartz at RG. The assertion that he was only playing against backups is wrong, in fact, he did better against the 1st team than he did against the 2nd and 3rd teams. 

Cam Newton is still a work in progress, but the poise he displayed, coupled with his ability as a pocket passer gives Panthers fans cause to be excited for the future, at least for now.

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He led the team on a couple of nice scoring drives.

I agree with your assessment. He did have a couple of ball dropped, as well—one would have been a TD, as you said.

Pretty much what I expected. That one throw to Olson…wow.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

good assessment

I think Rivera really wants to limit his running because injuries are possible, and it’s preseason, even though he’s bigger than most defensive players.

If Clausen plays better, this will be his last year in Carolina. He might not make it to the trade deadline. He wasn’t great, but he looks better than starters on some other teams. Don’t be surprised if the 49ers come calling, even if it isn’t until next season. He showed some promise, IMO.

The key for me was the run blocking. This looks like it’s gonna be another year of two RBs over 1,000 yds, and over 5 ypc.

Last, but not least, we held the Giants 1st team to no TDs. Our D looked good.

I’m more excited about this season than I have been in a long time.

by usana_gaines on Aug 15, 2011 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

And we were missing both starting DEs

Two starting LBs, and both starting CBs…

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy Nuts

If Our QB play improves, I believe we have a defense that is SuperBowl ready.

And over there in the tree, is a chipmunk nest. And that right there, is our corn, best in the city, it's delcious. And that is a crazy lady. So now you pretty much know what I do. Pretty dang exciting, huh?

by lazerlayell on Aug 15, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have a lot more depth than I thought. Everyone who played competed. That’s not something we could have said the last two or three preseasons.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I

Concur

And over there in the tree, is a chipmunk nest. And that right there, is our corn, best in the city, it's delcious. And that is a crazy lady. So now you pretty much know what I do. Pretty dang exciting, huh?

by lazerlayell on Aug 15, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did the 49ers just drafted a Qb in

Kolin C in which they traded up to get? I doubt the 49ers will trade for another. I could see the Seahawks, Bills, or Dolphins being interested if they can’t get Andrew L.

by adam carter on Aug 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Seahawks might be most interested.

All they’ve got is T-Jax and some dark-haired woman at QB.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

they also have

Charlie whitehurst. And honestly imo he is better than tavaris jackson anyway. Don’t be surprised if u see him starting at some point due to poor play by jackson.

by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 15, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

teehee

Yeah, my “dark-haired woman” bit was actually directed at Whitehurst’s long, flowing hair.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol was thinking he had more blonde hair, hence the reason dark haired confused me.

by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 15, 2011 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

At Clemson it was lighter.

He must have hit it with some Just for Men, or what not…

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, that's just for men, all right.

Gay men.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaepernick has a long adjustment period..

He’s not going to be ready this year, perhaps not really next year either.

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by D-Ranged1 on Aug 15, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Word.

Kaepernick looked AWFUL in his first game. More likely due to poor play up front, but still. Yikes.

"You know you're in Charlotte when every day while you're having lunch in the city you hear ... "GOD Scott Fowler is a retard!"

by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s going to be dangerous when he finally “gets it” though. 49ers might have a couple more losing seasons but if they focus the next two drafts on protecting him and bringing in a few more weapons, they’ll have a pretty good team.

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by D-Ranged1 on Aug 15, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, me too. One of my very good friends is a long-suffering 49ers fan, and I’ve always secretly pulled for them in recent years.

"You know you're in Charlotte when every day while you're having lunch in the city you hear ... "GOD Scott Fowler is a retard!"

by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Cali.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cali's nice.

Stay out of LA, and you’ll love it. Lol.

"You know you're in Charlotte when every day while you're having lunch in the city you hear ... "GOD Scott Fowler is a retard!"

by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loved L.A.

I did a road trip last year along the PCH. Landed at LAX, stayed in L.A. for five days, spent two days in San Diego, then passed through Monteray/Santa Barbara and stayed in San Mateo for a week.

I’d move their in a heartbeat, y’know if I didn’t have to have a visa and everything.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear most arranged marriages are lovely.

/sarcasm

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, if you find me a pretty asian Cali girl I'm there.

And in my experience there were plenty of those. Although I did stay in Korea town….

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The traffic in LA is enough to make you go on a rampage.

Not to mention the rest of it, lol. San Diego, though, is one of those beautiful, magical places on Earth. Santa Cruz, the Topanga Canyon areas, magnificent. Nothing like cruising down Pacific Highway 1 in a drop-top.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, we didn't have a drop top.

It’s a great drive though, lots of beautiful scenery.

We didn’t suffer at all from the traffic in L.A., but then I guess we didn’t drive during rush hour.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kapernick Had More Yards & A Higher Completion Percentage Than Cam Did

“D-Rangedt”, 49ers rookie QB Colin Kapernick had more yards (166, 119 passing, and 47 rushing, on 6 carries), and a higher completion percentage (9 of 19, to Cam’s 8 of 19) than Cam Newton did in their first starts. CK also faced a much stronger Monster of a pass rush, being sacked on 3 straight plays. Their starting QB Alex Smith (Is he better than Jimmy Clausen?) was totally helpless against the Saints defense, going 2 of 7, for only 10 yards.

CK was intercepted twice, and fumbled twice, but he was forced to run for his life by the Sants Monster pass rush. CK only started out 4 of 11, but he completed 7 of his last 8 passes. With almost no pass blocking, the 49ers QB’s might be running for their life all season. CK has a long way to go, but he wasn’t a #1 pick like Cam Newton, but a 2nd round pick, and teams that expect a 2nd round QB to start, and be a winner are fooling themselves. Unless Alex Smith dramatically improves, CK will be starting before the end of the season, just because he can run away from a pass rush.

by PanthersRoar on Aug 16, 2011 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutely agree..

I was the one that suggested Panthers trade down (or go with a non-QB) and then pick Kaepernick later in the draft before Cam really asserted himself as the #1 pick. I don’t really think Kaep performed better than Newton but I’ve got to watch the 49ers game again, closer, to really have an adequate opinion. His picks/fumbles really knocked him down a bit imo.

I don’t think Kaepernick is going to peak any time soon but I could definitely see him starting along the way. Kaep vs Smith is a lot like Cam vs Clausen.

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by D-Ranged1 on Aug 17, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

He looked better in his debut than others he has been compared to (Russell, Tebow)

There is alot of reasons to be optimistic about Cam’s success in Carolina and we all need to remember, he was playing without Steve Smith at WR. So we know he can move the ball. Let’s just hope he builds on the positives of the first game and learns from his mistakes.

You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.

by Disciple of Carolina on Aug 15, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

He looked OK for his 1st real pro snaps

Plus he helped give the crowd some enegry and somethign to cheer about… B of A stadium needs that this year.

by docnolz on Aug 15, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

who can?! cam can!

