The last 2 weeks of greatness, folks:
I even worked on Cowboy Stadium wearing my Panthers hardhat! In fact, there are more that a few mirrors that have "cowboys suck, Panthers rule" written on the back of them! Imagine those players primping in the locker room not knowing that some construction worker wrote Panther Pride on the back of it before sticking it to the wall!!!
Gross has been a solid foundation for our offense to build out from, embraces his leadership role, and continues to move forward with this team during tough times. Peppers, while dominant during his tenure as a Panther, never embraced a role as a leader and created the immense drama that eventually led to the destruction of our DLine. If Beason wasn’t around to lead our defense, there’s a good chance the drama would have had far more substantial repercussions.
While playmakers are valuable, the truth is that Peppers was just another guy doing his role, and pretty much filled his salary value. Gross, while not as superior a playmaker, has transcended his role and become a pillar of this team on and off the field. There are some things you can’t attach a stat to.
More Rec'd to Green comments after the jump...
I didn’t vote in the Peppers/Proehl match-up because of the disparity of physical talent. Here, Peppers still wins the physical talent contest, but Gross is a heck of a lot closer than Proehl, so I did vote here and voted for Gross.
I’m honestly trying to keep emotion out of this, although it may play some unconscious role. And I agree with the above that in a few years, the general vote would likely overwhelmingly be in support of Peppers. But I don’t think that my vote would change.
When you’re asking who’s the greatest Panther ever, I take physical ability/production and awards/accolades such as All-Pro and Pro Bowls into account, but I balance that with things such as:
- Who makes you proud to be a Panthers fan?
- What kind of leadership has he displayed?
- What impact has the player had on his team?
- What kind of teammate is he?
- What kind of respect does he have from his teammates?
- Who really puts his heart and motor into the game on every snap?
- What impact has he had on the community? Who embraces the community and appreciates what Panther fans have done for him?
- Who’s there for the team in crunchtime?
Peppers is a freakish athlete and one of the most talented people to ever play DE. But what was his OVERALL impact on the Panthers organization and on the Carolina community when you look at the big picture?
When Peppers is so highly regarded at his position, and Gross is also highly regarded, I have to take all of the things I listed above into account. And for me, it’s Gross, hands down.
I am beginning to see a pattern of new Panthers beating out old ones. This is not "who is the best athlete" or "who can take whom," but who is the greatest Panther. I think the Beast is awesome, but he has not even played half the games HOOOOVER has.
Hoover will be forever in Panther lore and a fan favorite for his 124yard (I Think it was 124 yard) game on Monday Night Football against Green Bay. That was pre-Fox I believe, that is how long the guy was around. What makes him great is not that he had the fastest forty but that he always showed up and cleared the holes for others to get the glory. I do not know how many times I heard "a great block by Hoover." As much as he is loved He is the most overlook player in panther history for most never realized just how crucial he was to our offence. I would say that he was very much like The original "Moose" FB Daryl Johnson for the Cowboys. Unlike Johnson however, who pretty much had one Hallfame running back to block for, Hoover broke holes for a great number of backs, from Tim Biackabatuca….(too lazy to look it up) Davis and Foster to Smash and Dash.
"Sir," he says with granite certainty, "it all comes down to whether a person wins or loses. I don’t bring race into the game, ‘cause then you’re talking about excuses. I. Hate. Excuses. Excuses are a disease."
A Peppers vs Smitty debate would have been pretty cool though. I voted for Smith. That is all.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
CJ’s talent is astounding. But if his Twitter account paints even a kinda-accurate picture, it’s becoming more and more difficult for me to like him. I appreciate the play, but my goodness, work on the attitude. I get being a competitor and wanting to win. And yeah, money is nice to have. But it’s not like he’s going to have to wait tables just to "get by" wherever he ends up playing.
I appreciate a player who shows loyalty to the team that drafted him. If only there were a few more Pat Tillmans. Someone who will pass on a bigger payday because loyalty means something. Someone who will leave the very lucrative job/game that he loves – trade in his jersey and helmet for camo – because he knows that there’s so much more to the world than winning football games. R.I.P. Pat Tillman.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Why couldn’t it be a kicker? If said kicker was always making clutch contributions in games and also giving back to the community, why couldn’t he be mentioned as best all time. Before these brackets even started many of you would talk about how great and clutch Kasay was(and still is!)…
And the notion that by having a kicker win GPOAT makes us a team in bad shape actually sickens me. Kasay is the only original Panther left on this team and for good reason. That bad kickoff was only one play, and though many can say that it cost us a Super Bowl, the same can be said of our defense that game. Where was the defense on that drive? The defense could have stopped them and gotten us the ball back or even forced it into over-time. But playing this game of "what ifs" leads us no where and really is a waste of time. The bottom line is that Kasay has always been clutch and is probably the most clutch player the Panthers have had in their short history. It’s not saying a lot, but how many teams wish they had a kicker of Kasay’s caliber and would still probably take him today? At the end of his career Kasay will surely be a player that we will all miss, and I don’t doubt that Beason will surpass Kasay’s importance to this team will be seen as the GPOAT for the Panthers… But for now at this moment in this franchises’ history, I’m not ashamed to see Kasay as our greatest Panther. We’ll be discussing this ten years from now and Maybe Cam or Beason will be regarded as such, but for now it’s a shame that someone like Kasay can’t be regarded in that light…
I for one hope he does win GPOAT at least for this go around. It’ll change in the coming years, but for now give Kasay the respect he deserves…
"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana
One play doesn’t lose a game, but one play can win a game.
If I was playing CB for the Panthers, the opposing team would have 100% reception rate which is only 28.7% (Marshal is at 71.3) more than Marshall.
Revis was 37.4% better than Marshall.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MARSHALL AND A FAT COMPUTER GEEK IS LESS THAN BETWEEN MARSHALL AND REVIS.
Let em walk…
They’re too busy working on their novel.
You know… "A tale of three cities"
"It was the most enjoyable of times, it was the least enjoyable of times…"
It shows all the personality and fire that we would associate with 89.