Interpreting Jerry Richardson saying Panthers will be 'aggressive' in free agency
by James Dator on Jul 22, 2011 9:27 AM EDT
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Last night, Gaston Gazette's Steve Reed tweeted that, per Jerry Richardson, the Panthers will be 'aggressive' in free agency. While this shouldn't really surprise anyone based on what we've heard, it's nice to hear it directly from the Big Cat's mouth. It's important to measure one's excitement when hearing this news. It's easy to get carried away with images of Sidney Rice catching TD passes and Nnamdi Asomugha shutting down corners, all while wearing the black and electric blue, but the reality is that 'aggressive' to fans, and 'aggressive' to the front office are very different things.
Yes, Richardson did say the Panthers would try to sign players from other teams, but it's not realistic to thing we'll be dabbling in the AAA players, and if Carolina does then it will be because they lost significant players they tried to resign. The modus operandi of the organization is to try and retain the talent you have, before trying to drink from someone else's well.
After the jump we'll look at five ways the Carolina Panthers will be 'aggressive' in free agency.
1. Offering Charles Johnson a fair deal
- The Panthers will spend, they just wont overspend. With no player is this more prevalent than DE Charles Johnson. Despite having a breakout 2010 season, he's still just settling in as an NFL starter. Should another team choose to pay Johnson like a top 5 DE, the Panthers will let them and look for help elsewhere. That being said, they will offer CJ a competitive, fair deal based on his production- just as they did with Julius Peppers last year.
2. Locking up Ryan Kalil long term
- After trying to sign Charles Johnson, the Panthers' next highest priority will be to sign Pro Bowl C Ryan Kalil to a long term contract. Any time you have a proven player who is in the top 2-3 players at his position then you need to secure their services for a long time. Kalil likes Carolina, the Panthers like Kalil... it just makes sense. Just as the New York Jets insured their future by signing Nick Mangold to a long term deal after franchising him last year, the Panthers will do the same with Kalil.
3. Keeping strengths strong
- The two deepest positions for the Carolina Panthers (who are admittedly thing in other areas) are at running back and linebacker. As such, the third priority of the Panthers will be to try and bring DeAngelo Williams and James Anderson into the fold. Ideally they'll find a way to bring back both, but in reality this is probably going to be an either/or proposition, and the Panthers will let the market dictate the value. In the same vein as Charles Johnson, the Panthers wont overpay.
4. Bring some mid-level depth to weak positions
- As it stands the two weakest positions for the Carolina Panthers are at defensive tackle and cornerback. Unless they lose one of their own free agents it's unlikely they would offer a deal to Johnathan Joseph, Ike Taylor or the aforementioned Nnamdi Asomugha, but defensive tackle represents an area where mid-level players and needs coincide. We've talked a lot about Brandon Mebane on CSR, and he will likely be a target of the Panthers. If everything goes according to plan with their own free agents, expect the team to pursue a CB like Brandon Carr (formerly of the Chiefs) or Josh Wilson of the Ravens. Both players are younger options than the top guys, and can be had for less money.
5. Begin the negotiations with Jon Beason
- The last thing the Carolina Panthers want is for the history of Julius Peppers, Charles Johnson and DeAngelo Williams to repeat with their team captain. The final stage of the offseason will be to begin working out the terms of a new deal with Beason, and should the Panthers still be under the cap floor then we could see them extend Beason early, and have some of his signing bonus apply towards this year's cap.
Outlook
When it's all said and done 'aggressive' in this case applies to making sure your house is in order, and doing what it takes to achieve that goal. The Carolina Panthers will try to retain all their drafted players before looking outside the organization, and when that happens it's unlikely they'll make the kind of splashes that raise the needle around the NFL. A few prudent decisions this offseason will shape the long term future of this organization, and ensure we don't see the same cap issues that forced the Panthers to jettison their veterans in 2010.
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James, I agree with you probably 90% of the time
but this ain’t one of them. I fully expect Hurney to make a big splash in the FA market. The Big Cat isn’t going to say anything to get the fanbase excited without a plan to back it up. I think Hurney and Rivera have been really studying the current players, the teams own FAs, and they have also been looking at what current free agents they can bring in to “right the ship”. Remember, teams were not allowed to speak to players, but there was no provision against teams talking to agents. I would be surprised if most teams and agents haven’t already drawn upo several contracts and are just waiting for the “green light”, as Mr. Richardson put it.