I’m pleased with the amount of positive reviews coming cams way. I thought, what with all the nay sayers, that they would slate him because on paper his accuracy was poor, or because he didn’t throw a td. I’m sure a lot of fans left boa feeling really positive.

Also it was interesting to see rivera’s take on cam post game. He said cam seemed to get a bit excited when the offence got near the red zone, which was effecting his throws and that would improve with time. Anyone at the game think this was a fair assessment? Difficult to tell cuz he’s always bloody smiling :)

by LimeyPanther on Aug 15, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Right.

If you didn’t watch the game, and just looked at a box score, Cam’s stat line does not look all that impressive. But if you watched all of his plays, he left us plenty of reasons to be excited.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rivera is doing the smart thing here.

He could have gushed about the positives from both Cam’s and Clausen’s performances (they both had good plays). But he chose to be the demanding teacher, and want more out of both than just a few good plays. He is demanding excellence and consistency. I don’t take it as criticism of the overall performance. They are men, and don’t need to be coddled with faint praise.

by bigdavis on Aug 15, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nor would said faint praise be respected by the recipient, if he felt it was undeserved.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

as i said..

in a previous post. Cam did better than Bradford in his pro season debut. Bradford’s stats; 5 of 13, only 54 passing yds, led no scoring drives and BTW Rams also lost that game.

I think Cam is off to a very solid start.

by PantherTrain on Aug 15, 2011 11:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

oh and lets also keep in mind, Bradford had the full off season for OTAs and camps whereas Cam barely had 2 weeks.

by PantherTrain on Aug 15, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

From the man himself:

“My performance was OK. It always could be better. After talking to Coach (Mike) Shula, there were some things that he saw that were good. But after grading myself I think we came off the field too many times and we left too many opportunities on the field. There are a lot of things that we can go watch on film and get better on, and that is what we are looking forward to doing tomorrow." – Newton on his NFL debut.

From Steve Reed’s article…

http://www.carolinagrowl.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=981:game-recap-thoughts-on-saturday-nights-20-10-win-over-the-giants

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I can say is that I expected a lot of overthrown passes and hurried gameplay from Cam. What we got was someone who looked relatively comfortable, and save for a few poor throws, had hit most of his receivers, who couldn’t get the ball due to good play by the D or drops.

I am very optimistic with Cam’s performance. All we can hope for is that he gets better as the preseason rolls along here. If he continues to show improvement, I doubt Rivera will hesitate to start him come week 1.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 15, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

My thoughts...

Jimmy Clausen did a great job (minus the 1 bad throw/misread). If he proves to be the best then he should start. I, as much as anyone, want to see what Cam can really do but I also want to see the team succeed more than I want to see Cam play. His time will come.

As far as Cam’s performance. It was much better than what I was expecting. CB’s made some nice plays but he didnt really throw any interceptable balls. Which in my opinion was great. He was reading defenses much better than what many believed he was capable of. Also, it appeared to me that he did a fairly good job at going through his progressions. It could have been better and of course it will get more complicated, but under the circumstances he did a good job. The main thing I was concerned about before the game was how he would do under center. I assumed that his snaps would have been more evenly split between shotgun and under center. I’m not sure of the count, but it seemed to me that the majority of his snaps were from under center. He didnt have any fumbles, no bobbled snaps, and his drop backs looked decent enough. If I didnt know better, you would have had a hard time convincing me that he came from a spread offense and had limited experience taking snaps from under center. His QB rating could have been better as could his completion percentage. But that will come with time and practice.

With all that being said, Cam is definitely on pace to being OUR franchise qb. Something we have never really had. JC will eventually become some other teams starting qb and possibly their franchise qb. But who knows. I believe we will continue to see vast improvements in Cam’s game and he will demand more from his teammates. Not just get them fired up after a hard hit like Jake used to do, but be fired up from the opening kickoff.

On a side note…I’m already looking forward to this time next year when Andrew Luck is compared to Cam and hoping that Cam has set the bar very high. Lucks loss in not becoming a Panther was a much better gain for us in getting Cam.

by Brandon Beaver on Aug 15, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Preseason replay

Are they going to replay the preseason game on one of the local stations anytime this week? If so what channel and time? I was out of town and would love to see Cam and co in action!

by Pantherfanasu14 on Aug 15, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

That would make too many people happy.

Instead, you’ll be forced to watch re-runs of The Young and the Restless and Happy Painting with Bob Ross on local television.

Failed humor aside, I think the only way to see them is on the NFL Network, or at NFL.com, you can get their “preseason package” (and be able to watch all 64 preseason games on demand), for like $15 or $20.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem.

Answer any questions you feel compelled to answer, friend.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey....

I happen to like happy little trees….

by Scrantsj on Aug 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too :)

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have it for 19.99 on NFL.com

This has been a public service announcement.......

by CaptainPanther on Aug 15, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

all preseason games live and replays!

This has been a public service announcement.......

by CaptainPanther on Aug 15, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes me glad I live locally. I’d hate to have to pay to see the Panthers play on TV.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 15, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Preseason games...

Looks like I wont get to make either home preseason game this year… asa a matter of fact won’t be there until Jacksonville game.

by docnolz on Aug 15, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

This reminds me of Matt Ryans first game...

against us. He lost the game, but it was very obvious, despite his stats, he was gonna be a very good qb.

When cam makes a perfect throw that is dropped, its hard to blame him even tho the stats do.

by Panthster on Aug 15, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I remember that game.

Pep blasted him in the face on the very first play, drawing a 15-yard penalty.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm one of the few not blown away by Newton then?

His physical talents are undeniable, but he needs to stop throwing off his back foot. It affects his accuracy and it takes a lot of velocity off the ball. He was floating a lot of passes on Saturday.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I agree that he needs to set his feet better.

But most of Cam’s deficiencies can be fixed, and fixed quickly.

I thought that he was able to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball down the field pretty well.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needs a lot of work in my opinion.

But of course that will shock nobody.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol. Color me unsurprised.

He just looks more comfortable than any QB we’ve had back there (yes, including Jake). He felt the rush instead of looking at it. The rush didn’t prohibit him from looking down-field…it actually encouraged him.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was too long ago, I've since forgotten/blocked it out.

I figured if not you, someone would say Jake had good pocket presence just b/c of the ‘Jake factor.’ He was actually kind of bad in that regard.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

captain interception

Still he helped us to the super bowl. Gotta cut him some slack…. Some

by LimeyPanther on Aug 15, 2011 6:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think:

he had a good zip on the ball

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by CaptainPanther on Aug 15, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has a strong arm, I'm not debating that.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Floaters get picked off. Which of his passes did you see as "floated"?

