Cam Newton, The GOAT
So I was thinking, Cam Newton has all the tools to be the greatest football player of all-time. The guy I think about most when it comes to Cam's potential is Damon Allen. Who the hell is that? you might ask. He is Marcus Allen's brother and he played in Canada. Obviously, if he played in the NFL, he wouldn't have been as successful. But let's look at my comparison between him, Cam, and other greats.
Damon Allen ran for almost 12,000 yards as a QB. His passing numbers are obscene like most of the best CFL QBs, but he stands out to me for his running. I mean, he has 72,000 yards passing, but Brett Favre in the CFL would be closing in on six figures. He also had over 50 rushign TDs, again, in the CFL. Cam is the guy who can get it done year in and year out running and throwing. But why do I say he can be the best ever?
Well, for starters, you need certain physical tools to be the best ever. He has the size, the strength, and solid throwing mechanics, including a quick release and a nice deep ball. I think only one other QB has ever come out of college with greater physical tools than Cam, and that guy is Michael Vick. Vick could have been the best ever if his talent was matched to Peyton Manning's preparation, Drew Brees' resiliency, Tim Tebow's work ethic, and Jake Delhomme's leadership. That's right, I said Tebow and Delhomme in a sentence about greatness. Well Vick decided not to work that hard until after two years in prison and his 30th birthday. Cam has the physical tools to be an elite pocket passer, as good as any passer in the league, if he puts in the work. ANd he's only 21 years old. I'm not talking about working hard enough to be the starter. I mean, if you wanna be the best of all-time, you have to put in Jerry Rice like effort. I think Cam is already doing that.
His running is another factor altogether. If you look at Vick's best years, not including last year, they were his best years because of his legs. Cam will probably have one or two 100-yard rushing games a year. When you look at video highlights of John Elway and Steve Young, you always see a couple good runs in there - Young running without a helmet and Elway spinning in the air, and landing in the endzone in the Superbowl. Cam will have memorable runs every two or three games.
Then there is the talent around them. When you look at the greatest QBs since Dan Fouts, they've had serious talent around them. Manning had Marshall Faulk for a year, and then Edge James. Kurt Warner had Faulk, Holt, Bruce, and Orlando Pace. Montana had Rice, Roger Craig, and Hall of Famers on defense like Ronnie Lott. Cam is surrounded by talent. Cam coming to the Panthers reminds me of the anomaly that was the Spurs getting the 1st pick in the NBA lottery and picking Tim Duncan to play alongside David Robinson. We've talked about this before, but this is ridiculous. Cam Newton with Gross, Kalil, Shockey, Smitty, D-Will, Stew, Goodson, and Beason. Those are the primetime Pro Bowl guys. Then there's still Gettis, LaFell (listed by BR to be a breakout receiver in 2011), Wharton, Otah, CJ, TD, etc. You see where this is going. It's almost unfair to add Cam. This team is more talented, IMO, on every aspect of the team than the 2008 team that went 12-4.
The only thing missing just hasn't happened yet, and that's winning. We've made predictions about this upcoming year, and how Cam will play as a rookie. But we know that however he plays, if he continues to work, he'll get better. And the winning in Carolina is inevitable.
After the winning comes the awards. Tell me you don't see some NFL MVPs in his future. That's what I thought. Imagine Cam running for 115 yards a 2 TDs, and throwing for 250 yards and 2 TDs, in the Superbowl. It's more likely than you think.
So I think Cam is a guy who throws like Rothlisberger, Freeman, and Culpepper. He'll have some 3500 yards, 3o TD seasons. Culpepper once had 10 rushing TDs in one year. Cam will average about 3,000 yds passing, 25 TDs, and 700 yards rushing and 8 TDs a season for about 10 years before he starts to slow down. So if he retires with 40,000 yards passing, 300 TDs, 8,000 yards rushing and 50 TDs, and has three or four NFL MVPs and at least 2 Superbowl MVPs, would that be enough to call him the greatest of all-time?
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Wanna go ahead and get his HoF jacket ready?
