McNabb could be the right fit at a low price for the Panthers
by James Dator on Jul 5, 2011 9:56 AM EDT
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Here at CSR we've spent more than a fair amount of time discussing and postulating the veteran QB position. As good as these conversations are, they're very difficult to project without knowing what a new CBA will look like. However, Jason Reid of the Washington Post (via National Football Post) says the price for McNabb on the open market could be rock bottom:
it would still be surprising if any team offered more than a sixth- or conditional seventh-round pick for him.
If this truly the market value for Donovan McNabb then can the Carolina Panthers afford to say no?
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The concern with McNabb has remained constant throughout this process, that he doesn't have a good grasp on what his role is in the NFL now. Unlike some players who are willing to age gracefully, McNabb seems to have more Brett Favre in him and less Jon Kitna. Ultimately, this could lead to some challenges for the Panthers should they decide to start Cam Newton over Donovan McNabb, especially if Newton struggles early.
It's a risk to be sure, but in terms of the current veteran QB market there's nobody with as much potential to start as Donovan McNabb. What remains to be seen is if he can handle what his role would be in the modern NFL.
Let's assume the price for McNabb is a 7th round pick, that improves to a 6th round pick if he takes 40% of the snaps in 2011. Based on this condition would you advocate the Panthers trading for the Redskins' QB?
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I just don't see him embracing a back-up role
He still wants to be the man. I don’t think there’s room for two roosters in the hen house.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
I love McNabb (no Homo)
But he has a huge contract that would probably come with him, he wants to be the starter, and his skills have diminished somewhat. I can’t see him coming here or even wanting to. McNabb’s future is likely w/the Vikings. He can start therfe fore 2-3 yrs while Ponder comes along.
Wow
For that low I say we should scoop him up. Cam does needs a mentor, who knows maybe are offense fits McNabb better than Washingtons offense did
by rscott94 on Jul 5, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I say do it
He was a great player and has seen it all in his time in the league. He would be a great mentor for Cam if he embraces that role or he would at least give some quality competition for the strting job if he doesn’t. It would be cool to see McNabb in Carolina Blue and for once we would be bringing someone in who could keep their old number without it being a big deal.
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
So you want a WCO QB who wants to start
Is that the best we can do regarding getting a mentor for our young QBs? I wouldn’t give any pick for him. I wouldn’t even sign him off the FA trash heap.
Think about McNabb and the past few years. How could what he brings be good for our locker room? Consider how it worked out for Washington last year. He’ll generate nothing but drama in Carolina.
I think the drama was just as much Shanahan as McNabb
Grant he did his fair share I just can’t lay all the blame on one man. Also he may come to Carolina to reinvent himself like Moss did in New England.
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
McNabb is a Pro's Pro
He carries himself well and I don’t think he created any drama in DC…I don’t want him b/c he would be a distraction and end up wanting tooo much $. BTW what’s WCO?
West Coast Offense
Although I do not know why it’s called that, Kinda like I don’t know why they have a tampa 2 defense. Why is it called tampa and if we were actually in tampa would we call it a tampa 2 defense or just a 2 defense. I just kidding I know they just call it a 2 LOL.
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
It’s called the West Coast Offense because it was created by Bill Walsh in San Francisco, and Bill Parcells made fun of it calling it “That West Coast Offense”.
The Tampa 2 is called the Tampa 2 because Tony Dungy and Monte Kiffin created it in Tampa Bay.
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If you are serious, go get you a copy of "Blood, Sweat and Chalk"
It goes over the origins and lineage of the major offensive and defensive schemes.
I play Madden from time to time, and never could figure out why the “46” defense was supposed to be such a special deal – I got burned all the time. Turns out that the pressure is supposed to come from the middle, and I was always shifting the D-line and linbackers to attack the edge like I normally do. I was defeating the whole purpose of the scheme.
by panthersnbraves on Jul 5, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point on the WCO
It remains to be seen whether the guy can get the ball down the field on a consistent basis anymore. While we have an Eagles coach on the roster, our offense is most certainly not similar to that of the Eagles, at all.