The one he intentionally threw over Barnidge’s head, OOB, doesn’t count. It had the velocity to get OOB, and that’s all it needed. I thought he had plenty of pace on the others.

by bigdavis on Aug 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

While tight windows, the out route to Olsen and overthrow on AE's TD route were both due to throwing off the back foot

Also, a low throw to the middle (can’t remember the receiver), made it so the receiver couldn’t fall backwards for the first down, and it was also due to throwing off the back foot. They weren’t wildly innacurate like Clausen’s weak ass lobs last year but there is room for improvement.

by ppalm on Aug 15, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Floaters as in 'he was throwing them high'

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find it easier to drop a floater

rather than hang on to it. That’s where I get a good bit of my CSR reading done too.

Wait you guys were talking about passes…

by Swamp Panther on Aug 15, 2011 6:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't say I was blown away with Newton, but I was certainly impressed.

When throwing off your back foot is one of the biggest issues you are having, when many people expected much worse issues (i.e. complete inability to be a pocket passer, unable to read a defense), there is plenty to be positive about.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 15, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was seeing the field very well.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did too.

I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 15, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed. He was better than I thought he'd be.

I still don’t see the need to rush him into action though. Let him sit and work out the mechanical issues with our new QB coach before you put him in the line of fire.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I waffle between baptism by fire snd easing him along.

I think he has the confidence to handle a rough season, but I can see where it would be wise to give him a post bye game introduction, a la Josh Freeman.

I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 15, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It so very rarely works that I'm loath to do it.

I’d only do it if the rookie QB is head and shoulders better than the other guys on the depth chart – which I don’t think Newton is at this point.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if the players truly respond better to Newton, that will be the difference maker.

Of course, we won’t truly know until he starts a preseason game and runs with the first team for a longer period of time.

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I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 15, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he'll start Friday

I think they’re going to alternate starts between the two.

Jimmy started Game 1, so Cam will start Game 2.

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Cam play much against the Giants' 1s?

I was so busy watching him I didn’t really get a chance to look at the D’s personnel.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't know.

That night was a blur to me…I was just excited that I could decompress and watch football for 3 hours.

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cam played against the 2nd team defense.

Aside from maybe a couple guys.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

Then, yeah, I want to see what he can do against a bonafide 1st team NFL defense. Miami should serve as a decent challenge, if their numbers from last year hold up.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If its truly a competition that would make sense.

Rivera would not comment on who the starter is going to be this week. That tells me that its Cam. If he was going to start Jimmy he would have no problem coming out and saying it.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

And to me there’s nothing wrong with taking this approach.

Jimmy starts games 1 and 3, and Cam starts games 2 and 4. They each get 2 games to run with the 1’s, and they each get 2 games to run with the 2’s and 3’s. It really does make perfect sense.

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

BW Smith what do you think about....

Most NFL teams project to have their starters do a test run in the 3rd preseason game playing them deep into the 2nd half. How do you think that will impact who plays the 3rd game??

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they'll share more time with the 1's in the 3rd game...

I think Jimmy would start and play the 1st quarter and 1/2 of the 2nd quarter, and Cam would play the rest of the 2nd quarter and the 3rd quarter.

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, he'll get a decent enough baptism by fire later on in the year

for now, i’m content to coddle him, just a bit, a la that first play they gave him just to get the cammy cam juices flowing.

oddly enough, the best thing for cam right now is a calm, confident clausen under center… i know, weird right?

by Floods on Aug 15, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

@oldamA
His physical talents are undeniable, but he needs to stop throwing off his back foot. It affects his accuracy and it takes a lot of velocity off the ball. He was floating a lot of passes on Saturday

this i totally agree with… i think that he needs to look at it like shooting a jump shot. When his feet are set and he steps into his throws he is extremely accurate. But he looks like a totally different quarterback when he does that “throwing off his back foot”….. i do think that alot of that is from him really being a raw prospect….AND not playing in the same system with the same players to develop more confidence in that aspect of his game.. But if he does focus more on setting his feet it would appear that would fix alot of misses…those last 3 passes of the first half really displayed that issue. (tho i must admit 2 of those passes looked like he just threw it away)

Newton is really of the most difficult prospects to figure out to be honest..very hard to gauge where he is… but seems to be very confident

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Newton is really of the most difficult prospects to figure out to be honest..very hard to gauge where he is… but seems to be very confident

And remember, the coaching staff has taken away one of his biggest assets during the preseason…the QB run. Makes it even harder to evaluate preseason action and try to take it and apply it to the regular season.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

His running threat will certainly open things up in the passing game for him,

but I really hope he uses it as a sucker punch, rather than as his jab.

He needs to develop as a passer first and foremost.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree.

I think everyone there (including Cam) understands that.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree... more Aaron Rodgers, less Michael Vick

Some would be surprised how much Rodgers runs the football (over 60 carries each of the last three years) but because he’s a passer first he’s never really thought have being a mobile QB who tucks and runs 5-6 times a game.

The different is that if Newton can be a pocket passer then when he does need to run there’s no reason he can’t pick up huge yards on the ground vs. Rodgers who gets 5-7 yards

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. And if we lived in a world without injury...

Cam could be the goal-line back. Just speaks to the physical tools he brings to the position.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

The threat with Newton is probably just as important as the yards he’ll pick up with his legs.

Like Vick, if you HAVE to spy him every play it opens up a receiver somewhere. Obviously for much of his career Vick wasn’t an accurate enough passer to take advantage of that. Let’s hope Newton is.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

@ OldamA I really like the way you said this
I really hope he uses it [running] as a sucker punch, rather than as his jab.

i’ll add that, if possible, I’d prefer it be a knockout sucker punch.

by Floods on Aug 15, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And remember, the coaching staff has taken away one of his biggest assets during the preseason…the QB run. Makes it even harder to evaluate preseason action and try to take it and apply it to the regular season.

i think other teams will find it hard to evaluate him. There just isn’t alot of tape of him doing what he is projected to do in the Panther offence. .. With Bradford i kinda of got a sense of “who he was” as a quarterback after a few games…. with Newton i think it will prolly take longer to figure that out…

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I've seen they're telling him to stay in the pocket and attack all levels of the defence with his arm.

I assume at some point they’ll tell him to start running when he sees the opportunity – but right now that temptation must be huge for the rookie, so they’re taking that option away from him (bar designed runs…..which I doubt we have many of).

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

And this is a brilliant strategy.

Break him down and build him back up in the mold of an NFL player. Take the characteristics he already has (strong in the pocket, unafraid) and use those while getting him out of the ‘run now’ instinct.

It’s curious that Newton is already taking the instruction that Vince Young never really did… extremely encouraging

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. I've been impressed with the new coaching staff so far.

It feels like we’re being run by smart people again.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

It’s been far too long.

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by ALAC on Aug 15, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Even during the good times with Fox & company I’d still questioned play calling. Last year was the worst, but even before that with Davidson and Henning there were questionable play calls.