I don’t know who they have in mind, but I don’t think mid-level players are going to fit the bill this season.
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 22, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
One thing I noticed is he said we were definitely going to target our own.
That means Johnson, Davis, Anderson, and Williams should all be back. We’ve got plenty of money, I think we can make it happen. Not to mention Richardson has a huge negative perception to deal with. Saying “we’re going to go wide open”, then letting 2 of your best players get away is really going to hurt the team’s support.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Jul 22, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the more interesting thing Jerry said
Was that bit about 50% of rookies not panning out. He said that because of that, the team would spend more money on veteran players. I don’t know if this was more a comment about the rookie wage scale that was misinterpreted, but if not then it sounds like we’re going to add some veteran FAs who would obviously be from other teams.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Get ready folks
I for one think we will be in the market for Brent Grimes. I don’t think Charles Johnson wants to stay in Carolina honestly, so even if we offered him a fair deal, I doubt it’ll sway him. We won’t pick up Ray Edwards because Edwards should have better numbers considering he bookended Jared Allen, yet he was quite frankly mediocre. That said I see free agency playing out like this.
CB: Brent Grimes
QB: Donovan McNabb or Matt Moore
RB: Williams will be back
DT: Gonna be a Bear…count on it
DE: Mark Anderson
LB; James Anderson definitely will be back
SS: Eric Weddle. I think Godfrey works best for dime and nickel situations
You make a good point with Brent Grimes and Weddle
If you get Weddle, would that allow for Godfrey to move to CB? I am really high on Jordan Pugh. This might even save more money as it would allow the Panthers to overspend on a DB.
by stnecldcr8z on Jul 22, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
excuse me, would not allow the Panthers to overspend on a DB.
by stnecldcr8z on Jul 22, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think they look at McNabb at all.
Why would they want him? He did nothing his last few seasons that i can remember.
There is no other QB in the league that reminds one of Cam Newton than McNabb in his prime. In addition, the last few seasons what has McNabb had to work with? McNabb would be the perfect mentor for Newton, and help Newton understand the value of staying the pocket as opposed to an escapist mentality.
except McNabb doesn't want to be a Mentor.
He wants to be the “Guy” (i.e. starter). I see him going to Miami.
Totally agree.
If the goal is to mentor Cam, the right man for the job is McNabb.
Whether or not he’s willing to be a mentor is a different story, but he’s the right man for the job.
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The more I think about it the more I think he wouldn't have to be a mentor.
He could just do his thing and let Cam watch. He can ask Shula and Chud any questions he’d have.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jul 22, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Or he could just let Jimmy take notes, and then steal them and claim them as his own. ;-)
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Or steal his laptop and get them that way
too soon?
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Never.
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C'mon guys...
He’d pay tree fiddy for the notes, haha!
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
by Panther4Life!!! on Jul 22, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
McNabb sucked last year in Washington....
and being in the DC, I got to watch it all in its glory; I don’t know what happened to him, but he couldn’t complete a pass under 20 yards to save his life, and his decision making was subpar at best (with an average supporting cast; not good, but not all bad)
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by Tomthehomer on Jul 22, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Forgive me, but I don't understand the Bulger love.
His last 4 seasons as a starter in STL, he was sacked 144 times. Towards the end of that run, he looked shell-shocked. He looked Jimmified. I don’t think I can handle watching another QB play scared.
During each of his last three seasons as a starter in STL, he threw more INTS than TDs. His QB rating in those seasons was 70, 71 and 70, respectively.
The Ravens paid him $4.25M for one season last year (more than Flacco). So he is going to expect something similar to that. I’m sorry, but he looked old and done in his last season in STL, and that was three seasons ago. For that kind of money we could sign two starters on defense.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Even the least attractive girl looks attractive at a sausagefest
That’s the situation with Bulger. With Collins retiring, and Palmer and Hasselbeck threatening to retire there are more teams who need veteran QBs than veterans to fill those roles.