I second that emotion on all kinds of levels, for all kinds of reasons!
I really don’t think McNabb is NOT worth one of OUR 7th round picks!! Look at the track record of the the parties involved… McNabb is leaving becuse HE THINKS he is still a starting claiber QB, but we all know otherwise. One of the more recent knocks on him is that he has a problem wearing a wrist band cause it offends him (makes him look like he can’t remember the playbook?) Really ?!??! And someone thinks its wise to put him in a offense with one of the largest playbooks in the league (said to be 900 pages)! Second, He doesn’t perfom well in the crunch and that a FACT, check out ANY BIG game in his career. In the biggest game of his career, he flat out choked (he was so scared he started to vomit DURING the game!). As a matter of fact He should be happy that he only had to deal with an unhappy T.O. during the Super bowl fallout! If he had a had to deal with a reciever like say ummmm, Steve Smith; how long do you think it would take for Steve to BREAK HIS JAW? (Honest question) He has a history of not gettig along with his best recievers, and our guys are too young to have to deal with a pre madonna this early in thier career. As previously stated He is a west coast QB (and not a good one either) and we are supposed to have a Virtical Offense next year, so explain why someone would want a inaccurate, slow,and stubborn to be QB! Now I hate the Eagles more than most people, but Andy Reid is a miricle worker with QB’s and he gave up on him so, why do we want Washington’s garbage (Shannahan is not bad with QB’s either)? He proved last year that he was a product of Andy Reid’s system and not the other way around!
Now look at Hurnley, do you really want to take away one of the MONEY picks? Hurnley might be a litle confused come second round in the draft, but come round 4,5,6,7 Hurnley earns is pay check. I have liked his seventh round picks a lot more than is 2nd round pick (exclude Lafell) recently. I could be wrong but it seems like we also get more production out of seventh rounders than our recent 2nd rounders. So short answer Awwww Helllllll No.
lmao @ "pre madonna"
I definitely think we should go another route. Are there any FA veterans available that could be considered ‘post madonna’? Maybe we could get us a pre-Brittany or perhaps an ante-Gaga.
/sarcasm
I voted no, but....
It’s not because I think McNabb is washed up or anything. The problem is, there’s only so many roster spots and currently, we have a boatload of QBs already on the team. Currently we have Newton, Clausen. and Pike, with Moore still hanging around. If you add McNabb, who do you send packing? Or are we gonna carry 5 QBs?
The other thing that has me concerned over McNabb is his apparent lack of motivation. He was benched in Philly and Washington for it. Call it what you want, but Shanahan wouldn’t have benched McNabb for Rex freaking Grossman if he really thought McNabb was putting 110% into his preparations. He even inferred that McNabb was too cardio-vascularly out of shape mid way through the season to run a 2 minute drill.
I don’t think that’s the mentor we need to have Cam Newton learning from. Sorry.
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 5, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
Mentoring is overrated
Long time reader first time poster. lol. Neither Ryan, Flacco, Sanchez, Aikman, Manning, Brady, Vick, Warner,Cutler or Rodgers (unless you believe in mentoring by osmosis) had mentors.
by doncarolina on Jul 5, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for contributing, we need fresh ideas around here, LOL
I agree completely. I know there are certain circumstances in which a player who has been- there-done-that can relay some insight to a young QB, but other than that, I don’t see the need.
Coach Shula was hired to teach the QBs on this team how to effectively run this offense. McNabb isn’t going to do that. I think Shula and Chudzinski can develop Cam and Clausen just fine without bringing in a “mentor”.
Personnally, I’d like to see the Panthers bring in a starter-caliber QB to run the offense for a season or two. I’f like to see Cam and Jimmy ride the pine for at least a season. I know it won’t happen, though. Either Jimmy or Cam will be starting on day one, I’m pretty sure.