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Or people who know how to win football games.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 15, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Break him down and build him back up in the mold of an NFL player. Take the characteristics he already has (strong in the pocket, unafraid) and use those while getting him out of the ‘run now’ instinct

I think i am prolly the only one who feels this way. But i think what your seeing isn’t the product of coaches telling him “not to run”. I really truely believe he is reverting back to what he normally does. In the last part of the 2010 college season he settled in and really did not run much at all during passing plays….it really seems to me that this is just who he is as a quarterback….but then again we did see a small volume of plays to really base this off of.

I think the Auburn broad cast crew said it best “he has a unique feel for when to take off and run”…. this is really something that has to be instinctive. … I know pre draft it sounded like i was a Cam Newton Agent lol. But i really believe that you see is what you get. That instinctively he does want to pass… this isn’t a bad thing. And i agree that a Aaron Rodgers comparision is very close to what i see with him…. but i also think he will have games (during the regular season) when he may take off more…. and some games where you say “why didn’t he run”… that is kinda what my gutt feeling (eye ball test) tells me.

I do think the coaches spoke to him about it… but i am leaning more toward “it is what it is”.. that is just who he is in a Pro system….. now Kapernick is close to what many projected Newton to be at this stage.

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

THIS

Its a shame these forums have too many "cheerleaders" and people who get most of their LOL "football knowledge" from the talking heads in the media, and not from individual study. How I wish there were more people with actual football acumen that can forward the conversation and advance the sport...

by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This may be true

But I really don’t believe the staff is telling him to stay in the pocket. I believe he threw those passes because they were the correct reads and he saw it when it opened up. It’s really not difficult to throw the ball to the open receiver “if you see it”. Unfortunately there are alot of QB’s that can’t grasp the speed of the game and make the reads at the same time so they get flustered and run. Cam and Mallet did see it and Christian Ponder did not

Its a shame these forums have too many "cheerleaders" and people who get most of their LOL "football knowledge" from the talking heads in the media, and not from individual study. How I wish there were more people with actual football acumen that can forward the conversation and advance the sport...

by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Locker

was a little bit of both

Its a shame these forums have too many "cheerleaders" and people who get most of their LOL "football knowledge" from the talking heads in the media, and not from individual study. How I wish there were more people with actual football acumen that can forward the conversation and advance the sport...

by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found this to be very interesting Coach n um

It appears that instinct really takes presidents over a system a player played in. Almost going back to the raw uncut (either you have “it” or you don’t). It is waaaaaaaaay to early to tell of course. But instinctively Cristian Ponder and Jake Locker just looked so average…they remind me of many back up qb’s around the league…. i mean that in the sense that when you see them out there my gutt just tells me that they can only play to a certain level and will never be a “all pro” type skill level… again way to early to tell but just what my gutt tells me

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Christian Ponder will eventually be a very good QB

I don’t think he’ll be Peyton Manning level, but I think his ceiling is somewhere in the Eli Manning range. Not elite, but good enough to win a SB if surrounded by the right pieces.

When I look at Locker, I see career backup. I could be wrong, but that’s just what I see from him.

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like Locker.

He’s got guts, he may not play a pretty game, but he has the tools to be a winner in this game. Almost reminds me of Jake Plummer.

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by Flowing Willow on Aug 15, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

For his sake, I hope not.

Plummer wasn’t that great.

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waaa? This guy? Not good?

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by Ivan459 on Aug 15, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on the facial expression, I’d wager that if we could see behind the cameraman, there would be a BoBerry Biscuit on a string.

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Ivan459 on Aug 15, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I said almost.

Kind of like Newton and Vince Young comparisons. Newton will be what Young was supposed to be. Locker could be a Jake Plummer that reaches his full potential.

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by Flowing Willow on Aug 16, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Locker Looked Shockingly Better Than Expected

Sorry to disagree “BW”, but Jake Locker looked shockingly better than I ever thought he con, while Christian Ponder just looked like a typical rookie QB.

Locker looked surprisingly accurate passer in his first game, the exact oposit of what I expected. In every game in college Locker would totally miss (by a wide distance) a few wide open receivers, and he didn’t do it in his first game.

Watching the Vikings play, it was shocking to hear how many times the announcing team said that Ponder’s lack of good height was keeping him from seeing over the line to find open receivers.

by PanthersRoar on Aug 16, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t have to be sorry to disagree with me “PanthersRoar”. We see different things when looking at the two QB’s…no big deal.

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by BW Smith on Aug 16, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that many of Cam's miscues were about familiarity

and he will fix that just by working on refining his timing with his receivers and just getting some chemistry with his targets. Once he figures out what his receivers can and cannot do, watch out….

by chatoka on Aug 15, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

it will most likly happen after roster cuts… and remember they only had 2 weeks to prepare in all new systems….for that my hats off to BAMF and co

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by CaptainPanther on Aug 15, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most important aspect of Cam's feet

is that they are not happy.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not.

He just needs to set them and step into the throw. Far too many times did he throw off his back foot or while “falling back”. I’m ecstatic about how far along he is. (Mostly because I said he would be) The things he needs to work on are easily fixable. I think the coaching staff is doing a masterful job with both Newton and Clausen. We very well could end up with two very solid quarterbacks when the dust settles.

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by ALAC on Aug 15, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree.

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I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 15, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that many of Cam’s miscues were about familiarity and he will fix that just by working on refining his timing with his receivers and just getting some chemistry with his targets. Once he figures out what his receivers can and cannot do, watch out….

imagine what he could be after a season of experience in the same system (something he hasn’t had in 5 years)… Once he is reacting and not thinking!!!… just my opinion but if he can fix the “setting his feet issue”… (which i think is a easy fix once he calms down) he could seriously have a chance to be what Josh freeman is….only more like “Josh Freeman extreme”

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cam is a Beast!

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by CaptainPanther on Aug 15, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Get out.

For real?

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by ALAC on Aug 15, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a question nothing to do with Cam...... is it likely we will get the Kraken back for Miami?

Well… and everyone else for that matter… CJ, Smitty, Beast, TD, Gamble, Capt, etc.

by jai6y6 on Aug 15, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

No. Kraken said on Sat that he is two weeks away.

He said he should be back for PIT.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

kraken?

That’s a nickname I’ve never heard before. Who are u speaking of?

by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 15, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

greg hardy

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by CaptainPanther on Aug 15, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a moster from Clash of the Titans.

“Releasing the Kraken” is kind of like taking the collar off of a rabid attack dog.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

In addition...
Its a moster from Clash of the Titans.

It’s also the monster that ate CAPTAIN….Jack Sparrow.

Actually, it’s far older than either of those movies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakken

I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on Aug 15, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spoiler alert?

And wait, it’s older than a twentieth century movie? Shocker!

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 'real' Clash of the Titans is from 1981.

Mind you.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should also check out

The song “Release The Kraken” by one of the greatest rock bands you’ve probably never heard of, Clutch. They should play it for Hardy during pre-game intro. =)

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody needs to tweet Greg to see if he knows about the nickname.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Agree

I really wana know if he approves, cause I kinda wana get his Jersey with Kraken on it.

by RicFlairOGP on Aug 15, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be tits.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

tits?