It’s one thing to anticipate what he can do, it’s another to suggest a player that hasn’t taken a single pro snap should be considered GOAT.
Lets all take a step back and put down the teenage-crush displays, and let the man do something before we start going down any roads. While we have plenty of things to hash about Cam, his unknown potential has the least amount of evidence for either side to debate.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.
really?
I never suggested he should be considered the GOAT. I said that he has all the tools to be that good, and he can choose to be that good, or just do enough to get by. I think he’ll have agreat career, but no one has suggested he’s already a great NFL QB.
No, he's a Panther.
Just like Pickles last year, I don’t think Cam has ‘it’ for the game. I was right last year and was lambasted by all for stating my opinion.
On this board his past collegiate (or anyone’s) affiliations mean nothing, or else I would need to burn my Stephen Davis jersey.
I’m just tired of reading how great Cam is when he’s not even played a down in the league. Lets get some reps under center before we start saying how great Cam is.
…oh, and there are plenty of places on the SBN platform to vent any biases I have about Cam. But those are all collegiately directed.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 6, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He just missed the obvious.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 6, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow Gaines you are getting ahead of yourself it would seem
But then again such are things in these dark times called the lock out.
+1
It would be different if I could talk about his contract in real life, or ask who’s gonna be at training camp this year to give the rest of us updates. That is some real news right there…training camp. Hope we have one this year.
Sorry, but you lost me when you said he will probably have 1 or 2 100 yard rushing game a year.
I really don’t see that happening and should he try to run that much I see his career as being dramatically shorter than you are subscribing to.
lol
I did the same thing, I thought I was slow. I feel better now :)
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jul 6, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
It's too soon.
Cam has a unique skillset that we’ve yet to see. He could be unlike any QB before him, or he could be just like the hundreds who haven’t panned out. We don’t have a clue yet. This post also smacks of a little bit of homerism. I think we are a very talented team, and if Cam and the coaching staff pan out we’ll be very dangerous for a long time, but Goodson, Gettis, Shockey, and LaFell as Pro Bowlers? Solid role players maybe, but not elite players, yet. This is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about with regards to Cam’s expectations. He has an adjustment period coming, let’s not kill him with expectations like we have past QB’s.
Yes I'm a dude.
People. Its a hypothetical situation that Usana is laying out.
He’s not saying that its going to happen. He’s asking a question.
Yes. If Cam finished an NFL career in the top 15-20 in many passing categories and was tops on the list of rushing yards and TDs by a QB and finished with a ring or two he would be one of maybe a handful of players in the discussion for GOAT.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
…then I wish he would change the title and add a “?” at the end. That would eliminate all this fuss.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.
by AlabamaJammer on Jul 6, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Talking about Cam being the greatest of all time
while comparing him to Culpepper. Not a great idea. Culpepper had the best tandem of WR’s the league had ever seen in Moss and C Carter, he also had the Robert Smith who led the NLF in rushing in 98. Oh yeah and I think he had like three pro bowlers on his offensive line…
Childress gone, TJack gone, new stadium on the way: it's like that Christmas when Santa brought prostitutes!
Cam will be the G.O.A.T.
See there I’m a Fan having a opinion in a boring offseason! Amazing huh? I also think our team can be close to what that 98 Viking team was. After Grime brought it to my attention I thought. If we can keep Smitty and bring in a deep threat. If Otah can come back with a full bill of health and be as good as before or better, than we may have three Pro-Bowlers. Re-sign D-will, him couple with Stewie will be mo’better than Robert Smith and Co. Then we may can mirror that team. Vikings were awesome and at that time, Culpepper was on his way to glory. People can knock him, but he was a three time Pro-Bowler who also holds the single-season record for most total yardage produced by a quarterback in NFL history (5,123, Wiki is the resource). He had a serious knee injury and that derailed his career. That happen with Kerry Collins when he got hit by Romanowski. So a Panther fan should be able to relate as far as a player doing good then bad because of injury.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on Jul 8, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions

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