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 5, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Cam is the #1 overall pick and reportedly already knows 90% of the playbook
He will be starting week 1
To be honest it really is
You can either play or you can’t play..No inbetween. No amount of time sitting on the bench is going to prepare you what you will see on the field…
Sooo me, Cam, Ron, Marty, Don, Chud, Sean, Mike and Jerry are going out to have some Cammy Cam juice... Who's coming?
Brady had Bledsoe around and Cutler had Plummer
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by KaiserBromley on Jul 5, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
and rodgers had umm who was it...oh yeah the best qb ever statistically Brett favre
Also lol i was gonna say plummer mentored cutler etc. you beat me to it
by rustysurfer5 on Jul 5, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I left Rodgers out
because I don’t know how much mentoring Brett Favre actually did.
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by KaiserBromley on Jul 6, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't Rodgers brought up behind Brett Favre?
I’m sure he showed him a thing or two…
by pantherdiehard on Jul 7, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry page moved
this was a response to another post obviously
by pantherdiehard on Jul 7, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
McNabb isn't the solution anymore, he's the last piece
Donovan can’t carry a team anymore. He needs the o-line, RBs, and the WRs around him to be successful. He can still throw the rock, he just needs the team around him to win. That’s why he wouldnt be successful here. We need a QB to go out and win us a game. McNabb will end up in Minnesota and take them to a wild card spot, mark my words. He wouldn’t be able to do that here.
by Scotch on the Prowl on Jul 5, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I initially voted yes
But I am reminded of Culpepper/Stafford…
Not that Stafford turned out bad, but just that Detroit got very little out of their investment in Culpepper.
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Only if he was fully, 100% satisfied to being a veteran backup.
If not, no thanks.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I would support such a move, but with conditions.
If the media hype can be believed, ((I’m highly critical of the local media in our area.)) Then Cam Newton seems like he’s going to be ready to start from Day 1. If that is the case, we don’t need McNabb running around going “I still got the talent to start LOLOL!” And refusing to teach Newton anything. If we are going for someone like a pure mentor and a leader that can help this team, I’d rather have Delhomme, the best leader in our team history.
On that thought, why don’t we just fire everyone and have a depth chart of Newton, McNabb, and Delhomme? Why not?
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I think McNabb would mentor
he did wonders for Mike Vic
Well if you consider teaching a 30 year old man how to play football then yes, I suppose so.
Can he be a Jedi Master to the youngling though? :p
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How much would he get paid?
We may only need to give up a 6th rounder for him, but I don’t think he’d restructure his contract. So we overpay him for one year, and he’s gone, and we’re minus a draft pick. It depends on how much money he wants. I think if he’s playing poorly, he’ll accept that he’s being benched. He knows that a number one pick with Cam’s skills and ability is not the same as being benched for Rex Grossman. But I over the next 3-5 years, I’d rather have Pike than McNabb. I’d trade Clausen for McNabb straight up, though.
First of all who says McNabb will come here?
Minnesota and Arizona immediately come to mind as more desirable fits, and there’s plenty of teams who have concerns about their own QB sitution who would kick the tires like Cincinnati, Oakland, and Miami. He’s got more of a chance to start there than here, and he knows that. So if he doesn’t have the right attitude to be a backup, there are only two reasons we’d bring him in. He’s talented enough to lead us to wins, and he could show Cam a few things about being QB in this league. Well I doubt he’s the mentoring type, and honestly I think he’d be about as effective as Cam at this point in his career. His accuracy has always been suspect, his arm will only get worse with age, and he’s getting older and slower. Obviously he has a big advantage reading coverages and in experience, but we’d be better served getting Cam some experience at some point in the season. We need a vet who can start until Cam is ready to take the field, which will happen at some point next year I guarantee it. And how do you think McNabb will react to being relegated to second string for the second time in as many seasons? It’s not a good fit and I doubt it happens.
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Anything is possible...
however, I could more likely see Matt Moore as our starter week 1 (whenever that may be).
I voted yes
because that would be a good deal for the Panthers. Get Mcnabb for a 7th, let him start the first 3 games. If he isn’t playing well, then Cam can see how to act when the team is down, he can learn how Mcnabb tries to keep the team motivated. If he plays well, then let him keep playing & let Cam learn on the bench until Mcnabb messes up. I think i read that Smith was wanting more vet players on the team a while back, that would help that problem too.