Is that good or bad? Sounds good

by LimeyPanther on Aug 15, 2011 6:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's an awesome way of saying something's awesome.

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I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Aug 15, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

How could tits ever be interpreted as bad?

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh...my...God.

Back-titty reduction surgery? Please?

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by ERL on Aug 16, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it were me, I’d get nipples tattooed so I could have two sets of titties…but I’m fucked up like that.

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by BW Smith on Aug 16, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL

Wow. That’d be hot.

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by ERL on Aug 16, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baby got back!

Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!

by Newsinz on Aug 16, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've never had to answer this question before
tits?
Is that good or bad? Sounds good

but, yes, yes you are correct. Tits are, in point of fact, good.

by Floods on Aug 15, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funniest Football Movie Ever, "John Goldfarb Please Come Home"

It’s an old 1964 film starting Richard Crena & Shirley McClain, where is a famous college football coach called “Wrong Way” Goldfarb, because he once took his team to Washington St., when he had a road game againse Miami. Because of that, he’s now a CIA pilot ot a spy plane sent to fly over the USSR, but the plane goes of course, and crashes in an Arab country, wher the king takes him prisioner.

The Kings favorite son has just returned home after failing to make the Notre Dame football team (when they were the monsters of college football), so the King tells Goldfarb that he can coach the football team he’s starting for his son(Faz U), or he and his plane will turned over to the russians. The CIA has already gotten on the king’s bad side by giving him a set of pigskin lugage, so the king tells the CIA to get Notre Dame to play his “new” football team, or he will send Goldfarb and his plane to the russians.

Notre Dame finally agrees to come to the Kingdom for the game and the CIA triies to convince their HC (Scott Brady) to throw the game (if they win Goldfard and his plane go to the russians). The CIA agent gets frustrated when the coach says he won’t throw the game, and ask the coach, “Do you know the penalty for treason?” The HC replies, “No, but I sure know the penalty for losing at Notre Dame”.

The CIA guy is the head ref for the game, which leads to some very unusual penalty callls, such as:

“Off sides Notre Dame, 25 yard penalty”, causing the Notre Dame HC to rush the ref, yell “Off sides is only 5 yards”, then the ref says, “Fazuian rules”, and then the HC throws him to the graound, as 2 of the King’s giant palace guards pull him off, drag him to the bench, and thow him down. The CIA ref the stands up and says “Unnecessary roughness Notre Dame, 25 yard penalty”.

Notre Dame then breaks free for a long TD, but prayer call happens in the middle of the play, so everyone but Notre Dame drops down to pray. The CIA ref then calls, “Time out for prayer call, the ball goes to Faz U”, causing 1 of the Notre Dame players rips his helmet in half.

On another break away TD run for Notre Dame, they unleash a camel stampead, causing them to run back for a safety.

The Notre Dame HC gets mad and says, “Alright, no more nice guy, take the chains off Chang”. Then a giant stands up (looks like he’s 7 feet tall, and 400 pounds), runs on the field for 1 play, tossing off every tackler, until a around 4 feet tall player pulls a sword , and chases him into the deasert.

On the first offensive play for Faz U, everyone goes offsides, and start biting the Notre Dame players legs and arms, while they lay on the ground. The CIA ref goes to the young Prince (around 5-5, 120) who’s playing QB, He sak the Prince, “Do you know your team was off sides?” The Prince nods yes, and the ref ask “Do you promise not to do it again?” the Prince says yes, and the ref just says “Good boy”, and doesn’t call a penalty.

by PanthersRoar on Aug 16, 2011 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am going to have to see this.

It sounds epic.

I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus

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by The Duke Dude on Aug 16, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

i know what the kraken is,

I was just wondering who had the nickname. Hadnt heard it before.

by braves&panthers4ever on Aug 15, 2011 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I only caught Cam's first two series....

and it sounded like his mechanics broke down after that, but the one thing I noticed about Cam in comparison to Jimmy was his decision making. Really enjoyed how the ball was coming out of his hand as soon as his back foot hit during the drop back. And, on the flip side, was disappointed that it was taking Jimmy a lot longer to get rid of the ball.

This could be a product of the more vertical routes, but it’s always nice to see the ball in the air quickly after the drop back.

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by Foxism on Aug 15, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

You make a good point.

(And your signature contains the most brilliant Foxism, crafted and culminated after years of practice.)

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by CaptainPanther on Aug 15, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a very good point

I noticed that too, Clausen still hesitates quite a bit in getting the ball out, which results in more hurries/sacks than should happen in this offense. A lot of Clausen’s scrambles out of the pocket last year and still evident in the preseason were of indecisiveness. He seems to rarely want to throw the ball unless the receiver has a full 5-10 yards of space padding in every direction.

by ppalm on Aug 15, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's careful...which is fine...if you have 5 all-pros on the OL.

With what we have on the OL, he needs to speed up his progressions and decision making.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trying to understand why Newton looked promising?

How about coming out after only one week of practice in an NFL system, and showing the unrefined, yet ability to whip the ball through defenders like few in this league can. Yeah, the verdict is still out on Cam… but in no way did he fail to show the potential that awaits.

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by southtunnel on Aug 15, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone reading anything into the way the coaches played our QBs on Saturday?

Looks like they have Jimmy pegged as the starter for the week one, seeing as they played him for the first quarter, seemed pleased enough, and then let Cam play the 2nd and 3rd. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

The week one starter hasn't been determined...

The idea was to work both Clausen and Newton with the first team, and my guess is they threw Clausen out there first to see what the defense was bringing.

All along I’ve been saying that I expect Clausen to start games 1 and 4, Newton to start 2 and 3, and ultimately start week one

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I was kinda hoping they’d give the 4th to Jimmy, let him run a two minute offense. I would have liked to have seen him in that spot, instead of DA.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked at that as more of a vote of confidence for Jimmy than anything.

I think they know more of what they have with him and they trust it. With Cam, there were more unknowns so they wanted to give him more overall snaps.

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by ALAC on Aug 15, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping that's so.

Really want Jimmy to play well, if only for trade value.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

It wouldn’t kill us to actually have two QB’s on the roster that can play either.

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by ALAC on Aug 15, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't realy see what else Jimmy could have proven against the 2s or 3s

He got to play against (most of) the 1’s. That is as much value as both of Cam’s quarters. Plus Cam needed to see more of the speed of the game than Jimmy did. Cam needed to be out there longer.

It will be interesting to see how they split the next 2 games. If Cam starts do you give him 1st and 3rd quarters? Or does Jimmy get 2 and 3 this time?

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by Oi2dwrld on Aug 15, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you think it’s possible we could have both Jimmy and Cam playing in the earlier games? Might not be a bad idea, really. Generally speaking, though, I don’t like QB by committee in the pro game.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was referring to the preseason games

Once the regular season starts I think they’ll stick with a guy for a while. If it’s Clausen then I think he’ll get 8-10 starts, if it’s newton then I think he’ll start all 18

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heard it here first!