He’ll get a big payday because of it too. As time goes on I’m becoming more inclined to think they’ll resign Matt Moore before they’ll look outside the organization.
by James Dator on Jul 22, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
Yes. Been there before (at said sausagefest).
And I like hearing you say that about Moore…I’ve been in favor of that for some time.
No doubt Bulger will get his money…I’m just not sure that it would be money well spent. Sure, in all likelihood he’ll sign a one-year deal, so it won’t have long-term affects, but I’ll be willing to bet that if he has to play, even a one year deal at $4M+ will immediately look like a mistake.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
You mean you were that ugly girl at a sausagefest?
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jul 22, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
I think it was actually a sword fight, but still.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
This, coming from aguy who calls himself "Mr. Sticky"
lol
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 22, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Remind me never to stay in your cabin.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Reminds me of a great joke about camping...
I’ll give you the PG-13 version:
If you woke up in the middle of the woods bent over a log with no pants on, would you tell anyone.
(After some painful deliberation, most people would say “no.”)
After their response, you ask, “Do you want to go camping?”
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
LOL
Camping? I love camping…
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Nice.
That’s probably what Baldwin is saying to Sandler—verbatim.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
That’s one of my favorite SNL skits…funny stuff.
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I can’t stop laughing at Sandler’s face.
That’s the “Waterboy” face for sure.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
In case you've never seen the skit...
http://www.hulu.com/watch/18883/saturday-night-live-canteen-boy-and-the-scoutmaster
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W.O.W.
Now I’m disappointed that it took me this long to see it.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I'm actually shocked you've never seen it.
It’s among Sandler’s best ever.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Speaking of Moore...
Has anyone heard anything about his recovery and if his arm strength has been tested?
You don't understand
The role of this veteran QB would be as a mentor. That’s all. He would be 3rd on the depth chart and would only actually see the field if Cam and Jimmy both go down with injuries. We don’t need a veteran QB capable of winning games, we need a veteran QB capable of showing our young QB’s how to win games. They don’t necessarily go hand in hand. Virtuosos make terrible mentors.
I don't understand?
I perfectly understand that what you describe is the exact job-description of a QB coach.
How many voices does the kid need in his ear?
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Sorry btw
I didn’t mean to sound demeaning with the you don’t understand part. I just know that this veteran QB that we bring in is not going to have a shot to rise any higher than 3rd on the depth chart. So his mentoring capabilities will be much more important than his playing capabilities. Which is why I think Bulger would be a better option than Jake.
That's the problem with written text.
90% of the context is lost. But no problem.
If we wanted to add a player like that, I just think we could find one who wouldn’t command more than $4M a season.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
That is true
If Bulger can get 4M it won’t be with Carolina
That’s how much he made last year in Baltimore…he’s going to want the same this year, and someone else will pay him that much money to be a backup.
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I think he'll go to a good team who feels like they could still win with him if their starter went down
See Ravens, Baltimore.
If he doesn’t sign back with them the Ravens, then I’d expect him to go to the Giants, Chiefs or Bears, etc (good, defensive teams who could still win with a backup QB not named Todd Collins) .
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
No doesn’t work like that. Doesn’t work like than in ANY team. What team has a mentor QB that just languishes on the 3rd team? Even washed up players have more dignity than that. Also, Bulger wants to start and make some good money at that, so I don’t see how he fits better than Jake
Bulger may be a bad example
Considering he may find competition for a starting job elsewhere. Same with McNabb. I just feel like Jake is going to want to go to a place where he can at least compete. He won’t here.
What is the point of starting a mediocre veteran QB over Cam, Jimmy, or even Pike for that matter, when we’re probably not going to be competing for the playoffs this year???
Jimmy, Cam and Pike are not ready to play. The lockout has retarded alot of player growth this season. A veteran is your best chance at early victories. IF Richardson wants to put together the best team as quickly as possible, take it to the bank , that we’ll bring in a veteran QB
Giving the future of our franchise game experience is much more important than the 2 or 3 extra games a veteran QB might give us this year. In fact, all that would do is ensure we get a worse draft pick. Sorry man. If we’re gonna win, it’s gonna be with Cam or MAYBE Jimmy at the helm. Nobody else. (Injuries notwithstanding).
