Panthers' DC Sean McDermott regarding player safety in 2010: "Nothing Changes"
by James Dator on Jul 2, 2011 4:00 PM EDT
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PrintMike Florio of Pro Football Talk put up this piece today claiming that Eagles DB Ellis Hobbs essentially said that current Panthers' defensive coordinator Sean McDermott told players to "ignore" the safety video the league distributed to players during the 2010 season to minimize on concussions. This was said in a film made by former player Dorsey Levens called "Bell Rung" detailing the lives of concussed players.
As you probably know, we here at CSR are hardly going to start a Mike Florio fan club. We take exception to the fact he has an innate ability to make mountains of molehills, and his extrapolations for the sake of sensationalism leave a lot to be desired. This is another of these occasions. We'll look more at his report...
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The main issue I take with the article is a huge jump Florio takes from McDermott talking about his player's attitude and turning it into a situation of McDermott telling his players to ignore the league's video. From the article Hobbs said:
"Not 10 minutes after that film, we went into the defensive meeting and the D coordinator [Sean McDermott] got up and said, ‘Nothing changes about us. Nothing changes in your guys' mentality. I mean, we all knew that anyway because we want jobs. I don't really see anybody with a job who can't tackle."
McDermott tells players not to let his video get in their heads, or change their mentality which Florio turns into:
Still, the fact that Hobbs would so candidly admit that the man in charge of the team's defense would essentially say "ignore what you just saw" is surprising.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't see these two as being congruous. McDermott is telling his players that he doesn't want them to be too concerned with how they hit that they change their games. I agree with this mentality 100%, when you stop playing the game the way you know so you can avoid a fine, then you are playing scared which will ultimately lead not only to more losses, but more injuries. I definitely don't see this is the former Eagles DC saying "keep hitting them in the head!" the way Mike Florio will have you believe.
Ultimately, I feel good about McDermott as a defensive coordinator, and like that he has a fiery 'never stop' attitude towards the game. What do you think?
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Mountain Mole hill. I dont think he is telling his guys notto be safe. he is just saying dont change your dna. Guys have been taught since childhood how to tackle. They need to keep that same focus.
"I have opinions of my own -- strong opinions -- but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." - Robert McCloskey
another example..
nothing to see here. only a fool would make this a story, exactly the type of guy Florio is..
If Ron Rivera were to mail a blitz without postage it would still get there.
So then, you think he was also foolish to say hard work would be a staple of Cam Newton's NFL career, right?
I mean surely you’re not saying he’s only foolish when talking bad about the Panthers right?
STEVE SMITH!
even fools get some things right, southtunnel...
…although I don’t think he a fool, just a shitty journalist with a sensationalist streak and a penchant for crafting conspiracy theories from limited information and creative inference.
But in suggesting bleys7 believes he’s even being foolish for obvious articles (thereby demeaning his position) is the same as Florio taking the illogical continuation of the safety video statement in disparaging McDermott. You’re using a Straw man.
You’re obviously bright and articulate…so why are you such a contrarian? Is it intentional to rouse debate?
No, I'm the middle ground between fan and reality
I mean think about it… You’re implying Florio is a fool, but when he says something positive about the Panthers he’s just happening to get it right. I see that as impossibile. Just happens that bringing it up here, frustrates those that would rather not accept the fact that their team like every other, isnt always perfect.
STEVE SMITH!
No...I stated, verbatim, "…although I don’t think he a fool" in the first line of the post
I was just quoting or paraphrasing an adage I heard a long time ago in the subject line. I thought it was a lighthearted and vaguely clever response for your post. I should have used a ;-) with it to further illustrate my intent.
and if you read further down, I more completely flesh out my opinion of this matter...
…and even agree with you that a lot of Panther supporters will only pay attention to the negative things Florio “reports (I happen to think he’s more of a commentator/editorialist than an actual reporter…but that’s neither here nor there).” However I think given the shear volume of his reports that have a negative slant, it’s a justifiable response response from the fan-base…even while I think you do bring up a salient point that he’ll never get credit for any positive/neutral story. I just thought the WAY you stated it in response to bleys7 was an unfair style of attack with questionable argumentative tactics.
Regardless, Florio is not exactly balanced in his positive to negative reporting ratio which implies either overt dislike or at least no respect for the Panthers, overall…but we also should take into consideration that he does post some fair pieces from time to time.
Yeah... Mike is just trying to get readers.
I read the article this mourning, and felt the same way, he wanted them to keep being agressive, make plays on the ball and ball carrier. Not creat big hits or illegal hits! Lol you can tell when its a slow time for football stories lol
by bird2jasun on Jul 2, 2011 4:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
IDK how he is going to get readers by riding this team’s jock all the time. If that is his reason, then he really is a complete idiot.
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
there was a poll conducted a long time ago...
…that the average fan who tuned into The Howard Stern show listened for an hour and 20 minutes. The average Howard hater? Over 2 hours. The same sort of thing happens with Rush Limbaugh (only I think he’s an arrogant, hypocritical, lying sack of wormy turds with no sense of decency…but I’m getting off the point). In both cases, haters tune in to get worked up into an angry lather as much as the fans who tune in to cheer them on.
So I think that’s actually relatively smart (and a proven marketing scheme), as it gets Florio and his employer more readers; hell, I never knew he existed ’til reading CSR.
Wikipedia on Florio and PFT (the guy's a joke)
ProFootballTalk posted and thus spread the unconfirmed rumor on January 25, 2007 that broadcaster and former Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw had died in a car accident. This proved to be incorrect.1
PFT reported that Philadelphia Eagles defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley may have been arrested on weapons charges, when he was stopped by a Port Authority Police Officer when crossing over a bridge from New Jersey to Pennsylvania. However, it was later confirmed by the “real media” that in fact Jabar Gaffney had been the one arrested and not Bunkley.8
A similar instance occurred on the September 14, 2009 when the crew of Profootballtalk.com erroneously reported a quote from Keyshawn Johnson in referring to Joe Flacco as a “bum”.9 A correction to this was posted on the September 15.
by Swamp Panther on Jul 2, 2011 5:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Boycott PFT, and the way Florio makes his living.