James is on record as saying that we’ll make the playoffs, hence Newton starting all ‘18’ games. Divisional round or Conference Championship.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahaha…. normally I know why I made a typ… this time, I don’t.

I guess my mind saw 8-10 and said ‘there are 18 in a season!’

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I’ll come back and find this thread when he starts 18 games this year.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

+The Newt

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by The Duke Dude on Aug 15, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what I was thinking (hoping)..

Thanks for your thoughts, James.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will be very curious to see what happens with the QB situation in Miami.

The Dolphins were one of the few teams that were high on Clausen. One wonders if he has a good outing against them and Henne/Moore still look mediocre if they wouldn’t throw a pick or a player our way.

Purely hypothetical: If the Dolphins offered Brian Hartline straight up for Clausen would anyone here take it?

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd ask for a mid-late conditional just because Jimmy plays QB.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hellz no.

It’s a bad situation actually – even if Clausen plays like a Pro-Bowl QB, people will always be clamoring for Newton.

The best we can hope for is that he plays well enough to warrant someone giving up a 2nd rounder or so. It certainly doesn’t benefit us to trade him after a good pre-season.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure we'd ever get a 2nd rounder for him.

Unless he gets extensive action in the regular season (and plays exceedingly well).

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just thinking..

I’d take the 2nd in a heartbeat if someone were to actually offer such.

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by D-Ranged1 on Aug 15, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kolb and Schaub warranted big hauls.

I’m talking about Clausen starting say the first 8-10 games this season and playing well.

Someone will be interested.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see.

If that happens we might be inclined to keep him.

Because if he is playing well then we should have a winning record.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the surface I agree with you...

But, just supposing someone comes to us with a Kolb like deal (starting CB or DT AND a 2nd round pick) then we absolutely would have to take it

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wanna throw in a DRC then hell yes.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Kolb turns out to be even a serviceable QB then he's right to be.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

newton injury risk insurance?

If they do let the leash of cam and he starts running all over the place we’ll need a decent qb back up. I hope jimmeh is up to the task personally. I don’t think he’ll want to leave this season anyway. Got a point to prove to all the fans booing him.

by LimeyPanther on Aug 15, 2011 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, like I said - people won't care, they'll want Newton.

It’s a process that has already been set in motion. Even Clausen knows that he’s auditioning for another job.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This still isn't the right offense for Jimmy's skills

He’s just not a good enough vertical passer for what the team is going to do.

I really don’t wish him any ill will, but like Matt Moore I hope he finds greener pastures somewhere else (and lets us get a good return while he’s at it)

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

But why do that when you have a QB with more upside who also fits the offense?

And you can call the offense you want to call? Why tailor the offense around Jimmy’s inability to throw deep frequently when you can tailor the offense around Cam’s running ability and still keep the deep threat?

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Co-Rect.

I’m really pulling for Jimmy to play well, though. I’ve given him so much crap over the last two years that I’m starting to feel like we’re married. ;)

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree…I want Jimmy to play well when he’s in there…hopefully he will draw interest from another team and we can get decent compensation while Jimmy gets a shot to start in a system that is more fit for his skillset.

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is all a moot point really. We didn’t draft Cam #1 overall to sit behind Clausen. As long as Newton continues what he did on Saturday, he will start come September 11.

Clausen is not the future of this team. I’m sorry, but he isn’t.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 15, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every QB is. Just doubt it is for a job here unless he is content backing Cam up.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 15, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's auditioning for a job elsewhere.

Even if he’s the better QB, Newton will start. The writing was on the wall in April.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is simply not true this year.

Last year, sure, that OC wasn’t smart enough to call plays that suited anyone’s skill set. Chud has so far been quite adept at calling plays that give his QB a chance to succeed; be it Newton or Clausen. If we’d had these coaches last year, I’d dare say we’d never have gotten the #1 pick. If somehow we still did get the #1, we wouldn’t have used it on a QB because we would have had a reason to believe in Clausen. But given the reality of what happened last year and the timing of the coaching change, this year’s pick had to be Newton.
Honestly, I think it’s for the best that things worked out the way that they did. I also believe that Clausen will succeed in this league, if given a proper environment. Chud/Rivera will be the best thing that every happened to Clausen’s career as they set him up to be a long-term career backup in carolina, or a starter on another team if his upside turns out to be high enough. I don’t believe they’d keep him here if he showed Kolb/Kassel (sp?) level potential after a season or two of study with proper coaches. We have too many other needs and QB’s can be valuable trade bait. If his ceiling is that of a career backup, then he’ll have a long stable career in Carolina.

by Floods on Aug 15, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If San Diego can sucker a second round pick for Charlie Whitehurst out of Seattle...

we should be able to get good value out of Clausen. It’s not the perfect situation for him (no OL, mediocre run game) but schematically he’ll be in place to succeed.

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by Flowing Willow on Aug 16, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also reunites him with his favorite college receiver, Golden Tate.

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by GooseCreek on Aug 16, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Whole heartedly

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by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we had a full pre-season, with OTAs and all,

I’d probably take that. I just think with the shortened amount of preparation the players have this year, Jimmy’s a reasonably good insurance policy if Cam goes down to an injury.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

imo

They’ll run with Moore or wait and draft someone. Moore has a better understanding and is “more” comfortable in that system than Jimmy showed last year. No need to regress

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by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Davidson in Miami these days?

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

O-line coach for the Vikes.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah

But In Miami they run the same offensive system

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by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Run, run, pass, punt?

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

something like that

Erhhart-Perkins

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by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No thanks.

In my opinion, Hartline doesn’t bring much to the party that we don’t already have. I wouldn’t take less than a third round pick for Jimmy.

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by ALAC on Aug 15, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree James

While I’m talking, Foxism stated in an above post that he enjoyed watching Cam drop back and no more get the back foot planted than he was releasing the ball. I think he may be a split second too fast in his release in that he needs to get planted before the release. My opinion.

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by goofygolfer on Aug 15, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

He was seeing things open up so fast he hurried the ball out of his hands before he could plant his lead. I think he was a step ahead and things were moving slow to him which is great. As far as this talk of him running, he should be similar to Vick and Rodgers in this respect and only run when he can’t see it or if everything has broken down.

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by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write up Jaxon!

After watching this first pre-season game, I’m VERY optimistic about the direction we’re heading!

by JAKE_OB on Aug 15, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Gah.

First of all, who cares what King thinks? Secondly, did the OP over there read that King thought it was a tie between Mallet and Cam? Not that Cam played better? And lastly, if the faithful over there at MCM didn’t WATCH the damn game, which it’s clear they didn’t by the commetns that were made, why say anything about it at all?

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s kind of my only problem. Accuse King of not watching the game and then make comments about Newton that show you didn’t watch the Panthers game.