I don't know. I would prefer to just start Cam from day one.
Everyone is either in that same camp, or they are saying that Cam should sit and watch for 4-8 games.
I just don’t think you get any better watching. He’s going to go in and be successful or he’s going to go in and fail. Whether he sits there and watches for a few games or not will not have a bearing on that, IMO.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Yeah
I say start Cam if he can run the offense. If not, start Jimmy until Cam is up to speed. The only way I would vary from that plan is if for some inexplicable reason Jimmy starts the preseason and season gang busters and looks like a top 15 NFL QB. Doubtful.
my 'dream' is that
we start the season off with Jimmy and he plays lights out. Someone like Seattle trades some picks to us for him and then we start Newton the rest of the season. Once again, I will say this is my dream situation. Im not saying this will turn into a reality… lol
lol
Nice dream, but if he’s playing lights out enough to keep us in contention, he wouldn’t be traded until at least the offseason and Newton would never see the field. I doubt we need to worry about that though. ;-)
No, I don't think we do have to worry about that.
For Jimmy to have any real trade value (a 2nd round pick), he’d need to start throwing for 300 yards every game.
Not holding my breath.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
I dont see McNabb in Carolina
Nothing against him personally but the Redskins may want too much for a guy who struggled last year. I could be wrong, hell maybe McNabb will embrace being a mentor for Cam. If that happens, do we write Clausen off as trade bait?
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...sometimes you have to go against the grain.
by Disciple of Carolina on Jul 22, 2011 11:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Problem is that Clausen has 0 trade value right now
He would have to play, and play very well for that matter, to up his trade value.
You'd be surprised at how many teams would offer us something for him.
It won’t be near the 2nd round pick we used to get him, but a team in need of a QB will take a shot on him, possibly offering a conditional pick depending on how he turns out.
Remember…Cleveland got a 5th rounder AND Peyton Hillis from Denver for Brady Quinn. Any QB can be traded, especially one who only has on year under his belt. A team could buy into the theory that it was mostly the outside factors that caused Clausen to suck and would be willing to trade for him.
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Good post
I like it and I could see all the positives working out. I could see us signing CJ, Anderson, D-Will, TD and Kalil to long-term deals. Then I think we approach the DT position. The problem we have is the lack of OTAs and any contact between coaches and players. Some coaches have worked with their entire rosters before, but rookies coaches have only old game tapes. Either way, I would like to see one of the top 3 or 4 DTs in Carolina. There are a few good ones out there, so we shouldn’t have to overspend. The same is true with CB. I think we can bring in quality players for good prices without overspending. I’m looking forward to us winning a lot of games over the next few years.
I don’t know if we’ll sign TD to a long term deal until we can know for sure if his knee is going to hold up. Missing almost 2 whole seasons with an ACL injury is something that should prevent a long-term deal until we can see what he’s got left in the tank. I think we should sign him to a 2 year deal to give him an opportunity to earn a longer contract.
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If they even give him a 2 year deal
they should have a clause in it that they have the option for another 3 after that. I dont think you even sign him to 2 years unless you make it that you get him longer if he holds up. They have already paid him for 2 unproductive years in a row, well close to 2 anyway. I think if they sign him and he stays healthy, they should have the option to keep him under their terms after 2 years.
I'd sign him to a Dan Morgan contract...
5 years, $15 million.
Davis gets a $3 million bonus each year if he plays 80% of the snaps, extra $1 million a year for a probowl.
You end up paying at the least $3 million a year, which is low for a starter and if Davis can stay healthy his contract can be worth $30 million.
by James Dator on Jul 22, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a bad idea...
Because if Davis is healthy and plays like he played before the initial injury, he’s worth every penny of $6M per year.
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I hope someone that cares about these guys on a personal level speaks to CJ and D-Will
Historically speaking (with rare exceptions) veteran free agent defensive agents that had great seasons prior to free agency do not perform well on a new team. It just doesn’t happen often. So for CJ’s sake I hope he’s aware of that. Same goes for D-Will. NFL history is littered with high-value veteran free agent RBs that went on to do almost nothing with their new teams. (also with rare exceptions)
I understand sometimes it is not just about getting paid, it can be about going home, caring more about winning than individual success… But if any part of their decision making is continued success, hopefully they’ll look at the odds.