Or…as our own Sean McDermott would put it…ignore his ass.
Another attempt to smear the image of the Panthers. Pardon me, but does the guy get a thrill up his leg or something when he has a chance to say shit about our team? Seems like he gets a little to frisky whenever he has the chance to blow something way out of proportion.
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Yeah, like when just a few days ago he praised Cam Newton for already learning 90% of the Panther's offense?
Clearly he’s on a Panther smear campaign. :S
No, Florio has a bunch of leads that he gets fed rumors from, and then relays them to us. Some of the rumors rare better than others. But the way Panther fans want to crucify him for not always praising our team is sort of childish. Have some objectivity people!
STEVE SMITH!
Uh yeah, I base that off almost every time the guy talks shit about your fav player Steve Smith, or talking crap about our owner when he has no basis for anything that he says.
I don’t have a problem being objective; he does. And ST, I wouldn’t quite say he “praised” Newton at all in that article. The only thing he said that was even close to being a “nicety” was:
Though it remains to be seen whether the effort has any correlation to the actual coaching Newton will receive, the fact that he’s working so hard to prepare suggests that hard work will be a staple of his NFL career. And that’s good news for the Panthers.
Yeah, I wouldn’t call that praise man.
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My problem with Mike Florio is that he is a coward, a liar, and a girlyman.
When he trashed Steve Smith and refused to own up and face the man he trashed on radio on Mac Attack, he turned in his man card. He is not a journalist. He is nothing to me.
There are certain things that I, as a person, can forgive. But then again there are several unwritten rules of being a man that must never be broken. Some of us still believe in such things like honor, dignity, respect, and discipline. Writing utter filth about someone and then refusing to even talk to them about it is breaking the greatest manlaw of all: Owning your own mistakes.
Mike Florio is a girlyman.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
by Revshawn on Jul 3, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Totally rec'd, Rev
Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?
Seriously, how'd he refuse to own up?
Don’t mean to defend the guy… But I listen to Mac Attack. And him and Smitty have equally gone back and forth, and taken childish jabs at each other. But it’s Smitty that hasn’t talked much with the media recently. Florio’s on there every week.
STEVE SMITH!
I'll happily tell you why.
Mac Attack had both Steve Smith and Michael Florio on the same show, back to back. He had originally wanted to see if he could get both of them on the air at the same time and try to work their problems out. Michael Florio wouldn’t go with it though because he said that Steve Smith, and I quote: “Didn’t understand the importance of protecting his sources.” After he had trashed Steve Smith over the internet, he wasn’t willing to go to the man and say what he believed to his face, even over the phone.
If you aren’t going to defend your own story, what kind of writer are you? A stupid excuse like that just seems like a cowardly move to me. You can read the transcript of the chat via this link.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Of course Florio is wrong... I mean he's saying something negative about the Panthers
It’s only when he says something positive about the Panthers that we take him seriously… Or so I’ve observed.
I doubt any of us know enough about McDermott to say one way or the other. So instead of writing it off (the typical ignorant fan thing to do)… Why not ask some Philly fans, who are more familiar with McDermott?
STEVE SMITH!
And you make a good point, south...
…we should ask someone a little closer to the source what the players’ opinions were…not the reporter who is taking a few words and extrapolating to the degree Florio did.
And the sarcasm in this statement: Of course Florio is wrong… I mean he’s saying something negative about the Panthers, is a very solid and valid point. I think everyone should contemplate it…because it certainly occurs on CSR a lot.
I personally don’t read Florio directly, but I’ve read several of his statements on CSR and they ARE almost always negative personal thoughts about the team and players.I tend not to get caught up in the writer arguments that occur here, just because homers WILL often take negative comments about our team as the only thing that reporter says, because often they’ve read as much as I have.
But if a reporter has a history of speaking poorly on a subject, that shows a pattern of behavior and will naturally engender disdain from the supporters of the subject. Even though he/she will sometimes report fairly, it doesn’t take away the fact that the negative is far more noticeable, as it stirs the shit and gets a fan-base riled up and talking. And continually reading the journalist.
To be honest, the only comments the guy makes about our team are usually 98% negative. Hard to report positive things when the only things said are negative.
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Rumors are negative 98% of the time
And that’s what PFT is… Not facts, rumors believed to be true. I’ve never heard Florio suggest otherwise.
STEVE SMITH!
Anything negative about my beloved Panthers is just wrong!
I could care less if a negative statement is based in fact, to this diehard its just wrong. Anyone who supports said negativity is wrong. A former president made the statement “either with us or against us.” As a fan that’s how I stand. If anyone disagrees with me, they’re wrong too! Panther Pride, even if I have to plug my ears and say blah blah I can’t hear you! If you think that’s childish I’ll just take my ball and go home!
by DesertCat on Jul 3, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Don't care who wrote who wrote the piece,,,,the fact is you are correct James
Those two highlighted statements are indeed not congruous.
McDermott like most DC’s was only trying to keep the Eagles D playing with an edge.
I always remember Brian Dawkins saying how great defensive players are often those that can push the limits without going beyond them.
I also agree that playing scared will indeed lead to more injuries.
Regardless of whatever Florio has said in the past, this piece is garbage.
I don't know if playing scared will lead to more injuries, as that usually means players aren't sacrificing their bodies as much...
…but it will CERTAINLY lead to more losses.
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