But yes… everyone whose given Newton praise must be wrong, all of them… Peter King, John Clayton, Colin Cowherd, Herm Edwards… the list goes on

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's add Michael Lombardi to the list...
Newton: Short-term sacrifice, long-term gains
If we learned anything from watching Carolina’s 20-10 win over the Giants Saturday night, it was that Cam Newton obviously possesses the raw talent to be a franchise quarterback deserving of the first overall pick. This was not a stellar performance, but rather a peek into the true potential, the real talent that Newton possesses. Newton needs all the reps he can get — to help him both mentally and physically, as he adapts to the speed of the game. The best move the Panthers can make for the future is to play Newton as much as possible now, in the preseason, and prepare him to start the regular season. They will take some lumps in the short term, but it will help make the Panthers a legitimate playoff team in a few years

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Squee.

Cam’s got a future in this league, methinks. =)

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still think the route Freeman took in TB is the worst we can expect. Our team is significantly better than the one he played on in 09 however. I don’t think though that Cam will fare as poorly as Freeman did that year. Our team is a helluva lot better than that 09 Bucs team.

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by Ivan459 on Aug 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Those were stat line comments… And regardless of competition, Mallett had the best rookie debut performance. His skill set is perfect for that system

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by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Or if you're good with a video camera.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Zing!

Well played.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

+Belicheat

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by The Duke Dude on Aug 15, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Mallett

All I’ll say is this…it’s really, really easy to look good in a situation where there is absolutely no pressure for you to get up to speed quickly. When you have no chance of starting unless a guided missile takes out Brady. And also, he was playing against guys that will be bagging groceries in a couple of weeks.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cam doesn’t have that luxury.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Point

It doesn’t take much to thrive in, but I was talking more about his college training under Petrino set him up well.

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by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

By no means

Is it easy to look good on any level. Mallett was conditioned to look good in that system. Case in point Clausen. Arrived in Carolina after being taught that system for 4 years and did not thrive in it. Mallett has some gifts that Clausen doesn’t.

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by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh c'mon now.

Firstly it was three years and secondly although it was the same system, Weis and Davidson were on different pages of the play book.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If by "gifts"

You mean the ability to put every illegal substance known to man into your bodily orifices, then yes, I agree.

And make no mistake, Jimmy’s a good QB. Great? Maybe not. But he can do the damn thing, if he has a functional coaching staff. Look at Saturday night, if you need proof.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This needs to go on Jimmy's official scouting report...
Great? Maybe not. But he can do the damn thing, if he has a functional coaching staff.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said that at the time.

Maybe I should be a scout….

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

The guy went out and played well against New York’s 1s. He made a mistake, which could have been the receiver’s problem, recovered well, and even though Pierre-Paul made Gross look like the Tin Man, pre-oilcan, he put points on the board for us. Definitely showing some improvement in the clearly superior system BAMf and crew has implemented.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

Our opinions differ and that’s fine. I just don’t think Jimmy is a better talent at QB than Mallett.

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by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, hold up a sec.

Not that I think Mallett is a poor QB, mind you. I just think the guy’s got some off-the-field issues. On the field, he might well be a better physical talent than Jimmy.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mallet has a stronger arm of course.

To be honest I really liked him coming out of college. He’s a bit of a gun slinger, but he’s done it in a pro-style offence at a big college.

He needs to bulk up a little, and of course I’ve no idea about his off field antics, but physically he’s gifted.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a player...i am sorry but Mallet is light years better than Jimmy.. i am just saying

It really isn’t even close….no facts to back this up. Just my opinion from watching them play. Mallet played against back ups….however he still displays >> pocket awareness…presense….ball placement at every level of the passing game…size….and very decisive. He looks the part

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

...i would add....

.would i want him as my QB?.. i would be very scared of that prospect because of off the field concerns

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said earlier

Mallett’s not trying to be a starter. He has no pressure to perform right away, so he can afford to take it as slow as the coaching staff wants. And Jimmy’s played against 1s. When Mallett can do that as well, I’ll agree with you. Physically, Mallett certainly looks better than Jimmy, but there’s a mental aspect to this game as well, and I think Jimmy’s got that guy roundly beaten in that area.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i could only consider him roundly winning in mental toughness IF...

he played well… they both are at square one in that regard. Jimmy has had to deal with getting boo’d and having to play in a horrible situation. But fact remains he did not play well …so hard to give him credit for “mental toughness”… maybe he can get sympathy but not credit for mental toughness, To his credit it is a tough situation.

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's talking about mental toughness.

But rather the reading defenses, film study, the type of mental work you have to put in to be a QB.

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by Flowing Willow on Aug 16, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was

also counting last year. The system is the system IMO. The play calling may be different but the checks and reads are the same. I saw Mallett handle it correctly and the OC there is not Weis

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by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Please use the reply button.

And no – if Weis has Clausen attacking the short and intermediate routes, then Davidson has Clausen throwing deep every other play then it’s basically a different system.

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by OldhamA on Aug 15, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

From a Giants Fan your QB Cam looked good BUT...

He never faced the Giants 1st Team Defence. The only player from GMens 1st Team was Chris Canty by the time Cam came in the game.

Nevertheless he looked good for a rookie but you can tell he has happy feet when pressed . He’s also not used to the speed fo the game. Overall you guys got a good one. I think he will get you back to the Play offs again.

by GiantsFanForlife1 on Aug 15, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

ahhh... i did use it (reply)

but I wasn’t next in line… And hey, the system is still the system. The checks and reads are the same even if the play calling is different. I never said that Davidson was a better play caller, but Jimmy had responsibilities as well

Its a shame these forums have too many "cheerleaders" and people who get most of their LOL "football knowledge" from the talking heads in the media, and not from individual study. How I wish there were more people with actual football acumen that can forward the conversation and advance the sport...

by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...

sorry you feel that way. btw… I’m just here to talk football. So I’ll just stick to that, regardless of when and where my posts show up. thanks anyway

Its a shame these forums have too many "cheerleaders" and people who get most of their LOL "football knowledge" from the talking heads in the media, and not from individual study. How I wish there were more people with actual football acumen that can forward the conversation and advance the sport...

by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, it does make it easier to follow the conversations when the reply button is used correctly.

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

noted...

Its a shame these forums have too many "cheerleaders" and people who get most of their LOL "football knowledge" from the talking heads in the media, and not from individual study. How I wish there were more people with actual football acumen that can forward the conversation and advance the sport...

by Coach n um on Aug 15, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll re-phrase Oldham's sentiment

Thanks for commenting here. We always like to hear from new voices who provide new perspectives.

It does help to keep everything organized and easier to follow if you’re able to use the system as intended. We all forget the reply button from time to time, but it avoids the ‘were you talking to me?’ conversations that come from everything being posted in the vanilla form.

Each post should have an individual reply button on them, this will allow you to respond to the comment regardless of where it falls in the comment section.