I still think Billy Volek is the answer (in the short term)
He has a grasp of the offense, knows Chudzinski and Rivera, and has been very comfortable in the backup role. If Marty offers him a starting gig to start the season, I think Volek would be on board. That would give Cam/Clausen/Moore enough time to study defenses and nuances in the offensive playbook that would help them once they are put into the starting role.
I understand that Volek hasn’t started a lot during his career, but when he did start, he made the best of his chances. I wouldn’t go so far as to call him a “starter-caliber” QB, but he could fill the hole until Cam/Clausen/Moore is ready.
But then again, I do remember hearing that the Panthers aren’t really interested in Volek. When both the head coach and the OC know him intimately and don’t seem too interested, maybe he’s not the best candidate after all.
At this point, I’m just ready to get this thing started. I hate this labor B.S.!
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 5, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
Apparently the Panthers have no interest in Volek.
He’s had some clashes with coaches in the past, so perhaps that’s part of a reason why. I agree he seems like a perfect fit, he’d be my #1 target if I were Hurney. One guy I think is also very likely to be brought in is Derek Anderson. He knows Chud’s scheme and has had success in it in the past. He’d also understand his role as a backup/seat warmer for Cam.
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by Flowing Willow on Jul 5, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
McNabb is determined to be a starter for the next few years
. He has the arm, and the instinct but needs the system to be right in order to help him. The guy was nothing but a class act in Philly, and benefits greatly from the system there and the familiarity with it. Last year he went from a coach that was his best friend to one that is dictator who does not want deviation from his plan. There was little doubt there would be fur flying when two Alphas came together.
McNabb could be a great mentor, likely on of the best, however it will likely before a team that is look for him to fulfill that role. If he has another bad year of play then I think that he, as the intelligent man his is, may see that he is not the player he once was. The man wants the chance though to prove he can lead a team to a SB. As much as I would take him in a heart beat over Moore or any other veteran on the market it is hard to see him a rebuilding team helping to teeth a rookie.
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Voted no.... without reading the entire blog.
Before Newton was drafted, I thought McNabb would have beeen a good addition. He could have started while Clausen observed. We wouldn’t have to worry about him choking in a big game (or do gayboy dances in the tunnel before said games) because the Panthers aren’t likely to be in one. But he would have been an improvement over the other QBs on the roster.
Not now, though. Some of the points why have already been stated. The Panthers don’t run a WCO, the QB roster is crowded already, and McNabb almost certainly sees himself as a long-term starter. That’s the key problem. I’m sure the Panthers want to get Cam on the field.
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Dante Culpepper take two. Now 5 years ago maybe but Jake was doing us good at that time so im just gonna flat out say no. Shanahan is a good coach he wouldn’t bench his starting QB for no reason he was clearly sending a message to Donovan(try harder maybe?). its just not the right move for us at this moment for our franchise we need to focus on our young players. and make sure they work hard and get our fundamentals down so we can progress into an efficient football team. just no to Donovan right now not the right move.
how about Dante as a mentor?
I think Culpepper could be as good of a mentor to Cam than McNabb. If McNabb wants to play for another 3 years he will want to start another 3 years. He wouldn’t been in a hurry to show Cam how to take his job in the middle of the season. Dante and Cam could both come out winners in this arrangement. The Panthers already took Dante out once and it shouldn’t be hard to take him out again when Cam is ready.
by Jason Williams54 on Jul 6, 2011 8:38 AM EDT reply actions
Heck no.
Dante is a head case, I do not want him anywhere near Cam.
Weinke, come here boy!
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by Flowing Willow on Jul 6, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
James you got a shout out on Epsn.com in the Panthers news section nice.
Congratulation you may have just planted the seed of trade rumors lol.
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Bring in Brett Favre. Pay him $14M a year plus incentives. Make John Kasay give him #4.
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