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
Hmmm, no WR's?
No one is mentioning us signing any WR’s over the offseason. I understand that we have a lot of young somewhat promising players at the position, but if Steve Smith leaves, I feel like it would behoove the Panthers to give Cam Newton a veteran release valve outside of Shockey to rely upon. A la Mark Clayton with Joe Flacco or Heinz Ward with Big Ben.
"If Smith leaves" is the operative statement
Honestly, I think Smitty will be gone- but until we get something concrete on the topic I’m operating under the assumption he’ll still be here.
With Smith here there just isn’t any room for another WR on the roster.
by James Dator on Jul 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll stay.
TIFWIW.
"I don't know whatchu came to do...but IIIIIIIIIIIIII came to praise his name, yeyuss!!
~Reverend Brown, Coming to America
Fair enough
I’d love Smith to stay. He’s my favorite Panther ever. Although I believe Jerry still loves the guy, I think he’s worn out his welcome with the team.
Although Smitty is probably intrigued with the prospect of playing with Cam, I’m sure he’d prefer to play elsewhere. It’s hard for me to blame him.
My take...
It is against their M.O., but I think that they may pay a little more than fair market value for CJ (he’s just so young and so promising considering the lack of support he had on the line), especially if they’re looking at him possibly going to a division rival. I don’t know, it’s just a feeling. Maybe that feeling extends from the Shockey signing (not that it was a crazy flashy deal, but he’s not the kind of name that we’ve signed in the recent past) and making a splash with the Cam draft instead of trying to trade down or go with a “safe pick.” They may only offer fair market value if they think they have a very good chance at landing a comparable DE. We just have so little proven quality depth there, you have to try to keep CJ or be prepared with a killer Plan B. Of course, Rivera was in part hired because the FO was so impressed with how the guy thoroughly plans for every foreseeable scenario.
I agree that they are going to lock up Kalil and Beason long-term.
So far, it looks like Anderson is very likely to stay. The FO and coaching staff have expressed their desire to keep him, and he has shown no evasiveness or hesitance in saying that he loves Charlotte and wants to stay here. He made himself a core player last year, he’s still relatively young in LB terms, and he hasn’t been injury-riddled.
D-Will, on the other hand, I could not justify overpaying for if I were a GM. For me, his Pro Bowl nods and other such recognitions don’t override the fact that he’s a 28-year-old RB who apparently has the inability to play a single full season DESPITE the fact that he’s shared the load every single season. I’d offer what I would think would be fair market value for a 28-yr.-old RB who hasn’t played a single full season despite always splitting the load, but there’s no way I overpay when you have J-Stew sitting right there. Yes, everyone throws out the “practice” thing against the guy. But J-Stew is younger and has showed up to every single game in his career except for when he had a concussion (that’s not being “injury riddled”). It’s not D-Will hate, but there’s no way I’d give him a generous of a contract unless it’s filled from top to bottom with performance-based escalators/incentives.
Bring some mid-level depth to weak positions
I absolutely agree that this is probably what they’re going to do. They may try to sign one elite marquee player to a position of need, but they may not be able to lure such a player here (again, they’re not likely to overpay for someone). 99% chance that we don’t/can’t get Aso or someone like that. I think they will aggressively go after recognizable names, but not every-year Pro Bowl names.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
My bad...
I realized I didn’t give D-Will enough credit. Two out of five years he has played all 16 games. Fail on my part (I fail a lot). I still stand by the main point on D-Will, though. The dude needs to have a better attendance record.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
You can't really fault him for last year.
Fox was putting anyone with a hangnail on IR.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Jul 22, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent strategy, James, very well presented (rec'd). Please fax it to the office of Marty Hurney.
The priorities and tactics you present echo my own precisely, except that I’m not sure what the price for Ike Taylor will be. I like the other two CBs (Carr and Wilson) you mentioned, but if Taylor is cheaper he may be a better option. But I’m quibbling, here.
The real curve-ball we don’t know about is what they’ve decided about Smitty (and I think the decision has been made). Trade scenarios bring could alter the plan a bit, but ultimately the end result should be the same.