BW did a really great ‘how to’ guide too… you can find it here

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what Oldham meant. ;-)

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by BW Smith on Aug 15, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man.

We’re hoping so.

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by ALAC on Aug 15, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

in all fairness.... i think he was very poised on the pocket and did not look rattled at all even with pressure

….i think that was a fairly decent effort for all the pressure he has on him … having 2 weeks of practice..in his first game….while he managed to maintain his fake smile (that must be difficult)

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

My issue with starting Newton right away...

Is that it’s very difficult to correct problems with mechanics when you are playing every week. It was well documented in this article that when Cam started feeling the pressure, he reverted back to throwing off his back foot. He is strong in the pocket. More so than just about any QB I’ve seen. He’s so big, he just drops back and even with chaos all around him, he stands in there as if he were by himself. He looked good with the first team, but I’m worried that when teams realize that all you have to do is put pressure on him in order to cause bad throws, we’ll get blitzed on almost every play.

I still think that Cam needs to sit for a while, work on his mechanics in practice and then start midway through the season, assuming we aren’t winning under someone else. That way there is less pressure on him to be great from the word go. He’ll have time to mature and develop into the QB that everyone wants him to be.

by Josephd0 on Aug 15, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Good points.

However, in the regular season, when Cam has the green light to run, I think teams are going to find it difficult to really pin him down back there, and that will put them in a situation where they can’t just come downhill at him. He’s big enough to break sacks, a la Roethlesberger, and he’s also quick enough to make a defense pay if he breaks out into the open.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Agree, but I still think he should sit

Just because he can go out there and compete doesn’t mean he should start right away. Not unless the coaches honestly feel that we will be a playoff team with him starting from day one. Unless he corrects his issues with his throwing mechanics, he’ll never be worth the #1 overall pick. Scrambling QB’s are fun to watch, but he’s going to need to be a pocket passer if we ever hope to be more than just entertaining.

by Josephd0 on Aug 15, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he has better overall mechanics right now than Jimmy.

Or do you mean footwork, specifically?

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

is way over-blown. I’d bet that if you took a poll of every coaching staff in the NFL, you’d find that the number of QBs that have “great” mechanics would be in the minority. Besides, the whole point of good mechanics is getting the ball high enough to get it over the tall D-linemen in the NFL. I think Cam is plenty big enough to accomplish that. In Saturday’s game, he had great pace, decent accuracy and decent touch. I think his improvement going to come from game-time experience moreso than from adjusting his mechanics. He needs to get the playbook down first. Then, he needs to work on identifying defensive looks and shifts. He also could use a bit more practice at seeing the speed of NFL defenses. THEN, we can start talking about altering his mechanics. Anything other than that progression and he’s not going to be ready to start opening day. IMO, a #1 pick should be able to come in and instantly improve your team. Otherwise, why take them at #1?

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um..

Title line should have said “I think the conversation about throwing mechanics”. Lol, sorry.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must say that the specific issue with his Mechanics is that with pressure directly in front of him he doesn't step up...

… he throws off of his back foot. And this changes his accuracy big time…..WITH that being said ..guess what?.. this is a common issue with more than Half of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL.

I believe that this issue can be fixed with Playing time. Once he calms down and is able to get the “awe” of being in the League. His competitiveness will come out and likely alot of those simple issues will fix themselfs

It really isn’t his throwning motion at all.. it is just a habit he gets into when pressure is coming directly infront of him…. pressure off the edges he just ignores and steps up…….really this isn’t as big a issue…. like a jump shooter needs more shoots in order to get into a groove… once you calm down you stop shooting wild shots as often and you set your feet and shoot…. that is what i see from Newton. There is nothing at all wrong with his throwing motion when he doesn’t revert to that “off the back foot crap”

by Shankdiddy on Aug 15, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching Mike and Mike right now

And Greeny is gushing about Cam. I mean he’s drooling over him as much if not more than we are haha. It’s nice to hear some good things about our Panthers, for what its worth. Just been too long.

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by KaiserBromley on Aug 15, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Pardon my French

But fuck that little shit. All I heard from Greeny before our pre-season game was how awful we were, and now he’s all over Cam’s dick. Every time that guy speaks all I hear is “Flip. Flop. Flip. Flop.”

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I feel you

I take their opinions, along with almost everyone else at ESPN, with a grain of salt. It’s just nice to hear some good things, regardless of the source.

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by KaiserBromley on Aug 15, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

True that.

I kinda like people hating on us, though. Give our boys some fire.

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by The Kackalack Kid on Aug 15, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about his throwing motion

You can have a bad throwing motion and still be accurate. Phillip Rivers is a good example. However, his footwork is the biggest issue. It causes him to throw high and low. His last play in the game Saturday is a good example of this. It was 3rd and around 7 and he threw a strike to a tight end (I think) but the ball was low and the receiver had to go down low to get it and as a result ended up being short of the first down. Had that ball been up where the receiver could have caught the ball while still on his feet, the receiver could have fallen forward for a first down.

Also, JC doesn’t have to be better overall to start. My reason’s for sitting Newton have to do with him having the tools to be successful. B/C once he’s ready to play, it’s his job to keep or give away. There won’t be a competition next year. That’s why I don’t think we need to rush him. Let him correct his issues before trying to start. Let Jimmy play and maybe we’ll get something for him if he plays well enough. If he doesn’t we can just release him. Newton will be better of sitting and watching and working on his mechanics in practice.

by Josephd0 on Aug 15, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotcha.

I just don’t know if RR is going to exhibit that kind of patience. I don’t know if he will potentially forfeit wins early on to ensure Cam’s proper development.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

On that play you described,

was there any danger of the pass getting picked off if it was higher? I didnt record the game so i cant go look.

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by MrBernz on Aug 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

More of a question for an 'open' thread, but why was Garry Williams starting at RT? Here we go again?

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it was a precaution

Otah had some shoulder soreness, which can happen post surgery so they wanted to ensure he’s 100% okay

by James Dator on Aug 15, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will forgo judgement until Sept 11th, then.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ron Green reported it was a knee.

I don’t know who to believe. The nfl site should have had an injury report with the info on their game page but they had 0 listings for either team. Damn slackers!

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by MrBernz on Aug 15, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weak, NFL.com. Weak.

We’ve all just kind of gotten numb with the Otah thing, but Goddammit I hope he can play 16 games this season.

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by ERL on Aug 15, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Greenburg on Mike and Mike basically drooled over Cam Newton for 4 hours it was funny. Also interesting to see somebody from ESPN who actually watched our game.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 15, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Cam got high praise from every show i seen on ESPN today. Said he still has stuff to learn but looked very poised and commanded the huddle in just his first game

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by MMA_PITBULL on Aug 15, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks James...

…I haven’t had the time to watch the DVR and see for myself how he went, but this synopsis will give me things to look for, and maybe to see things I wouldn’t have seen.

I hope Shula does a good job on the investment.

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