Bringing back Moore as the vet QB makes so much more sense than wasting money on an over-priced-has-been. Cam should get the starter snaps through camp. We’ll no doubt start the season using a scaled down, “Camified” version of the playbook, giving him every chance to succeed.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
CB Brandon Carr Is A 3 Year RFA & Will Cost A 1st Round Pick
Unless I’m very mistaken (it wouldn’t be the 1st time), Chiefs CB Brandon Carr has only played 3 years, and is a RFA. The Chiefs placed a 1st round trender on Carr.
by PanthersRoar on Jul 22, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You, sir, are absolutely right and win 10 internets.
Chris Carr (Ravens) is a UFA.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
But my understanding is the RFA (transition) tags are gone in the new CBA.
That’s why we’re worried about Charles Johnson, for example. We tagged him at the 1st round level, but that doesn’t matter anymore
It's gone for 4-year guys, but I don't think they changed the rule for 3-year players.
I could be wrong, though.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Ike Taylor is not a good cornerback. He’d a good nickelback, but that’s it.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jul 22, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Taylor played against the opponent's #1 WR last year. He'd be even better as a #2 CB.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Yeah, but he played for Pittsburgh, who got exposed in the Super Bowl as a team whose pass rush covers up their bad secondary. The year before Ike Taylor was terrible as a starting corner. I don’t think anything’s changed since then.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jul 22, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm starting to think resigning D-Will would be a bad idea.
I really love the guy, but how many times have we seen running backs suddenly stop producing? Not to mention quality RBs can literally come out of nowhere (Ryan Grant, Peyton Hillis) it just seems like a bad use of resources re-signing him. Just a feeling I’m getting.
What happems if Stewy gets hurt?
You want to rely on Goodson and Sutton for the rest of the year, when you could’ve had D-Will? If we can sign him, we need to sign him, period.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 22, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Then we do the same thing everyone else does...rely on the backups.
We have too many needs to spend $6M+ on D-Will.
I love him too, but it’s time to let him go.
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You guys are crazy!
D-Will is gonna put up some massive yards this season somewhere. If it’s not carolina, I’ll be pissed. The man is FAR from being ready to hang’em up. He still remains a serious asset to this team.
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Having D-Will and J-Stew is a luxury, not a need.
However, having an interior defensive line is a need, and a desperate one at that.
And, I’m not crazy — my mother had me tested.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 22, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is a need
With our uncertainty at the QB position, lowering our chances at having a solid running game, at all, is a major detriment to returning this offense to respectability. The premier RBs can act as a crutch until we get the QB play worked out. If the run game falls out, we are in for some deep doo-doo.
We can't pay him what he's worth on the open market...
…because he won’t ever be a feature back, here. We have to hope he has an emotional connection with Charlotte, the team, the fans, and Stewie…and accept a contract that is commiserate with the workload he is given. It will lengthen his career (more years of getting paid), but requires he be paid less per season.
I want to see D-Will retire a Panther, but I won’t say a single negative word about him should he go to another team…he’s been a great Panther in anyway you could define it. It all depends on what he desires more: be a continuing part of a record setting RB tandem for 5 more years, or being the feature back on a team for aybe 3 years for more money?
I think if we were going to let go of DWill we would have played him last season
We put him on IR way to early for the mild injury he sustained in that terrible play for FG position. If we wanted to get all the value we could out of him while he was a Panther, we would have played him after 2-3 weeks. As we did not, it says to me that we were letting him heal completely so that he could try to shake the injury concerns that have plagued his time here. Look to see a reasonable contract floated to DWill from the Panthers. If Miami is willing to overpay for him, he might be gone. But I don’t think we are going to have to be having to come up with a new nickname for our RB tandem any time soon.
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What Jerry means is that he’s going to punch Drew Brees in the mouth during the 10 day free agency period. Possibly followed by Peyton Manning.
I bet you he would take you up on that.
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I was gonna go with the response “I expected the Rockies to be a little rockier than this”…but then I was like “Who the hell is Bob Denver?”….
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Isn't Bob Denver Gilligan?
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 22, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct sir. You have won 10 internets.
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YESSSS!
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on Jul 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, so it would have worked just the same?
Dammit! Then I retract the asterisked comment.
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